jiorhemen:


I am the OP, and I posted the pic. In fact I still have a collection of historical pics like this, including a rarely seen one, where IBB stood before Buhari saluting him. Please don't listen to anyone who says that IBB was Buhar's senior in 1983, it's a lie from those who don't know the truth. IBB was only senior to officers like Abacha, Gado Nasko, and Idiagbon in 1983. And even those ones were not his juniors, they were his course mates, just that IBB and Vatsa were promoted ahead of them. Even when he was president, his chief of defence staff, General Bali was his senior, he enlisted in 1961, even before Buhari. Tell anyone who says Buhari was captain during the civil war while IBB was major to spare you the trash. Both of them were young majors, just that Buhari got his major shortly before IBB. Then in the pic, IBB was a Lt. Col, Buhari was fill colonel. I also noticed a post where you said Buhari was also sworn in as governor in the same room, same day. Not at all, Buhari was sworn in as governor, but not in the same room on that day. In fact, he was not in that room. I have the video of the swearing in and address by General Murtala on that day

I like the picture, is revealing, please post the remaining.

they were too young to take on ruler-ship of a great country as complex as Naija. They should have just allowed democracy to thrive. We would have been served better.

jiorhemen:
Former Head of state, General Murtala Mohammed in a handshake with Lt. Col. Ibrahim Babangida at the swearing in of the Supreme Military Council (SMC) in 1975. In the background is Lt. Col. Tunde Idiagbon.

It's said, 'A picture is worth a thousand words' ...and I see a man standing upright with a very firm handshake and another man leaning forward like he was begging for his hand not to be squeezed. I see resolute determination in one's eyes and wavering uncertainty in the eyes of the other. Now, had their identities been unknown and the uniform decors hidden, from this picture you would have to be stupïd not to assume Abacha was the General and Murtala his subordinate. Not surprised Abacha would later become the Head of State because he had it in him already, and not surprised Murtala was 'removed', as this photo already somewhat depicted the fate ahead of him. The strong must rule the weak becaussse...Mother Nature isn't stüpid!

#teamAlphaMales

OrlandoOwoh:

Babangida remained a Brig-Gen, his rank when he became Chief of Army Staff, till August 1985, when he overthrew Buhari.

Even at that, 75 to 84 isn't enough time to hang Brig. Gen from Lt. Col......Area army kenan!

OrlandoOwoh:

Obasanjo can't be wrong. In his book, My Command, he said Buhari was a Captain and Commanding Officer of 2 Battalion while Babangida was a Major and Commanding Officer 82 Battalion. His second in command who took over from him when he was shot in Uzuakoli was also a Major. He was Vasta.
I want you to give me the ranks of both officers from 1962 to 1985.

It was an error, not that OBJ did not know or was wrong, it was just a mistake. I also read that part you referred to. Babangida and Vatsa got promoted the same day to the next rank until they got to Major General. Buhari was always promoted ahead of Babangida until they both got to Major General. Both were majors during the civil war. Apart from the records in the Army secretariat which I am privy to, during the last presidential campaign in Minna, when General Buhari and APC visited IBB in his house in Minna, I was there live when General Babangida made reference to the fact that both of them were 'young majors during the war'. Then that aside, even if it happened that there was a time IBB was ahead of Buhari by rank before Buhari overtook (though it never happened), it is not an aberration. In the military, there are some occasions where a junior is promoted before his senior. It happens a lot. Lots of factors are responsible for this, but I can't start explaining that now. Even it is still happening till now. There was a time my brother was promoted ahead of a senior fighter pilot who instructed him in air combat training. However, this my brother's senior was later promoted and now occupies a bigger office than my brother who is actually his junior, but got promoted before him.

Jowonloju:


I like the picture, is revealing, please post the remaining.

I will do that 'in the fullness of time' lol

The chap standing of Babangida's left is late Idiagbon.

Amazo:



It's said, 'A picture is worth a thousand words' ...and I see a man standing upright with a very firm handshake and another man leaning forward like he was begging for his hand not to be squeezed. I see resolute determination in one's eyes and wavering uncertainty in the eyes of the other. Now, had their identities been unknown and the uniform decors hidden, from this picture you would have to be stupïd not to assume Abacha was the General and Murtala his subordinate. Not surprised Abacha would later become the Head of State because he had it in him already, and not surprised Murtala was 'removed', as this photo already somewhat depicted the fate ahead of him. The strong must rule the weak becaussse...Mother Nature isn't stüpid!

#teamAlphaMales

Dear brother, standing upright and at alert before a senior officer is a sign of respect and reverence in the military. You dare not bend before a superior officer. If they were both civilians, then you would be correct. If Babangida did what Murtala did in the pic, hmmmm, only God knows what would happen subsequently

OrlandoOwoh:

Babangida remained a Brig-Gen, his rank when he became Chief of Army Staff, till August 1985, when he overthrew Buhari.

