A-40:

Pound for Pound though Canibus is not on Rakim Allah's level and should not even be compared to Rakim abeg

tangent:

you have not been listening to canibus i suppose. there is power in his tongue and lyrical dexterity is peerless. his only failure is the inability to weld his lyrics with good beats for a wider appeal. stylus magazine describes him as a rapper with the whole english language in his mind.

tangent:

lyrically, he is easily the best but as a total package, jay-z, nas, biggie, tupac are all ahead of him.

As well as Rakim allah

tangent:

lyrically, he is easily the best but as a total package, jay-z, nas, biggie, tupac are all ahead of him.

MrCrackles:

Nah not really, i will say lyrically, NAS is a ruthless assasin!

But with wordplay, deep barz and witty punchlines, Canibus is excellente

tangent:

so who is the king of punchline between nas, canibus and jayz?

MrCrackles:

Me thinks Nas and Canibus are almost on parity, but CANIBUS just about edged it on this level!

tangent:

i agree. so which is more important to you? rhythm or lyrics?

MrCrackles:


Lyrics!

U?

tangent:

lyrics, of course.

Okija_juju:

Lyrics definitely, but the truth is neither can really stand with out the other.

tangent:

lyrics, of course.

~Sauron~:

Hmmmm. . . . . . .Good choice there.
When did you start listening to Bis??

tangent:

canibus? i knew him ages ago. canibus and ll cool j having a go at each other. i like him but he is not the total package so you should stop arguing about the self-acclaimed professor emeritus.

tangent:

you have not been listening to canibus i suppose. there is power in his tongue and lyrical dexterity is peerless. his only failure is the inability to weld his lyrics with good beats for a wider appeal. stylus magazine describes him as a rapper with the whole english language in his mind. lyrically, he is easily the best but as a total package, jay-z, nas, biggie, tupac are all ahead of him.

U are hidebound by your myopia.     
How many times do i have to tell a herb like you that penning rhymes for me was just a leisure thang in ma Uni days.
It ain't ma profession so why bust a gut to put lyrics on vinyl??  Hundreds of rap verses?? Show us one and stop bragging!!!

Then u must be talking about blinkered fans like yourself.
The fact that Rakim was a rap pioneer doesn't necessarily make him the greatest MC of all time. They all came out when the industry was just starting to grow. What was the level of competition in 1992 compared to now??
Cheese n Rice. . . .some fans also think Public Enemy n NWA were the best since sliced bread but how would they fare if they had joined the rap industry in say, 1996?? Food for thunk, negro!!!

It was a debut album. . . . .Most of the lyrics were pre-written. All they had to do was take it to the studio and add the beats n mixes.
What is so outta-this-world in that?? 2Pac recorded "7 Day Theory" in about 7 days so whats the dealie??
Are u a hip-hop illiterate??

In those days, the competition was weak. Any idiot could grab the mic and spit whatever and still get street credibility.
Rap music was begging for a face then so any piece of music from anyone was great as far as black people were concerned.

All the cats you have mentioned here are just average rappers. It's like saying Junior-n-Pretty were better lyricists than Mode9 because they influenced Eedris Abdulkareem and Rasquie. It doesn't make any sense to me. What you should ask yourself is how would they have fared in the mid-90s when Rap music blew up like nitro?? How many of these so called rap pioneers can stand toe to toe with Lauryn Hill in a battle??

Those were average works. . . . .They get mentioned because they were the music that gave rap music a FACE!!!

Keep clutching at straws. . . . . .Rakim n Eric B were just buncha noisemakers in em days who gave the West Coast a life line because of the political rubbish they keep spewing. While they were clueless with their rap songs, Dr. Dre stole the initiative from them(East Coast) and the West grew rapidly.
Thanx to Biggie for restoring the pride back while the likes of Rakim faded into oblivion.

U are really pushing your ignorance to the hilt. . .   

The king of punchline is Canibus. Not even your Pac or Rakim can match Canibus when it comes to retching ill punchlines.
On the same track, Bis' spat. . . . . . .

I hear you talkin' but i ignore it/you garbage and your rhymes borin'/
So keep standin' on the corner/the trash-man will collect you in the mornin/'

The sickest punchline ever recorded was also from Bis'. . . .

