9inches:


You are trying but you are still not sticking to the script. We are talking about official teaching of the Church, not what people chose to do in their lives.
1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture:





2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source (what does the Church teach about this?):





3. State where and how that doctrine contradicts the Scripture (criticize the teaching in number 2):






Catholic sources: https://www.catholic.com/all
http://www.ewtn.com/search.asp

brocab:
To be honest I haven't been trying-and the sites you have shared with me-really doesn't make a difference-every time I have search for Catholic sites, there's always some news that go's against it, nothing good come's out of the Catholic Church-nothing to be so highly proud of anyway, you are a faithful believer in the Catholic Church, I have shared the Word of God to you, and still you have refused it with a passion, but that is your choice.
"Just talking about official teaching of the Church' isn't the problem, what is, none of you practice it, nor do you truly believe it.
Anybody can claim they are christian-Jesus said: by their fruit we will know them, and if you practiced such bible teachings as you say the Church obeys, then I suppose we wouldn't hear of the many stories of wrongs that happens in the Catholic Church, back in the past and still today, and with no justice served-the Church turns a blind eye-leaving their victims standing alone-without a trial against the perpetrator, a priest who forced themselves upon a innocent Child, and still have the expectancy to be called a priest your father after he had broken all the rules.
Or had he broken the rules? Of course we don't know about the hidden agenda's of the secret society, with these hidden teachings?
If you were to believe the teachings of the Catholic Church, as you say you do, than you must fellowship with these monsters, but if you said to me, you believed in the written Word of God-then with evidence it would prove God had separated you, taken you out from a murderous Church that have caused crimes against God and humanity. "And plus you haven't shared nothing about anything."But as we can see-your fruit tells the story.
News travel's-but the problem is, you bow down to your Church as if it were made of previous Jewel's, you haven't given anything that is positive, nothing to help me to understand, that God had removed you out from the flock, and Christ is actually working in your life.
You would like me to think how great your Church stands above all man kind-and you want us to believe how faithful you are towards the Catholic Church, but the fact is, where is Jesus's name-and whereabouts does He stand in the building you believe will save the world.

9inches:

I can't read all these. Make use of the format below.
1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture:





2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source (what does the Church teach about this?):





3. State where and how that doctrine contradicts the Scripture (criticize the teaching in number 2):






Catholic sources: https://www.catholic.com/all
http://www.ewtn.com/search.asp

9inches:
I can't read all these. Make use of the format below. 1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture:

9inches:
I can't read all these. Make use of the format below.
2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source (what does the Church teach about this?):

9inches:
I can't read all these. Make use of the format below.
3. State where and how that doctrine contradicts the Scripture (criticize the teaching in number 2):

brocab:
I can't read or this either..

9inches:

I believe you.

brocab:
I am so glad you believe me-because the world believes me too-and I believe Jesus believes me, because I believe-your doctrine does not stand concerning the Word of God.

brocab:
I am so glad you believe me-because the world believes me too-and I believe Jesus believes me, because I believe-your doctrine does not stand concerning the Word of God.

9inches:

http://catholicchampion..qa/2010/10/rationalism-vs-faith-protestantism-vs.html

9inches:
I can't read all these. Make use of the format below. 1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture:

9inches:
I can't read all these. Make use of the format below.
2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source (what does the Church teach about this?):

9inches:
I can't read all these. Make use of the format below.
3. State where and how that doctrine contradicts the Scripture (criticize the teaching in number 2):

brocab:
Is this you final answer-this is what you have finally come up with-why do the Catholic's always turn to this sort of rubbish-it took One man to save the world-but it wasn't this unbelieving so called protestant man, he was never a protestant-he's Catholic, like most Catholic's that never read their bibles-this man is a lazy believer-Just like you-he doesn't believe-he didn't know God, he was brought up as a another bum sitting in Church. Why try to give me this kind of rubbish-This man wasn't a born again believer-this man's Catholic, he never knew Christ from the beginning, visa versa.
Believers don't turn their backs on Christ, and if this man was ever a protestant-someone else wrote this rubbish-and planted a photo of this man-maybe he is a priest-true protestant believers don't lie against the Holy spirit-they don't turn their backs against Christ, if not this man, someone is lying-and allow me to guess who that will be.

brocab:
Catholics believe that Mary appeared to St. Dominic in 1208 AD, at the church of Prouille and revealed the Rosary Beads to him. Roman Catholics are taught the virgin Mary never had sex after Jesus was born and that Jesus had no brothers and sisters.

