netotse:

sorry, my mistake, i meant if X² is equal to 4 then what is X?. thanks for the correction!

@ajanlekoko
mennnn thats what i'm planning o, i want to see if i can get into system planning after an M.Sc so that when the power boom occurs i'll be in a good position.

Don't plan, man, just do.
Sad to say, bright young promising youth like you may end up with a raw deal if you stick around.

AjanleKoko:

Don't plan, man, just do.
Sad to say, bright young promising youth like you may end up with a raw deal if you stick around.

why do you say that and what do you mean by raw deal

bawomolo:

why do you say that and what do you mean by raw deal

He's a young man, just leaving school, options are limited at the moment.
He might just end up in a place where he doesn't want to be, doing what he doesn't want to do.
That's what I mean.

lower voltage panel
instaallation will include placement of electrical panels on its base and termination of designated power cables
400A TPN 415V 50Hz free standing 2-source ATS(Automatic Transfer Switch) consisting of ;
1 set of hard drawn high conductivity 400A TPN 600V
copper bushbars
-1no 300A TPN MCCB incoming
-1no 300A TPN MMCB outgoing
-1no 300A TPN MCCB outgoing(spare)
-complete control cabling and devices needed for the automatic switching of power between 2 sources




2. low voltage polyvinyl chloride(PVC Sheated and polyvinyl chloride) insulated copper cables/conductors as manufactured by cable metal etc


pls pros i need a quote on dis stuff

lower voltage panel
   instaallation will include placement of electrical panels on its base and termination of designated power cables
400A TPN 415V 50Hz free standing 2-source ATS(Automatic Transfer Switch) consisting of ;
1 set of hard drawn high conductivity 400A TPN 600V
copper bushbars
-1no 300A TPN MCCB incoming
-1no 300A TPN MMCB outgoing
-1no 300A TPN MCCB outgoing(spare)
-complete control cabling and devices needed for the automatic switching of power between 2 sources




2.   low voltage polyvinyl chloride(PVC Sheated and polyvinyl chloride) insulated copper cables/conductors as manufactured by cable metal  etc


    pls pros i need a quote on dis stuff
pls mail me :sulebramms@yahoo.co.uk

AjanleKoko:

He's a young man, just leaving school, options are limited at the moment.
He might just end up in a place where he doesn't want to be, doing what he doesn't want to do.
That's what I mean.

@ netose
well man, if you need your masters, just go 4 it anywhere your cash can afford you. 4 now i think your ideas and many young entrepreneur Nigerians can make any little difference because of the rigid structure of the establishments. maybe your msc certificate will increase your cash and status cote with the organisation. i bet, unless you are the minister of power or better still, your ideas for better and more efficient power production and distributions migth ends up in the dustbin or remains a dream forever.

^^

damn that's harsh lol

bawomolo:

^^

damn that's harsh lol

but its true o. . .it'll take divine intervention to get anywhere when it comes to power in naija

Wow this is a great forum! U really can't imagine how much i've gained.

At the moment though, I'm configuring PLCc and also intertwinning my role with the basic electronics engineering as you know they are all married together. I used to work for 4years as a Graduate Telecoms Engineer within IT/Telecoms field but I didn't fancy it that much because it's too vague and so I deem it not to be my cup of tea. However, in Nigeria now, what's the potential for Electrical Engineers right now as we speak.I have my experience in the UK in a top company (top 5 actually so I'll not like to reveal being a defence/aerospace secret of the country itself). What's the potential with Power Engineering and Control Systems Engineer? Could you get far in a place like Nigeria where manufacturing doesn't float our boats and we get to import everything? Mind you, I'm talking with the vague knowledge of Nigeria that I have in my memore being that I left the shores 11years ago and have never stepped foot over there.

@BOSS
I'm a fresh gradute of EE, Unilag. Currently working with a UPS company. I have very keen interests in developing a career in Automation and Instrumentation: PLC's, DCS and Scada Systems,Process Control, FieldBus Techology, e.t.c can anyone with industry experience, please help me with how to develop myself in this line and its propects in Nigeria today. thanks.

At the moment though, I'm configuring PLCc and also intertwinning my role with the basic electronics engineering as you know they are all married together. I used to work for 4years as a Graduate Telecoms Engineer within IT/Telecoms field but I didn't fancy it that much because it's too vague and so I deem it not to be my cup of tea. However, in Nigeria now, what's the potential for Electrical Engineers right now as we speak.I have my experience in the UK in a top company (top 5 actually so I'll not like to reveal being a defence/aerospace secret of the country itself). What's the potential with Power Engineering and Control Systems Engineer? Could you get far in a place like Nigeria where manufacturing doesn't float our boats and we get to import everything? Mind you, I'm talking with the vague knowledge of Nigeria that I have in my memore being that I left the shores 11years ago and have never stepped foot over there.

oloye20:

Wow this is a great forum! U really can't imagine how much i've gained.


