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Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by JUBILEE2000: 8:31pm On Apr 07, 2015 |
RobinHez: Abraham also made animal sacrifices n married more than one wife.Since you want to imitate what Abraham did go ahead and do all that.Look my dear, Abraham paid tithe out of d spoils of war n NOT from his wealth n he did that ONLY once!!!!! Why are we making a doctrine out of this? Why are choosing only the part of the law that deals with finances only? If you uphold the law of tithe, u should also stone the adulterer, ur wife who is menstruating must not go to church etc..please let's repent from this scam called tithe n preach the gospel!!! 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by kushsy: 10:39pm On Apr 07, 2015 |
Hello Mr Die Hard No Tithe Payer..Its God with a Capital G.......or the Bible Said otherwise too? |
Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by lonzo(m): 10:52am On Apr 08, 2015 |
I always wonder why this issue of tithing is been discussed all the time .. 90:10 is that much to ask . Besides if you dont pay tithe doesnt mean God wont bless you but he will bless someone who does . My own opinion if you dont want to pay dont make it an issue . 1 Like |
Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by tunde4top(m): 1:37pm On Apr 08, 2015 |
lonzo:who need our tithe ?. God or pastors ?. If it is god, then where does god lives ?. Who are pastors ?. Are pastors saved different compared to other believers ?. Do pastors have special link to god, compared to other sons of god. Please answer my questions above. 1 Like |
Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by tunde4top(m): 2:12pm On Apr 08, 2015 |
kushsy:jesus will open your eyes to see the light of its true gosple, in the name of jesus. |
Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by Image123(m): 2:56pm On Apr 08, 2015 |
tunde4top: Okay if we pay tithe, we have not seen the light of true gospel. |
Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by tunde4top(m): 5:10pm On Apr 08, 2015 |
Image123: that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that god raised him from the death, thou shall be saved (romans10:9). and brought them out, and said,sirs, what must i do to be saved ? (act16:30). and they said believe on the lord Jesus, and thou shall be saved, and thou house ? (act16:31) yes, it is easy to see from the above verses that tithe has no business with salvation in Christ, so why then do you pay tithe, or compel people to pay tithe ? must i pay tithe to be rich ? |
Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by Image123(m): 8:30pm On Apr 08, 2015 |
tunde4top: Okay i yaf hear you, anyone that pays tithe has not seen the true gospel, according to tunde4top. |
Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by tunde4top(m): 8:58pm On Apr 08, 2015 |
Image123:stop pretending as if u did not understand that quote. Read it carefully again, and then quote me back. One thing is to be saved, another thing is to understand who you are in christ, and another thing is to work in the understanding of who you are in christ. It is very shameful that many sons of god fall into this tithe manipulation. Stop trying to dodge the truths in this writup. The holy spirit inspired me to come up with this writeup. Dont be rebellion to the message of light and emancipation that are embedded in this tread. God bless you, and have a comfortable night rest. |
Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by Image123(m): 9:41pm On Apr 08, 2015 |
tunde4top:Are you threatening me? Anyway, your message has to be very clear and to the point. Your message is that people like me who tithe have not seen the light, or the true gospel. Is that right? Those who tithe are not saved, is that correct? |
Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by tunde4top(m): 11:00pm On Apr 08, 2015 |
Image123:your reply is making me to laff seriously here. I did not threaten you oo. Why are you finding it difficult to comprehend my messages ?. Let me help you out again. Mr A is admitted to a university, after fulfilling the entry requirement. Mr A is now a jambite with little knowledge on his rights in the school. Mr B approached mr A, and lied to him that the school said he must pay him 1k monthly for freedom of working freely on campus. Mr A kept paying the money. Now is it right for mr A to pay the monthly 1k to mr B ?. No! is mr A still a member of the university ?. Yes! |
Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by Nobody: 11:21pm On Apr 08, 2015 |