brocab:
Catholics believe that truth is found in the Bible, as interpreted by the Catholic church only, but also found in Catholic church tradition. Catholics give honor to statues and images as symbolic of the individual saints.

brocab:
{Matthew 6:7} "And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words.
Roman Catholics are taught the virgin Mary never had sex after Jesus was born and that Jesus had no brothers and sisters. The Pope teaches that Mary is the mediator between God and man. Catholics also engage in more praising of Mary than Jesus Christ himself and actually pray to her to have their prayers answered. Rosary Beads graphically represent how Roman Catholics heap 10 times more praise upon Mary than God himself. Of the 59 total beads of the Rosary, 53 beads are "Hail Marys", but only 6 beads are "Our Father". The Rosary most often ends with a "Hail, Holy Queen" prayer to Mary, not God.
But whom do we believe/the Catholic's/or do we believe the Word of God?

brocab:
Catholics believe that Mary appeared to St. Dominic in 1208 AD, at the church of Prouille and revealed the Rosary Beads to him. Roman Catholics are taught the virgin Mary never had sex after Jesus was born and that Jesus had no brothers and sisters.

brocab:
[s]Catholics believe that truth is found in the Bible, as interpreted by the Catholic church only, but also found in Catholic church tradition. Catholics give honor to statues and images as symbolic of the individual saints.[/s]

brocab:
[s]{Matthew 6:7} "And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words.
Roman Catholics are taught the virgin Mary never had sex after Jesus was born and that Jesus had no brothers and sisters. The Pope teaches that Mary is the mediator between God and man. Catholics also engage in more praising of Mary than Jesus Christ himself and actually pray to her to have their prayers answered. Rosary Beads graphically represent how Roman Catholics heap 10 times more praise upon Mary than God himself. Of the 59 total beads of the Rosary, 53 beads are "Hail Marys", but only 6 beads are "Our Father". The Rosary most often ends with a "Hail, Holy Queen" prayer to Mary, not God.
But whom do we believe/the Catholic's/or do we believe the Word of God?[/s]

9inches:
Open any of the links, search for any topic you desire, for example bowing to statues and paste the teachings you find here so we can criticize the teachings together. You have to understand THE REASON WHY the Church believes or practices whatever it believes or practices. The reasons you can find here. Copy and paste any of them here and criticize it:
https://www.catholic.com/all
http://www.ewtn.com/search.asp

9inches:
1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture:
One at a time. The apparition of Mary to St. Dominic or the Perpetual Virginity of Mary


2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source (what does the Church teach about this?):

I said state or quote the INTERPRETATION from Catholic source. You only restated a belief of the Catholic Church, but then what is the whole teaching behind that to support the practice or belief? And by the way, this has nothing to do with Catholic interpretation of your number 1 above.
Open any of the links, search for any topic you desire, for example bowing to statues and paste the teachings you find here so we can criticize the teachings together. You have to understand THE REASON WHY the Church believes or practices whatever it believes or practices. The reasons you can find here. Copy and paste any of them here and criticize it:
https://www.catholic.com/all
http://www.ewtn.com/search.asp


3. State where and how that doctrine contradicts the Scripture (criticize the teaching in number 2):
Number 3 says criticize the teaching in number 2. This segment is for you to find faults in the teachings and interpretations from Catholic sources in number 2.

9inches:

Open any of the links, search for any topic you desire, for example bowing to statues and paste the teachings you find here so we can criticize the teachings together. You have to understand THE REASON WHY the Church believes or practices whatever it believes or practices.
3. State where and how that doctrine contradicts the Scripture (criticize the teaching in number 2):
Number 3 says criticize the teaching in number 2. This segment is for you to find faults in the teachings and interpretations from Catholic sources in number 2.

9inches:
1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture:
One at a time. The apparition of Mary to St. Dominic or the Perpetual Virginity of Mary


2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source (what does the Church teach about this?):

I said state or quote the INTERPRETATION from Catholic source. You only restated a belief of the Catholic Church, but then what is the whole teaching behind that to support the practice or belief? And by the way, this has nothing to do with Catholic interpretation of your number 1 above.
Open any of the links, search for any topic you desire, for example bowing to statues and paste the teachings you find here so we can criticize the teachings together. You have to understand THE REASON WHY the Church believes or practices whatever it believes or practices. The reasons you can find here. Copy and paste any of them here and criticize it:
https://www.catholic.com/all
http://www.ewtn.com/search.asp


