SirShymexx:


Brev, they're the untouchables - folks are better off waiting for nature/life to take its course and let them die off. I dunno if Tinubu is also in on it, but he probably cut a deal with them due to how close he's with Walter Carrington and whatever US Ambassador is posted to Nigeria - jury is still out on him and will have to wait for cables to know that, but that doesn't negate the fact that he's an astute politician. Then Atiku looks like a sure bet. Hence I'm a tad bit sceptical about him and the excessive dreams they're selling to folks. Also, during his first tenure - his foreign policy was a mess.

However, I still think GMB will perform far better than GEJ. GEJ is the worst thing to happen to Nigeria on all front. The man was just too stupid to allow some amateurs from a section of the country hijack his government to settle perceived scores and power-play they believed they have been denied for a long time, via brazen nepotism and excessive looting, rather than play chess and take it one step at a time, with international support. They had the chance to correct a lot of things but they failed woefully.

Hopefully, GMB'stenure will be their last walk/dance - that generation needs to go away forever.

Brotherly, I concur... gej was a tad too dull. hungry for folks just hijacked his government.

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You still have not given us any answer about the "jealousy"
South Africa is jealous of nigeria, on what? tell us

lack of answer means there is nothing that makes SA envy Nigeria. Which country would ever want to be like Nigeria?

You possibly don't know the meaning of envy which is different from jealousy or 'want to be like Nigeria' in a nutshell. Nigeria is seen as the African GIANT and that takes some attention away from SA. If you aren't seeing that it is time to take note of it now. Please, take your Township post somewhere else.

all4naija:
You possibly don't know the meaning of envy which is different from jealousy or 'want to be like Nigeria' in a nutshell. Nigeria is seen as the African GIANT and that takes some attention away from SA. If you aren't seeing that it is time to take note of it now. Please, take your Township post somewhere else.

I don't think SA wants to be like Nigeria at all - no!!!!!

You are saying - your being seen as the GIANT of Africa takes away some attention from SA? I beg to differ.

Right now as I type this the Commonwealth Games inspection team is in Durban inspecting facilities in preparation to award the 2022 games to Durbs.......that alone is proof enough we have enough attention as it is.

Need I mention other notable events that will prove to you that SA has got nothing to worry about in terms of attention? You may want to tell me that investors are looking at Nigeria more than they do SA because of Nigeria's big population etc......got news for you, once we complete strengthening our power sector (which for the moment limits investments in the manufacturing sphere) - just sit back and watch in awe the investments that will be made in the manufacturing sector....

Having huge numbers in terms of the population may give you some advantage, yes (attention) - but rest assured it is what you can do even when you have not such a huge population that counts - and in that regard nobody comes close to SA yet. We do a whole lot. That is why we are not concerned about attention.

So yes - we are not at all worried about being overlooked - it's just not possible that SA can be overlooked in global matters. You can't even begin to talk about Africa and make references about this and that without citing SA in your sentence....

Oppose this lets hear!

Parolee:

I don't think SA wants to be like Nigeria at all - no!!!!!
You are saying - your being seen as the GIANT of Africa takes away some attention from SA? I beg to differ.
Right now as I type this the Commonwealth Games inspection team is in Durban inspecting facilities in preparation to award the 2022 games to Durbs.......that alone is proof enough we have enough attention as it is.
Need I mention other notable events that will prove to you that SA has got nothing to worry about in terms of attention? You may want to tell me that investors are looking at Nigeria more than they do SA because of Nigeria's big population etc......got news for you, once we complete strengthening our power sector (which for the moment limits investments in the manufacturing sphere) - just sit back and watch in awe the investments that will be made in the manufacturing sector....
Having huge numbers in terms of the population may give you some advantage, yes (attention) - but rest assured it is what you can do even when you have not such a huge population that counts - and in that regard nobody comes close to SA yet. We do a whole lot. That is why we are not concerned about attention.
So yes - we are not at all worried about being overlooked - it's just not possible that SA can be overlooked in global matters. You can't even begin to talk about Africa and make references about this and that without citing SA in your sentence....
Oppose this lets hear!

