plainbibletruth:
Where Did Mohammed’s Stories Come From?

Why asking? What's your business anyway?!

No true Muslim will doubt the fact that some of the stories found in the Quran were previously mentioned in the Bible.

However what many Muslims may not know is that, apart from the Bible, there are clear evidence that the Quran got materials from pre-Islamic writers, Jewish folktales, Arabic apocryphal fables and other books.

This therefore challenges the claim of ORIGINALITY and even divine authorship of the Quran. It is not in doubt that Mohammed interacted with Jews and Christians and must have heard stories of the Bible from them.

Even some of his very close friends and associates were Jews and Christians. His main secretary was said to be a Jew.

The underlined shows you acknowledge that the Prophet Muhammad(sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) had good relationship with Non muslims. This point of yours clearly refutes the notion by parisbookaddict and truthman2012 that the Prophet Muhammad persecuted other religions. Thank you tho

This association may even account for the presence many Persian, Syriac, Hebrew, Old Egyptian, Assyrian and Greek words in the Arabic Quran. The Quran therefore is not really ‘Pure Arabic’. Other words that are not Arabic are found there.

The fact of these many foreign words really dents the Quran’s claim of it being ‘Arabic, pure and clear’ as evidence of its divine authorship.

Apparently many Arabians actually questioned Mohammed on this. That is why we find such portions such as Sura 16: 103 “And We certainly know that they say, "It is only a human being who teaches the Prophet." The tongue of the one they refer to is foreign, and this Qur'an is [in] a clear Arabic language” and Sura 25: 4-6 “And those who disbelieve say, "This [Qur'an] is not except a falsehood he invented, and another people assisted him in it." But they have committed an injustice and a lie.And they say, "Legends of the former peoples which he has written down, and they are dictated to him morning and afternoon."Say, [O Muhammad], "It has been revealed by He who knows [every] secret within the heavens and the earth. Indeed, He is ever Forgiving and Merciful." which were meant to counter the accusations.

So there was really nothing new the Quran was presenting. Instead it was either giving its own version of previously known stories or copying them outright.

Maybe it is in following Sura 6:89/90 “Those are the ones to whom We gave the Scripture and authority and prophethood. But if the disbelievers deny it, then We have entrusted it to a people who are not therein disbelievers.”

[s]The least the Quran could have done was to acknowledge these sources rather than claim originality and divine authorship.[/s]

You talk too much, prove it. Your friend malvisguy212 tried and failed. Hope you aren't following his footsteps, because if you do, you'll be a big loser
https://www.nairaland.com/2408973/explanation-wanted

Reputable Muslim scholars know for sure that Mohammed had knowledgeable people in Jewish and Persian religion and Christianity around him who influenced him and his composition of the Quran.

A number of Islamic books confirm this. Mohammed’s contemporaries knew this and must have challenged him on this. This is why he tried to argue against them in Sura 9: 127; 16:103; 25;4-6.

**sighs** Mr. Man you're boring me already, mention them. Stop playing cat and mouse, this no Tom and Jerry you know?!

[b]"And whenever there comes down a Surah (chapter from the Quran), they look at one another (saying): "Does any one see you?" Then they turn away. Allah has turned their hearts (from the light) because they are a people that understand not." Qur’an 9:127

"And indeed We know that they (polytheists and pagans) say: "It is only a human being who teaches him (Muhammad SAW)." The tongue of the man they refer to is foreign, while this (the Quran) is a clear Arabic tongue." Qur’an 16:103

"Those who disbelieve say: "This (the Quran) is nothing but a lie that he (Muhammad SAW) has invented, and others have helped him at it, so that they have produced an unjust wrong (thing) and a lie."
And they say: "Tales of the ancients, which he has written down, and they are dictated to him morning and afternoon." Say: "It (this Quran) has been sent down by Him (Allah) (the Real Lord of the heavens and earth) Who knows the secret of the heavens and the earth. Truly, He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." Qur’an 25:4-6[/b]

**draws a chair nearer to him** The Chapters you referenced doesn't support you. So try harder next time.

Mohammed did not just get these people to help him write down his ‘revelations’, he was actually helped by them in getting some of the stories he then had written down. This was a common knowledge in Arabia and particularly Mecca.

