9inches:


The doctrine of sola scriptura, which is unbiblical and made-up by him. I don't care what happened to Luther because he's already dead. But you need to be informed of his doctrine so you won't make same mistake.

brocab:
Finally we have come to an agreement, the body of the believers is the Church..
So what made you believe, it was the Catholic Church Christ was preferring too, the Words Peter spoke weren't words that came out if sinful flesh,
these Word's were God's Words, God had spoken through Peter.
Jesus said: these Words you speak 'Simon Peter, didn't come from your flesh, it come straight from My Father in heaven, Christ built His Church on the Word, Christ didn't build His Church upon sin.
Sin can not build the Church of God, and you built your Church upon the sinful nature of Peter a sinner..

brocab:
What is my doctrine? Is it the Word of God, you have quietly removed from your scriptures of the Catholic Church, is the traditions more important to you, that because Martin Luther disqualified them, you believe everyone walked in Martin Luther-what you don't understand is, we don't walk in Martin Luther-we walk in Christ..

9inches:


Your doctrine is sola scriptura (bible only), and No, it's unbiblical meaning it's not the Word of God or original Christian doctrine. All Sacred Scripture and tradition were approved by God and no individual should remove or distort any part of both.

9inches:


May God have mercy on you for posting the rubbish highlighted above. How can God build His Church on a sinful nature of man (Peter).

brocab:
I know and I know you haven't any interest in the written Word of God

brocab:
The Catholic Church claims Peter built the Catholic Church. Peter was a sinner, and somehow Peter became Pope according the the Catholic's, and somehow you have this idea Peter built the Catholic Church. I suppose Peter is like Mary-Peter didn't sin either, because Popes who become Popes, are supposedly by the Catholic's are sinless..
{Matthew 16:15-17} “But what about you?” Jesus asked. “Who do you say I am?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. ”Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in heaven, and Jesus spoke about the Church, that was to be built on the Words God had given to Peter to repeat..
So which was it, was your Church built upon Peter's own words, or was it built upon God's Words, God had spoken through Peter?

9inches:


You are not making any coherent sense. Do you know what a 'Straw man' argument is? That's what you are pulling off right now.

9inches:


False. I regard both the oral and written Word of God as valid, unlike you who follows Luther to regards only the written Word.

brocab:
{Acts 7:51-53} “You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you. Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who foretold the coming of the Just One, of whom you now have become the betrayers and murderers, who have received the law by the direction of angels and have not kept it. ”Nor did you keep the tradition from the apostles, nor you do you obey the Word of God..

9inches:


Exactly! Unfortunately, protestants chose not to keep the tradition of the apostles and the Word of God.

brocab:
I was motivated as a young man to read early Christian writers. As a Protestant involved in what can be called the "Free Church" model, I had been taught certain things about the early Church and the Catholic Church; as I studied and became more familiar with early Christianity in my Ph.D studies I began to realize that I had been taught something like a conspiracy theory, and history completes itself.
I found there are many other "myths," but I want to comment on three: {1} The Early Christian Church was the model of following Christ, {2} Constantine was evil and used the Christian faith for political reasons. He made Christianity the official religion and influenced the Church to adopt pagan beliefs. {3} The Catholic Church started under Constantine and continually became more worldly.
Its the same old story-the Catholic's believe they are the Church, the only Church and nothing but the Church.

If the Catholic Church obeyed God, if they knew God, if they knew the apostles, and knew the Word of God-then why do they preach another pagan Jesus? Why do they pray through Mary and the saints, and why do they disobey the commandments of God the apostles had preached verbally, in Word or by letter?
{Acts 2:1-4} When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. So if the Catholic Church were the first Church of Christ-shouldn't they be called the protestants instead of the Catholic Church?
The Holy spirit fell on Pentecost.

9inches:


Why should you be a protest_ant? Why not follow the original and the authentic?

The earliest recorded evidence of the use of the term "Catholic Church" is the Letter to the Smyrnaeans that Ignatius of Antioch wrote in about 107AD to Christians in Smyrna. Exhorting Christians to remain closely united with their bishop, he wrote: "Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." - Wikipedia.

Protestantism started in 1517 when Martin Luther decided to separate from the Body of Christ, His Holy Church..

brocab:
Your competition who's Church stood the longest, will make no difference to me, my concerns are, do you believe, are you saved, and which body are you from, were you baptised into Christ, or were you baptised into the Catholic Church?[/color]

9inches:

Christ was not silly when He established a Church.

9inches:


The Church one attends makes a big difference. A wrong church will have wrong teaching. Christ was not silly when He established a Church.

brocab:
Do you believe, are you saved, and which body are you from, were you baptised in Christ, if you know the answer to this-then it doesn't matter which Church building you enter, because, once you have accepted Christ as your Lord and savour-you will keep His commandments, you will have enough discernment, to know which doctrine is true, and which doctrines are false.

brocab:
First you have agreed the body of Christ is the people, again you have changed your plead, The Church one attends makes a big difference?

9inches:


Done that. I am yet to find anyone show me evidence of the contradiction you talk about and be able to substantiate it. Maybe you can help me discover that.

solite3:
you couldn't find any contradiction because you do not know what the scriptures. I wouldn't do that for you. But my advice is take a KJV bible open study it prayerfully and you eyes would be open.
Also do a little research to the origin of roman catholic religion and you will find out there is nothing christian about it. The roman catholic religion is there to mislead millions of souls to hell. Roman catholicism exalts the goddess seramis as their queen in the name of Mary.
The roman catholicism is full of blasphemy against God and filled with hatered against true christian.
Do a research don't be fooled because on judgement day you would have no excuse. Shallom

9inches:


Why wouldn't you do that? You don't care about my soul, do you? Like I have said, I've studied the bible multiple times over. Maybe you should point the contradictions out and let's have a discussion on them.

