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Re: When Black Men Ruled Europe: The Moors Of Spain by Nobody: 2:49pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
SirShymexx: I'll tell you what I told the other guy. Go and read about Constantine. |
Re: When Black Men Ruled Europe: The Moors Of Spain by SirShymexx: 2:51pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
Radoillo: Lol. How about answer the two questions I posed to you? Dude, stick to Igbo history and stop jumping out of ya depth. |
Re: When Black Men Ruled Europe: The Moors Of Spain by cap28: 3:04pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
12ema:I hope you were being sarcastic 1 Like |
Re: When Black Men Ruled Europe: The Moors Of Spain by Nobody: 3:05pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
SirShymexx: You should have known by now I don't response to your childish ethnic taunts. First, Constantine was not baptised until he lay on his sick bed dying. Why? Second, even after he became pro-Christian, he still built and dedicated temples to the old Roman gods. Till he died he retained his title as the head of the pagan Roman priesthood. Constantinople which he built was studded with pagan idols, and it remained so at the time he was espousing the cause of Christianity. Constantine was smart and practical. He (unlike earlier emperors) realised that Christianity was a growing power he could not still. Plus he did have a soft spot for the religion, as many people close to him were Christians. What he then did was try to conciliate the growing faith and see how he could bring it under Imperial Control. Like I said get your hands on a good biography of the man and read it. General history books on the Roman Empire and Christianity (which are all a lot of people get to read) do not paint a full picture of the emperor. BTW, I saw where you claimed Timbuktu was the oldest university in the world. *smh* Fez? Al-Azhar? Ever heard of them? Are you sure you are not the one out of your depth here? |
Re: When Black Men Ruled Europe: The Moors Of Spain by blackjack21(m): 3:09pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
jacksparrow1207: One word. LAZY 15:09:46 Sat, Mar 7, 2015 1 Like |
Re: When Black Men Ruled Europe: The Moors Of Spain by cap28: 3:11pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
pazienza: We have great minds in our midst but the Europeans have many of us under a very debilitating form of mind control which actively works to keep us ignorant and full of self hate, try this experiment: disassociate yourself from the European mass mind pollution media for 6 months and immerse yourself in black history and you will see the change that will come over you. After being away from the mind control cancers that call themselves CNN, BBC, Fox etc you will start to develop a different mindset about the world we live in, please note that this experiment must be combined with research about black history and a genuine desire to acquire knowledge about black history. 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: When Black Men Ruled Europe: The Moors Of Spain by cap28: 3:12pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
blackjack21: AND STUP.ID |
Re: When Black Men Ruled Europe: The Moors Of Spain by Ubenedictus(m): 3:13pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
Demmzy15: corrections, spain already existed before the muslims came, there was already a Christian civilisation in constantinople and many other cities before the Islamic conquest. The crusade were a response to the islamic conquests, the arabs and the ottoman empire was constantly trying to subjugate all the cities on its way and turn the lands into Islamic caliphate, some islamic rulers were "just" and tried to consider everyone others weren't, jerusalem was conquered and later held by the sarecens, so was constantinople by mohamed II, then spain and most eastern Christian cities. This insatiable islamic conquest made a Christian Kingdom to fear for their lives even the pope in rome knew he wasn't safe but simply contributed to the tension the muslim conquest had coused, crusades were called after a group of arabs masacred a group of pligrims on their way to Jerusalem, that was the straw that broke the carmel's back and precipitated the crusades. The crusade were warlike and like most wars there were abuses, really disgusting things were done and i won't try to defend whatever atrocities were commited. But yeah, the crusade were a reaction to the insatiable conquest of the ottoman empire and its associates. |
Re: When Black Men Ruled Europe: The Moors Of Spain by Ubenedictus(m): 3:18pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
kay1one2:actually the crusades were a Christian mission, agreed to by all or most and sundry, preached by christians and their pastors. It was a period when the church and state acted together. The crusade is as much a Christian affair as they are secular. |
