craziebone:
@mindfulness

thank god you said "some countries". I can offer an explanation to it.

I believe the countries you find that trend are countries whose tools in test and measurement of goals of educational objective in the sciences are geared towards recall rather than a thourough analysis of scientific phenomenon. I believe the link i gave you also confirms that women are better at memory than guys.

Miller and Osborne (1998), in identifying the most important factor the assessment in sciences should seek to measure, noted that rather than emphasize on the recall of specific details of facts, assessment in sciences should give greater weight to the assessment of a holistic understanding of major scientific ideas and critical understandin of science and science reasoning.

Many countries' tools used to measure educational outcome in the sciences are geared towards recall. Tis could explain that trend was reported.

I will tell you about my experience in school, wich i just finished.

When we were being taught Quantum Mechanics in 300L, non of us students could follow up on what the teacher was teachin us. When we were writing the exam, my coursemate, a lady who was leadin us in class at the time, was busy filling up her answer sheet with the right answers to the questions. I was just siting there only able to solve one question out of four. I looked into her work and saw she was just downloading. I had the option of copying from her, but i refused, even though i knew that i was carryin over the course.
When the the result came out, she passed and i carried over the course as expected.

When i was oing to write the course again with my juniors, i asked if she could help put me through. She said she just doesn't know anything in the course! So te question is, how did they (those who passed it) pass the course in the first place? The answer lies in the tool used in the measuing of our behavioural outcome in Quantum Mechanics. The questions set for us were exact same lenghty proving that was given to us durin the course of the semester. We were suppose to cram and download wen the time comes. Since ladies are good at memorizing, like the article in the guardian told us, they are more likely to perform better in cases like this. But if you know the sciences very well, you will agree with me as well as with Osborne and Miller that the ability to recall is almost of no use, rather, a thorough understanding of phenomenon and acquiring scientific reasoning is what's needed.

Today, i can tell you more about Quantum Mechanics that almost all of my classmates can tell you about it. Including the lady.

To let you be sure that i did not just come up with this, you can check my profile and see the threads i have ever opened here on NL and you will see where i came here to discuss quantum mechanics. I was disappointed that the thread did not attract many people. You can also check the date i started the thread to be sure.

MrsPhyno:
I must
be present on this thread at least small

wisdomiskey:



sayz the 18yr old hermaphrodite
who spends all day creating multiple
accounts on nL.

dats why yuh have nothing
going well for yuh in life.

FrancisTony:

Says a retarrded simpleton who logs in to this alternate to quote me whenever he sees my post.

Goes a long way to show that I am far above him by millions.
You are ignored, fool.
I'm whoever you believe I am in your mind.

Only insecure retardeens like your ilks spend time online arguing how they are superior to women.
Jobless and bitter motherfvcking imps with forlorn childhood, kindly transfer your aggressions to your haggard mothers and sisters not innocent Nairaland women who are not responsible for your woes!

wisdomiskey:

sayz the 18yr old hermaphrodite
who spends all day creating multiple
accounts on nL.
dats why yuh have nothing
going well for yuh in life.

doublex:
are you talking about "our" forefathers that were enslaves by the white man and 'civilized' by them too? What exactly is difficult in medicine is what intelligent people understand(i.e not you).

Now you are talking about all the engineering created by non-blacks?! Hahahahahaha the hypocrisy is laughable......does that mean according to you blacks are less intelligent(as you have listed all engineered creations by mostly whites)!!...according to me,its not.

FOOL GET THIS:a group (in power) that discriminated and ostracized another group(in less power) and therefore has most oppurtinities is bound to be ahead.

