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Re: Threatening Children With Hell.. by hahn(m): 9:35am On Sep 29, 2015 |
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Re: Threatening Children With Hell.. by RobinHez(m): 9:44am On Sep 29, 2015 |
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Re: Threatening Children With Hell.. by hahn(m): 9:49am On Sep 29, 2015 |
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Re: Threatening Children With Hell.. by RobinHez(m): 9:56am On Sep 29, 2015 |
hahn:lol...its much easier now¡ i also run a website and i'm planing to use part of the comissions i rceive to buy a domain to switch to wordpress |
Re: Threatening Children With Hell.. by hahn(m): 9:59am On Sep 29, 2015 |
RobinHez: Fill me in on the process abeg. What's the name of your website? Getting a domain name is quite cheap and you can get a nice 1years domain and hosting plan for about N3,000. Are you familiar with building with wp? |
Re: Threatening Children With Hell.. by Nobody: 10:02am On Sep 29, 2015 |
hahn:hahahahahaha haven't you noticed that i have also decreased my activities in the science section? I am also looking for money nah. also, i've been stuck on a mathematical problem. Which i want to create a thread from. Don't mind robinhez jare. I guess he hasn't heard of multitasking. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Threatening Children With Hell.. by RobinHez(m): 10:02am On Sep 29, 2015 |
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Re: Threatening Children With Hell.. by RobinHez(m): 10:04am On Sep 29, 2015 |
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Re: Threatening Children With Hell.. by Nobody: 10:20am On Sep 29, 2015 |
RobinHez:oh puhlease. Not if you are the almighty teempakguy. Most of the time, when i'm cracking jokes here, i am als on quora, youtube, cooking a meal, washing plates, watching tv, solving a math problem, whatsapping, programming . . . Doing thought experiments . . . All simultaneously. And i never loose track. Haven't you ever wondered why my battery always dies early? |
Re: Threatening Children With Hell.. by RobinHez(m): 10:26am On Sep 29, 2015 |
there he goes again! Teempakguy: |
Re: Threatening Children With Hell.. by hahn(m): 10:34am On Sep 29, 2015 |
Teempakguy: |
Re: Threatening Children With Hell.. by hahn(m): 10:35am On Sep 29, 2015 |
RobinHez: What's the link to your blog? |
Re: Threatening Children With Hell.. by RobinHez(m): 10:40am On Sep 29, 2015 |
hahn:just google edscience blog u'd see it... |
Re: Threatening Children With Hell.. by Nobody: 11:02am On Sep 29, 2015 |
RobinHez:. . . FACEPALM. |
Re: Threatening Children With Hell.. by K9blunt(f): 2:12pm On Sep 29, 2015 |
johnydon22: am sorry for quoting this lengthy post, but I want to get your attention. though am not a fan of religion, but I think most humans need religion to keep them in place. there are many lost people in this world, their thinking is " how am I suppose to live without God?", "am not always like this, the devil got into me and I did what I did", "am too scared, there must be a place for me on the afterlife, I can't just die like that". etc. it takes a lot of guts and one has to fight their inner demons to be free from this fictional belief of a God! if not they become more lost and resort to anarchical behaviors that will inconvenience the lives of people like you and me. in this life, there must be a balance good - evil life - death love - hate happiness - sadness etc. imagine if everyone started thinking like you and/or me, as humans we will always look for problems to create and solutions to solve them. so its necessary to leave these so-called religious people for us to learn from them to better ourselves and for amusement.........lol. 1 Like |
Re: Threatening Children With Hell.. by dalaman: 2:38pm On Sep 29, 2015 |
K9blunt: I used to think like that but not any more, I live in Germany. The people here do not believe in God but they are doing morally better than we Nigerians that mostly believe in God. People can and have been thought to be morally upright and find meaning in life without any need for God. 1 Like |