9inches:

How can you accept Christ and reject His Word? And how can you discern which doctrines are false when your knowledge of the whole Word of God is limited only to the written Word?


Yes, it makes a big difference. Many churches teach wrong doctrines like the bible only doctrine. Bible only doctrine is against the Word of God.

brocab:
This is why Christ said: {John 18:36} His kingdom is not of this world.
But you believe obeying the traditions of the earthly Catholic Church, will lead you to Christ; you believe everybody outside the Catholic Church, and refuses the traditions of the Catholic Church are not saved, so of course with your own understanding the Word of God is not enough knowledge to even come close to spend eternity with Christ, you believe the Catholic Church, is the only Church that knows God.
You believe the Catholic Church and through it's verbal teachings the Church has all the answers, as long as you fellowship with the Catholic's, and stay with the traditions of the Catholic Church, you are saved by the Catholic Church, you believe, it is they, who know Christ, through Mary and the saints, that they hold the keys to life eternal in heaven.
I had asked you "Do you believe, are you saved, I don't believe you even know what this means-you were saved in the Catholic Church, only to your knowledge, you don't need anybody telling you, are you saved, because you are part of the body through the Catholic Church, saved and baptised through them, this had given you insurance, as long as you serve the Catholic Church, you are already written in the book of life.
The truth is, its all unbiblical-simple, but you will never know, until you cry out unto God and repent-with your own understanding the darkness that is in you, refusing and rejecting Christ "won't give you light-if you say you have light-then "How bright is that light that shines from you, you don't recognise the bible, nor the author of the bible "God, because you don't have fellowship with Him, to know Him..
Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then the Lord will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!
I have asked you are you saved, you are not saved no more then the atheist that claim they don't know God "Your Jesus is based on tradition, your mediators are based around the Queen of heaven-Mother of God, and the saints, believing the lie, can only send you to be with your great grand fathers that nailed Christ on the tree, and to spend eternity with your father in hell..

solite3:
if I dont care about your soul I would not have told you to search out the scriptures. As a catholic don't you know your doctrines? Compare it with scriptures and see if it is inline with it. Even if God loves you he wouldn't force himself on you. The choice is yours, Jesus didn't come to establish a religion he simply came to save sinners like me.

solite3:
Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Matthew 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

Matthew 15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

John 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken.

By this Jesus clearly told you his stand as regards this issue.

The first issue about the roman catholic church is that they exualts traditions the same way or even more than scriptures that is why the word have no effect on the members.

Placing traditions on same level or even above the commandment of God is plain heresy.

9inches:

Like I said, I have done so multiple times but haven't seen any contradictions. Everything doctrine of the Catholic Church is inline with the Scripture. The main issue I observed is:

1. People's understanding of the Scripture.
2. People's understanding of Catholic doctrines.

I would assume before you critic someone's beliefs, you will have to restate exactly what that person believes, and not what you think he believes

In that regard, let's do it this way:

1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture
2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source
3. State where that doctrine contradicts the Scripture.

Happy Sunday!


This would be true if the bible is the only rule of faith, but it's not. If you have really studied and understand the bible well, you would've known that it is not the only rule of faith. The apostles and the early Christians know way more than what is contained in the bible.

9inches:
God does not send an individual to hell for the sin he is ignorant of.

9inches:

I haven't said all the things you alluded here. I am not the one to judge who gets into heaven or not. That is not the main topic of discussion here is about who knows the Word of God and who does not. God does not send an individual to hell for the sin he is ignorant of. But as soon as you've heard it and refuses to heed to it, only then you are culpable.

Now that you have realized your bible tells you to know not only the written Word of God but also the unwritten, you are now responsible for what are do next with that information.

9inches:

Everything doctrine of the Catholic Church is inline with the Scripture. The main issue I observed is:
1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture
This would be true if the bible is the only rule of faith, but it's not. If you have really studied and understand the bible well, you would've known that it is not the only rule of faith. The apostles and the early Christians know way more than what is contained in the bible.

9inches:

Like I said, I have done so multiple times but haven't seen any contradictions. Everything doctrine of the Catholic Church is inline with the Scripture. The main issue I observed is:

1. People's understanding of the Scripture.
2. People's understanding of Catholic doctrines.

I would assume before you critic someone's beliefs, you will have to restate exactly what that person believes, and not what you think he believes

In that regard, let's do it this way:

1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture
2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source
3. State where that doctrine contradicts the Scripture.

Happy Sunday!


This would be true if the bible is the only rule of faith, but it's not. If you have really studied and understand the bible well, you would've known that it is not the only rule of faith. The apostles and the early Christians know way more than what is contained in the bible.

9inches:


Why wouldn't you do that? You don't care about my soul, do you? Like I have said, I've studied the bible multiple times over. Maybe you should point the contradictions out and let's have a discussion on them.

solite3:
In other word what is written can not be the only truth right? The Christians do not know more than what was written, that catholic religion false teaching. The bible contain the mind of God because all scripture was inspired by God himself not man made traditions. Traditions do not supersede God's inspired words. God's inspiration is the sole rule of determining truth, of which only the scripture is inspired.

solite3:
Unlike catholicism that teaches that scripture alone is not sufficient to to perfect a believer, the bible teaches otherwise.
If I have time I would post catholic false teaching.