One of a kind, I got divine chromosomes in me
My sperm'll scramble the eggs in a woman's ovary

Classic prattle. Comparing Canibus to Will Smith & The Game just says it all about you.
You are clueless than i originally gave u credits for. Mind u, i didn't give u much in the first place.

Nas' "whiskers like a rat" and "fat lips"?? Those are personal disses synonymous to 15 year olds on  MTV's "Yo Momma". 
You have no idea what a battle track should be?? Go and listen to Bis' "Die Slow", "100 bars" and sniff spicy battle lyrics.
How can Ether eat Canibus' 2nd round K.O.?? Ibime should help you out now. You are deteriorating at a break-neck speed.

2Pac is a noise-maker. He is not a battle rapper.
Even a kid of 5 knows that and Bamsyle at 40 doesn't know?? Pathetic!!!

Another heap of trumpery. . . . .2Pac is your idol and you don't even know a germ of information about him.
2Pac died poor. Go to the net and check what he had when he died. . . . .He had nuthing. The truck was even registered under Death Row.
Talking about 2Pac had nothing at birth. . . . .How many of these rappers were born with a golden spoon in their mouthz??
How does this help build a strong case for Pac or how is this relevant to the debate?? Clueless Bamsyle.

Bankruptcy?? How low can you sink now??
A man that made $400 million to be paid in instalments of $100 million per year will go bankrupt??
Give up Bamsyle. . . . .You are starting to sound like a scratched Rakim CD.

Another weak defense. . . . . .Commercial-wise, 50 cent is a global brand.
His wealth would sink Nas(who had to put his tails between his legs and went back to Jigga). He lost his street credz since then.

U lack comprehensive skills. . . . .
What the reviewer meant was. . . .If u are the type that listens to lyrics synonymous to a kid in the 4th grade, then look away from Canibus.
He only used Nelly n Faboulous as examples of rappers like Jay-Z, Nas and other grammatically challenged herbs in the industry.

And Bamsyle completes his show of ignorance. . . . . . .

Obviously, u haven't been paying attention and yet you claim you know everything about Canibus. . . .You are a pseud.
Canibus wrote those lyrics before the beats. He was about joining the Army when he finished penning the lyrics of the album.
He send the lyrics to Stoupe(The Enemy Of Mankind) to complete in what even Bis' die-hard critics claim was an instant classic.
"Rip The Jacker" was widely accepted and many hip hop heads compared it to Illmatic. 11 brilliant tracks with no skits and no guest appearances!!
Pure artistry from the blueprints of Shakespeare and Da Vinci.

Who doesn't sample beats for songs on Hip-Hop albums?? Are you this blinkered??
Bis was in the army when Stoupe was mixing the sound so he couldn't have been responsible for that part of the production.
U have really shown your ignorance in leaps and bounds and this debate has lost it's taste.
Letz go back to lyrics versus rhythm debate before you humiliate yourself more.

Bamsyle:

Go back home and nurse yo' wounds . . .

You got nutin to say dawg . . .

If Rakim, Pac, Biggie, Nas, KRS-One, etc. beget offsprings and name 'em Lil' Rakim, Lil' Pac, Lil' Biggie, Lil' Nas, Lil' KRS-One - they'll still be thousands of times better than "Cannabis" or whatever you call his name

[b]I know this might be the most controversial thing I've ever spewed on this forum, but, fact is, there is only one reason why lyrical content is important to the critical reception of hiphop.
It's because half the artists and listeners are uneducated anyways. Kinda like the proverbial city of blind men.
This is the reason why people are praised for spewing what another person already learnt from reading books and watching CNN.
Why do y'all think Common's called Black Man's CNN?? Because the black man will refuse to go to school in order to understand CNN, but then he'll come back and listen to KRS-One and claim he's deep.

Nas comes out to scream Hiphop Is Dead and errone goes, 'damn, this is soo deep' . . . fcukin hell, in the educated circles, it's called the incorporation of subcultures by the ruling class and they've sure predicted it since God knows when.

For you lot, when you're inclined towards intellect, you listen to rap, for other people, they read wide, watch educative stuff, and sumtimes GO TO SCHOOL and then listen to hiphop as a form of entertainment.