A country that are Xenphobic, have never spilt blood for their fellow Africans and its citizens take the law into their own hands in front of the World to see will never lead this great continent. Africa

Over Nigeria's dead body!


Tufiakwa!

PhysicsQED:


No. Nigeria did give financial support to the ANC (though certainly not that bizarre $61 billion figure being thrown around - which is based on the money Nigeria potentially lost by not selling oil to apartheid SA, not on actual direct contributions), and since there is a category for financial support to the ANC, Nigeria would at least have been listed there, even if Nigeria's important diplomatic actions/support are ignored or aren't considered to fall into any of those categories.

I think the reason Nigeria is not listed there is because the person or persons who made that list were not really thorough researchers or actual historians. The average South African doesn't know anything about any of Nigeria's actions against apartheid, so unless the person who made that plaque was some sort of academic, it's not likely they would know anything about Nigeria's involvement.

In any case, actual South African government members/officials have recognized Nigeria's contributions to the fight against apartheid on more than one occasion so omission from one particular plaque in that park does not mean so much. The plaque/board is simply not completely accurate. Of course it won't be changed just because some Nigerians on the internet feel it's inaccurate. It's up to them what countries' contributions they choose to acknowledge in their museum/park.

Could that be the contribution nigeria made was less than those countries listed? its possible. otherwise they could have included all countries of the world.

Ollyfad:
all of u S.A asking for wat S.A z jealousvof in Nigeria...allow me to make an analogy.
u tink lets say d U.S wanna do sumtin dat wuld affect d whole of africa dey wont make considering nigeria one of dia top priorities?? of course no one is saying dey wont consider S.A in d xm vein. bt hia z d issue S.A z seen as an industrializd country nd dat z rightly so bt evry one knws dat nigeria z not an industrializd nation bt a nation dat z largely under using/harnessing its capability yt it wuld make d top priority list of d U.S consideration in africa as S.A would.
bliv me..dats sumtin to b jealous of nd m sure one of S.A nightmare z d day Nigeria begins to rili use its capabilities.

m nt angry abt d exclusion....as a student of history i undastnd dat no mata ow ppl try hard to alter or rewrite history, history has a way of surviving un altered at d end.
SHALOM!

you still did not write anything that makes sense, you trying to say something but its not coming out because you know its baseless.

SirShymexx:


Brev, they're the untouchables - folks are better off waiting for nature/life to take its course and let them die off. I dunno if Tinubu is also in on it, but he probably cut a deal with them due to how close he's with Walter Carrington and whatever US Ambassador is posted to Nigeria - jury is still out on him and will have to wait for cables to know that, but that doesn't negate the fact that he's an astute politician. Then Atiku looks like a sure bet. Hence I'm a tad bit sceptical about him and the excessive dreams they're selling to folks. Also, during his first tenure - his foreign policy was a mess.

However, I still think GMB will perform far better than GEJ. GEJ is the worst thing to happen to Nigeria on all front. The man was just too stupid to allow some amateurs from a section of the country hijack his government to settle perceived scores and power-play they believed they have been denied for a long time, via brazen nepotism and excessive looting, rather than play chess and take it one step at a time, with international support. They had the chance to correct a lot of things but they failed woefully.

Hopefully, GMB'stenure will be their last walk/dance - that generation needs to go away forever.

New blood is needed in Nigeria.
These old people are the ones taking the country backwards.

morpheus24:


A country that are Xenphobic, have never spilt blood for their fellow Africans and its citizens take the law into their own hands in front of the World to see will never lead this great continent. Africa

Over Nigeria's dead body!


Tufiakwa!

Right now you guys are running out of fuel - you are one of the big crude oil producers in the world - yet you guys are going through a massive fuel shortage in your country.

I can't even begin to imagine what was gonna be the case if you were like SA with no crude oil at all?

By the way why do you have so many people in your filling stations each with containers making all these long ques?

https://www.nairaland.com/2287267/7-hours-experience-filling-station

I have always known this. You will never hear Nigerian top brass defending their contribution to the struggle. That is because they know the truth and our govt is only protecting the little integrity they have by not exposing their lies publicly.

