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Nigeria is a country ... by geographical definition. It is recognised as a country, by the United Nations and it is soveriegn.

can it ("Is it" is quite the correct way to put it) functioning "properly" like a country?
The answer to that is "No".

It has challenges, huge ones for that matter! from corruption to mal-administration, e.t.c.

NB: I have deliberately avoided mentioning that Nnamdi kanu and the many cogent questions l raised earlier... so that we can get a handle on this discussion because like l said, "timing is of essence", in any struggle.

NEXT..?

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vanbonattel:


Your brain is still loading 0.001%

Shymm3x:


STFU! What's the correlation between Awolowo and this thread?

Fvck off my mentions, prick.

vanbonattel:


Good analogy!

Now my own reading of the same example is pure cowardice. If the west stood up and challenged the north for once instead of the greed for presidency which still bastardized the country and left things the same, leaving us all cities not this quagmire.

You are right, the Igbo would have reacted differently.

successiam:
thou I'm a Niger Delta man, Biafra must stand

God bless Biafra

may God destroy northern Nigeria

ExInferis:
Biafra is an economic ideology.

The agitation is not founded on any rational basis of victimhood, just for pecuniary spoils of national wealth. If igbos are downtrodden and victimized, how could they then flourish and claim to own Nigeria's economy and business wealth? Does that sound like marginalization to anyone?

The south easterners blame everyone for their plight except themselves. They blame northerners for the amalgamation, westerners for not joining in their violent secession, and deltans for not allowing their own identity to be subsumed.

The igbos claim to hold the wealth of nigeria in their hands. Shouldn't they use their own god given resources to address their situation where our leaders and theirs are unwilling? Resorting to self help alone would provide basis for their cries.

The propellant of biafra is hatred combined with economic deprivation and not some perceived injustice. During the first biafran misadventure igbos occupied high echelons of society and the military. But they did nothing to help themselves. Instead they triggered an event they knew was going to devastate every segment of their lives.

50 years later no lesson has been learned. If violent aggression was counterproductive back then, why is the current violent expression a vehicle for self determination?

Who in Nigeria is not grieved? Who in Nigeria is not suffering? The north held power more than any other, behold the result: polio, illiteracy, raging poverty, hunger, unemployment, insurgency. We've become a laughing stock and butt of bigot's jokes. But we do not hold any other tribe accountable. We do not demand a balm to soothe our pains. We do not demand entitlement nor do we cultivate a victim mentality.

The GEJ government allowed BH to fester and decimate thousands of us, laying waste to the little economic endeavors we had sustaining us. But we reserv3d our hatred only for GEJ and not the entire ijaw nation. Indeed Amaechi is a hero in the north for helping us get rid of the simple gentleman.

The Niger Deltans are among the most deprived, but they know their leadership stole their wealth. Politicians and Militants have an economic symbiosis that's lucrative and mutually beneficial to both parasites to the detriment of the laity.

As the article suggested, the southwest did not do any better in the days of obasanjo. Lagos has an IGR more than double the federal allocation of my state kaduna, but Lagos still hasn't really moved forward from the days of Tinubu to now.

Of course people now and then mutter secession based on their grievances. But no one except the igbos made it a mass body of violent movement.

No one wants to be threatened with violence. The Scots everyone keeps referring to did not threaten Britain with violence. I assure you if a band of kilted Scots had massed together and declared war, the British army would've mobilized over the borders of old Caledonia.

A nation like Nigeria made up of a patchwork of hundreds of different and differing interests, ethnicities, tribes and religions cannot afford the luxury of allowing separatists to determine its composition. Allowing biafra will no doubt open the floodgates of separatism by each and every body of people.

Separation is not always the answer. Look at south sudan. Don't just think of the benefits of Biafra, think of the consequences.

In sum, nigeria is working for no one but a small group of people who pull the strings. But no one else is threatening doom and gloom except the igbos.

If you don't heed the lessons of history you're bound to repeat it.

Igbos are just victims of their own history.

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You are still missing the point here!

We Yorubas dont believe in "aggression as a means to an end".

This is where we are different from the Ibos.

We believe more in "Use of Brain power" to resolve issues, after-all, after the "fight-fight", you will still have to come and "discuss" to solve the problem.
And we have the RESULTS TO PROVE IT, in the last 55 years of Nigeria's independence!