You're beginning to look like a fool, please proofs to back up your speculations

Incidentally, many of the stories in the Quran have no context unless one goes back to the original sources of such stories, which may be the Bible or any of the books of fables, which form the source materials of most of the Quranic stories.

[s]Otherwise, for many of the stories, getting a fair understanding of them comes only from the guess work of Islamic commentators; with each commentator coming up with his own interpretation of any particular story.
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truthman2012:
@ plainbibletruth

Good!

Loser™!!!

Demmzy15:

Loser™!!!

Demmzy15:

Loser™!!!

truthman2012:


Yes, I lost my way to Hell. Glory be to God. I advise you to do the same, otherwise you are taking eternal risk.

All of you muslims will be assembled in hell. No bi mi tok am o, na ya allahi! Lailah!!!

Na you get your black mouth sha

Demmzy15:


Why asking? What's your business anyway?!



Of course no Muslim would deny that, but the Quran corrects the blasphemous statements and acts attributed to God and his Holy Prophets. The bible wasn't the source of the Quran, but Allah. I know where you're going, but don't even dare it because I'm fully ready for you.



No need to speculate, it's left to you to proof it



The problem with you guys is, assuming the Prophet Muhammad(sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) didn't associate the Non-Muslims, you'll still be the same people barking. Now he had healthy relationship with them, yet you still criticise. From the beginning of your write-up you haven't made any sense, just go straight to the point



The underlined shows you acknowledge that the Prophet Muhammad(sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) had good relationship with Non muslims. This point of yours clearly refutes the notion by parisbookaddict and truthman2012 that the Prophet Muhammad persecuted other religions. Thank you tho



Your failures has started already, the Quran never stated "Pure Arabic" but "Clear Arabic". When foreign words enter into a language, it's due to the influence of the other. Just like in Yoruba and Hausa we have many Arabic words in these languages. English has many words from Hindi, Arabic, French, etc. So I don't clearly get your point here?!



The Arabic used in the Quran is one that is understood by all, the Quran states "Clear Arabic" nothing like "Pure Arabic". You need to know the difference.



Mr. Man stop beating around bush and go straight to the point, the verse you quoted was a reference to what happened to during the time of the Prophet. A beautiful explanation from a brother:

"This verse was revealed regarding a man by the name of Jabr al-Roomi. When he passed through the land the polytheists quickly jumped at the opportunity to claim that he was the one who was teaching Muhammad the Qur'an and this is why they could not replicate it, since this man was a foreigner with a different background and culture. God replied in these verses that if this claim were true then the Qur'an would not have been revealed in "clear Arabic" since that man had a very heavy foreign accent and could in no way produce such a work."



The Quran presented perfected messages, it corrected your blasphemies against God and his Prophets. I need not to talk more, just go get a copy of the Quran. The underlined is still hanging, please proves. It's only a fool that'll accept this nonsense.



"Those are the ones to whom We gave the Book, and judgement and prophethood.And if they refuse to believe in it now, We will bestow this favour on a people who do believe in it. (O Muhammad!) Those are the ones Allah guided to the right way. Follow, then, their way, and say: 'I ask of you no reward (for carrying on this mission); it is merely an admonition to all mankind.'" Quran 6:89-90

The verse you quoted up is summarised, stop takkiyah o. The verse is self explanatory, don't put in your misguided interpretations.



You talk too much, prove it. Your friend malvisguy212 tried and failed. Hope you aren't following his footsteps, because if you do, you'll be a big loser
https://www.nairaland.com/2408973/explanation-wanted



Please do us a favor by mentioning those so-called reputable scholars. Your problem is you're just talking no action. Show us verses of the Quran that were copied. It's so simple than for you to write this gibberish.