3. State where and how that doctrine contradicts the Scripture (criticize the teaching in number 2):
Number 3 says criticize the teaching in number 2. This segment is for you to find faults in the teachings and interpretations from Catholic sources in number 2.

brocab:

So you would like me to criticize the Catholic's-I have a better idea, lets start with lining up your doctrines of traditions and how Paul actually had interpreted it in the scriptures.
{2 Thessalonians 3:6} Has nothing to do with the "Sacred Tradition" claimed by the Roman Catholic Church. It is about not being idle and failing to work. But that hasn't stopped the Roman Catholic church from reading into the scripture the idea that "tradition" means apostolic pronouncements that were orally deposited to the Roman Catholic Church which then releases them over time. They should stick with what the text actually says, and not what it does not.
In the New Testament, the word "tradition" also has reference to that which has been passed down. In some contexts, it is clear that some things (doctrines, rituals) passed down by man are contrary to the Word of God, and should be forsaken see {Mark 7:13}
The fact something is passed down from one time to another does not mean it must be forsaken. But if it is contrary to the Word of God (whether traditional or contemporary), it should be forsaken {Colossians 2:8}
In other contexts, there are traditions we ought to hold and perpetuate. Paul wrote to the Thessalonians and said, "Stand fast and hold the traditions," {2 Thessalonians 2:15}
Here, traditions are those ordinances, precepts and teachings transmitted through the apostles of Christ, and intended for all future generations.
Remember what Jesus said to His men when He sent them out after His resurrection? "... teach them to observe all things that I have commanded you," {Matt. 28:20} As an apostle of Christ, Paul taught what Christ commanded, and this body of instruction transmitted through the apostles is now preserved in the New Testament. Our obligation is to learn these instructions, then "stand fast" and "hold" them against all threats and temptations.
In the next chapter, Paul adds this: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received from us." {2 Thessalonians 3:6}
Not only must I stand fast and hold the traditions {New Testament} I'm also obligated to join with others in the local church to take action against those who rebel and refuse to keep these sacred traditions.
It is the teachings (paradoseis, 'traditions'). Paradosis means truth which, having been received, must be faithfully handed on. In this case it is Paul's own teaching, which he had received from God {1 Thessalonians 2:13} and which subsequently, he writes, we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth (his oral instruction when present with them) or by letter (his written instruction when absent).
So these paradoseis are not the later 'traditions of the church,' but the original teachings or traditions of the apostles.
It is vital to preserve this distinction between the two kinds of tradition. The apostolic traditions are the foundation of Christian faith and life, while subsequent ecclesiastical traditions are the superstructure which 'the church' has erected on it.
The primary traditions, to which we should hold fast, are those which the apostles received from Christ {either the historic Christ or the living Spirit of Christ} which they taught the early church by word or letter, and which are now preserved in the New Testament.
To 'stand firm and hold to the teachings' means in our case to be ... uncompromisingly loyal to the teaching of Christ and his apostles. This is the road to stability. The only way to resist false teaching is to cling to the true teaching that is written in the bible."

9inches:


Do the simple thing, follow the format I posted.

brocab:
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 2:18pm On Feb 15
Open any of the links, search for any topic you desire, for example bowing to statues and paste the teachings you find here so we can criticize the teachings together. You have to understand THE REASON WHY the Church believes or practices whatever it believes or practices. The reasons you can find here. Copy and paste any of them here and criticize it:
Sound Hypocritical, coming from a Catholic-so you prefer me to criticize these sites-so you can laugh with me?
Why criticize your Church, together we could search the scriptures to find the truth where your Church began?
History First Christians-According to Catholic Church tradition, Saint Peter established the church in Antioch, and was the city's first bishop. before going to Rome to found the Church there.
But was it Peter? "It was in the city of Antioch (modern day Antakya in southeast Turkey) that Christians were first so called {Acts 11:26} "After having gone to Tarsus to get the new convert Saul, only recently a persecutor of the church himself, Barnabas returns with Saul and they work with the church at Antioch for a year. What an encouragement he must have been to Saul, for most believers were still afraid of him. Later, Barnabas and Saul (soon to be known as Paul) will travel through Asia Minor together establishing many churches in many different cities. Antioch would become their "headquarters" from where they would launch their missions and return after completing them.