tunde4top:you are so overwhelmed with your prove that you can't accept a simple correction,he said our supreme God's name should start with capital letter "G" like wise with Jesus's name.GET IT? Nw to tackle your observation's about tith,paul and the apostles with the old christians also brought yearly donations(story of ananias and sapheral) tith is mainly for the pastor or priest and the poor.what you should be saying is that many men of God are misusing the main perpose of tith.and mind you,tith is not for tarbanacle or what ever you said,it's was mainly for feeding the levites.man of God would not steal,he would feed from what the congregations gave him or her. |
Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by MarkMiwerds(m): 4:41am On Apr 09, 2015 |
RobinHez: 1. Abram's tithe was not of his own property. Nor was it of his household income. Nor was it of his own riches. It was of the spoils of war. (Gen. 14:16,18-20; Heb. 7:5) it was of property that Abram promised God he would not claim as his own. The phrase "to the victor belong the spoils" doesn't even apply here, because Abram promised God he would not keep any of the spoils. (Gen. 14:21ff) 2. The Law was indeed for the Jews. God never gave the Mosaic Law to Other nations. (Psa. 147:19-20; Acts 15:5,10,24,28-29; 21:23-25) 3. The command that tithes be brought to the storehouse was not to the New Testament Church. God, through the Prophet Malachi, was rebuking the Priests of Israel. He was not speaking to the children of Israel as a whole, but to the Priests. Notice: Mal. 2:1. And now, O Ye Priests, this commandment is for you. What commandment? If you read the rest of the Chapter, there is no commandment givEn in it. It is not until Chapter 3 that we see the commandment. Verse 7... Return to Me. God told the Priests that they were to return to Him. They ask, How? God answered... (Remember, He is speaking to the Priests... Will a man Rob God? Yet, ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. The Priests had robbed God. And in robbing God, they had robbed the nation. They robbed the nation of God's protection and provision. God would not send rain until the stolen tithes were brought back into the storehouse. To see how they robbed God, read Nehemiah 13:1-10. What happens if we don't tithe? Absolutely nothing. The curse for not tithing was upon Israel. They were commanded to tithe, we weren't. Tell me, would you punish your child for not gathering eggs from the chicken house if you never instructed him to do so? Why would God punish His children for not doing something when He never instructed them to do it? By the way, the tithes that God said to bring to the storehouse were agricultural, not money. 1 Like |
Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by MarkMiwerds(m): 4:57am On Apr 09, 2015 |
Pastors lie. God never gave them authority to take 10% of people's money. 2 Likes
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Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by Nobody: 6:47am On Apr 09, 2015 |
Guys tunde is not wrong I want you to read my thread "tithe and Offering". Shey we are copying the lifestyle of Jesus and the early days Christians. You guys problem is that you don't take time to study the bible. I have just 2 questions 1.was there any record of Jesus paying tithe 2. Was there any record of the apostles paying tithe Some pastors go as far as preaching that if you don't pay your tithe you will go to hell. But all Jesus said about it was "you leave the weightier things of the kingdom (salvation, love,) for the less weightier things(tithe) If at all u are giving to God.. Give that money, tithe, seed or whatever you call it to poor servants of God who need and widows and orphans and less privileged. As far as it States in James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. |
Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by Image123(m): 8:36pm On Apr 09, 2015 |
tunde4top: Actually, your message is very clear, those who tithe are not saved and don't know the gospel. I'll tell you what. Mr A is admitted into school. Mr A sees the advantage, privilege and organization of education. Mr A puts in his all making it worth the while; improving and preserving the quality of life around him all through his stay instead of waiting for government and school authority to spoonfeed him and do it all. Mr A is a responsible man. Yes! |
Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by Hiswordxray(m): 10:52am On Apr 10, 2015 |
