This thread, A.K.O?

the fact is that there is no contradiction in the bible. it depends on the reader's level of understanding and the purpose of reading it. if you read with the aim of finding contradictions you will find many. if you read with the aim of finding accuracies you will find many. if you read to derive benefits you will find abundant benefits. nothing less is expected of a book written by men under god inspiration for almost 1600years. it was written by men like us under inspiration, people who experienced what we are experiencing, i mean for humans and not by angels who does not live on earth like us. that makes it more practical for us as humans.

the fact is that there is no contradiction in the bible. it depends on the reader's level of understanding and the purpose of reading it. if you read with the aim of finding contradictions you will find many. if you read with the aim of finding accuracies you will find many. if you read to derive benefits you will find abundant benefits. nothing less is expected of a book written by men under god inspiration for almost 1600years. it was written by men like us under inspiration, people who experienced what we are experiencing, i mean for humans and not by angels who does not live on earth like us. that makes it more practical for us as humans.

@allmuslims, ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS, 1) EES-MA-(EL) FOR HEBREW LANGUAGE,ISH-MA-(EL) FOR THE ENGLISH,AND IS-MA-(IL) THOSE IN BRACKET MEANS GOD, THEN TELL ME WHERE IS ALLAH IN THOSE WORDS IF YOUR MOHAMAD CLAIMED ALLAH TO BE SUPREME MASTER AND CREATOR.SECOND QUESTIONS IS THIS 2), (ILAH)U ABAINA means WHAT and THIS , IBNU L(ILAH) means WHAT. DO YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE GOD . THROUGH THAT QUESTION S YOU WILL KNOW WHO YOU ARE SERVING. looking for a contractions in book can't make you see the light until you reasons withing yourself about the questions setting above . ANSWER THAT IF YOUR ALLAH IS REAL AND IF YOU CAN'T ANSWER THAT, THAT MEANS YOU ARE ON A WRONG PATH .PLEASE OPEN YOUR EYES

Where did you get this long forgotten ebook. Read it sometime ago but what does it pay you to discover the flaws of the Bible. I don't believe that anything of this world is flawless. The old testament to me is mainly jewish history and some might not have been recorded well. Apart from that if you look at the sayings critically you'll see that it's something recorded by different people from their understanding. That's why you must read critically to be able to grasp the true meanings of the word of God.

See them talking about contradictions in the Bible. There are countless fallacies in the Koran, and I have been giving them headaches. Anybody is welcome to enjoy the show (see as they raise various lies and I tear them down with evidence).

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-349654.96.html#msg4907784

@all muslims, AM CHALLENGING THE HIGHEST AUTHORITY IN THE ISLAMIC SECT TO ANSWER IF NONE THEY SHOULD KEEP QUIET AD ACCEPT THAT THEY ARE SERVING DEAD god A STONE FOR THAT MATTER. OKAY THIS IS MY QUESTION, THE TERM EL IS REFERRING AS IL IN WHICH WE CAN LOOK AS EXAMPLES NOW LETS CHECK THESE OUT, THE WORD ISHAMEL WILL SIMPLY GOES LIKE THIS EES-MA-(EL) IN HEBREW , ISH-MA-(EL) IN ENGLISH , IS-MA-(IL) IN ARABIAN . THE NAME MEAN GOD LISTEN OR GOD HEAR THOSE IN BRACKET MEANS GOD. BUT NOW WHERE IS ALLAH IN THOSE WORD , SECOND EXAMPLE GABRIEL GOES LIKE THIS GABRI-(EL) IN ENGLISH , JIBR-(IL) IN ARABIAN THE NAME MEANS STRENGTH OF GOD SO PLEASE SHOW ME ALLAH IN THAT WORD.OKAY IF YOU CAN'T JUST KNEEL DOWN AND CRY FOR GOD INTERVENTION IN YOUR LIFE.

See these deluded folks. . .lol!

Answer this OP first, and then we'll engage in your other posting.

