herald9:
Italo,
It's laughable when you said science was invented by the Catholic Church. Please stop spamming ignorance all over this thread and read deeper.

Emyben:


You know nothing Ms Safari.

Your post is so sickening if you really are a catholic. And if you insist that italo is brainwashed, give reasons. state too the hypocrisies you mean. Educate us

adsonstone:


From all your stories of good by the roman catholic church comes this;

"The Methodist Church, among other Christian denominations, was responsible for the establishment of hospitals, universities, orphanages, soup kitchens, and schools to follow Jesus's command to spread the Good
News and serve all people."

Now who is 'shamelessly' trying to take someone else's glory?

....or maybe these ones too are roman catholics....

My point in all these 'good deeds' is that many other bodies do them...even non christian bodies, so you need not ascribe it all to roman catholicism.

So, would you be honest enough to list some evils just as you have listed some good?

Or do you want to keep embracing hypocrisy in public?




...but your post reveals you know them...

Anyway, I'll gladly wait for you to get some rest and think about the evils and post them at your convenient time.

After you post the evils, then I can post the good Deeper life has done.

safarigirl:
@italo,

....most of the things you claimed were stopped by the Catholic church were in fact stopped by Presbyterian and Methodist churches andd pray tell, what was 'evil' about Polygamy? So, all the men with one wife who now cheat on their wives are better than polygamists?

You already sound brain-washed with all your "the Catholic church has only done good to the world" preaching. The church has told you all they want you to know, but nobody will ever tell you the bad they've done. After all, if you write your CV, will you add that you took bribes in your former work place on it?

I'm also Catholic, and I defend the Catholic church most times, but even I know the hypocrisy that lies in that church and it is sickening.

plaetton:


He is not doing it alone.
We are all involved in this Anti-endarkenment of Africa.

adsonstone:
Infact, Scientific Method has been around before the advent of Roman catholicism.

Tell me more about how roman catholicism invented science...



Nice try Mr.
...but sorry, that does not tell that science was 'invented' by the roman catholic church.

Is there a need for you to be educated on the origin of science?

I think there a need because it seems you have opted to be ignorant of it.

Science has existed before Roger Bacon, Grosseteste or even any 'pope' or catholic priest....tell me more about how Catholicism invented science....or you want to rewrite history?

safarigirl:


I cannot even waste the little knowledge I have gathered on Nigerian Christians because I have found that 97% of them are close-minded people.

italo:


There was never civilization without religion. Christianity showed you that women are equal to men and should be treated with love and dignity. The enemies of religion, like you promote proliferation of indiscriminate sex including pornography which reduces women to little above animals with no love and dignity. It also increases unwanted pregnancies and you enemies of religion encourage the massacre of those innocent souls in the womb.

Those who molest children are clearly going against the Christian religion...so you can't say it was caused by religion.

The only thing Atheism has ever offered the world is death and destruction. E.g in Soviet Union, North Korea, Cambodia etc.

italo:


[s]Let us break it down.

Education

Catholic school are maintained parochial schools or education ministries of the Catholic Church. As of 2011, the Church operates the world's largest non-governmental school system.[1] Catholic schools participate in the evangelizing mission of the Church, integrating religious education as the core subject within their curriculum.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_education

Church scholars preserved literacy in Western Europe following the Fall of Rome (4th century - Catholic)During the Middle Ages, the Church rose to replace the Roman Empire as the unifying force in Europe (Catholic). The cathedrals of that age remain among the most iconic feats of architecture produced by Western civilization (Catholic).. Many of Europe's universities were also founded by the church at that time (Catholic). Many historians state that universities and cathedral schools were a continuation of the interest in learning promoted by monasteries (Catholic).[2] The university is generally regarded as an institution that has its origin in the Medieval Christian setting (Catholic - Universities existed before Protestantism) .[3][4] The Reformation brought an end to religious unity in the West, but the Renaissance masterpieces produced by Catholic artists like Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and Raphael at that time remain among the most celebrated works of art ever produced. Similarly, Christian sacred music by composers like Pachelbel, Vivaldi, Bach, Handel, Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven, Schubert and Verdi is among the most admired classical music in the Western canon

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role_of_the_Catholic_Church_in_Western_civilization

Tell us what your deeper life does for the world: Zero. Where do the Presbyterian, Methodist, Anglican communities fit in to the statistics. Give me facts! Real instances and figures.