Yeah, Obama's best musician is Jay-Z, but nope, he didn't get his silky communication abilities and encyclopedic brains from Hov, he got it from freaking Havard Law School.
So when next you think you're on sum 'high intellectual level' cus you're listening to Thugz Mansion, ask yourself if you've gotten any smarter than all those CEOs of multimillion dollar companies that will rather listen to Jazz.[/b]

javalove:


@eldee


WORST POST OF THE MILLENNIUM FROM ELDEE

IT AINT CONTROVERSIAL AT ALL!!!!

ITS JUST DUMB!!!!

UN KIDDING ME?

REAL RAPPERS READ WIDE!!!!

A RAPPER NEEDS INTELLIGENCE TO ENHANCE HIS LYRICAL ABILITY!!!!

LYRICS IS IT AND A RAPPER GOING INTO A BOOK TO BRING OUT HIS LYRICS AINT A BAD IDEA, EVEN IF EVERYONE ON EARTH HAS READ THE BOOK!!

~Sauron~:

Wounds?? Ur come back was so tasteless you need to add salt n spice to it. . . . .U actually went dark for 3 days to come up with that??
Bamsyle. . . . . . .Your views are warped.

50 cent made $400 million from a single deal from his multi-conglomerate and you still expect him to fail??
This excludes album sales, royalty paid to him from G-unit albums, G-unit gear, Movies, PS games(Bulletproof and the forthcoming Blood on the sand)
Your definition of success makes me quiver if you really think Fiddy is clueless.

Rakim faded into oblivion cos when the East Coast/West Coast beef escalated, he was nowhere to be found.
Bad Boy records did it for NY while the likes of Rakim etc were nowhere to be found.
Were they not the people 2Pac were dissing for trying to monopolise the Rap industry?? Go and listen to "In His Own Words"
Thatz anutha assignment for you, amigo!!!

Bamsyle:

Mr. Sauron, you always tend to digress from the major thrust of a debate when you discover you've got nutin to say . . . that's a lame move . . . you know the popular saying - "Don't be a cloud cos you failed to be a star" . . . no need for any 'spanner in the works'
We're not arguing over 50 Cent's Vitamin Water deal here. You brought that in as a frantic move to win the debate.

Relax 'n' start breathing - that a man makes $400m over a deal today does not make him for life. 50 has never been consistent in his career - that's my freakin' point. Throwin' yo' career overboard to delve into some drink that's got no acceptance is not the definition of success to me . . . and that's not to mention the vacillating nature of business (I had to use that word cos you like big words ) . . . you claimed at a point that Nas lost his street credo after the saga with Jay-Z . . . how ingenious of you! . . . next thing you'll say is that 50 gained more street cred by selling water . . .

So, Rakim et al must hop into the East/West Coast rivalry to be significant What are you even saying here How did Pac diss Rakim et al in that interview Go listen to Pac's "Old School" and hear him praise Rakim to the high heavens . . . plus a lot of nigguhs that you love to hate

It's a wrap Sauron. Go to bed. Hey, before you do - take this with you:

"People with open minds always close their mouths. People with closed minds always open their mouths". Where do you belong

. . .out of the names that have been mentioned the Ice Cube's,Rakim's Krs-one's,Chuck D's,Big Daddy Kane and Kool G Rap we all know Canibus is the least relevant in the game and has never really been relevant at any point in time

u see to belive in what i believe in pertaining lyrics and rhythm but when it comes to artistes that fits that believe, u fall my hand

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@Sauron
I don't blame you for this Canibus thingy, I blame LL Cool J
If only he didn't give 'Bis a chance to diss him, dude woulda been one of 'em people we only see on Nobodysmiling.com
Wait, 'Bis doesn't even have enough cred to be on that blog . . . damn!!!

~Sauron~:

U got carried away and went off tangent to say 50 cent's empire will collapse and i disagreed.
How has that changed the tone of the debate?? I said in the commercial scheme of things, 50 cent should be applauded.
It took him 5 years to eclipse what Jay-Z and P.Diddy laboured to achieve in 15 years.
Forbes 1-2-3(I get money-remix) would give you a clue.

50 cent is not Tyson. He is making money from various investments.
He is growing at the rate of speed of light with the things he keep dipping his hands into.
Nas lost his credibility. His die-hard fans couldn't stomach the fact that he is now under Jay-Z after the 2001/2002 face off!!!!