@BOSS
I'm a fresh gradute of EE, Unilag. Currently working with a UPS company. I have very keen interests in developing a career in Automation and Instrumentation: PLC's, DCS and Scada Systems,Process Control, FieldBus Techology, e.t.c can anyone with industry experience, please help me with how to develop myself in this line and its propects in Nigeria today. thanks.

I'm not BOSS, but I hope I can make a comment anyways.
The truth is, asides ICT, there is nowhere in Nigeria that electrical engineers, or any type of engineer, can gain valuable industry experience.
Forget the gist about oil companies, as far as I am concerned, they still have to ship out their professionals to do internships outside the country in order to gain the exposure needed to perform. Manufacturing does not even exist.

Thanks Ajanlekoko,
I really appreciate your comment. From your early posts I observed you had some training with programming PLC's. Please could you help me with the name of the company you worked for, and good materials in this field. my email addy is a4labimail@yahoo.com
thanks a mill

oloye20:

Wow this is a great forum! U really can't imagine how much i've gained.


@BOSS
I'm a fresh gradute of EE, Unilag. Currently working with a UPS company. I have very keen interests in developing a career in Automation and Instrumentation: PLC's, DCS and Scada Systems,Process Control, FieldBus Techology, e.t.c can anyone with industry experience, please help me with how to develop myself in this line and its propects in Nigeria today. thanks.

when did you finish? i might be able to direct you to ppl that know a bit about control

@ajanlekoko

AjanleKoko:

I'm not BOSS, but I hope I can make a comment anyways.
The truth is, asides ICT, there is nowhere in Nigeria that electrical engineers, or any type of engineer, can gain valuable industry experience.
Forget the gist about oil companies, as far as I am concerned, they still have to ship out their professionals to do internships outside the country in order to gain the exposure needed to perform. Manufacturing does not even exist.

but we still hear of people that do alright in those fields now, i hear i know when it comes to control there's one really good guy in siemens and there's also another freelancer i've heard about, i think the fact that the industries aren't doing well doesnt mean he shouldnt try to improve himself if thats what he wants.

netotse:


@ajanlekoko
but we still hear of people that do alright in those fields now, i hear i know when it comes to control there's one really good guy in siemens and there's also another freelancer i've heard about, i think the fact that the industries aren't doing well doesnt mean he shouldnt try to improve himself if thats what he wants.

bro, that must have been one of my low days! I mean when I made that comment.

The chap did mention something about establishing a career. In my opinion, that means working in a relatively stable but upwardly dynamic environment, with training and whatnot, exposure to projects. solid hands-on, etc, etc. There is really nowhere like that in Nigeria. I did my Msc specialising in Control and Industrial Electronics, and it was kind of an eye-opener for me. Which was why I settled for IT & Telecom.

Control engineering is beyond just knowing how to program PLCs, or getting proficient with some DCS/SCADA systems, that is some technician job if you ask me. For me, you should as an engineer be able to design systems, linear and nonlinear, from the ground up, using modern PLM tools from the likes of SAP and Oracle, not just playing around with hardware.
Those are the kind of projects I value, those are the projects that can enable you to put yourself on the same scale with engineers anywhere in the world. Very few, if any individuals exist in Nigeria with those skills, and almost no environment exists with that kind of challenge. I know a few guys, trained on some products like Siemens SIMATIC and some other PLC hardware, but to me, that's just like being a pricey maintenance technician

AjanleKoko:

bro, that must have been one of my low days! I mean when I made that comment.

The chap did mention something about establishing a career. In my opinion, that means working in a relatively stable but upwardly dynamic environment, with training and whatnot, exposure to projects. solid hands-on, etc, etc. There is really nowhere like that in Nigeria. I did my Msc specialising in Control and Industrial Electronics, and it was kind of an eye-opener for me. Which was why I settled for IT & Telecom.

Control engineering is beyond just knowing how to program PLCs, or getting proficient with some DCS/SCADA systems, that is some technician job if you ask me. For me, you should as an engineer be able to design systems, linear and nonlinear, from the ground up, using modern PLM tools from the likes of SAP and Oracle, not just playing around with hardware.
Those are the kind of projects I value, those are the projects that can enable you to put yourself on the same scale with engineers anywhere in the world. Very few, if any individuals exist in Nigeria with those skills, and almost no environment exists with that kind of challenge. I know a few guys, trained on some products like Siemens SIMATIC and some other PLC hardware, but to me, that's just like being a pricey maintenance technician

o ok i get your point, a lot of times its frustrating when someone is making something seem more important than it is, but its tough o, u want to learn but at times it seems there are so many obstacles on your path! here there are ppl that feel threatened by the corps members and so find ways to exclude us from work(it happens quite a lot) but i believe whenever there's a will there's a way, the obstacles just give u an interesting story to tell if u succeed!