The Catholic Church founded the modern university system in Europe before the advent of the Methodists, Presbyterians, Anglicans etc.

Health Care next...[/s]

italo:
"The Methodist Church, among other Christian denominations, was responsible for the establishment of hospitals, universities,orphanages, soup kitchens, and schools to follow Jesus's command to spread the Good News and serve all people."

UyiIredia:


What's the evidence for this ?

UyiIredia:




Openly proud or secretly proud ?

freecocoa:
It's right here on this thread.

UyiIredia:

What's the evidence for this ?

Amusaopeyemi:
Openly proud. Check me out on Twitter and iG @missamusa

ghananotnaija:
OP and all of you agreeing with him, shame on you o! I fear for your souls and the eternal torment that awaits you if you do not renounce all idols and man-made ideologies and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour.

First the west pushes homosexuality and now atheism / secularism! They've never admitted the defeat of colonialism. Only God can save Africa!

ZUBY77:


Will you shut up and listen to Reason.
What makes Catholic better than others?
Just because you belong there, right?

They are all designed to brainwash you.
It doesn't mean that they don't have good features.

The point here is that they are full of blinding lies

UyiIredia:


I think you're being to hasty. I'd agree many people are close-minded about religion here but I think the 97% figure is unsubstantiated.

CharlieMaria:
Man what a nice and excellent defence of the Catholic faith. Pls can we hook up?

freecocoa:
If I were to even give a figure based on my findings, I'll say 99% sef. There's nothing hasty about it.

italo:


[b]There was never civilization without religion. Christianity showed you that women are equal to men and should be treated with love and dignity. [/b]The enemies of religion, like you promote proliferation of indiscriminate sex including pornography which reduces women to little above animals with no love and dignity. It also increases unwanted pregnancies and you enemies of religion encourage the massacre of those innocent souls in the womb.

Those who molest children are clearly going against the Christian religion...so you can't say it was caused by religion.

The only thing Atheism has ever offered the world is death and destruction. E.g in Soviet Union, North Korea, Cambodia etc.

marcondo13:
@ italo, you are a good example of what the OP was talking about! I am a practicing Christian but I kick against man made dogma. Even Saint Paul talked about the doctrines of man.
Because you are a Catholic, does that mean that you will turn a blind eye to the excesses of the Church, and pass it off as individual errors? Even Pope John Paul apologised to the world, the jews, gypsies, moriscos for their persecution by the Catholic Church in 2000,during the Jubilee service. Abi you want to deny it? Google is there for all.
As for Science, I pity you and other brain washed Africans who believe the bullshit taught in school. I learnt the philosophy of Science at the University and everything was about the Greeks, and little about the Egyptians.
Was is it the Catholic church that built the libraries of Timbuktu and Alexandria ? When the Sumerians invented the wheels and alphabeths, Abraham was not even born! When the Mayans were cauterising wounds and carrying out bone transplant and other advanced surgical operations, the Early Church were hiding in the Catacombs of Rome. Perhaps, you have not heard of the Dogon civilization of Mali . They predicted astronomical phenomena and did calculations with pin point accuracy, years before Galileo was born! Na the Church teach the Babylonians about the rings of Saturn, thousands of years before the telescope was invented? There is over a million year old nuclear rector in Africa, who built it?
The Church has always kicked against scientific discoveries that exposed the fallacies of several doctrines of man . Why did fight against Galileo and Copernicus when the book of Job said that God is sitting on the circle of the earth and that He hang the earth on nothing? Blood circulation is in the Bible but did the Church support Harvey? NO!
We are told that Hippocrates is the Father of medicine, but, his ideas were based on the teaching and research of Imhotep, an Egyptian priest! Has the Church ever come out to correct that error since there are veritable records in the Vatican archives? How can a dirty Idol worshiping Black man be named the Father of Modern Medicine? Impossible! Rather, his name was further blackened in the movie trilogy, "The Mummy", as a flesh eating priest! They were more concerned with the Da Vinci code!
The Arabs have been enslaving blacks for centuries, but the Catholic Church perfected the act of modern slaves trade. It was a Catholic priest, who suggested that Africans should be brought to the New World ( North America and the Carribeans) because the natives were been exterminated! Wikipaedia is your friend. History is full of the excesses of the Church since the days that the Florentine State Secretary, Niccolo Machiavelli wrote his master piece, the Prince, which he modelled on Cesare Borgia, the son of a supposedly celibate Pope!
I don't want to talk about the events around the collaboration with the Nazis and the Mussolini gang during WWII. It is an open secret. Pope John Paul has said it all. Perhaps, you have not read the recent Wiki leaks about the Saudi Government 's cables to the Vatican about the Syrian Govt, with regards to ISIS!
When the Archbishop of Canterbury decided on ordaining gay priests, the Nigerian Anglican Prelate rallied the Church worldwide and stoop up against him! What happened when the butler to the last Pope was jailed for released documents showing massive frauds, nepotism and contract racketeering among top Cardinals in the Vatican, did the Nigerian arm of the Catholic Church say a word? Nope! They were more interested in tearing down CAN because Cardinal Onaiyekan lost the Presidential elections. He simply lost because the Nigerian Christian house is tired of his pro - Northern establishment stance and continued ass licking of the Sultan in the face of continued massacre of Christians in the North! He just could not stop talking about his time with Sir Ahmadu Bello, fiddling while Borno was on fire!
Juvenal once rightly quipped "it was fear that first created the gods". We have stopped reading and that is the reason why the African people is backward! If not, How can an educated man believe that killing a fellow human is a short cut to Paradise, or donating all your financial resources to the Church will invoke God's blessings, when the person in question, is corrupt?
Until the day that the African people, and Nigerians in particular, really sit up and search the Scriptures or other Holy books, and compare it to what they are told, we will never be free intellectually!