You don't think questions can be answered with questions right. You must be a child

What a pikin, the bible is a scam

Qur'an Contradiction:

Gabriel, the Holy Spirit, Confirmation and Pure Arabic



Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel -
for he brings down the (revelation) to thy heart by Allah's will,
a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings
for those who believe, - , 
-- Sura 2:97



When We substitute one revelation for another, -
and Allah knows best what He reveals, - they say,
"Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not.


Say, the Holy Spirit has brought
the revelation from thy Lord in Truth,
in order to strengthen those who believe,
and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.


We know indeed that they say,
"It is a man that teaches him."
The tongue of him they wickedly point to
is notably foreign,
while this is Arabic, pure and clear.
-- Sura 16:101-103

This gives three contradictions:

First, 2:97 says that it is the (angel) Gabriel who brings down the revelation from Allah to Muhammad, while 16:102 says it is the Holy Spirit. BECAUSE of these two verses Muslims usually identify the Holy Spirit with Gabriel and say that this is just another name for Gabriel. However, in another context they completely forget that they have made this identification already since they ALSO want Muhammad to be the Holy Spirit and Comforter promised by Jesus in John 14-16 in order to desperately find a prophecy of Muhammad as claimed in Sura 61:6. But obviously the Holy Spirit cannot be both, he cannot be Gabriel and Muhammad at the same time. That is, unless Muslims believe Gabriel is Muhammad!


[There has been a Muslim response to this observation by Moiz Amjad. Sam Shamoun has two detailed and carefully argued articles on the issue: Is "the Holy Spirit" only another name for the Angel Gabriel?, The Quranic Confusion Concerning Identity of the Spirit and Gabriel]
Second, in Sura 2:97 the Qur'an claims to be a confirmation of the earlier revelation (as it does in many other verses), while in Sura 16:101 the Qur'an is viewed as "substituting" the earlier revelations. And the people call him a forgerer exactly because it does not fit together with the established revelation of God.

What is Muhammad's answer? "They just don't understand" (verse 101).

Third, despite the fact that 16:103 says "this is Arabic, pure and clear" — a statement that is supposedly refuting those who say Muhammad learned his message from a human teacher who was not fluent in Arabic —, the Qur'an contains words and phrases that belong to other languages. Just two of many examples:

"Pharaoh" comes from the Egyptian language and means king or potentate. The word for "king" in Arabic is different.

"Injil", which means "gospel" = "good news", comes from the Greek language. The correct word in Arabic is "bisharah".

For a detailed treatment of this topic, see the scholarly work, The Foreign Vocabulary of the Qur'an by the late scholar Arthur Jeffery.



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A Muslim's Response by Shaahin Amiri-Sharifi
Date: Wed Nov 27 00:19 EST 1996



this is to answer:
--Three contradictions in 16:101-103 ,

--according to muslim belief, based on quran,
"gabriel" is the name for "holy spirit" the dearest
angle of god. and it is NOT the prophet. it is also
mentioned in quran as (angle) "rouh" , meaning spirit.

about john 14:16, the verse never mentiones the comforter
is holy spirit. if it is a christian interpretation of
the verse (John 14:16) i adont know about that, but
what muslims say is that, this comforter is mohamed(pbuh).

so if christians believe that "comforter" is holy spirit,
and muslims belive that "comforter" is mohamed(pbuh), this
does NOT result in that holy spirit is mohamed(pbuh)!
you are reffering to oposite sides to get a result.

regarding 2:97 and 16:101, and "confirmation" of the
earlier revelations and at the same time "substituting" them,
quran does confirm earlier revelations (not the changed
vertion of them of course!), and please note that
the word translated as "substituting" means rather
"transforming" and not substituting . and what is meant
is like "updating". point is, islam is the religion of
adam (pbuh) to mohamed (pbuh), but in different levels.
it was "updated" untill it reached the final form which
was brought by mohamed (pbuh). so while maintainig the
same spirit, it was "transformed" to what it is now.
i hope this explanation makes the situation clear!