Look at it this way: When Animals disagree over territory, its a "fight to death and the stronger has to kill the weaker one, to stay alive".
But as evolved "higher animals", man has learnt to set-up institutions to "deliberate and find solutions" to the same type of territorial issues... instead do behaving like wild animals.

The ability to resolve issues without recourse to "base, animalistic mentality" is a sign of "sophisticated, cranial development"....(look at America made up of over 50 states (like 50 countries), yet it is able to resolve its electoral disputes (even outright rigging as in Al Gore, unlike some African countries like East Africa, Ivory Coast, Liberia which will destroy each other over the same thing)

You will agree with me that this is a symptom of "being evolved and sophistication".

NB: you have insulted me a few times but l have taken the pains to respond to you in a "civil manner" to still buttress my point that we are "genetically different ....and miles-apart"!
That is why l am Yoruba.... and you are Ibo.


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[b]Restless potential prosecutors of another civil war must face the fact that unlike last time, there are observers, international observers to, from their home countries, enforce rules of civilised engagements. These days, you may not escape charges for crimes against humanity. And to perfect such criminal charges, satellite television will beam over all military operations. Also note that national borders of countries are no longer considered sacrosanct or inviolate to offer a basis for denying subjects their right to self-determination. Are countries not, therefore, not rendered vulnerable to balkanisation? Which country will, therefore, be safe from disintegration? The simple response is that even the so-called Balkans of old have self-balkanised. Yugoslavia, yesteryear beacon against disintegration, since broke up into various new independent nations of Serbia, Montenegro and Croatia, among others. Evwn Czechoslovakia of old also broke into Czech and Slovak. Heavens did not fall as all the new countries enjoy mutual respec[/b]t.

Spybradd:



well i would like you to know that citizens of biafra and the niger delta are educated and civilised and are their brother's keepers...they aint prone to parasitism or get down with the DOG IN THE MANGER theory...they aint lazy neither do they wait for others to toil and labor for them to reap where they never sowed....
Am sorry,but you sound more like the devil's advocate hell bent on setting brethren apart..be careful,thats something God hates so much..

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You are still missing the point here!

We Yorubas dont believe in "aggression as a means to an end".

This is where we are different from the Ibos.

We believe more in "Use of Brain power" to resolve issues, after-all, after the "fight-fight", you will still have to come and "discuss" to solve the problem.
And we have the RESULTS TO PROVE IT, in the last 55 years of Nigeria's independence!

Look at it this way: When Animals disagree over territory, its a "fight to death and the stronger has to kill the weaker one, to stay alive".
But as evolved "higher animals", man has learnt to set-up institutions to "deliberate and find solutions" to the same type of territorial issues... instead do behaving like wild animals.

The ability to resolve issues without recourse to "base, animalistic mentality" is a sign of "sophisticated, cranial development"....(look at America made up of over 50 states (like 50 countries), yet it is able to resolve its electoral disputes (even outright rigging as in Al Gore, unlike some African countries like East Africa, Ivory Coast, Liberia which will destroy each other over the same thing)

You will agree with me that this is a symptom of "being evolved and sophistication".

NB: you have insulted me a few times but l have taken the pains to respond to you in a "civil manner" to still buttress my point that we are "genetically different ....and miles-apart"!
That is why l am Yoruba.... and you are Ibo.


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iambabaG:
What is wrong with all dis "Biafra aggitators".. What do dey know about running a country because 2 d best of my knowledge dey r yet 2 produce any leader of note. Wen dey eventually get wot dey ask which I am in support because dey av little effect in d country; how long will dey stay as one since they r insincere nd jealous of themselves.
Dey shuld call a round table discussion nd thrash some internal issues out before all dis display of stupidity!!
Bdw.. Dis article is very lengthy nd pointless!!

damoobaba:
Truth is that all Nigerian ethnic groups have to redefine our union.All this government people are only interested in the money they'll share amongst themselves when they get to power.And thats why the youths have to come together and challenge this people.

Kestolovee95:


Mr hausawa abooki, the protector of the SS, the killer of their leaders and the looter of their resources and destroyer of their ecosystem. You think the Nigerdelta are fools? Every Biafran province will own its resources 100%. Are you sure about this. That means you have no government or pay no taxes. Igbo Biafrans have fared well without oil billions and morever the oil value is fall everyday.
Just go tend to your cows. Biafrans havr one destiny. We have nothing in common the crude and cruel children of uthman dan fodio who wear the bedsheets on the heads.