UyiIredia:


That's your cup of coffee cocoa.

PAGAN9JA:


bloody hell! The Spanish Inquistion!

safarigirl:
read NL religious Section when in doubt

italo:


What is Scientific Method and where was it practised or standardized before Roger Bacon?

chreldb:


I'm surprised that no one else has taken you up on this point. There is nothing else I can think of that has denigrated women more than religion. I challenge you to strengthen your claim by defending these parts of the bible in quote.

Deutronomy 22:13-14; 20-21 "13;If any man takes a wife and goes in to her and then turns against her, 14; charges her with shameful deeds and publicly defames her, and says, ‘I took this woman, but when I came near her, I did not find her a virgin,

"20; But if this charge is true, that the girl was not found a virgin, 21; they shall bring out the girl to the doorway of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death because she has committed an act of folly in Israel by playing the harlot in her father’s house; thus you shall purge the evil from among you.

""And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the LovePeddler, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire." (Leviticus 21:9)"

""When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her." (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)"

""Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean." (Leviticus 12:2)

"But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days." (Leviticus 12:5)"

""But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." (I Corinthians 11:3)

"For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man." (I Corinthians 11:8-9)"

""Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go." (Judges 19:24-25)"

""Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)"


""If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silvers, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days." (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)"

""Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14:34-35)"

""Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up." (Hosea 13:16)"



And so on and so forth...... So what is this you say about Christianity bringing about civilisation and gender equality? Because what is in the bible is an absolute contradiction to those claims.

safarigirl:
it is not my job to educate you, because just like salvation, the road to enlightenment is a personal race.

I cannot even waste the little knowledge I have gathered on Nigerian Christians because I have found that 97% of them are close-minded people. Even if I brought hard evidencee to dispute what you have accepted as 'facts' you will still argue blindly. You are all programmed like that.

Read Dan Brown's history, discover why a man with access to the Vatican library, a man with a deeper understanding of the Catholic faith than any of you half-baked Catholics in Nigeria, would become an atheist.

Try and read with an open mind, so you can sieve true facts from exaggerations,.because you have all been told to ignore that man and have done so religiously because of your fear of the unknown.

Enlighten yourself, don't wait for someone to enlighten you, your religion cannot grant you eternal life. Surely, you know that Christians are not the only beings in Heaven.

UyiIredia:


If by close-minded you mean an unwillingness to hear the other side you are very wrong some Christians do such and I count myself as one, there are others. Atheists have a free rein on the Religion board. Compare that to the 'Islam For Muslim' child board where one must declare his/her faith in Allah before posting.