about quran being in "pure" arabic. yet another
misunderestanding of quran caused by looking a "translated"
copy rather than arabic! the word "mobeen" means clear with
explanation, understandable, NOT pure (in the way you
percieve). and of course it is not in pure arabic.
there is no "pure" language at all! in every language you
can find the trace of other languages, older or contemporary
ones.

shaahin




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I have read that Muslims believe all of the revealed books are exact copies from (part) of the book kept by God in heaven, [not sure if that is Qur'anic, but it is tradition]. If it is being "updated" one might wonder if the tablets in heaven became updated too,  And how can God and his word be perfect if his word needs "updating"?

I am often amazed how utterly unable Yusuf Ali seems to be in his translation,  Yes, I do know I read a translation, but please, do give me a translation you think is a good one and I will then argue based on that translation. If you say it is not translatable, then why would I believe that you can give a better translation for the word above than Ali gives? Anyway. Let us look at the context and not just at one word. Isn't the point that verse 103 makes exactly that it cannot originate from this person charged to be behind the forgery, because this person is a foreigner, not speaking pure Arabic, while the Qur'an is pure Arabic? If this means not "pure" then the whole point that this verse is trying to make falls to the ground. There is no reason why a foreigner cannot explain and speak "clearly" and "understandably". The contrast is "that this foreigner doesn't speak pure Arabic" with the "purity of the language of the Qur'an". And this is exactly what Yusuf Ali says in his footnote 2143: ",  They must need to postulate some human teacher. Unfortunately for their postulate, any possible human teacher they could think of would be poor in Arabic speech if he had all the knowledge that the Qur'an reveals of previous revelations. Apart from that, even the most eloquent Arab could not, and cannot, produce anything of the eloquence, width and depth of the Qur'anic teaching, as is evident from every verse of the Book." (That is quite an exaggeration in itself, I cannot resist to add.)

But let us assume this word does mean "clear and understandable". Then you are only trading in one contradiction for another.


He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah.
And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.
-- Sura 3:7
If this verse says anything, then it is this: There are verses in the Qur'an which are far from clear in their meaning.
Art thou the King of the Jews?
-Pontius Pilate

I will cite 3 cases I personally checked and found bogus:

90. To whom did the Midianites sell Joseph?
To the Ishmaelites (Genesis 37:28)
To Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh (Genesis 37:36)

Genesis 37: 28 states that Joseph was sold to the Ishmaelites (not the Midianites who were mentioned as passing by) this is corroborated in Genesis 39: 1 where it is stated that Potiphar bought Joseph from the Ishmaelites who took him to Egypt. Going by Gen 37: 28 & Gen 37: 36 it can be reasonably inferred that the Ishmaelites were travelling with a band of Midianite traders. In the footnote of my Bible (Spirit Filled Life Bible NKJV) it is mentioned that the Israelites took the Midianites to be the same tribe as the Ishmaelites (though the Midianites where descendants of Abraham by Keturah) hence the conflation in Genesis 37:36.

94. Who killed Goliath?
David (I Samuel 17:23, 50)
Elhanan (2 Samuel 21:19)

In the 2nd passage (i.e 2 Samuel 21:19) it states that Elhanan killed the brother of Goliath.

95. Who killed Saul?
Saul took his own sword and fell upon it, Thus Saul died, (I Samuel 31:4-6)
An Amalekite slew him (2 Samuel 1:1- 16)

Please read the Bible in context. Incidentally, I was using the Spirit-Filled Life Bible (NKJV) and there was a footnote that addressed this conundrum. The account given by the Amalekite was a false story for the purpose of gaining King David's favour. Unfortunately, it backfired. The real account was mentioned in the first passage (i.e 1 Samuel 31: 4-6) Keep in mind the fact that the Amalekites story is suspicious because he never accounted for the king's armor-bearer who is ALWAYS beside the king during battle.