DaBullIT:
You blame UK, you blame US , you even twist history just to jerk off and feel satisfied

Guess what , UK does not give a flying Furck about Biafra or you , Neither does any part of the world

You know why ??


You thrive on lies and propaganda , if not for that, UK just gave freedom to a nation

Spain just did , they followed protocol, did not use propaganda


Kalu is in prison, what has your protest done ?

Better go back to sit down and reorganize

Biafra has no geographical area or border with everyone saying they are not part of Biafra

There's no source of Income, i assure you Nigeria won't just open her seas and borders to you


All stll on still, na God Win

Shymm3x:


Thanks, Sir.

You asserted that "Nigeria is a country ... by geographical definition" a la Awolowo cos it's recognised by the UN - fair enough. However, you also agreed that [b]it can't [/b]function properly as a country. And that's an oxymoron and it shows that the existence of Nigeria as a country contradicts what a proper country should be. So, if that's the case, what's the point of keep such a country together - to the detriment of the millions of folks living within the borders of that geographical location? The folks whose rights to quality standard of living, good life, quality education etc.. are being denied by the continuous existence of a "geographical definition" that can't and will never function properly, like a normal country should? Why should we continue to deny them these rights just to keep the "geographical definition" alive, and not cater to their divine rights?

Also, I know you're Yoruba and a good student of Nigerian history. So, I'll ask you this questions: since Nigeria became a country, during what period did the Yorubas attain greatness and were on the path, to change the stigma associated with black Africa, when it comes to governance? And why were the Yorubas able to achieve this feat?

adanny01:


Igbo Biafrans have fare well agree but what ever they have can become usless once they are no longer Nigerians. They have to trade with Nigerians to succeed. Everything that cones from Biafra will now go through Nigerian customs and any ban will affect Biafra.

If you really think Igbo will let you have it all then you must be dreaming. They own Biafra, you will see.

DaBullIT:
You blame UK, you blame US , you even twist history just to jerk off and feel satisfied

Guess what , UK does not give a flying Furck about Biafra or you , Neither does any part of the world

You know why ??


You thrive on lies and propaganda , if not for that, UK just gave freedom to a nation

Spain just did , they followed protocol, did not use propaganda


Kalu is in prison, what has your protest done ?

Better go back to sit down and reorganize

Biafra has no geographical area or border with everyone saying they are not part of Biafra

There's no source of Income, i assure you Nigeria won't just open her seas and borders to you

lmm4real:


What has the state governor done about this, learn to hold ur state and local government leaders responsible too.

Setaje:



We have igbo senators. Igbo local government chairman, igbo governors, like wise yorubas , we have proffesionals working in this same government from every region. We've had hausas for many years in the government, we had a yoruba man, the Niger delta had jonathan and the igbos were greatly involved in that government. They give us our allocation every month, yet nothing changed. This is not a matter of biafra. This is a black man's problem. What u cannot get in Nigeria, u cannot get it in Biafra. Igbo leaders should have fought for massive development during jonathans time. They could not even fight for the Niger bridge. Who do u blame for that? Leaders emerge out of followers. What our leaders are doing to us is as a result of who we are. Africans should learn to fight the right battle. If not we would continue to be impoverished. Nothing will change. No african country is doing well except south Africa because the whites are firmly in control of their economy. We cannot continue to blame the white man for our woes. They saw that we were not developed hence they were able to partition us like animals. There is something inherently wrong wiv the black mind. Till we wake up. Till God illuminates our understanding. Nothing will change.


And I am hundred percent certain biafra will never be different from the rest of Africa. Likewise oduduwa republic or the north. if this igbos could come out like this for Nnamdi Kanu, defying rain and police brutality, why couldn't they do the same for their governor? Why couldn't they do the same for their senators, why couldn't they do the same for their local government chairman? Those are the people representing them. Those are their voices, those are the people who could have made life better for them, this same youths would see their governor tomorrow and hail them. Would go and beg for common borehole from their local government chairman and councillors. How do u rationalise this?


Isn't something wrong wiv the black mind

Phame:
Let them go. But if they insult us in the course of their agitation, then expect us to roll the tanks.
I want igbo to go. Buhari, do that already.

