achorladey:

Keep waiting.

brocab:
Ask them again-but explain to me why your bible holds these truths? Which of course you yourself refuses to accept.

dolphinheart:

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1. How do we know the truth if two people give contrary answers and both claim God spirit told them?

2. Jo 5:20And we know that the (1) Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know (2) him that is true, and we are in (3) him that is true, (4) even in (5) his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
now brocab, pls tell us:
2A. who is "the son of God" in (1) above, coloured red
2B. who is the "him" in (2) above, coloured blue
2C. who is the "him" in (3) above , coloured red
2D. what do you understand by the underlined "even In his son" in (4)
2E who is the "his " in 5 above , coloured blue.

brocab:
To be honest I don't need your exemption ,because your bible is answering all my questions, without reading the watchtower magazines, the truth is being revealed.

brocab:
You don't know who the son of God is? Well I will tell you it's Jesus.
Lets examine the scriptures on a much larger view point, scriptures of course, you refuse to believe that There is only One true God.
God is Creator: {Genesis 1:1, Job 33:4, Isaiah 40:28}
Jesus is Creator: {John 1:1-3, Colossians 1:12-17, Hebrews 1:8-12}
God is the First and the Last:{ Isaiah 41:4, 44:6, 48:12}
Jesus is the first and the Last: {Revelation 1:17, 2:8, 22:13}
God is I AM: {Ego eimi} { Exodus 3:13,14, Deutoronomy 32:39, Isaiah 43:10}
Jesus is I AM: {Ego eimi}{John 8:24,58, 13:19, 18:5}
God is Judge: {Genesis 18:25, Psalm 96:13, Joel 3:12}
Jesus is Judge: {2 Timothy 4:1, 2 corinthians 5:10, Romans 14:10-12}
God is king: {Psalm 47, Isaiah 44:6-8, Jeremiah 10:10}
Jesus is king:{Matthew 2:1-6, John 19:21, 1 Timothy 6:13-16}
God is Saviour: {Psalm 106:21, Isaiah 43:3-11, 45:21-23}
Jesus is Saviour:{John 4:42, Acts 4:10-12, 1 John 4:14}
God is Shepherd:{Psalm 23, 100:3, Isaiah 40:11}
Jesus is Shepherd:{ John 10:11, Hebrews 13:20, 1 Peter 5:4}
God is Light:{Psalm 27:1, Isaiah 60:20}
Jesus is Light: {John 1:9, 8:12}
God is Rock:{Deut 32:4, 1 Sam 2:2, 2 Sam 22:32, Psalm 31:3, 78:35, 89:26, Isaiah 17:10}
Jesus is Rock:{ 1 Corinthians 10:4, 1 Peter 2:8}
God is Redeemer:{Psalm 49:15, 78:35, Isaiah 43:14, 44:6, 47:4, 49:26}
Jesus is Redeemer: {Galatians 3:13}
This should sum this up as clear as the Word Of God tells us, its true..
NWT {Revelation 22:20} He that bears witness of these things says "Yes I AM" coming quickly". Amen! Come Lord Jesus.
And what does the JW's say in there bible { 1 Peter 3:15} But sanctify the Christ as Lord in your own heart.
And Jehovah is a meaning to Lord...
Case is closed.

achorladey:

please follow the instructions given to questions asked. How many times will l correct you on numerous use of scriptures without proper application. I kept smiling after reading through all the scriptures cited. I know for a certainty someone made him Lord and Christ. Can you decipher that? Thats all in summary!!!

achorladey:

You mean the truth is being revealed through the NWT? Keep on reading it will help your case as it seems.

brocab:
Already answered above, all you need to do is just open your eye's to the truth-next Question all scriptured.
Scriptures that not even you can deny-Everyone can see, everyone that believes have their eye's open, everyone knows, Jesus's title is the same as God's title..
So keep on smiling, it will do you good-because the truth will set you free.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOwQ9RBlTck
Dare to Watch this video if you are willing, It will do you good, it will save your soul from the destruction you are about to see.