EVERYBODY LOOK AT THIS FOOL who would argue if a white man brought the same tactics against him!! So instead of using intelligence and common sense,he uses assumed personal insults and brute language ..as all fools do.AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA coogar old fool:"Bleep off"...(as you so disrespectfully told the kind wo/man Mindfullness) and "dont ever quote me again on this forum"

francis18:
coogar u r talking 2 no other dan dat feminist girl,she created dat moniker double 2 get at u

francis18:
coogar u r talking 2 no other dan dat feminist girl,she created dat moniker double 2 get at u......lly.dont worry abt the likes,only 3 feminists were here 2 like it,3 from unknown girls nd the rest 4rom francisca nd his alternates. was here,saw it.

craziebone:
@mindfulness, i tink we should ive up on this issue of no emperical proof to show that men are better at anything more than women. The truth is, there are countless evidence unless we choose to ignore it just to make ourselves feel better. The reason why it can be a bit difficult for some people to accept this fact is because the stems, which require analytical skills, are what's toping te world today and are the biest earners. This whole thin is all about power.

Well. Below is a link for you to read. If you disagree with te method they used to come about this findin, well, it is in your court to present your objection and show that they are superior to the arguement given herein. I agree we shouldn't harp so much on this so as not to discourage ladies, but c'mon, we cannot deny nature.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/dec/02/men-women-brains-wired-differently

ApexTitan:
^^^

I think what CB is trying to say is that the attention and focus that STEM draws is because of its capacity to drive and create wealth for societies. All the leading and wealthy nations we have today are powered by activities from STEM and as a result many individuals who participated in these fields were correspondingly top earners in relation to other occupations. Showbiz, investment banking and politics as sectors on their own are unable to drive create wealth for societies the way STEM does even though they might produce wealthy people too. The impact on society of say the introduction of the smartphone which is a product of engineering cannot be matched by anything produced from investment banking. Politics or showbiz have their wealth making effects on only a small fraction of people in that field and they do not produce anything that is of consequence outside of those sectors.

raumdeuter:
TV01

SEGREGATED SPECIALTIES:
 Women are only 29% of all physicians, yet they are
overrepresented in traditionally lower-paying
specialties. Pediatrics is the only specialty in which
women are the majority (55%).3, 7
 Women have the lowest representation in surgery.
In 2005, women were less than 6% of each
orthopedic, thoracic, urological and neurological
surgeons.5

http://crgp.ucsd.edu/documents/GenderinMedicalProfessionsCaseStudy.pdf

Baically even in the field of medicine and Surgery, the harder part are left for the men while the easier part are female dominated

I know some would say which are the harder part. Well in the US post med school redicency to be a Neuero surgeon is 7yrs while for family medicine is 3yrs

The average required USMLE scores for Neuerosurgery is way higher than most specialties

Stillfire:
Social engineering? TV01 stop slacking. It is within my rights to make postulations, that is how theories and laws come into place.

Stillfire:
We can now go ahead and do our experiments as 'scientists' lmao on a sample of Nigerian girls based on my hypothesis that if we don't limit Nigerian girls to aspire to kitchen life , the drop out rate will decrease and we would have an increase in the number of nigerian girls in STEM.

Stillfire:
And no I am not despising the girls that aspire to kitchen life, I am concerned about the girls who have it in them but drop out due to some retrogressive ways of thinking.

Mindfulness:
PISA, the best known assessment program, which compares school performance by country, by gender, by social class etc. measures, compares and contrasts the performance of students with the help of exactly the same methods, questionnaires AND worksheets.

TV01:

All your questions and postulations here amount to very little. The real questions here are;

1. Do men have brains that are dissimilar in some ways, giving them differing relative advantages in some areas - point in question here being TEM?
2. Are men and womens brain wiring and structure exactly the same - or indeed, womens have superior intelligence specifically with regards to TEM - meaning under/over representation is due to discrimination?
3. Do womens choices - due to lifestyle, preference etc - play a part in under/over-representation

Please present cogent arguements to make a case either way. It's worth noting that Chess which ios a totally cerebral exercising - ignoring mens greater digit strength - has segregated championships for men and women. Why is this?

It is also worth noting that the best female player plays against men - not in the womens league, hence she is not the womens champion - and the top ten women from the womens league would not make the mens top 100.

Is this also due to age-old discrimination or regressive gender stereotyping? Or do men simply have a "relative advantage" in some areas? And perhaps womens strengths tend to lead them - if not coerced by ideology - to other areas?

I'm just being rhetorical here and don't expect answers - although I'd be pleasantly surprised.