Re: When Black Men Ruled Europe: The Moors Of Spain by SirShymexx: 3:18pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
Radoillo: How's that ethnic taunts? Isn't that ya forte? Oh, telling you to stick to ya forte means "ethnic taunts" in ya dictionary, no? I'd do the same to Odumchi and the rest cos once you lot step out ya comfort-zone - it's about spouting all kinds of revisionism and pseudo-history. Aren't you the same guy who always vehemently argue against Nile Valley civilisations being black civilisations? The same guy who believes the Moors weren't black? He wasn't baptised, but how does that negate the fact that he converted to Christianity as alluded to by many historians and early Christian writers? Yes, he probably never understood what he was converting to, and did practise some paganism afterwards (especially the pagan statues he built in Constantinople). However, he played a major role in modern Christianity, and favoured the Christian-cult more than any other type of religion. The Council of Nicea 325AD in which he organised birthed the New Testament and modern Christendom - and the use of God the father, the son, and the holy spirit. He also founded Constantinople (today's Istanbul), the new Rome, for Christians. Heck, some of the earliest images of Jesus were images of Emperor Constantine. P.S: just answer the two questions with direct answers, rather than obfuscating facts and going off on a tangent. 1 Like |
Re: When Black Men Ruled Europe: The Moors Of Spain by pazienza(m): 3:23pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
cap28: After studying the circumstances surrounding Thomas Sankara's death and that of Patrice Lumumba, and the way the beasts that claim to be bastions of democracy deposed a democratically elected president in Iran to enthrone a puppet that answers to them. I began to question all that they dish out as history in various White literatures. It's obvious there is no extent these people won't go, to have the entire treasures of the earth to themselves, at the expense of all indigenous people of the world. History revisionism is only but the start of how far they can go, the leaked letter of Leopold to Belgium Christian missionaries in Congo DR, was also an eye opener to her far they are willing to go to have control of all the treasures of the world under their control, to benefit their people and leave the indigenous owners in poverty and penury. I pity black people still under the control of the European introduced religions, European media houses, both electronic and print. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: When Black Men Ruled Europe: The Moors Of Spain by Dragonking: 3:28pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: Good work bro..keep them coming as I can see that we are gradually realizing who we are..pls don't give up...keep them coming, more and more..Africa must be liberated and awoken from its slumber. 1 Like |
Re: When Black Men Ruled Europe: The Moors Of Spain by Misogynist2014(m): 3:29pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
1. I am not a black man, I'm an african. 2. Underdevelopment of africa is not because we have dullards, but of massive corruption invented by whites, developed by africans(emphasis added). Blacks are slaves, who don't know their origin(may not find this definition in dictionary). |
Re: When Black Men Ruled Europe: The Moors Of Spain by blackjack21(m): 3:40pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
anonimi: they are negroes dude.and by the way, we have senegal Senegal in similar butyraceous history of the black. Read this story. .: 2 Likes
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Re: When Black Men Ruled Europe: The Moors Of Spain by Nobody: 3:43pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
SirShymexx: Where's all this coming from? And where did I tell you Moors weren't black? We disagree on how black the Nile civilizations were, so....? Even well-learned Egyptologists disagree on that. What does it have to do with you going to pick a book on Constantine? Yes, bringing up Igbo on a general history thread that has nothing to do with them is childish, and shows how ethnic-minded you are. Go through this thread. That was the first mention of any specific ethnic group on this thread. It's something you always do. Which is why I never like having a discussion with you. You are unable to see past ethnicity. He wasn't baptised, but how does that negate the fact that he converted to Christianity as alluded to by many historians and early Christian writers? Yes, he probably never understood what he was converting to, and did practise some paganism afterwards (especially the pagan statues he built in Constantinople). However, he played a major role in modern Christianity, and favoured the Christian-cult more than any other type of religion. I'm done with this. Let me suggest the finest history book in the English language ever written. Well-referenced. Over 2 centuries old and still without rival. 