brocab:
Yes I do mean the truth about all the corruption that's written page after page inside the NWT Bible, had all been revealed.
Most of the NWT scriptures, that you yourself had refused to believe-to state any argument, nothing written in the Watchtower magazine is to do with any bible knowledge-and yet you dare to call yourselves men/women of God, which God? A none bible reading God?
A none believing organisation-who had proven to the world there false prophesy's since the beginning of 1874 until today.

brocab:
You don't know who the son of God is? Well I will tell you it's Jesus.

Lets examine the scriptures on a much larger view point, scriptures of course, you refuse to believe that There is only One true God.

God is Creator: {Genesis 1:1, Job 33:4, Isaiah 40:28}
Jesus is Creator: {John 1:1-3, Colossians 1:12-17, Hebrews 1:8-12}

God is the First and the Last:{ Isaiah 41:4, 44:6, 48:12}
Jesus is the first and the Last: {Revelation 1:17, 2:8, 22:13}

God is I AM: {Ego eimi} { Exodus 3:13,14, Deutoronomy 32:39, Isaiah 43:10}
Jesus is I AM: {Ego eimi}{John 8:24,58, 13:19, 18:5}

God is Judge: {Genesis 18:25, Psalm 96:13, Joel 3:12}
Jesus is Judge: {2 Timothy 4:1, 2 corinthians 5:10, Romans 14:10-12}

God is king: {Psalm 47, Isaiah 44:6-8, Jeremiah 10:10}
Jesus is king:{Matthew 2:1-6, John 19:21, 1 Timothy 6:13-16}

God is Saviour: {Psalm 106:21, Isaiah 43:3-11, 45:21-23}
Jesus is Saviour:{John 4:42, Acts 4:10-12, 1 John 4:14}[/color]

God is Shepherd:{Psalm 23, 100:3, Isaiah 40:11}
Jesus is Shepherd:{ John 10:11, Hebrews 13:20, 1 Peter 5:4}

God is Light:{Psalm 27:1, Isaiah 60:20}
Jesus is Light: {John 1:9, 8:12}

God is Rock:{Deut 32:4, 1 Sam 2:2, 2 Sam 22:32, Psalm 31:3, 78:35, 89:26, Isaiah 17:10}
Jesus is Rock:{ 1 Corinthians 10:4, 1 Peter 2:8}
God is Redeemer:{Psalm 49:15, 78:35, Isaiah 43:14, 44:6, 47:4, 49:26}
Jesus is Redeemer: {Galatians 3:13}
This should sum this up as clear as the Word Of God tells us, its true..
NWT {Revelation 22:20} He that bears witness of these things says "Yes I AM" coming quickly". Amen! Come Lord Jesus.
And what does the JW's say in there bible { 1 Peter 3:15} But sanctify the Christ as Lord in your own heart.
And Jehovah is a meaning to Lord...
Case is closed.

dolphinheart:


will point you out as a false teacher

dolphinheart:

You are full of lies , I believe their is only one true God,

dolphinheart:


Re 1:17When I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet. And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last,
Re 1:18and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the Grave.
you did not read those verses with insight, cus if you did, something must have clicked in your head and direct you to the scriptures that says God cannot die, therefore this person who claims to be dead is not the God that cannot die!

dolphinheart:


If you had studied further, you would have known why he is first and the last.

What first and last was he ?
Ac 26:23that the Christ was to suffer and that as the first to be resurrected from the dead, he was going to proclaim light both to this people and to the nations.”
Col 1:18and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things;
Re 1:5and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood
Re 2:8“And to the angel of the congregation in Smyrʹna write: These are the things that he says, ‘the First and the Last,’ who became dead and came to life again:

dolphinheart:

As expected, you refused to answer the questions even after it was asked several times.