TV

TV01:

Based on sound data, real life dynamics and mutually acceptable outcomes that lead to flourishing for all. You are using what at best is a blinkered ideology to justify what will be costly and counter-productive social engineering.


Firstly, your hypothesis is clearly faulty ! Secondly, your underlying assumption that most Nigerian girls arer STEM material is seriously flawed - not even most/many men are. Thirdly, nobody "limits" Nigerian girls - if they really want it - "and are capable" - it's there for the taking. Sounding like the only reason Nigerian girls eschew STEM is because they are actively discouraged . Any limitations are likely from girls or women anyway.


Such will be minimal and are probably decreasing. The real cause is the choice of women themselves. End of.


TV

bellong:


You may not be far from the truth. The reason why there are more females in the biological and medical sciences is because they believe it is about reading and "pouring. To most of them, it doesn't require intensive mathematical exercise and modeling.

Stillfire:


So, you arrived at faulty hypothesis without carrying out an experiment to prove my hypothesis is faulty? Mr. man you can do better. All you had to say was ok, let's carry out this experiment on Naija girls. And this is simply a rate reaction , we would see an increase of girls in the STEM, if we decrease familial factors that hinders females. Are we going to deny that Nigerian girls are psychologically discouraged from going further in their endeavors but aspire to be wives first, defined by a husband? So why would a girl go into STEM, when your aspirations should be home economics . Boys are encouraged to be providers hence the doggedness to take financially rewarding courses of which a career in STEM stereotypically insinuates. There were a lot of 'last-carrying' boys in my class who should have just respected themselves and gone to less-tasking courses . Take away these limiting factors and let's see if the percentage of Nigerian women in STEM would not increase. Simple.

coogar:


even in the countries where such is non-existent, women are still found wanting. only 9% of all british engineers are females. are the females there also discouraged from going further in their career?

when are you actually going to admit that nature limits the women & it's got nothing to do with marginalisation or misogynistic culture? more females actually study these STEM courses but they soon abandon it for a less mentally tasking roles.

Stillfire:


Oh please, read from the beginning of my arguments. Nigerian girls roughly show to have the same rates of women in STEM despite our economic, social and misogynistic factors. It suffices to say that if these factors are taken out, Nigerian women would beat their Western counterparts.

coogar:


economic, social & misogynistic factors in nigeria? i put it to you that women are even more favoured than men in nigeria.

Stillfire:


Oh dear, you really want to go down that road with me?

coogar:


i am already standing on the road
there's no marginalisation in nigeria....women are constantly encouraged to read as far as they can go.

coogar:


women should be educated - contrary to what you think, every man desires a woman that can present mentally-stimulating points in an argument. however, if she desires to marry & raise rugrats, her career needs to pause till those kids make it to high school(at the very least). it's the most ideal method to nourish the kids.

Stillfire:


Oh please, read from the beginning of my arguments. Nigerian girls roughly show to have the same rates of women in STEM despite our economic, social and misogynistic factors. It suffices to say that if these factors are taken out, Nigerian women would beat their Western counterparts.

Stillfire:


Lol, but not at the detriment of her being husband-less...we don't want her to read 'too much' you know. Again limiting psychological factors.

Evidence number 1- women are sad because we are not doing home-economics, and trying to 'compete' with men, lmao.

https://www.nairaland.com/2251479/why-modern-woman-sad

Shouldn't the removal of these 'limiting' factors raise the statistics of women in STEM? Why aim high in the grand scheme of things?

ApexTitan:


Several questions for you:

Maybe I missed it somewhere but how did you arrive at this conclusion that Nigerian women have the same rates of representation in STEM as their Western counterparts?

What misogynistic factors prevents girls in Nigeria from entering STEM. (Any lady who didn't study STEM reading this thread is free to answer this one)

Are you seriously standing by your assertion that women in the West are lazy and that's why they are under-represented in STEM? Is there any real basis for this assertion?

coogar:


that's just nature!
naija babes themselves desperately want to marry.



lemme read this.....




it's simply nature.
it would be the same if men get pregnant.