'The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' by Gibbon. Chapters 17 and 18 deal with the career of Constantine. When you are done and you want to resume this conversation, then come back. You will not understand Constantine's motives for playing the role he played in establishing the Christian faith in his empire if you do not understand who he was. I reiterate: he was a pro-Christian pagan, only accepting baptism on his death bed. Christian emperors do not build temples to Roman gods... which he did even in the so-called Christian city of Constantinople. On a different note: Did you really think the University of Timbuktu was older than Fez and Al-Alzhar? That's kind of messed up. 5 Likes |
Re: When Black Men Ruled Europe: The Moors Of Spain by Idrismusty97(m): 3:46pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
Blacks can easily be divided over religious line like you can see in this thread. We are talking about how black once rule Europe and some nematodes are arguing on how their religion is better than the rest, which religion brought civilizations blah blah. The worst part is that these religions are alien to us, if they are our indigenous religions i wouldn't have problem with that. Now tell me, why won't blacks be forever at the bottom of the food chain? 3 Likes |
Re: When Black Men Ruled Europe: The Moors Of Spain by macof(m): 3:53pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
kay1one2: You do realize that was the moment Rome's eventual fall began? Christianity was the seed that grew to destroy Rome |
Re: When Black Men Ruled Europe: The Moors Of Spain by macof(m): 3:55pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
kay1one2: Lmao You said it all "in the bcs" hence Christians didn't exist then Praise the ancient pagans for giving u civilization and everything you have today 1 Like |
Re: When Black Men Ruled Europe: The Moors Of Spain by dexmond: 3:58pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
it shows that Islam spread through violence. That all the violence in the name of Islam has a precedence as seen in this post. |
Re: When Black Men Ruled Europe: The Moors Of Spain by Capableben(m): 4:02pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
hmmmmmm |
Re: When Black Men Ruled Europe: The Moors Of Spain by SirShymexx: 4:06pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
Radoillo: Lmao. Brev, stop being a sensitive mangina while crying everywhere like a puerile little girl over a non-issue. You should be applauding me for calling Igbo history ya forte (you might also be lacking in that aspect but since I don't know much about ya history - I'd give you that). That's what I know you for, and every time you stepped outside that zone - you're notorious for being a mess with revisionism and pseudo-history. Rather than answering simple direct questions - you've made a mountain out of a molehill, by creating drama basically cos I alluded to ya forte. You're a sensitive prima donna with drama. Get a grip and stop crying. I'm done with this. Let me suggest the finest history book in the English language ever written. Well-referenced. Over 2 centuries old and still without rival. 'The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' by Gibbon. Chapters 17 and 18 deal with the career of Constantine. Stop citing books and answer simple questions. I honestly don't have time for lousy books written recently to interpret the origin of Christianity differently cos of how popular the belief system is today. I'll stick with historical facts. When you are done and you want to resume this conversation, then come back. You will not understand Constantine's motives for playing the role he played in establishing the Christian faith in his empire if you do not understand who he was. I reiterate: he was a pro-Christian pagan, only accepting baptism on his death bed. Christian emperors do not build temples to Roman gods... which he did even in the so-called Christian city of Constantinople. Oh, now you accept he was "Pro-Christian" - and I bet you'd agree with me that without him, Christianity wouldn't be what it's today cos the Council of Nicea, in which he organised to unite all Christians, and made God the father and the son the same - played a massive role in the rise of Christianity. Moreover, why would he favour a religion, which wasn't even the most prominent religion back then, if he wasn't part of it? And isn't paganism also deeply rooted in Christianity - from Christmas, to Easter, et al? Yes, he did build pagan temples cos he never fully understood the faith at the time - and that was a political tool to make his reign all inconclusive. However, that