tunde4top:Jesus is the High Priest therefore we must pay tithe to the High Priest, Jesus. But you may ask, how can we locate Jesus and pay tithe to him? Saul was persecuting the Church and Jesus told Paul, "Why are you persecuting me?" Just as Jesus is the head, Jesus is also the body. The body of Christ is Christ himself. When you give to fellow believers then you have given to Christ. Therefore we are to give even more then 10% to how fellow believers. The truth is that we are one with other believers and this means everything we have also belongs to other believers and everything other believers have also belongs to us, Just as God has given us His fullness through Christ. |
Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by tunde4top(m): 11:20am On Apr 10, 2015 |
Hiswordxray: I never said giving to fellow believers is wrong. The son of a giver, should also be a giver. it is rewarding when we financially support the ministry of Jesus. People supported Jesus financially, when he was on earth then. If i begin to work, i will learn to give at-least 20% of my income to a good ministry, for the spread of the gospel of Jesus. I am only against the title of a giving called tithe (10% of your monthly income). The notion behind it does not give glory to the victories that we have in Christ Jesus. sons of God don't pay tithe, but instead give willingly, cheerfully and bountifully. Have a pleasant day. |
Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by tunde4top(m): 11:27am On Apr 10, 2015 |
Image123: Sorry to say. You lack basic comprehensive skills. I hope someone else can help you out. |
Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by tunde4top(m): 11:31am On Apr 10, 2015 |
Bennyzino: God bless you sir. |
Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by Hiswordxray(m): 12:25pm On Apr 10, 2015 |
tunde4top:I agree with you. |
Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by Image123(m): 3:41pm On Apr 10, 2015 |
tunde4top: I'm happy and satisfied as far as i am saved and i can give tithes, i don't need to comprehend anything more, thanks. |
Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by MarkMiwerds(m): 12:10am On Apr 11, 2015 |
Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by joelbour: 4:09am On Apr 11, 2015 |
Quite a detailed analysis. But you must understand that Mosaic law or not, love is expressed in giving. I dont think anyone is coerced into giving against their will. The law of tithing and other forms of giving are universal. Non religious people do give and they are blessed. Your "heartily" giving enriches no one but yourself. Whatever is in ur possession isnt urs in the first place. |
Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by tunde4top(m): 11:09am On Apr 11, 2015 |
Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by brocab: 1:19am On Apr 13, 2015 |
Giving and tithing has two different meanings, tithing means a percentage, and giving can mean less or more. For anyone to say whatever is in your possession isn't yours in the first place, is calling God an Indian giver-God don't give to take it from you, once he gives it's yours, while you live, we buy and sell everything God has given us. We live comfortably, or we don't. And besides you have a cheek giving God a small percentage, when you say nothing belongs to you anyway. Do what Abram done, not only did he give 10% he gave all, from the spoils of war that didn't belong to him. Why not give your 10% money back guarantee and all you have back to God, {work for nothing} give it to the kings of the Church-do what Abram done. When God blesses me with work, he didn't say work for him, he said I have blessed you with work to be blessed, the more work I receive I can bless others in need. And do you understand what really blesses the Lord? {Not Money} when He see's His Children following after Him 100%, Seeking His kingdom studying, reading your bibles, this is how the Lord is blessed, it's His word" we are blessed, "not money" His word of wisdom and knowledge. Money can't buy Love joelbour: 1 Like |
Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by brocab: 3:09am On Apr 13, 2015 |
So funny> tunde4top: |
Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by ebuscalla(m): 10:58am On Apr 13, 2015 |
Search - charlesbible14: BIBLICAL REASONS WHY PAYMENT OF tithe IS ILLEGAL TO THE CHRISTIAN FAITH Why did God ask the Israelites to pay tithe? Answer Numbers 18:21-24 shows that it was for the sake of the levitical priesthood. 