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Everything is not Federal Govt!

As a matter of fact, what the STATE (State Govt and Local Govt) takes from the National Cake, is bigger than what accrues to the Federal Govt, per state!

We are focusing too much attention on the Federal govt while neglecting the "Big Criminals"... who are the State Government and Local govt Chairmen who just collect and steal their allocations!

Imagine if all "Street Roads" which are the responsibility of Local govt, are tarred and well laid with Gutters?
Imagine if the State Government compliments this with Major Roads in the state, well tarred and supported with proper drainage?

You think if this is done, anyone will remember we even have or need a federal govt?

The point l am making is that until we Nigerians remove this "federal Govt" tribalism and bigotry from our mindset and start stoning these Governors and especially the LGA chairmen, until, then, we will just continue to suffer and go round in circles.


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vanbonattel:


You are making my points for me, the Yoruba confuse their cowardice for quiet resolution but cannot point to any benefits of the years of suffering and smiling
You can always think that you have ruled for many years since independence but the poverty in your lands is alarming. Apart from a few multi billionaires the rest of your youths are wasting under the various long bridges robbing every one or engaging in other illegal activity. The approach of the Yoruba is to blame for the hole the country found itself due to its stupid way of remaining aloof in the face of gross incompetence in handling the affairs of this ccountry

Do you now see where we differ? There is cowardice in the genes of every Yoruba, including you.

Phame:
I can't just understand those people.

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Oga Shymex, Please read my post again!

I never said "it cant" function properly!
I said "It is not" functioning properly as it should
Both dont connote the same thing, l am sure you are aware because l know you are a very brilliant person.

...and again, l gave a "broad and general definition" of a country because l took your question at "face value".
It has nothing to do with Awolowo (his words l think were "geographical expression".... that is not what l said.

Now, to the main substance of your post:

Again, l answer your questions directly:
*Yorubas attained their greatest during the ear of "Regional Govt" when Awolowo as Premier of the Western region, developed the West and we were the envy of other regions because we excelled over and above others in all areas (my Ibo brothers will tell you that we excelled in material resources because we stole their money they left behind when they try to secede or that we excelled academically because we stopped them from getting good education or we got our resources because they developed Lagos due to its being a Federal capital! ).

The second part of your question: Yorubas were able to achieve this feat because we were able to develop at our own pace.....without being bogged down by those who dont want to "develop" or had other things on their mind or as their priority.

Now, take note: We did all these even as a part of the nation Nigeria... not because we secede or revolted against the Federal govt!

I will agree this much, "True Fiscal federalism" is the solution to Nigeria's problem .... not breaking into parts through secession, as the Ibos would want it.

Let me draw your attention to the fact that as it is today, it will be "an act of excessive greed" for the Ibos to chose to secede..... taking the South-South with them.
They could ask for "Regionalism" where like in the early 60's, each region will develop at its own pace.
If crude Oil is not the main-stay of Nigeria's economy, with Nigeria investing a lot of resources to get it to the point it is TODAY, then maybe this agitation for secession would be worth considering.

If the Ibos are not greedy and truly feel secession is what they want, ask them if they are ready to do it with their "five core Ibo states" ...without drawing the South_South Minorities into it.
In that way, Nigeria's "dependent resources" wont be affected ... and the South -South people wont be dragged into a Biafra most of them dont want to be a part of. This is REALITY!

But l tell you, if you remove those "oil rich' states from their agitation, you will find out that their agitation will simply die "a natural death"!
How on earth can five states say they want to take what belongs to the whole country and arrogate it to themselves.... all in the name of self determination?
I dont even want to go into the merits and demerits of this secession.



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Kestolovee95:


Oga painter, can't you actualize whatever tickles your fantasy without sharing the passport with Biafrans?

pazienza:
Too many ignorance induced verbose essay by the usual anti Biafran elements on this thread.

And the funny Thing is that all the propaganda they are all busy spewing here had all been debunked time and again by Biafrans.

I am already bored of debunking these lies everyday.

The only thing that matters right now, is that in the end, Biafra will come.

It's set on stone, I would advise bitter groups to stop wasting their strength on Biafra and focus more on their own groups survival in the emerging Arewa-Oduanistan.

God bless Biafra!