My dear OrlandoOwoh, Babangida was not Brig-Gen in 1985 when he overthrew Buhari, Babangida became a brigadier in 1979 while Abacha attained that rank in 1980 (alongside Useni, Nasko, Magoro and some other of their peers). Again, Babangida became a Major General in March 1983 (promoted same day as Vatsa) while Abacha attained the rank of Major General in Sept 1984 (alongside Brigadiers Tunde Idiagbon, Solomon Omojokun, Charles Ndiomu, Mohammed Magoro, Gado Nasko and Paul Omu).

So ?

EPIC ........

Hmm....

donholy28:
when d army uniforms wr as ridiculous as hell

Thr coups aside......dat was when d Nigerian military was highly respected and feared in Africa and d world in general, not d laughing stock it has become today.

BTW, did u see any off dem with pot belly thr compare that to army officers of their rank today and tell me d diff.

this one na real trow back pics

jiorhemen:


It was an error, not that OBJ did not know or was wrong, it was just a mistake. I also read that part you referred to. Babangida and Vatsa got promoted the same day to the next rank until they got to Major General. Buhari was always promoted ahead of Babangida until they both got to Major General. Both were majors during the civil war. Apart from the records in the Army secretariat which I am privy to, during the last presidential campaign in Minna, when General Buhari and APC visited IBB in his house in Minna, I was there live when General Babangida made reference to the fact that both of them were 'young majors during the war'. Then that aside, even if it happened that there was a time IBB was ahead of Buhari by rank before Buhari overtook (though it never happened), it is not an aberration. In the military, there are some occasions where a junior is promoted before his senior. It happens a lot. Lots of factors are responsible for this, but I can't start explaining that now. Even it is still happening till now. There was a time my brother was promoted ahead of a senior fighter pilot who instructed him in air combat training. However, this my brother's senior was later promoted and now occupies a bigger office than my brother who is actually his junior, but got promoted before him.

Let me help you here. Considering the "staff" strength of the entire officer corps of the Nigerian army during the war which was quite small , and for purposes of expediency , a good number of officers were promoted temporal/ substantial majors or captains as the case may be. this was to ensure only officers of a certain rank could command platoons/ battalions depending on the need.Mind you this is not standard practice but for emergencies like wartime etc . So it is possible IBB wore the ranks of a major before Buhari despite the former being his junior. These things were commonplace to suit the need of a particular operation or purpose during the war thats all.

marshalcarter:
So wats the essence of bringing all these old old shots back
I mean it isn't doin any gud nii

It is called HISTORY! Without Yesterday, they will be no today or tomorrow.

Ten years later, IBB became the HoS in Nigeria, the fire was already in him.

[quote author=marshalcarter post=35874635]So wats the essence of bringing all these old old shots back
I mean it isn't doin any gud nii



Mind your language please.

ModiKen:




BTW, did u see any off dem with pot belly thr compare that to army officers of their rank today and tell me d diff.

Bollocks.

Babangida and co were in their 20s then. Minimah and co are far older today hence the "pot belly".

Most colonels today are at least over 40

,,

patwilly:

Let me help you here. Considering the "staff" strength of the entire officer corps of the Nigerian army during the war which was quite small , and for purposes of expediency , a good number of officers were promoted temporal/ substantial majors or captains as the case may be. this was to ensure only officers of a certain rank could command platoons/ battalions depending on the need.Mind you this is not standard practice but for emergencies like wartime etc . So it is possible IBB wore the ranks of a major before Buhari despite the former being his junior. These things were commonplace to suit the need of a particular operation or purpose during the war thats all.

It's this same circumstances that led to Murtala Muhammed, Muhammed Shuwa,T. Y. Danjuma and Hassan Katsina to be given double promotion by Aguiyi-Ironsi. At a point in time in January 1976, T. Y. Danjuma with his new rank of Lt-Gen, became the senior of his GOC during the Civil War, Maj-Gen. Bissalla.

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OrlandoOwoh:

Obasanjo can't be wrong. .

Don't let anyone hear you say this

Obasanjo is a master at manipulating facts and rewriting history to satisfy his whims. he is a boldfaced liar and ignores processes at will. read soyinkas book to learn a little more about obj, ebora owu

That look in Babaginda's eyes.

Olaone1:

Bollocks.

Babangida and co were in their 20s then. Minimah and co are far older today hence the "pot belly".

Most colonels today are at least over 40

Mid 20s?!!!

Hw do u know; were u in d military with them at that time?

omojoshy:
When the MEN were boys

RIP Muritala and Tunde Idiagbon

Say when the thieves were innocent.

jiorhemen:
Former Head of state, General Murtala Mohammed in a handshake with Lt. Col. Ibrahim Babangida at the swearing in of the Supreme Military Council (SMC) in 1975. In the background is Lt. Col. Tunde Idiagbon.

nonsense, that is not buhari, rather look like mama gadafi.

dd

HungerBAD:
Speechless.

Hunger bad which of the Recce Battalion year or dad served ? sorry for the loss bro.

I just want to inquire something