9inches:
1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture:
Some of these new Catholic traditions were added to the scriptures..
Basic Doctrine
Reflections and Prayers
Excerpts from Church Documents
God Became Man: The Incarnation
Christ Died for Us: The Redemption
Christ Rose From the Dead: The Resurrection
Christ Returned to His Father: The Ascension
The Holy Spirit
Mary, The Mother of Jesus
Basic Doctrine
Reflections and Prayers
Excerpts from Church Documents Overview of Church Teaching
Individual Doctrines Explained
Español
Apologetics
Devotion
Excerpts from Church Documents
The Catholic Church
The Papacy
Basic Doctrine
Apologetics
Reflections
Excerpts from Church Documents Saint Peter
Basic Catholic Teaching on St. Peter and the Papacy
Apologetics
Reflections
Excerpts from Church Documents
The Holy Eucharist
The Last Things
Basic Doctrine
Mass and Communion
Eucharist in Scripture
Eucharistic Devotion
Excerpts from Church Documents Death
Judgement
The Resurrection of the Body
Heaven
Hell
Purgatory
Catholic sources: https://www.catholic.com/all
http://www.ewtn.com/search.asp

9inches:

2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source (what does the Church teach about this?):
Angelus
Apostle's Creed
Glory Be
Guardian Angel Prayer
Hail Mary
Holy Rosary
Our Father
St. Michael the Archangel
Catholic sources: https://www.catholic.com/all
http://www.ewtn.com/search.asp

9inches:
1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture:





2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source (what does the Church teach about this?):





3. State where and how that doctrine contradicts the Scripture (criticize the teaching in number 2):






Catholic sources: https://www.catholic.com/all
http://www.ewtn.com/search.asp

brocab:

9inches:

You are copying and pasting an entire homepage of EWTN website. That's not what I asked you to do.

Example:
1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture:
You believe Calling the Priests "Father" is forbidden because of Matt. 23:9.

2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source (what does the Church teach about this?):
https://www.catholic.com/tract/call-no-man-father


3. State where and how that doctrine contradicts the Scripture (criticize the teaching in number 2):
Read the explanations in number 2 and also (2 Kings 6:21) and explain how they contradict Matt. 23:9 on the issue of calling a priest or a parent father.

brocab:
So now you would like me to past certain chapters? At first You wanted me to just look into EWTN website, I did, but you didn't give me a site to focus on.
Finely I can see-where you are heading with this, and of course you call your blood father at home holy priest, just like the Catholic's say about the Pope.
Just by looking at this below-obviously you are looking into the scriptures sightly backwards. There is nothing wrong with using the word father metaphorically, there is nothing wrong with calling our earthly parents “father” and “mother.”
In doing so we are not giving our parents an elevated title or position that belongs only to God. Our earthly parents are worthy of honor, and we are to honor our parents daily in the spirit of {Exodus 20:12, Matthew 15:4, Ephesians 6:1–3}
It would be confusing for God to give the fifth commandment in {Exodus 20:12} “Honor your father and your mother” and then later restrict us from calling our earthly father “father.”
{Matthew 23:9} states, “And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and He is in heaven.
”The context of {Matthew 23:9} tells us that referring to one’s biological father as “Father” is not what Jesus is speaking about.
In {Matthew 23:1–12} Jesus is denouncing the Jewish scribes and Pharisees for rejecting Him as their Messiah, in particular for their hypocrisy in elevating themselves above others with titles such as “teacher” and “master.” The Jewish teachers affected those titles because they supposed that a teacher formed the man or gave him real life. They sought, therefore, to be called “father,” as if they were the source of truth rather than God.
Roman Catholics call their priests “father,” and the Pope is the “holy father.” Abbots take their title from the Aramaic word abba, which means “father.” This is clearly unbiblical. The priest as “father” is problematic. In the case of “holy father,” there is no doubt this title is unbiblical.
No man can take on the title of “holy” anything, because only God is holy.

9inches:


Make use of the format to make it easy to read. Copying and pasting from gotquestions.org won't help you.

][quote author=9inches post=64794333]
I don't know what you call man-made traditions, however, I understand your choice to limit your understanding of the Scripture to the Scripture alone. That is called the bible alone or sola scriptura doctrine which was formulated in 1517 by no other than Martin Luther who was a Catholic priest and monk. For over 14 centuries, Christians have been learning BOTH what was written in the scripture as well as what they were taught orally by their predecessors in faith.

Listen carefully to what Paul said to the Thessalonians (2 Thess 2:15): "So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter." Now, don't you think the Thessalonians have more in-depth understanding of the overall message of Paul more than you? My answer is YES because you have only one aspect of his teaching- his letters; the other aspect he conveyed by the word of mouth, you do not have.

