Ibebe:


Bonjour!

Parlez-vous français?

Can't we just find a permanent solution to all these ? I've been saying this for the past 4 days

We can't continue like this

Ilaje44:

Cher Madame, je ne parle Francaise par ditout. Je parle seulement un peu. Ma Lange il y a: Ilaje, Yoruba, Allemand et Anglais.

mignone:

Òyán ni o

IlekeGD:


lol I can't speak much o. Impressive.

Wetin be Allemand?

Aareonakakanfo:
[size=15pt]Women “becoming” men in Yoruba tradition[/size]


An interlude before the post on royal women in Dahomey in which I shed some light on the fascinating subject of women becoming men in Yoruba tradition. In the previous post, we learned that among the ladies of the palace in Oyo, two presented themselves as men and were addressed as “Baba”, meaning father. But they form just the tip of the iceberg. Semley mentions that in[b] Ketu oral histories depict Oduduwa, the first Yoruba leader as a woman. Some of us are aware that a number of powerful Orisha are regarded to be androgynous. In aspects of Yoruba worship, women are said to be “mounted”, i.e. possessed by male spirits.


It can be said that Yoruba traditional belief views gender and sexual expression as fluid. Rather then being rigid, gender is influenced by factors such as age and wealth. These examples from the history and tradition show that not conforming to gender was not frowned upon. However gender non-conforming expressions in Yoruba culture did not necessarily mean that social constructions linked to biolgical sex was renounced. On the contrary, the person could assume gender roles depending on circumstances. In Oyo, the “male mothers” did not work with as many men as others like the the Oba-gunte who was part of the all-male Ogboni secret society but was still not addressed as Baba. Semley suggests that the two “men” among the “mothers” in the palace reinforce the understanding that femininity and masculinity were part of the religious and political power structure at all levels of the state.

In some traditions on Oyo’s earliest history, the king who is said to have introduced warfare on horses was a woman called Orompoto (according to other sources Orompoto was a man as opposed to a woman who became a man, her name denotes “something soft” apparently because a woman who becomes a man must be a softhearted man). The name Orompoto suggests something soft. Orompoto is said to have physically changed herself into a man, and appeared naked to prove it. Friend and fellow Yoruba history nerd, Michael Akanji, recently wrote a post on Omosun, which appears to be another name by which Orompoto is referred (I have also come across the name Ajuwon Olode). He writes that Omosun wanted to be accorded the same rights and privileges of the first born after her older brother, the king’s eldest son died, and that she also wanted to be regarded as a man.

Omosun is regarded as a “although a female, was of a masculine character and she considers the right and privileges of the Aremo (Crown Prince) her own”

The title of Aremo was usually given to the king’s eldest son who would succeed the throne after his father’s death. The Aremo had a good amount of power without the same ritual restrictions as his father, the king. For Omosun to become the Aremo, she had to become a man. Michael sheds more light on Omosun’s story, she wanted to become the next king and rebelled after her Osinyago, adopted Woruale (Irale) his cousin as the Aremo over Omosun. Eventually a dispute rose between Omosun and Woruale, she ended up killing him in a fit of anger.

Other accounts of Orompoto’s story say that she was a woman who “danced in and out on the day of her coronation and then the king-makers looked up and realised she had turned into a man.” Orompoto was the child of Egungunoju, the first king of Oyo at Igboho who had no sons. As she wanted to rule against Yoruba tradition, she chose to change her sex rather than shift the throne to another family. Orompoto was the monarch who introduced cavalary into the Oyo military and lead the Oyo army to conquer many lands. It has been suggested that she is the one behind Oyo bcoming the largest empire in Yoruba history. Interestingly, it is noted that Orompoto’s successor, her son Ajiboyede was the first Oyo king to impose castration for the ranking male official in the palace. Apparently no other woman assumed the Oyo throne before and after the reign of Orompoto, however this may be contended.

What fascinates me about people like Orompoto and the “male mothers” of Oyo is how much of a choice they had in becoming men. It’s quite clear from Orompoto’s case that to become the Alaafin, she had to become a man first but were the “male mothers” required to become men as part of the office? Or was the space left open for women who were inclined to become men in the first place? Nonetheless the existence of such histories just goes to show, further proof by the way, that the heteronormative lens through which scholars look at Yoruba history needs to be challenged.


https://eccentricyoruba./2015/07/08/women-becoming-men-in-yoruba-tradition/

Androgynous Orishas 9jacrip I need help

forgiveness:


I think Ondo state has the longest coast in Nigeria and also has more crude oil and natural gas than Lagos. That's is also enough to attract investors to Ondo/Ogun axis. So, I still don't understand why they have to build another sea port in Lagos.

Confab report to be implemented! Well, let's keep our fingers crossed until then.

InterloperX5:
You shouldn't have given him attention, their antics are well known on Nairaland . . . . .they throw some nasty comments and leg it in the hope you throw words back and loose focus . . . . . anyway that aside

Some of this project as discussed demands new money or new wealth to drive things up, government financies as it is now seems bugged down with recurrent expenditures and best project like this is formulated on a private public template to get things started asap, sectors of the economy like rail transportation and more importantly the very profitable axis like the Lagos Oyo Ogun axis for starters. . . .

laudate:


Yes, new money is needed but why does it have to be govt money? Create enabling laws within a particular area that promotes industry and lowers the barriers to entry for new busineses or participants, invite investors to participate in that area and offer them like 10-years tax holiday so they can recoup their money!

Wasn't that what happened in the telecoms sector? Did govt give a kobo to MTN, Econet/Airtel, Etisalat and later Glo, to set up GSM? No! IBB merely deregulated the sector and passed appropriate laws to allow new entrants into the game, then capped it with a 10-year tax holiday.

MTN thought it would take 5 years for them to break even, when they first entered the nigerian market. but they broke even the 1st year, and started making profits in the 2nd year. By the 3rd year, MTN Nigeria was contributing a sizeable chunk of profits to MTN Group Operations in Africa.

They should do the same for rail, water transport, refineries etc!

superstar1:
What is happening here?

Why are there so many deleted posts?