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Re: Uganda Bride Price Refund Outlawed by Sagamite(m): 10:39pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
freecocoa: Are you assuming that most women in Africa make as much money as men do? If the odd situation where they built the house together, did they make equal or anything close to equal contributions? Not even women in the West can dare make such claims, talk less of women in Africa. |
Re: Uganda Bride Price Refund Outlawed by Odunharry(m): 10:40pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
freecocoa:Easy ma'am. .it very rare in this part of the world |
Re: Uganda Bride Price Refund Outlawed by freecocoa(f): 10:57pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
Sagamite:Okay, my bad. Men had most of the rights. Ofcourse they do but women face much more than they do, hence feminism. But if men feel otherwise, they can bring their complains or start a movement. 1 Like |
Re: Uganda Bride Price Refund Outlawed by freecocoa(f): 11:01pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
Odunharry:What is rare? Okay if that's the case? How about all the chores she did? |
Re: Uganda Bride Price Refund Outlawed by Sagamite(m): 11:02pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
freecocoa: That is why feminism is wrong. It is promoted by fuuktards. Their plan is to suppress men's rights. If men decide to start their own movement, do you know what you will get? ................The suppression of women's rights. Because it too would also most likely be hijacked and run by fuuktards. Trust me, you don't want that. You wouldn't be smiling if men decide to retaliate. People should understand what equal rights mean. |
Re: Uganda Bride Price Refund Outlawed by Sagamite(m): 11:03pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
freecocoa: How much does a househelp cost every month? Then that is the value of her chores. 2 Likes |
Re: Uganda Bride Price Refund Outlawed by freecocoa(f): 11:04pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
Sagamite:No, I'm not assuming that, but many women these days make a lot nearer to what men make, some even make more than the men. For all you know, the woman may have made more contribution, I believe it depends on the couple, it's not the same for every marriage. 1 Like |
Re: Uganda Bride Price Refund Outlawed by freecocoa(f): 11:07pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
Sagamite:The cost varies, there's no fixed price for that. She can decide hers costs a million naira per month. |
Re: Uganda Bride Price Refund Outlawed by freecocoa(f): 11:09pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
Sagamite:You agree that men had most of the rights, yet say feminism is wrong? That means you believe it's okay for men to have those rights? 1 Like |
Re: Uganda Bride Price Refund Outlawed by Sagamite(m): 11:10pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
freecocoa: Which women? Iya Apena and Iya Comfort? You think your Lagos City corporate world is representative of Nigeria? Let me remind you. Nigeria has a population of 160m+. Lagos is 21m. Only 4m of this Lagos population are middle-class (i.e. making over $6000 per year). So you can conveniently say more than 110m+ fall out of the bracket you are thinking of. The men are normally the main breadwinner amongst the population. TIA - This is Africa. 1 Like |
Re: Uganda Bride Price Refund Outlawed by Sagamite(m): 11:13pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
freecocoa: Under what logic can she decide that? The same logic I can decide my car is worth $20m and tell the courts to instruct someone that hit me to pay that? What do you think the Judge would tell me if I take such argument to him? freecocoa: You still don't comprehend it? Feminism is for women's rights and aims to suppress men. I said that was senseless and moronic. EQUAL RIGHTS is what it should be! 1 Like |
Re: Uganda Bride Price Refund Outlawed by freecocoa(f): 11:15pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
Sagamite:I won't argue about it, I wholeheartedly agree, the point is that, while you argue that the man should get all the glory for bringing more money, the woman will also argue that her input is worth the same, if not more. 1 Like |
Re: Uganda Bride Price Refund Outlawed by Sagamite(m): 11:20pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
freecocoa: Let me tell you categorically: Her contribution is INFERIOR and worth LESS. I say that without any ounce of ambiguity if all her input are domestics. Are you telling me a housewife sitting at home's contribution is the same or more than the CEO of Shell? Cut that feminist crap. 3 Likes |
Re: Uganda Bride Price Refund Outlawed by freecocoa(f): 11:22pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