If one goes through the thread , their are many questions you refused, to answer, many scriptures you refused to explain when you are being called upon to explain them, why?, cus you know that given an answer or explanation will point you out as a false teacher. Hence you always try to change the issues every time.
simple questions are asked , they are in order, all numbered for easy identifiction, yet you can't answer them.

1 .How do we know the truth if two people give contrary answers and both claim God spirit told them?

2. Jo 5:20And we know that the (1) Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know (2) him that is true, and we are in (3) him that is true, (4) even in (5) his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
now brocab, pls tell us:
2A. who is "the son of God" in (1) above, coloured red
2B. who is the "him" in (2) above, coloured blue
2C. who is the "him" in (3) above , coloured red
2D. what do you understand by the underlined "even In his son" in (4)
2E who is the "his " in 5 above , coloured blue.


You have decided to divert the issue from John 5: 20, you think that listing a number of scriptures will help you out, let's see if they do , or if they expose you further.


Yes , we believe that God's son is jesus, but you have said several times on this thread that jesus is not the son of God!. can you see how you flip flop on your doctrine?, how false your teachings are?.


You are full of lies , I believe their is only one true God, the scriptures helps us to identify who that true God is, I follow the scriptures identification, you do not!, you have formulated another true God for yourself, different from the God the disciples, scriptures and even jesus himself identified as God, the one true God and our God.

JESUS HIMSELF IDENTIFIED WHO THE TRUE GOD IS.
Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
* jesus identified the true to you, his next words excludes him from the only person who is the true God, the true God sent him, the true God did not send himself, he sent his servant!

THE DISCIPLES IDENTIFY WHO THE ONE GOD IS
[b]1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

THE SCRIPTURES TELL US WHO JESUS IS IN RELATION TO THAT ONE GOD
1Ti 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,

brocab , jesus is the mediator between our one God and men , that is also comfirmed by the scriptures below
Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.

Our one God is not pleading with himself!. read Heb 7:25, 1Jo 2:1




If you had read the scriptures very well, you would have understood who created the heavens and earth and who he used to do the creation.
Heb 1:2Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things.
Pr 8:30Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time;



You have a long way to go brocab, because you think two people have similar titles it means they are the same person, you know that that is wrong analogy cus you will refuse to use it on all cases in the scriptures where two persons have same titles. Jehovah himself calls a babylonian king "king of kings" (Eze 26:7), does this mean that this king is jesus?, absolute not! so stop using similarities in titles whenever it suits you, refusing to look at what the scriptures say about those titles.

Re 1:17When I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet. And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last,
Re 1:18and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the Grave.
you did not read those verses with insight, cus if you did, something must have clicked in your head and direct you to the scriptures that says God cannot die, therefore this person who claims to be dead is not the God that cannot die!

If you had studied further, you would have known why he is first and the last.

What first and last was he ?
Ac 26:23that the Christ was to suffer and that as the first to be resurrected from the dead, he was going to proclaim light both to this people and to the nations.”
Col 1:18and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things;
Re 1:5and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood
Re 2:8“And to the angel of the congregation in Smyrʹna write: These are the things that he says, ‘the First and the Last,’ who became dead and came to life again:



brocab, the writer of exodus, deut and isaiah did not use the word "ego eimi" , the word is Greek and they did not write in Greek, so stop lying!

ego eimi (Ancient Greek: ἐγώ εἰμί Greek pronunciation: [eɡɔ̌ː eːmí]) "I am", "I exist", is the first person singular present tense of the verb "to be" in ancient Greek.

you listed scriptures where jesus used that word in a sentence, you could not quote the full sentence, cus it will show how much of a dubious person you are.
If the use of "ego eimi" means that that person is God, then John the babtist is "I AM" (matt 3: 11), and the army officer is also " I AM" ( MATT 8: 8 ).
brocab, can you see how the scriptures exposes false , derived teachings, your theories are selective and cannot be allied in all cases!