Re: Threatening Children With Hell.. by K9blunt(f): 2:49pm On Sep 29, 2015 |
dalaman: hmn ok if you say so, but I heard the president (or so) of Germany is a deeper life lady, is it true? |
Re: Threatening Children With Hell.. by johnydon22(m): 3:02pm On Sep 29, 2015 |
K9blunt:[b]As you may have noticed this thread was not an attack on any religion but was a call to save the Children from the psychologically induced fear of a burning place of punishment. Our children do not deserve such threats neither should we subject them to such abuse because it is wrong. @Bolded, i totally agree with this of which i addressed in one of my threads https://www.nairaland.com/2528015/unbeliever-why-bother-good It is true that many people lack the independent will and self reliance it takes to shape their actions and so tends to rely on abstract concepts to derive foundation, this is a fact and i don't have a problem with that. But first of all we should not forget or overlook how these set of people came to fully dependent on vague concepts for moral foundation, it is as a result of Child indoctrination. In reply to this i would quote my reply to Dalaman " think this is so because humans have always been taught there is need for a catch to coerce the mind to conformity, this shouldn't be so." So that people think they need religion to fall in place is because they have been indoctrinated to think so, they have been indoctrinated to see a punishment and reward scheme as the basis of human morality. I am only interested in saving our Children from this abusive use of fear or perhaps get any sound mind out there to give this a thought. . [/b] Exactly and this also was because they have been taught, coerced and indoctrinated with these ideas at a very young age. Teaching a young mind is like bringing a metal to a magnet, they are not able to sieve between what they find to be plausible or not, a child's mind accept this ideas and this idea sticks with him/her all his life unless on few occasions the painful emergence of independent reason takes over.. If children were not impacted, threatened and coerced into these ideas at a very young age am sure you agree with me they won't have the mindset as above.. [b]This correct, the emergence of reason in the early stage is a lonely and scary one and most time painful and confusing. My posts are always an appeal to the mind to weigh and scrutinize that which it has held onto as a child.. If children were never taught that the basis of human morality should be heaven or hell they wouldn't hold that mindset as an adult. I totally lack belief in these barbaric and selfish concept as heaven or hell but i am not a serial killer neither do i go about raping girls affirming that morality is a human trait. Belief in a God has not always worked to the betterment of the society, take Nigeria for example where almost 98% of her citizens are religious, if religions is synonymous to morality Nigeria would have been a moral utopia but the reverse is the case. The moral decay in the society, the barbaric actions of a few in the name of God (like boko haram, fraudulent pastors) affirms belief in a God or the lay of punishment and reward scheme do not necessarily ensure morality. I am only of the opinion that the young ones should be taught goodness as a human obligation towards others and not a means to an end, a ploy to ensure reward or to escape punishment, that is selfishness And more over threatening them wit these ideas of a burning fire is an abusive way of ensuring conformity because it throws them into a psychological fear of what is not there. . I have been a victim of this..[/b] This is correct and this is life. Joys and pains tears and smiles Happiness and sadness up and down left and right Life and death These concepts are what keeps everything in balance, this is what life is about. they all negate each other and so are dependent on each other for meaning... Though most people just want the better half ..lol..