Parolee:


By the way why do you have so many people in your filling stations each with containers making all these long ques?
https://www.nairaland.com/2287267/7-hours-experience-filling-station

Get a passport, go and visit other "African" countries and maybe you might just be able to answer those questions for your self instead of hiding in the PSeudo African state known as SOUTH AFRICA which technically by your own admission is not really Africa or technically has an entirely different history from most AFrican countries.

WE DO NOT WATN BRAINWASHED SO CLLED AFRICANS TO LEAD THIS GREAT CONTINENT!

Over Nigerias dead body.

AFRICA FOR REAL AFRICANs!!!

Voicefilter:
I have always known this. You will never hear Nigerian top brass defending their contribution to the struggle. That is because they know the truth and our govt is only protecting the little integrity they have by not exposing their lies publicly.

At this point who cares what was contributed to South AFrica or not. The fact that you people refuse to face the Underlying effects of Apatheid and the fact that the Master/Slave system known as Apatheid instituted a system and mind set that you are still suffering the after effects of is your true problem not whether Nigeria contributed anything to your "struggle" or if there are drug dealers hanging around in Hilbrow.

F-100 baba iyabo,you've suck us dry....Sai baba!,no carry F-last because you don do this job before. God has a reason,nigeria is a big disgrace nationwide.Just look as their citizenry are wasted globally everyday,yet one useless nigeria.Tribalistic bondage....

SirShymexx:


- Lmao...it is actually laughable that you would think a country like Nigeria expended that much on another country. You don't even need to be a genius to know that the number is ludicrous and it doesn't add up. Let me break it down for you: Nigeria's annual budget when apartheid ended in the 90s can be more than $4 billion. And in the 80s and 70s it should be hundreds of millions in US dollars. So, you mean Nigeria basically gave out $2 billion from let's say the 70s, to when apartheid ended over a period of 30 years, no? And it actually gave more than its annual budget for expenditure on itself during the same period, for about 20 years, running in deficit/debts, while spending nothing on Nigeria, no? I'm sure you understand simple mathematics - you can do the maths to see that the figure doesn't add up. You don't need to be a genius to see that.

- So, you mean Nigeria was singled out of all the other Africa countries to be targeted by whites, on a list compiled by those who were part of the struggle, no? Why did they target only Nigeria and not the other countries? The relationship between South Africa and Zimbabwe isn't that rosy - but the country was listed there. Then if its about competition on the African continent - Egypt and Algeria are in the same league as Nigeria and South Africa. However, Algeria made almost every sector of the list, while Egypt is also listed there. Or perhaps, Nigeria just never played a vital role in the actual struggle, and that's the same reason why the country's isn't also on academic sources as well - apart from Nigerian sources? No conspiracies - post proofs.

- How are you sources not propaganda? You quoted a source that cited a ridiculous amount that Nigeria would never have been able to afford to spend on its own people during that period, even if it tried to, with all the looting/mismanagement that happened. Now imagine spending that on a movement in another country - laughable. Then the other one is a wikipedia source (lol) about lousy 300 passports without even providing the names of any notable person in the anti-apartheid struggle that was exiled in Nigeria. At least if 300 came to Nigeria, there should be a few notable names. How about name them?

- An academic source means scholarship by an academic in an higher institution of learning. I gave you a journal published by a Professor of African studies at a reputable American University. However, you're yet to return the favour - what you gave back in return was a lousy Nigerian source which quoted a ridiculous number and wikipedia. Also, the cynicism in Ann Genova's conclusion was because they gave different reasons for nationalising BP - albeit the claim about apartheid got louder due to the convenience in using that as an excuse. Obviously, you will express scepticism on what the real intent was - that's a no-brainer.

- Mandela also spoke about how Gaddafi was a big brother in the struggle when he came out, but Libya wasn't on the list as well. And he wouldn't know much because he went to prison before Gaddafi became the president of Libya. So if I were you, I'd take whatever Mandela said as just being PC for those who supported him when he came out of prison.