**sighs** Mr. Man you're boring me already, mention them. Stop playing cat and mouse, this no Tom and Jerry you know?!

[b]"And whenever there comes down a Surah (chapter from the Quran), they look at one another (saying): "Does any one see you?" Then they turn away. Allah has turned their hearts (from the light) because they are a people that understand not." Qur’an 9:127

"And indeed We know that they (polytheists and pagans) say: "It is only a human being who teaches him (Muhammad SAW)." The tongue of the man they refer to is foreign, while this (the Quran) is a clear Arabic tongue." Qur’an 16:103

"Those who disbelieve say: "This (the Quran) is nothing but a lie that he (Muhammad SAW) has invented, and others have helped him at it, so that they have produced an unjust wrong (thing) and a lie."
And they say: "Tales of the ancients, which he has written down, and they are dictated to him morning and afternoon." Say: "It (this Quran) has been sent down by Him (Allah) (the Real Lord of the heavens and earth) Who knows the secret of the heavens and the earth. Truly, He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." Qur’an 25:4-6[/b]

**draws a chair nearer to him** The Chapters you referenced doesn't support you. So try harder next time.



You're beginning to look like a fool, please proofs to back up your speculations



The Quran always referred to the Injeel and Torah not the bible. So don't get it twisted, the first Arabic Bible was 200 years after the Prophet so if you're thinking he copied from the Bible, then you need to study more



The Quran was explained by the Prophet himself with the commentaries using his words and the historical context in which the verse were revealed. You're speaking as if the bible itself doesn't have commentaries, I hate double standards. Think before you write or copy and paste articles because you could be shooting yourself on the foot.

Demmzy15:

Loser™!!!

parisbookaddict:


Yeah truthman is right.
Here is the verse

Every soul will taste of death. And ye will be paid on the Day of Resurrection only that which ye have fairly earned. Whoso is removed from the Fire and is made to enter paradise,he indeed is triumphant. The life of this world is but comfort of illusion (Quran 3:185)

What mohammed didn't tell u is once u are in hell there is no leaving it.

truthman2012:
@ plainbibletruth

Good!

parisbookaddict:


Same old boring rhetoric.

Dude what's ur viEw on camel piss your prophet says cures all manner of things. Have u taken it before.

I can argue the camel urine issue with you, but promise me you won't run if I start?! By the way, you could do yourself some good by refuting my posts rather than spilling garbage

johnydon22:
Biblical accounts of course with the Tenark background influenced Muhammed's version greatly.

All Quranic account on Isa and Mariam are all hewn from the Gnostic Gospels of Thomas and Barnabas. . . Muhammed's account has jewish and christian background then mutilated and smeared with his own unprecedented ideas

Demmzy15:

You guys have been saying the same thing over and over again. These are just speculations, it's left to you to prove where did he copy. Remember that "Possibility does not necessarily mean probability". The Quran refers mostly Injeel and Torah, It is very possible that those true stories were maintained in the Bible and the Qur'an simply came to confirm their authenticity, especially when we take into consideration that this is one of the functions of the Qur'an. (Surah 5:48)

plainbibletruth:
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Objective Muslim scholars and other researchers of Islam have proven that not was the Quran prepared by different hands, it's sources of stories were varied too. 

Just relax and you'll get samples of such sources and the proof you want. 

Demmzy15:

Loser™!!!

plainbibletruth:
[s]Samaritan Influence
Islam copied from many sources including the Samaritans.[/s]

The Samaritans were well established centuries BC. A fixed distinctive in their literature was the unity, absolute holiness and righteousness of God.

A recurring phrase in their liturgy was "There is no God but the One". Anyone can easily see the striking similarity of the Muslim declaration of: "There is no God but Allah." to theirs. 

The Muslim formula "In the name of God" (bismillah) is found in Samaritan scripture as beshem.

The opening chapter of the Koran known as the Fatiha, opening or gate, often considered as a succinct confession of faith is interestingly similar to a Samaritan prayer, which can also be considered a confession of faith, which begins with the words: Amadti kamekha al fatah rahmeka, "I stand before Thee at the gate of Thy mercy." Fatah is the Fatiha, opening or gate.

The influence of the Samaritans, who were already well established before islam came, can therefore be seen in these Islamic adaptations. 