My discussions on religions have always been a means to teach and learn, to pave ways of new ideas into young minds. To instill independent reason and basis of self will into vibrant minds and most of all lessen the disturbing effects such beliefs might have on our society. Most of all the subjection of innocent children to psychological fear and threat. .I find this disturbing and would speak against it when ever i can. Nobody can ever think like others, diversity of human thinking have been a thing of wonder to human learning. I in no way advising any to abandon theism, No. Rather i am trying to get them to weight disturbing ideas that are unhealthy to the mind and maybe probably discard these ideas... |
Re: Threatening Children With Hell.. by Krystalzkris(f): 3:11pm On Sep 29, 2015 |
hahn:lol.. and he still covered her so she would not be prosecuted for getting pregnant out of wedlock.. morally upright god indeed |
Re: Threatening Children With Hell.. by johnydon22(m): 1:58am On Dec 02, 2015 |
Krystalzkris: I think covering her was actually a good thing because the laws of moses which the jews adhered to stipulates death by stoning. So covering her up was actually good if you ask me because she would have been stoned to death. I can't really fathom how these in these ancient times regard murdering someone in a way as cruel as stoning to be a more moral deed than an adult having sex and getting pregnant out of wedlock. I don't understand how killing is a better and desired moral action than Sex. Muslims still practice this barbarism in today's world unfortunately |
Re: Threatening Children With Hell.. by johnydon22(m): 12:25pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
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Re: Threatening Children With Hell.. by promisechuks: 9:22pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
johnydon22:Man, I feel your pain anyway. They threatened you with hell. Unfortunately you met DEVILISH and HERETIC gospel preachers. They preach wrath, but still they themselves, through their right living cannot escape the wrath. I was also told that bad people will go to hell but good people will go to heaven. At a point I wanted to doubt God, and I had an encounter that showed me the amazing mind of God for me. Sincerely speaking. I never know that I can be Justified before God without even keeping the law. The truth: HEAVEN IS NOT FOR GOOD PEOPLE rather for people who BELIEVE(faith alone) that their sins have been forgiven through christ. Any gospel that tells you "faith+right living=eternal life" is OF THE DEVIL HIMSELF. Eternal life=faith is christ's finished work ALONE - with NO works. I will help you with some 101 scriptural evidence 1. Eph. 2:8-9 - "For BY GRACE are ye SAVED THROUGH FAITH; and that NOT OF YOURSELVES: it is the GIFT of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast." 2. Rom. 4:6-7 - God imputes "Righteousness without works." 3. Rom. 10:3 - It's a grave mistake for anyone to try to, "Establish their own righteousness." 4. Rom. 5:17 - Heaven deserving righteousness is a "GIFT," not something you earn. 5. Rom. 5:18 - Justification to God is a "FREE GIFT," not something you work toward. 6. Phil. 3:9 - Paul, as ‘good’ as he was, still wouldn't trust his "Own righteousness" to save him. 7. Rom. 3:22 - God's righteousness is credited to "ALL THEM THAT BELIEVE," not all that work. 8. Rom. 8:3-4 - The flesh is too "Weak" to save itself. We need a Saviour. We need Christ. 9. Rom. 4:3 - Abraham's faith, not works, "Was counted unto him for righteousness." 10. Rom. 4:4-5 - Works are "Not reckoned of grace, but of debt." Faith is counted as righteousness. 11. Gal. 3:10 - To earn Heaven you'd have to "Continueth," perfectly, in the whole law and if you can't keep the whole of it(10 commandments and 600+laws) you are under curse. Only faith is needed. 12. Titus 3:5 - "NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost." 13. John 5:24 - In Christ we've "PASSED from death unto life." We don't have to "wait" to find out. 14. Rom. 9:31-32 - Israel, "Sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law." 15. Acts 4:12 - No other name but Christ can save us-- not the name of works, nor our own name. 16. John 1:12-13 - Only God's power, through His Son, makes us a child of God. We are not born into God's family by "Blood" (heritage, family ‘pedigree’), "Nor will of the flesh" (good works), "Nor will of man." (minister, or man made religion), "But of God." 17. Isa. 45:22 - No one else can save a soul from Hell but God; "There is none else." 18. Acts 13:39 - "And by him [Christ] all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye COULD NOT BE JUSTIFIED by the law of Moses." 