2) However, in the days of Nehemiah, the Israelites has stopped bringing in the tithe to the levites, hence the levites were forced to abandoned their work in the temple and to look for what to eat, therefore God used Nehemiah to correct the matter, they came back to their work as the Israelites started paying tithe again. See Nehemiah 13:10- 13 3)Once again, in days of prophet Malachi, the Israelites stopped bringing in the tithe to the levitical priesthood as the law required (Numbers 18:21-24)This time God spoke harshly to them through prophet Malachi accusing them of robbing him (Malachi 3:8-10) (4) However Christians are not required to pay tithe, why? Because the levitical- priesthood has ended and the law governing it also changed which included paying of tithe to them as HEBREWS 7:5,12 SHOWS. Verse 5 says " And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood have a commandment to take tithe of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the lions of Abraham" Verse 12 says "for the priesthood been changed, there is made of necessity a changed also of the law "KJV 5) Hence, no Christian in the Bible paid tithe, even. The famous preacher Apostle Paul collected no tithe from all the number of congregations he helped to established. Rather he worked with his own hands to support his ministry as a tent maker (Acts 18: 1-3, 20: 33-34) 6. How then should Christians give today? Answer 2 Corinthians 9:7 says "You should each, give then as you have Decided, not with regret or out of duty for God loves the one who gives gladly "(Good news Bible ) Finally, any Bible scholar, pastor etc who believes that this explanation is wrong -should Please proof me wrong using the Bible as his basis. Otherwise they should Please stop robbing their members by asking them to pay tithe! Romans 2:21-23 says "do you, however the one teaching someone else not teach yourself, you the one preaching do not steal do you steal?..... You the one abhorring idols do you rob temple? You who take pride in law do you dishonor God by your transgressing of the law? Comparing our worship to an athlete who runs in a race, the Scripture says "An athlete who runs in a race can not win the prize unless he obeys the rules. (2Timothy 2:5)Good news Bible! 2 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by davinero(m): 2:38pm On Apr 18, 2015 |
tunde4top:this is nice, you really took tym to write all dis? I am not a religious freak so I won't want to sound spiritual here. That same bible you studied said u shud not despise d battering of brethren, do you also know you are a robber if u don't pay tithe, read abt Stephen and the other deacons, Paul etc u'll know DAT tithing and giving of offering is important. That's where the poor are suppose to feed from, I have seen churches pay students fees, supply food to the poor, involve in several community services. Pls don't just come here and put up things to discourage others. If u don't do it fine, just kip it to urself owk! And if wat u are saying is true then u wudnt nid all dis lng grammer to convince any1. |
Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by MarkMiwerds(m): 5:36pm On Apr 18, 2015 |
davinero:perhaps you should read the Bible yourself. We are not robbers if we don't tithe. The command to tithe was given to the children of Israel. They were not to begin tithing until they entered the land God had promised their father Jacob. Their tithe was not to be observed outside the land of Canaan. God did not give the command to tithe to New Testament Believers living on Gentile soil. There is absolutely no mention of the Deacons paying tithe or instructing others to tithe. There is absolutely no mention of Stephen paying tithe or instructing others to tithe. There is absolutely no mention of Paul paying tithe or instructing others to tithe. The method of giving for the New Testament saints and faithful Brethren is giving with a cheerful heart. But that giving is not to be coerced, not to be dictated by others. We are told to choose for ourselves what we will give. |
Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by brocab: 11:35pm On Apr 18, 2015 |
Yes you are a robber if you were a LEVI PRIEST back in those day's. Are you? And didn't Jesus say go out into all the nations and preach the gospel, are you denying the truth in Christ-Have you not read the scriptures-in word and in truth. Are you disobeying the laws, Do you tithe, do you pay monies in tithing? Do you read the scriptures, when God said: bring all your crops, stocks, into the storehouse, so maybe My People will be fed. Are you a Jew, or are you a gentle Christian? Quote if you don't tithe then kip it to urself. Did the Lord not say spread the truth, and yet these persons are spreading the truth, and you say keep it to yourself. Because you yourself are spreading lying wonders, about tithes and offerings... davinero: |
Re: If You Read This And Still Later Pay Tithe And First-fruit, Then Prove Me Wrong. by MarkMiwerds(m): 7:14am On Apr 26, 2015 |
God never commanded monetary tithes in His Word. Monetary tithe teaching Pastors are thieves and the churches are their dens. |
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