"Old school" pre-dated the East Coast/West Coast beef. . . .It seems you ignorance stretches back to the mid-90s.

From 2Pac's mouth: I love the east coast. . .I from the east coast, but they have to understand you just can't be saying shit about us and think we're not gonna take it personally. .  . . .You just can't be calling us fakers and pretenders and non-creative and say we can't freestyle. . . .and we just sit back and say 'Naw it's cool 'cause we love them because they started hip hop'. Hell no, we're gonna take it personal, just like a kid would when his bigger brother who ain't doing his shit steps to him. That's like a little brother making lots of cash and the bigger brother comin' along and sayin' 'You owe it all to me' That's wrong. . . .Don't be mad because the little nigguh is comin' up.

2Pac was referring to all the East Coast cats he hollered at on "Old School" here which includes RAKIM.
He was beefing every rapper from the East Coast as at the time he made this interview. If it was about an individual, he would name and shame him but this was a coast war.

The issue was dead n buried before you exhumed it again.
Canibus sampling beats on all his tracks just killed the flavour of the whole debate.
He never knew what the album was like until he bought his own CD. Thatz the pure fact!!!

U have been sonned again.

With the number of words you have typed on this debate, even a blind man knows you belong to the latter group.

Bamsyle:

This dude keeps farting in here . . . "The commercial scheme of things"

Are we in a Business class Topic says Lyrics V. Rhythm and you're referring to "commercial scheme of things" You stated that 50 would buy Nas et al and I showed you how flawed yo' argument is - Ces' fini. Nigguh I'm done with that. If we go deeper into this theory of yours and you take the sucker punch, you'll come around and say "money ain't a thang" - Same ol' Sauron . . .

Yeah right. Why not wait till the whole drama unfolds dawg Are you Fiddy's account manager?

There you go again - always cookin' up some fairy tale . . . Nas "under" Jay-Z. Nas "lost his credibility". Nas converted even die-hard Jay fans with that battle Always run background checks before you rap off-beat. You know nada about Nas so you're even unfit to make comments about him. If you knew, you'd have known that Nas likes to "play down" beefs. He's not someone to get into unnecessary beefs at every opportunity. Despite the fact that he's got a caustic tongue, he's always suing for peace. Eldee needs to explain this to you.

Check Nas' records - dude chose not to reply a lot of disses directed at him by different artistes - both direct 'n' indirect . . . In Jay's case, he felt he just couldn't stomach his arrogance any more . . . that's why he dissed him. And that's why when the tables turned around, he was quick to accept the olive branch and sheath his sword . . . he never even liked the Jay-Z war in the first instance . . . go listen to "Last Real N***a Alive" and be educated.

Of course I know "Old School" was before the East/West Coast beef. I just had to show you he had respect for Rakim. And I was waiting for you to show me how that changed with that interview. Now, all you could come up with is "2Pac was referring to all the East Coast cats he hollered at on "Old School" which includes RAKIM" How low can you get?

Not long ago on another thread you said that Pac was into name-calling in all his beef tracks. Yep, I agree. We all know Pac is very opinionated - he goes straight to da point when he's irked. Now, here you are saying it was a coast war and so he didn't mention Rakim It was a coast war and he mentioned Biggie, Puffy et al in that interview It was a coast war and he mentioned Nas, Chino XL, Mobb Deep, Lil' Kim, Fugees, Jay-Z, and a whole lot of East Coast cats in different songs (like "Against All Odds", "Bomb First", "All Out", etc)

If Pac got beef with you, he calls yo' name. That's a guarantee. There's nutin in that "His Own Words" interview to show, expressly or impliedly, that he had Rakim in mind. Find another story dawg.

And I'm telling you again - that a living artiste did not know anything about his production is not an excuse for lameness. If Music is business and you're an entrepreneur, you'll be both on the field and in the boardroom - keeping an eye on yo' business . . . Ok, I've heard you - he's not to be blamed for Rip the Jacker's production, what about his about 7 other albums

Plenty but sensible words. But you You keep rambling and makin' no iota of sense . . .
Another one - "If you've got it, flaunt it; If you ain't got it, stare at someone who's got it"