19. Rom. 8:7 - We can't follow God's law even if we wanted to. So how can we save ourselves? 20. Matthew 7:21-23 - Christ describes a future scene in which some who are trusting in their "Many wonderful works," will, sadly, be told by Christ: "I never knew you: depart from me, Ye that work iniquity." Their good works will not save them. We all have to trust Christ, and Him ALONE. 21. John 10:1 - We must enter through Christ, "THE DOOR," not by "Some other way.." 22. John 8:24 - A person can work all they want, but it won't save them. Jesus said the bottom line is that, "If ye believe not that I am he [the only way], ye shall die in your sins." 23. Rom. 4:2 - If Abraham could have saved himself, he'd have something to brag about. 24. Acts 10:1-43 - Cornelius' good works would put anyone today to shame, yet he still had to get saved by trusting solely in Christ to save him. 25. Rom. 3:27-28 - "Where is boasting then?...Of WORKS? nay." 26. 1 John 5:13 - If your salvation depends on a lifetime of good works, then why does the Bible teach that you could "KNOW" for sure, before you die, that you are going to Heaven? The answer is because salvation doesn't depend on you, but on Christ, who ALREADY paid the price for your sins. 27. Heb. 1:3 - "He had BY HIMSELF purged our sins." He doesn't need help from us! 28. Heb. 2:3 - If we have to work at earning it, why does the Bible call it "So great salvation"? 29. Heb. 2:9-10 - Christ is "The CAPTAIN of their salvation." He tasted "Death for every man." 30. Heb. 2:14-15 - Christ is the one who will "DELIVER" us from death, not ourselves! 31. Heb. 2:17 - Christ makes "RECONCILIATION for the sins." We can't reconcile ourselves. 32. Heb. 5:9 - Christ is "The AUTHOR of eternal salvation," not us! It's not in our hands. 33. Gal. 2:16 - "Knowing that a man IS NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, ....that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and NOT by the WORKS of the law: FOR BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED." 34. Heb. 9:28 - "Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many." God won't accept good works. 35. Heb. 10:10-12 - Christ's body was offered "Once for all." So stop insulting God with your works. 36. Heb. 10:14 - "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them." STOP WORKING at it! 37. Heb. 10:17-18 - "There is no more offering for sin." So stop offering your good works. 38. 2 Cor. 1:9 - "We should not trust in ourselves, but in God," who has ALREADY paid the price. 39. 2 Cor. 1:10 - Christ "Delivered us from so great a death." He had to; we can't deliver ourselves. 40. Eph. 1:12-13 - You are saved by trusting in Christ, and, "After that believed, ye were SEALED." 41. Jer. 17:5 - "Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm." 42. Job 25:4 - "How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?" (For God's answer, see Isaiah 1:18) 43. Isa. 12:2 - "Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust." Don't trust good works, trust the Saviour. 44. Luke 18:9-14 - Jesus gives a parable teaching that self righteousness WILL NOT save a person. 45. Ezek. 33:13 - "If he trust to his own righteousness..." He better be perfectly sinless or else! 46. John 14:6 - Jesus said, "I am THE WAY...no man cometh unto the Father, BUT BY ME." 47. 1 Tim. 2:5-6 - There's ONLY "One mediator between God and men," Jesus Christ, not ourselves. 48. Col. 2:14 - Christ took our sin debt, "Nailing it to his cross." It's ALREADY paid for! 49. John 19:30 - While on the cross, Christ said, "It is finished." It's paid. We don't have to work for it. 50. Matt. 11:28-30 - Christ offers "REST" to all those working at trying to earn their way to Heaven. 51. Isa. 53:4-6 - Christ was, "WOUNDED FOR OUR transgressions." Why? So WE don't have to be. 52. Heb. 4:9-10 - The person who accepts Christ as Saviour, "Hath CEASED from his own works." 53. Gal. 2:21 - If you could earn Heaven, why did Christ die? "Then Christ is dead in vain." 54. Rom. 3:20 - "Therefore by the deeds of the law there SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." 55. Gal. 5:1-4 - "Christ hath made us free." He had to; we can't free ourselves, no matter how "good." 56. 