Sagamite:Under the the logic that, her contributions are priceless. No, you can't decide that because the value of your car can be estimated. I comprehend na. If men weren't much more favoured, it would be a different story, the rights the men have, overshadows whatever disadvantage they face, which can't be said for the women, that's why the need for speaking up arose. |
Re: Uganda Bride Price Refund Outlawed by freecocoa(f): 11:27pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
Sagamite:They are not in the same business, so you can't compare them both like that. And yea, the wife at home will be more valuable to someone who needs her kind of service. Feminism is not the problem my love and you know it. |
Re: Uganda Bride Price Refund Outlawed by Sagamite(m): 11:28pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
freecocoa: The value of my car can be estimated but the value of her domestics cannot? So you think it is justified to ignore the disadvantages of men but cater for all women's disadvantages and then say it is equal rights? Kai! When I say most women are selfish to the bone, some people would say saying such facts is mysOghenestic. Women are a selfish breed. You are a true woman! "Me! Me! Me! Me!" "What I want" "He should have done this for me" 3 Likes |
Re: Uganda Bride Price Refund Outlawed by Sagamite(m): 11:30pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
freecocoa: So because a mechanic is not in the same business as a CEO of Amazon, I can't compare and say which one is worth more? There is no service a woman at home can provide that a man can not buy ....................... at a cheaper price. Feminism is a disgrace that should be attacked. 3 Likes |
Re: Uganda Bride Price Refund Outlawed by freecocoa(f): 11:34pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
Sagamite:Yes na, it's not just the domestic chores, how do you estimate emotional support? The times he's needed her advice, her intelligence etc nko? Do you put a price on that? Seems you are not getting the point, ok let's take it one at a time. You agreed that men had(even still have) MOST of the rights, is that equal rights? |
Re: Uganda Bride Price Refund Outlawed by freecocoa(f): 11:37pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
Sagamite:Worth more in what sense actually? If that's the case, why not pay for all those services? Why marry? Saves you the trouble, doesn't it? Feminism is the best thing to happen to women. |
Re: Uganda Bride Price Refund Outlawed by Sagamite(m): 11:39pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
freecocoa: Emotional support? Where do you buy and pay for that? Amazon? Abi na Ebay? If anyone needs to be paid for emotional support, it is the man. Women need and collect it more than men. People don't pay for emotional support or love. It is free. It is ridiculous to argue it is something to be paid for. No one goes to ask for it. If it is offered, it is free commodity. It is even less reclaimable than charitable donations. If I have a car accident and someone comes to help and support me, I don't have to pay for it. You sure argue like woman. No, it is not equal rights. Next question. 3 Likes |
Re: Uganda Bride Price Refund Outlawed by Sagamite(m): 11:44pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
freecocoa: Worth more in financial terms. I don't know why men are dumb enough to still continue marrying. This guy said it all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN7tF8W1B2E |
Re: Uganda Bride Price Refund Outlawed by ApexTitan(m): 11:47pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
freecocoa: And yet many of women were shocked to see the freebleeding ladies in that thread yesterday. (https://www.nairaland.com/2503999/free-bleeding-new-era-feminism) Well at least the Nïpple has been freed too, thanks to feminism. |
Re: Uganda Bride Price Refund Outlawed by freecocoa(f): 11:49pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
Sagamite:R eally? So why is it a big deal that he cared for her monetary and otherwise? Was it not a gift he offered? I am not really arguing it is something to be paid for, I am trying to tell you how it's wrong to want to put a price on the woman. I am a woman and proud, you on the other hand is acting like there's something wrong with that. If it's not equal rights, why then are you against women fighting to have that? |
Re: Uganda Bride Price Refund Outlawed by freecocoa(f): 11:51pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
Sagamite:So it all about the money then. I see. To each his own. You should speak for yourself alone. |
Re: Uganda Bride Price Refund Outlawed by freecocoa(f): 11:56pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
ApexTitan:It's really annoying and disappointing at the same time, when you people come up with such nonsense to deride feminism, if a couple of nut jobs who think it's okay to bleed and not do something about it, say so, what does it have to do with feminism biko nu? Anybody can be a feminist, it is not a movement that defines people's individual characteristics, it just cares about women's right. You people should know the difference. 1 Like |