netotse:

o ok i get your point, a lot of times its frustrating when someone is making something seem more important than it is, but its tough o, u want to learn but at times it seems there are so many obstacles on your path! here there are ppl that feel threatened by the corps members and so find ways to exclude us from work(it happens quite a lot) but i believe whenever there's a will there's a way, the obstacles just give u an interesting story to tell if u succeed!

dude, not everybody needs to sweat needlessly. Sometimes you have to focus and concentrate efforts on what your goal is, and where best it can be achieved.
For example I served in the avionics department of a charter airline service, now a major airline, Dutch-Nigerian owned.
For so many reasons, the place was not exactly condusive for learning. I mean, not that avionics would not have been a really interesting career choice, but there was quite some level of hostility against graduates from the NCAT-trained engineers at the company.
So I switched off, bid my time, and even left before the actual conclusion of NYSC, to join an IT company. Same as when I did my masters, and by the time i was rounding up, realised I would not get any condusive environment to practise control engineering in Nigeria. If I was bent on that career path, I would have left the country.

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@Netotse
Thanks bro. I  finished NYSC in Feb 2009. Actually, I came in contact with a some papers on PLC programming and DCS/ SCADA SYSTEMS; and since then, I had been really interested in getting hands-on experience. Opportunity usually is the problem. I really appreciate your comments and I don't mind any contacts you could lead me to. my email addy is a4labimail@yahoo.com.

@Ajanlekoko
Bros u Harsh O!, lol, Do you know that after your comment, I totally lost interest and hope? Although I know that you meant good, but abeg chairman, some of us have almost no skill nor exposure. If we continue with this trend in Nigeria, no EE engineer will have skill in any other field but IT/TELECOMMS. Check out CHINA, INDIA, SOUTH AFRICA etc(delibrately not mentioning the most developed countries), they have a well balanced participation/involvement of their engineers in all sectors of engineering: MECHANICAL/AUTOMOBILES/IT/TELECOMMS/CONTROLS/MACHINES/POWER/PETROCHEM,OIL&GAS/SOFTWARE ENGI/CIVIL/METALLURGY/MATERIALS/GEOPHYSICS & so on. Their involvement is wider, it facilitates the rise of entrepreneurs, entrepreneurs develop the economy. I strongly believe that if we have as many people involved in other areas of Elect Engineering as IT/TELECOMMS, we would be better off. But as the case is: NO POWER, NO ENTREPRENEURS, NO INDUSTRIES, NO DEVELOPMENT!
Ultimately, it boils down back to us. What can we do? but to Help ourselves in whatever way we can to help others? Please Help me. Thanks.

@Oloye20,



I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. But sometimes it's good for you to know exactly what you're up against. Trust me, it helps to sharpen your focus,
The truth is, Nigeria is in a bad place right now as regards providing opportunities to engineers. There's even no point referring to those China and India stories. We seemed to be picking up during the OBJ years, but since Mr Yar'Adua came to power, nothing significant has happened to boost engineering and manufacturing development in Nigeria.

What I'll say to young ones like you is: Don't stay idle, and be realistic, not idealistic. If you're still in school, ensure you get a very good grade, which will boost your chances of getting a good job in lucrative sectors, oil and gas, telecoms, as well as the manufacturing companies that are still standing. You read me advising netotse to find his way out of Nigeria for his Msc? There is really no point in frustrating oneself. One has to be fully focused and goal-oriented. There are many of us competing for the same few opportunities, and I'm sure you know the entire globe is on a downturn now.
If you're out of school, whatever the case, get busy. Don't start from 'Oh, I am only looking for a power job, or telecom job, or control job'. You need to aggressively search for opportunities, no matter how small, and keep pushing towards your particular goal. And also don't think small. We need to go out there into the wider world, gain more knowledge and opportunities, and add value to ourselves. Do not limit yourself.

@Ajanlekoko
Thanks bros, i really needed that. I plan to go for my masters abroad soon, in power, controls and renewable energy. What can you advise me to do, to make my chances of getting a good job and very good exposure in the U.K. better?

oloye20:

@Ajanlekoko
Thanks bros, i really needed that. I plan to go for my masters abroad soon, in power, controls and renewable energy. What can you advise me to do, to make my chances of getting a good job and very good exposure in the U.K. better?

power, control and renewable energy? would it be possible to get an msc that combines all 3? where did you do your NYSC? was it in lagos?(i get the feeling i know you. . .)

there's s1 that finished a yr or two b4 u that did an m.sc in power and is doing his ph.d now u shld know him now, u cld hit him up for advice. . .

awwww!
@netotse
I'm really sorry to disappoint you. I didn't serve in Lagos. I served in Sokoto. Guy, abeg link me up with the free-lance controls person you know. I'm desperately hungry for exposure. my email addy: a4labimail@yahoo.com abeg! abeg! thanks!