2 Tim. 1:10 - "Our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death," with no help from us. 57. 1 John 4:14 - Christ was sent, "To be the Saviour of the world"; we couldn't save ourselves. 58. 1 Tim. 4:10 - "The Saviour of ALL men." Why try to save yourself? You already have a Saviour. 59. Acts 16:30-31 - When the Philippian jailer asked, "What must I do to be saved?" Paul didn't say, keep the Ten Commandments, but rather, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved." 60. Luke 7:49-50 - Christ told the woman: "Thy faith hath saved thee," not thy works! 61. Eph. 1:7 - "Redemption through HIS BLOOD, the forgiveness of sins," not through our works. 62. 1 Pet. 1:3-5 - "According to his abundant MERCY," not according to our good deeds. 63. Rev. 1:5 - Christ, "Washed us from our sins in his own blood"; can't wash ourselves with works. 64. Titus 3:7 - We are "Justified by his grace," not by our good deeds, baptism, or church membership. 65. Titus 2:11 - "The grace of God that BRINGETH SALVATION hath appeared to ALL MEN." 66. Eph. 4:32 - We are forgiven, "For Christ's sake," not because of our good behavior. 67. Eph. 2:4-5 - "(By grace ye are saved)," not by works. The two DON'T mix according to Rom. 11:6. 68. Acts 26:18 - "Through this man [Christ]...forgiveness of sins," not through our efforts! 69. Heb. 7:25 - Only Christ is "Able to save." Only He can "Make INTERCESSION for them." 70. Rom. 3:10 - "There is none righteous, no, not one." So how can anyone save themselves? 71. Rom. 3:12 - "There is none that doeth good, no, not one." So how can anyone save themselves? 72. Eccl. 7:20 - "There is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good." Can anyone save themselves? 73. Rom. 4:25 - Christ has already died for our sins. He, "Was delivered for our offences and raised again FOR OUR JUSTIFICATION." So what role does a person play in their own salvation? 74. Rom. 5:10 - "We are reconciled to God by the death of his Son," not by the fruits of our works. 75. John 6:28-29 - "Then said they unto him, WHAT SHALL WE DO, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, THIS IS THE WORK OF GOD, THAT YE BELIEVE ON HIM whom he hath sent." 76. 1 Pet. 3:18 - "Suffered for us...that HE might bring us to God." Do we have to help Him save us? Didn't He suffer enough to pay the price? Heb. 7:25 says He did. He saves to "The uttermost." 77. Matt. 5:20 - Your self-righteousness would have to surpass that of the Pharisees-- Impossible! But possible by faith ALONE in christ because the righteousness of Jesus is perfect and not ours. 78. 1 John 2:2 - Christ, "Is the propitiation [payment]...for the sins of the whole world." If He can pay for the sins of the whole world, why would He need our help in saving us-- mere individuals? 79. Rom. 8:8 - "They that are in the flesh cannot please God." So what chance does anyone have? 80. Rom. 3:23-25 - Through Christ's death we are "Justified freely" (made right with God). His death provides: "Redemption" (we are bought back to God), "Propitiation" (a settlement of our sin debt), "Remission [forgiveness] of sins." It's all by God's "Grace" not our works. 81. James 2:10-11 - "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in ONE POINT, he is guilty of all." We can't possibly save ourselves; God demands sinless perfection. We need a Saviour. 82. Romans 5:8-9 - We are "Justified by his blood," not our good works. That's why "When we were sinners, Christ died for us." Therefore, "We shall be saved from wrath through him." 83. Matt. 18:11 - Jesus came "To save that which was lost [us]." Why? Because we can't save ourselves. Otherwise, why send Christ to die for our sins if we could pay for them ourselves? 84. Acts 15:10-11 - "Through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved," not through works. Grace is not works; works is not grace, as explained in Rom. 11:6 85. 2 Cor. 5:21 - "Christ was made sin for us...that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." Why trust our own "righteousness" if God offers to impute us His righteousness? (Rom. 4:22-24) 86. Matt. 19:25-26 - "When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, WHO THEN CAN BE SAVED? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, WITH MEN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE; but with God all things are possible." 