Re: Uganda Bride Price Refund Outlawed by Sagamite(m): 11:58pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
freecocoa: Yes, it is a gift. I never said it should be reclaimed. I am also not putting a price on a woman. You are the one trying to by claiming domestics are worth the same as the bread being brought home by the breadwinner or emotional support have to be paid for. I am not saying anything is wrong being a women, I am just telling you what majority of women are like: Selfish! I am aware of it and am comfortable dealing with it. I am not a mugu and never bury my head in the sand. I ensure I too maintain my best interest, unlike mugu "real men" that think it is their duty to maintain a women's best interest at the detriment of their own interest. Those are the kinds of fuuktards that normally end up murdering their wives/girlfriends if she burns them. Because they have invested too much at their detriment and get annoyed she just discarded it. I just smile because I always know what I am dealing with when it comes to females (selfish and responsibility-phobic sapiens with a sense of entitlement) and prepare myself because my love has exploited the 2-for-1 offers at Specsavers. It aint fcking blind. I am against feminism because it is not fighting for equal rights, it is fighting for women getting an advantage. Take for example, Wimbledon Tennis. How can women do less work, attract less revenue but still argue that they should be paid the same as men because paying men (that do more work and attract more revenue) more money is "sexist"? That is the handiwork of feminism for you? Women should get an advantage. Some ediots are doing less work but want equal pay? 1 Like |
Re: Uganda Bride Price Refund Outlawed by Sagamite(m): 12:03am On Aug 07, 2015 |
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Re: Uganda Bride Price Refund Outlawed by Sagamite(m): 12:03am On Aug 07, 2015 |
freecocoa: What we are discussing here is the transaction of women. The fuuktard Justices in the Ugandan Supreme Courts just said it is constitutional to buy women, but it is unconstitutional to ask for a refund. Pure moronic fuuktards! |
Re: Uganda Bride Price Refund Outlawed by freecocoa(f): 12:09am On Aug 07, 2015 |
Sagamite:You brought it up by putting a price to what the man does in the first place and that's because you are thinking about money. It's best left as them playing their roles and they are both priceless and important. I don't agree with the Wimbledon policy, I don't really know how the pay system works but I think it should be according to output, although that will be unfair to women as men are physically stronger but still paying them same for different work is unfair to men, at best, the men's sets should be reduced. That is not the handiwork of feminism, it is the handiwork of a group of selfish individuals, I don't believe women should always be at advantage. |
Re: Uganda Bride Price Refund Outlawed by freecocoa(f): 12:11am On Aug 07, 2015 |
Sagamite:I am with you on this one. Although when what you bought is over used and worn out, it's unreasonable to ask for a refund. |
Re: Uganda Bride Price Refund Outlawed by bukatyne(f): 12:14am On Aug 07, 2015 |
Sagamite: @Bold: What does it mean to you @OP: It is not straight forward. First, What does Bride Price symbolize in their culture? Speaking from a Yoruba POV, BP (w hich is not money but gifts) are brought by the groom's family as a guest and hosted by the bride's family as a host hence the bride's family handles the reception. Often times, the cost of hosting would be more than the engagement stuffs but when you throw in the attire, hall, decor etc, they might balance. I think demanding a refund of BP is simplistic as both parties invested into the marriage until it collapsed. Even If you return the BP, you cannot return the man's pains, sacrifices, loving, caring ditto the woman's in the marriage. Perhaps they request a refund because the men invest everything during the wedding rites/ceremony. In all, expecting to see a spike in divorce. |
Re: Uganda Bride Price Refund Outlawed by Sagamite(m): 12:18am On Aug 07, 2015 |
freecocoa: No they are not both priceless. They can both be priced. There is a valuation process that is apt. You are only arguing they are priceless because you are a woman and you are looking for an argument that benefits women. Domestics is less valuable than bringing the bacon home. It is valuable but less valuable. As for Wimbledon, payment should be based on the revenue you generate for the event, just like any other entertainment event. Under such rules, men would earn more. But they were harassed as sexist by feminists until they gave people doing less work equal pay because that is what feminists see as "equal rights". |
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