@Ajanlekoko
As the Lead Lecturer/Instructor/Advisor on this tread ,  abeg help me with the earlier mentioned. Thanks Sir.

netotse:

power, control and renewable energy? would it be possible to get an msc that combines all 3? where did you do your NYSC? was it in lagos?(i get the feeling i know you. . .)

there's s1 that finished a yr or two b4 u that did an m.sc in power and is doing his ph.d now u shld know him now, u cld hit him up for advice. . .

Brunel offers a course similar to what the poster is looking for

Its nice meeting great guys in this forum.Is anyone here a member of ieee in nigeria?If there is any;kindly tell me how to become a member.Rgds

are you in school? your school should have a chapter or something now, u'll need to pay online for the membership o!

oloye20:

@Ajanlekoko
Thanks bros, i really needed that. I plan to go for my masters abroad soon, in power, controls and renewable energy. What can you advise me to do, to make my chances of getting a good job and very good exposure in the U.K. better?

Bros, just try to find a good school, and do well.
Everything else will pan out.

How relevant are electrical engineers in oil compnies I am in a dilemma betw choosing a telecoms job and an oil job?? Thanks

p.s. it's not about the pay

oolu:

How relevant are electrical engineers in oil compnies I am in a dilemma betw choosing a telecoms job and an oil job?? Thanks

p.s. it's not about the pay

Maybe you can give a bit more detail.
Electrical engineers are relevant, anywhere engineering is practised. Oil companies, most definitely you have good prospects. Same as telecoms.
What kind of jobs are you being offered in either situation? Let's assume you haven't even decided what you want to do.

How relevant are electrical engineers in oil compnies I am in a dilemma betw choosing a telecoms job and an oil job?? Thanks

p.s. it's not about the pay

If you are after hands on electrical engineering, i think you'll be better in an oil servicing company rather than in E&P. My husband works for a servicing firm and I work for an E&P. As far as I have seen the electrical engineers in E&P generally work as project managers as the actual work gets contracted out to the servicing comps.

naijababe:

If you are after hands on electrical engineering, i think you'll be better in an oil servicing company rather than in E&P. My husband works for a servicing firm and I work for an E&P. As far as I have seen the electrical engineers in E&P generally work as project managers as the actual work gets contracted out to the servicing comps.

@naijababe?
Are either you or your husband engineers? Just asking, no offence meant.
Every graduate engineer does either planning, design, or project management, and in most cases all three. Whether servicing or operations (what you refer to as E&P), or in some other discipline, everything is a project. Including support and maintenance management. And projects are regarded as 'hands on', in every sense of the word.
Every industry also has the 'servicing' and 'operations' relationship. Not just oil and gas. If you are referring to people who fix stuff with their hands, they are most likely technicians.

@ Baba Ajanlekoko

I am a reservoir engineer working for an exploration and production company and due to reserves being the real true assets of these type of companies everything gets done in house so I do everything associated with reservoir engineering. My husband is an instrument and control engineer for an oil servicing company and he gets to do actual design of instruments and controls systems, which my peers in I&C do not get to do (they manage the contractors i.e. the service companies). Not quite sure how to explain it but it's a bit like someone who works for Schlumberger as a driller and someone who works for Shell as a driller, the latter acts as a company man most times ensuring that the Schlumberger does what Shell wants. The former however is responsible for the design, determination of manpower including overseeing the technicians.

naijababe:

@ Baba Ajanlekoko

I am a reservoir engineer working for an exploration and production company and due to reserves being the real true assets of these type of companies everything gets done in house so I do everything associated with reservoir engineering. My husband is an instrument and control engineer for an oil servicing company and he gets to do actual design of instruments and controls systems, which my peers in I&C do not get to do (they manage the contractors i.e. the service companies). Not quite sure how to explain it but it's a bit like someone who works for Schlumberger as a driller and someone who works for Shell as a driller, the latter acts as a company man most times ensuring that the Schlumberger does what Shell wants. The former however is responsible for the design, determination of manpower including overseeing the technicians.

@naijababe, I now get where you're coming from.
But there is still some sort of planning and design element that would be done inhouse, before engaging a Schlumberger, no?
I'd hate to think that the guys in the E&P merely fold their hands and let the vendor implement whatever they want. Even the act of putting company requirements together, I would still regard as an engineering activity. Abi?

@naijababe, I now get where you're coming from.
But there is still some sort of planning and design element that would be done inhouse, before engaging a Schlumberger, no?
I'd hate to think that the guys in the E&P merely fold their hands and let the vendor implement whatever they want. Even the act of putting company requirements together, I would still regard as an engineering activity. Abi?

To an extent yeah depending on the scope of work but mostly what's done is putting company requirements together which I guess you can refer to as engineering activity.