That whole body of knowledge they passed on to the Churches and their descendants up till this moment, and will never stop as long as there is continuity in life and direct generational ties. And so it happens that only one group or sect of Christians still maintains that direct unbroken link to the apostles and Christ Himself.

Martin Luther was in that loop but later broke off and passed down his own new doctrine to the disadvantage of his followers.

If you cite me any verse in the bible where it says the scripture is "sufficient"...2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.., I will leave the Catholic Church and I will denounce the Pope on this forum.

I am waiting for the false catholic teaching.

Remember:
1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture
2. State or quote the exact interpretation from an authentic Catholic source
3. State where that doctrine contradicts the Scripture.

brocab:
Here we go again, refusing to give me something I could work on, instead you prefer me using religious sites-but not the sites I found is useful, if Got Questions won't help me, than what makes you believe EWTN website will?
So far the EWTN website isn't helping me at all-matter of fact-it is doing my head in, and damaging me spirituality, if I wanted to believe in fairy tales, yes EWTN would be the site to go-I actually thought you were going to lead me to a good site-not something on the lines of a witch hunt, I thought Catholicism were a group of people that brought people to God, not turn them away.
If you are expecting me to learn something about God, then at least give me truth, not something-the Catholic Church have added to scripture.

9inches:


You are supposed to be criticizing Catholic teachings, that's why you have to use authentic Catholic sources so you can understand what the teachings are so that you will be able to point out the contradictions in them. My challenge to you is only to go through the teachings and point out errors, not necessarily for you to believe anything.

Use the simple format as you do so.

9inches:


You are supposed to be criticizing Catholic teachings, that's why you have to use authentic Catholic sources so you can understand what the teachings are so that you will be able to point out the contradictions in them. My challenge to you is only to go through the teachings and point out errors, not necessarily for you to believe anything.

Use the simple format as you do so.

solite3:
@ bold are you insinuating what was written and what was preached were different gospels?
Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

If there was one gospel, it mean what was written down is the same as what was said no difference and if so, the scripture can be used as a yardstick for differentiating lies from truth.

solite3:
Paul never said there two part of his message. That is you reading what it didn't say into it. He simply said his teaching was pass out in two ways, in writing and in words.

solite3:
Paul clearly said that the written scripture can make one perfect.
2 Timothy 3:15[b] And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptureinspiratione able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
[/b]
3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
3:17 That t[b]he man of God may be perfect, [/b]throughly furnished unto all good works.

Can what is imperfect bring perfection?

solite3:
lol superfluity of nothingness.
Being link to Christ has nothing to do with generational ties or physical birth.
Churches do not have discendants.
Do you are think that the worship of God is like ancesstral worship that is pass down from one lineage to another?
The lie you have been taught is that roman catholic holds the truth.

solite3:
who is Luther?

solite3:
2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works

brocab:
You expect me to criticize Catholic teaching, everybody criticizes-and shamefully with religion the Catholic Church is always in the middle of it all.
I have read about many different religions-but the main attraction is-most false religions actually lines up with the Catholic Church, and this isn't criticizing-this is the truth..
Pointing out errors, won't change the fact people choose to believe them, the truth is written in the bible-but how many actually read the bible, to seek between error's and truth?
Most people in Churches believe in their Church traditions, they would rather listen to either their priest-pastor, then to read something God's Spirit had ordained men to write the scriptures.
There are more people in Churches all over the world today,"lost" and as I said above, and this isn't criticizing-since you became a believer in Christ, is there fruit-would you recognise changes in you-since the beginning?
Count the many Churches who are guilty of crimes against God and humanity, is the Word of God actually being preached amongst the believers: all is there another tradition of doctrines stopping God's people to gain eternal salvation.
God won the battle, had He opened to us a narrow door, a decision is made so each and everyone have a choice to decide, which life we have chosen to live by.
“They are not of the world, even as I am not of it,” and this is before His request: “Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.
Are we not all in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption” {1 Corinthians 1:30}

brocab:
And plus-I was hoping you would explain why you believe in God-and why you prefer to believe in something other then God's Word?
But no you have pushed this aside-hoping no-one will ask you such a question-you had given me websites that can't possibly answer this question.
So of course this gives you time to crawl under that rock you once came out from, again..
Can't any Catholic-give me the answer, are you saved, and how were you saved, and who saved you?

9inches:


Sure, you can find enough answers to what I believe in here:
https://www.catholic.com/all
http://www.ewtn.com/search.asp