doesn't negate the fact that he favoured the Christian-cult over other religions; was instrumental in the rise of Christianity and re-defining the nucleus of the religion; a lot of the earliest images of Jesus were Emperor Constantine's; and founded the Christian capital of the world in Constantinople. On a different note: Did you really think the University of Timbuktu was older than Fez and Al-Alzhar? That's kind of messed up. Fez and Al-Alzhar was a spiritual learning centre and a mosque. While Timbuktu was a higher scholastic centre where they taught advanced mathematics, sciences, astronomy etc.. You can't compare the two and, Timbuktu still remains the oldest on the planet. Timbuktu the Mysterious - and it's in Mali, West Africa! 1 Like |
Re: When Black Men Ruled Europe: The Moors Of Spain by 12ema: 4:12pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
cap28: Please tell me you are joking. |
Re: When Black Men Ruled Europe: The Moors Of Spain by Demmzy15(m): 4:17pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
Ubenedictus:Let me teach you some history lesson, Spain was of course inhabited but not by Christians. The Islamic empire of Spain was established by one of the the Ummayyad Princes by the help of the Moors! Muslims owned Spain, but we're driven out the Christians in the 15th century. Spain and Grenada were Muslim lands, we had some scholars from Spain like ibn Hazm Al-andalus. When Muslims were expanding into Europe, they were stopped in France in the 8th century. The first Crusade was called by Pope Urban II about 200years later, when Muslims and Christians lived peacefully. They captured Jerusalem in 1096AD,before they captured Jerusalem they laid seige on Marra. They then entered the city and there was famine, they resulted to cannibalism, they started eating the dead bodies of Arabs(Muslims and Christians) and turks!! Are these the individuals, you should be proud of?! The war between Muslims and the Roman empire all started when they wanted to end the Muslims during the time of Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam), you even lied when you said the Crusade was called because Muslims killed pilgrims??!! My friend the Crusaders were ones who stopped Muslim pilgrims when they(Crusaders) captured Egypt, they stop Muslims who were going to Mecca and killed all of them! There was freedom of religion in the Muslim Jerusalem, no one was denied pilgrimage. In fact no one paid for pilgrimage, when Muslims tried to take over Christian or Jewish sites they were punished! To try to show that Muslims are the bad guys, here is a link showing modern Christians apologizing to Muslims for the Crusaders actions http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/1996/october7/6tb090.html#bmb=1 |
Re: When Black Men Ruled Europe: The Moors Of Spain by cap28: 4:26pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
pazienza: Now you are talking - this is what I like to hear, kudos to you bros 1 Like |
Re: When Black Men Ruled Europe: The Moors Of Spain by cap28: 4:27pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
12ema: why would I be joking |
Re: When Black Men Ruled Europe: The Moors Of Spain by 12ema: 4:31pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
cap28: That i would have to explain sarcasm. Is psquare more important than understanding our history? |
Re: When Black Men Ruled Europe: The Moors Of Spain by macof(m): 4:35pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
Situation001: Only when Africans look to their ancestors and leave foreign religions 1 Like |
Re: When Black Men Ruled Europe: The Moors Of Spain by 12ema: 4:41pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
macof: define; "leave foreign religions" |
Re: When Black Men Ruled Europe: The Moors Of Spain by cap28: 4:46pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
12ema: Psquare is not even known outside the borders of West Africa, why would you compare him to something as serious as black history? 1 Like |
Re: When Black Men Ruled Europe: The Moors Of Spain by macof(m): 4:48pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
12ema:Dump christianity and Islam. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: When Black Men Ruled Europe: The Moors Of Spain by 12ema: 4:49pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
cap28: That is the whole point. The guys small mind is limited to small unimportant things. Because the OP's page was too long he could not imagine himself reading it. If it were two pages of Ini Edo he would definitely find time to read it. I can't believe i am explaining this. Excuse me; i have to go shoot myself now. 1 Like |
Re: When Black Men Ruled Europe: The Moors Of Spain by MarieSucre(f): 4:50pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
xage:Where is the evidence for such an assertion? |
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