- I believe the UK made the list, despite how pro-apartheid the leaders were, because a lot of ANC folks were exiled in the UK and they had an office in London. Thabo Mbeki for example was exiled in the UK, and a host of others. I believe you have lived long enough in the UK to know that the UK is somewhat liberal regardless of whatever international posturing its foreign policy is operating under. And there are, and have always been tons of leftists/communists/socialists in the UK, especially in the academic class, who are proponents of preserving people's human rights anywhere on the planet. So, ANC had their support and there were anti-apartheid rallies in the UK back then. For example: in the recent case at the UN between Mauritius and the UK about Chagos Archipelago, in which Mauritius won. The country was represented by a Brit.

Lastly, you're a very funny guy. I'm just objective when it comes to issues like this one cos I actually studied African history - pre and post colonisation - with enough scholarship, before I even joined this forum. So, my knowledge about Africa is vast, though I kind of limited how I speak about it, on here. This has absolutely nothing to do with being pro-anyone...I just expected more from a country like Nigeria during that era, but it seems bad leadership and corruption denied the country the greatness it would have achieved if it had been at the forefront of a lot of things, during that turbulent era of African history. I don't take sides when it comes how things happened in the past - humanity is bigger than nationality.

Lol I'm seeing this late, it didn't appear in my mention.

So the few ANC folks exiled in the UK, earned Britain a spot on the list? Lol that's funny!

As much as you (and even I) might not want to admit, you must realise Nigeria was once a leading force in Africa.

Let me give you a quick example: During the Nigerian civil war in the 60s, the UK played a proactive role, funnelling arms and aid to the Nigerian side while Biafran aid supply was blocked, ultimately forcing starvation & disease. Back in the UK, the anti-war sentiment was strong, a lot of folks were opposed to what was considered government's support for genocide of a particular tribe, the most famous of the anti-war crusaders at the time, was John Lennon.

Now google up the Nigerian civil war and checkout what side Britain was on.

My point: A government's foreign policy is what counts, not popular sentiments of its people. The government's official stance is the country's stance. A lot of people in the UK are opposed to the UK's role in imposing sanctions in Russia but doesn't matter.

Maybe the $61Billion is a bit far fetched, but that's not say Nigeria never made substantial contributions. You're not being objective here by deliberately turning a blind eye to the contributions made by Nigeria & Nigerians, you haven't presented me with any tangible source yet, just theories after theories, and things you consider plausible or implausible. Unfortunately, this holds no weight and is therefore undebatable.

To dispute something that most people consider a fact, you've got to present more than just theories.

I've spent more than half my life in the UK, and a reasonable chunk of it in Nigeria as well so I've got excellent perspectives from both sides.The rivalry between Nigeria & South Africa is common knowledge, the acrimonious comments from both Nigerians & South Africans on social media are not just for the fun of it, they're an accurate reflection of the frosty relationship between the two countries.

You claim to have vast knowledge of Africa, I'm not going to dispute that but perhaps you need to explore the Nigeria-SA relationship a bit further, after which I'm sure you'd get the clearer picture of what's actually going on between the two counties. A lot of information is out there already.

Thanks to Xenophobic attacks, we've had a season of verbal attacks on both countries & I'm frankly tired of it now. I've lost steam for this Nigeria-SA debate, both countries hate each other, they have to live with that.

That been said if you can present to me good sources (I'm not even going to ask for academic sources, any source will suffice) to back up your assertions and not just your theories of plausibility & implausibility, then we can go on having this debate else, we can both agree to accept our own versions of history.

ozoigbondu:
l don't blame SA rather l blame those idiotic morons masquradeing as millitary rulers that spent most of our money trying to libetate a bunch of savages.

lf i remember correctly Nigeria was the first country Mandela visted when he was relased to thank us for pumping billions to help them turns out it was a waste of resources

And to think we nationalized British Petroleum because of these savage zulus

Doing good things has never been wrong. Let's take it easy and not generalize on all South Africans.

Nigeria is full of it. They did not do anything special. Hell the Apartheid south africa provided more support to bifar than nigeria gave the the liberation movements.

andrewza:
Nigeria is full of it. They did not do anything special. Hell the Apartheid south africa provided more support to bifar than nigeria gave the the liberation movements.

kwaaa

14:

kwaaa

Gbe!