You have failed once again, one of the languages "Samaritans" spoke is Hebrew, now look at the transliteration of Suratul Fathia in Hebrew:

[b]"bismi llâhi r-rahmâni r-rahîm - in the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Caring
בשם אלהים הרחמן והרחום / B'shem Elohim ha-rachaman v'ha-rachum
الْحَمْدُ للّهِ رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ

al-hamdu li llâhi rabbi l-âlamîn - praise be to God, lord sustainer of the worlds
התהלה לאלהים רב כל עלמים / ha-t'hilah l'Elohim rav kol olamim
الرَّحْمـنِ الرَّحِيمِ

r-rahmâni r-rahîm - the Compassionate, the Caring
הרחמן והרחום / ha-rachaman v'ha-rachum
مَالِكِ يَوْمِ الدِّينِ

mâliki yawmi d-dîn - master of the day of judgment
מלך יום הדין / melech yom ha-din
إِيَّاكَ نَعْبُدُ وإِيَّاكَ نَسْتَعِينُ

iyâka na`budu wa iyâka nasta`în - to you we turn to worship/serve; to you we turn in time of need

אותך נעבד; אליך נשוב / ot'kha na'avod; alecha nashuv

اهدِنَــــا الصِّرَاطَ المُستَقِيمَ

ihdinâ s-sirâta l-mustaqîm - guide us on the straight road (road of uprightness)
הנחנו בדרך הישר / hanchenu b'derech ha-yashar
صِرَاطَ الَّذِينَ أَنعَمتَ عَلَيهِمْ غَيرِ

sirâta l-ladhîna an`amta `alayhim - the road of those to whom you are giving
בדרכם של אלה אשר נטית להם / b'darcham shel eleh asher n'tiyat lahem
المَغضُوبِ عَلَيهِمْ وَلاَ الضَّالِّينَ

ghayri l-maghdûbi `alayhim wa la d-dâlîn - not those who receive your anger, who have lost their way.
אשר לא חרון אפו עליהם ולא מן התועים / asher lo charon apo aleihem v'lo min hato'im."[/b] Quran 1:1-8

Can't you see the striking resemblance because they're closely related? You're confused bro. It's just like someone should come out and start proclaiming that since the New Testament is written in Greek, then it's the same with Greek methodology(paganism) because both were written in the same language and are closely related(!?) Would that make any sense to you?! [size=14pt]NEXT?! [/size]

plainbibletruth:
One indisputable fact is this: Mohammed was not presenting anything new. 

The Samaritans existed well before Mohammed.

[s]Their literature therefore preexisted that of Islam. [/s]

If, as we have seen, Islam's writings bear resemblance to theirs that already existed it can be safely said that Mohammed and Islam were not presenting anything new but may either have been influenced by theirs or copied in part from theirs. 

Demmzy15:

I can argue the camel urine issue with you, but promise me you won't run if I start?! By the way, you could do yourself some good by refuting my posts rather than spilling garbage

Demmzy15:

I can argue the camel urine issue with you, but promise me you won't run if I start?! By the way, you could do yourself some good by refuting my posts rather than spilling garbage

Demmzy15:

I would advise you to get a copy of the Quran and read. You keep saying the Quran is presenting nothing, when you don't even know anything about the Quran.

Of course and also Judaism and Christianity, but the question is, did they have any influence in Arabia during the time of Prophet Muhammad?!

You're still saying the same thing, looks like you didn't read my earlier post


You're still speculating, out of over 6,000verses of the Quran you present only "In the Name of Allaah the Beneficent the Merciful" in which you gave no reference/source for. Don't think I'm a fool, "Samaritans" influenced Christianity and Judaism not Islam.

Many parts of the bible and Talmud have striking resemblance to the Samaritan books, you then ignore that and say because "In the Name of Allaah the Beneficent the Merciful" is "supposedly" the same, then Islam copied out rightly. If you think like, you need brain check.

plainbibletruth:


@the bolded – relative to our context the Quran presented nothing new.

Yes! They influenced his creation of a new religion.

If yes, where did they influence? Which of their scholars did Prophet Muhammad meet? Was it in Makkah or Medina?! If you can't list them, don't quote me!

Now, tell me what you’ve put down here that’s different from my submission that the Samaritan’s earlier writings influenced Islam’s. The emphasis is on ‘EARLIER’. If a man writes something today which details can be found in a book written 100 years ago, will you say that today’s book is really presenting something “NEW”?

parisbookaddict:


Yeah truthman is right.
Here is the verse

Every soul will taste of death. And ye will be paid on the Day of Resurrection only that which ye have fairly earned. Whoso is removed from the Fire and is made to enter paradise,he indeed is triumphant. The life of this world is but comfort of illusion (Quran 3:185)

What mohammed didn't tell u is once u are in hell there is no leaving it.