Brocab, read the scriptures and know why jesus is judge, it was because God apointed him to be a judge!

joh 5:22For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted all the judging to the Son,

Ac 17:31Because he has set a day on which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has provided a guarantee to all men by resurrecting him from the dead.”

you open the bible, searching for points you think supports your theory, you do not read to understand. searching for similarities does not help!. Jesus would not have been judge if his father, the only true God , had not appointed him to judge.



Again you refuse to read the scriptures, who made jesus king, his father , his God !
Lu 1:32This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father
Lu 1:33and he will rule as King over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end to his Kingdom.”

Jer 23:5“Look! The days are coming,” declares Jehovah, “when I will raise up to David a righteous sprout. And a king will reign and show insight and uphold justice and righteousness in the land.
Mt 1:1The book of the history of Jesus Christ, son of David, son of Abraham:


IF YOU HAD READ THE SCRIPTURES, YOU WOULD HAVE KNOWN HOW JESUS CAME TO BE KING
Da 7:13, 14“I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One.14 And to him there were given rulership, honor, and a kingdom, that the peoples, nations, and language groups should all serve him. His rulership is an everlasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom will not be destroyed.

1Co 15:25For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet.


Who do you think appointed jesus as savior, who do you think sends savior to save us, it is the father, the God of mercies, JeHovah.
Ne 9:27For this you gave them into the hand of their adversaries, who kept causing them distress. But they would cry out to you in the time of their distress, and you would hear from the heavens; and because of your great mercy, you would give them saviors to rescue them out of the hand of their adversaries.

Jg 3:9When the Israelites called to Jehovah for help, Jehovah raised up a savior to rescue the Israelites, Othʹni·el the son of Keʹnaz, the younger brother of Caʹleb.

JUST AS NUMEROUS TIMES DURING THOSE DAYS, JEHOVAH TOO HAD SENT JESUS TO SAVE US
King James Version
1Jo 4:14And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

King James Version
Ac 5:31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

no wonder jesus knew the true source of our saving acts, he knew who to pray to, follow his lead!
King James Version
Heb 5:7Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;






Go read up on the word " Shepherd and how the scriptures used it, even those who lead in the congregation are called Shepherdsomething, does it mean they are God, No!.
God gave his followers to jesus, jesus took care of God's sheep!


You case is getting desperate brocab. You are just looking for similarities , refusing to read the scriptures extensively with an open mind. The scriptures below will help you.
Isa 45:7I form light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, Jehovah, am doing all these things.

1Jo 1:5This is the message that we heard from him and are announcing to you: God is light, and there is no darkness at all in him.

Jas 1:17Every good gift and every perfect present is from above, coming down from the Father of the celestial lights, who does not vary or change like the shifting shadows.

Ps 36:9With you is the source of life; By your light we can see light.
From the above scriptures I hope you see who is the source of light.

let's see what that person who is the source of light say about jesus when he prophesied about his servant he will send.
Isa 42:6, 7“I, Jehovah, have called you in righteousness; I have taken hold of your hand. I will safeguard you and give you as a covenant for the people And as a light of the nations, 7For you to open the blind eyes, To bring the prisoner out of the dungeon And those sitting in darkness out of the prison.

Can you see how Jehovah, the source of light made jesus to be a light of the world? Read Isa 9:1, 2, Mt 4:13-16.

someone said while jesus was a baby
[b]Lu 2:28he took the child into his arms and praised God and said:
Lu 2:29“Now, Sovereign Lord, you are letting your slave go in peace according to your declaration,
Lu 2:30 because my eyes have seen your means of salvation
Lu 2:31that you have prepared in the sight of all the peoples,
Lu 2:32 a light for removing the veil from the nations and a glory of your people Israel.”

Even if you think being a light of the world means you are God , it means those jesus was talking to in the verse below are God too!, and we all know it's false
[b]Mt 5:14“ You are the light of the world. A city cannot be hid when located on a mountain.


yes , case is really closed. Go and read the scriptures and stop looking for similarities!