87. Rom. 5:1 - "Therefore being JUSTIFIED BY FAITH, we have PEACE WITH GOD through our Lord Jesus Christ." There can be no real peace when a person spends their life wondering if they have done enough good works. Peace is knowing it's been paid for ALREADY. 88. 2 Tim. 1:9 - "Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began." God had a "payment plan" ready before any of us were even alive to work! 89. Rom. 10:9-13 - "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus [i.e. Repent], and shalt believe in thine heart [i.e. Trust] that God hath raised him from the dead, THOU SHALT BE SAVED ...For whosoever shall CALL upon the name of the Lord SHALL BE SAVED." 90. Rom. 11:6 - "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace." 91. Gal. 1:4, 92. Rom. 1:16, 93. Gal. 3:21, 94. Heb. 9:22, 95. 1 Tim. 2:6, 96. Acts 10:43, 97. Isa. 43:11, 98. Gal. 3:24, 99. Heb. 9:12-14, 100. 1 Tim. 1:15, 101. Heb. 6:1 1 Like |
Re: Threatening Children With Hell.. by vooks: 10:52pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
johnydon22: This is another thinly veiled antitheistic rant. The best you can do to your kid is to share your values to them There is nothing like 'good because the world deserves good', teach them right and wrong and consequences of both. But as I always remind atheists,and most are quite moral in fact better at morality than theists, they lack any logical basis for their morality ultimate meaning and purpose. It took several young lives lost in a river and nearly mine before I learnt the dangers of drowning. If mentioning consequences of bad 'instills psychological trauma and prisons their minds', consult your nearest armchair sophist 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Threatening Children With Hell.. by johnydon22(m): 12:51pm On Apr 06, 2016 |
vooks: quite very nonsensical this is i must say. I have always affirmed any human who asserts "Humans have no logical basis for a good ethical and moral conduct" without an external coercion stemming from an alleged punishment or selfish reward scheme is not moral in essence and i call that line of thought stupi_d and dangerous to human development and well being. If you cannot find basis to be good to other humans (moral) other than just "a belief" in an external authority then humanity has no hope with people who share such thoughts because they are all a potential dangerous time bomb to our continuous existence. Morality is a human construct, a product of societal relationships and every human, Atheists or not has every logical basis to be moral and ethical in a society. -Love -compassion -Empathy -Sympathy -Pity -Community -Social bond -Family -Love for earth and things in it -Obedience to societal norms in accordance with societal well being, equality, justice and freedom. Oh there are thousands of such logical basis why "Atheist" as well as any humans should and should be moral and ethical. Only that you have been roped to only see as a basis the coercion by the threat of a hell and the greed in the clamor of a reward. Those are not even basis themselves but are acts of fear and selfishness and so it is someone who has such mindset is to be said to have no logical basis for morality. You may assume up claims of an external love, like being good for the love of God. We do not need such assumptions and misplacement of human emotions, we do not need such "fear" masked as "love. Rather it should be, Be good to other humans for the love of other humans and be good to earth for the love of earth No external coercion involved or the need of an assumptive authority neither is it seen as a means to a selfish end (paradise) or fear to escape a punishment (hell). I'm sure everyone can see who has every logical basis to be moral. The assumption of an imaginary consequence to threaten children into conformity is a dangerous grasp of deception and abuse. and itself can never be a moral approach to child formation and instruction. 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Threatening Children With Hell.. by urahara(m): 3:14pm On Apr 29, 2016 |
johnydon22: Epic lolk |
Re: Threatening Children With Hell.. by Amberon: 8:38pm On Apr 29, 2016 |
dumb atheists. no one is threatening others with hell. its like saying that The Federal ministry of Health is threatening smokers with death by saying that smokers are liable to die young. Its also like telling someone that they'll fail their tests if they don't study. Hell is real. like it or not! |
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