Jesus has a God superior to him, his father who he is subjected to, he calls his father his God, and he had Identified the father as our God too, the only true God. do not change who jesus says is the only true God, do not add to it!

dolphinheart:
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brocab:
This is the best page you have written. And it makes sense, where your mind is at.

johnw74:

Bro, that video from ex jw's really shows just how evil false jw's are.
satans church without a doubt, not his only one mind you

johnw74:


now come on bro show some respect for the dead

achorladey:

A typical example of an individual who decides to look elsewhere when the answers are right in front of them. Go back to the post I gave you concerning that and tell me there names. Your answers are right there.

dolphinheart:

u which!
If one asks you questions, you will refuse to answer
I've asked you and even begged you to modify your post so one can be able to see your posts when quoting you, you refused to do so.
I even said you should bring up 5 scriptures you feel support your doctrines, you still refuse to do so

achorladey:

Why you no mention spirit too nw? Wetin that one call himself abi na itself? Concerning your qusetion, (1). John 17:3 no dey your bible. Who be the person wey dey talk for John 17:3? Abi na me be the writer of John ni? If you no believe wetin the person wey talk for John 17:3 talk about, na my fault? Shuoooooo na me go tell you the name of the person wey dey talk for John 17:3 again?

achorladey:

You can't even decipher enough that all the names of the son of God(Jesus Christ) were given to him.
Yet you say he called himself the beginning and the end and the Almighty
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Philippians 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
The records are right in front of you reason well on them.

johnw74:


You are not talking about brocab, but about yourself false jw.




no not bro but you, who is full of lies,
almighty-mighty God is the one true God,
you believe He is two gods, a almighty god, and mighty god.





duh, God did not die, His flesh and blood body died,
three day's later the Word(God) raised His flesh body

Joh_2:19  Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Luk 24:39  Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

^^^
false jw say Jesus body was not raised, but that Jesus was raised a Spirit being,
however Jesus showed that He was not a Spirit being but still flesh and bone.



In Revelation it is Jesus talking through His Angel,
Jesus is "the first and the last".

Yes Jesus was the first resurrected, but that is not the meaning of the first and the last,
the first and the last is the eternal.
The first and the last means he has always existed and always will exist,
the self existent.
Even the verse you posted Rev 2:8 ‘the First and the Last,’ who became dead and came to life again:
The first and the last became dead, He was the first and the last before He died.
Of course He was always, and always will be, the first and the last.

By the way the man-body died, not the Spirit-God.



mind you it's not suprising that a false jw who believes that
the titles almighty God, and mighty God, are titles for two diffrent god's,
to also believe that there are two first and lasts

even the title: the first and the last,
suggests one,
one God.

brocab:
Again you have rejected the Word Of God-I have answered who the Son of God is-and still you refuse to recognise my answer-the Son of God is Jesus. And Him is the Son of God and the Father together as One. {John 5:20}

And again you have showed the world you have a great hatred for the truth, that you are trying to twist the scriptures around-only because you haven't a clue what the meaning of them are, and if you had the Spirit of God living inside you, you wouldn't reject any thing that is written about the truth..

Your are a false accuser and a false prophet Dolphinheart.

Every true Christian knows Jesus came in the flesh to live amongst men, Jesus's flesh died on the cross, Jesus was risen, not the Father, God didn't die, God is Spirit, the Father isn't coming back, but the Son, Every eye will see the Son of Man returning the way He was taken up into the clouds.
Every eye will see the Lord coming in the clouds {Revelation 1:7}
{Luke 21:27} At that time they will see the Son of man coming in the clouds, with power and great glory.

solite3:
i m not interested in your lies. i m only interested in bursting them.

solite3:
thank God you agreed Jesus name is the highest both in heaven and on earth which means Jesus is Almighty