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Who would win : MEND or JTF? by PapaBrowne(m): 8:54pm On May 26, 2009
I have been observing the reported military onslaught on the Niger Delta, and I'm left with some disturbing observations.
Honestly, I am begining to doubt our military's true capabilities.
These questions keep ringing in my head:

1) The[b] JTF/Military[/b] claimed to have dealt a heavy blow on the MEND/Militants.
My question: How come no militants have been arrested? How come there are no dead bodies of the militants? How come there are no figures to the number of militants killed.
On the other hand, there are numerous reports that the military has lost almost 20 soldiers if not more.

2)[/b]How come the [b]MEND/Militants were able to destroy five critical flow station pipelines yesterday when the JTF/Military is said to have taken over the creeks.

3)[/b]Why haven't any journalists, local or Foreign been allowed to independently assess the situation in the creeks? To the best of my knowledge, in the heat of the Iraq war, CNN, BBC and the likes were allowed freedom to film and report as the war proceeded. This is not even a war, how come no journalists are  reporting.

I'm neutral. I care less about the[b] military
or the[b] militants[/b], they are both fighters and killers, but I'm  thinking the Militants are acting more responsibly than the military. Bad that they are kidnappers, but they haven't killed innocent citizens like the JTF is doing.

The Government labels the militants Oil theives! What immorality. A pot is calling a kettle black.
If theft of oil is a justification for attacking the militant camps, then the first place to attack should be politicians homes in Abuja.
The biggest thieves in Nigeria are the politicians. Their theft is responsible for all the problems Nigeria faces. We read daily of billions they steal. We see it in the houses they build, the cars they drive and and stashes of foreign currency they place in offshore bank accounts.

My Fear however, is the mentality of these Abuja/ Yar Adua types. By Abuja I mean the politicians in the executive and the legislative arm of Government from all states in Nigeria. By Abuja/YarAdua types I also mean the Northern Cabal that has held and keeps holding the Nation Hostage for selfish reasons that haven't been able to lift their citizens from abject poverty.
Why is it much easier to plan and execute a military operation , than to plan and execute a proper development program not just for the Niger Delta, but for the whole nation.

I see a very tactical blunder by Abuja in their decision to attack the militants. If the MEND succeeds in diminishing the country's capacity to export crude, where will Government get the finances to pay salaries, to import crude, to finance the already hugely deficited budgets, etc?
The cost to the Nation would be enormous and we might then begin to understand that the Niger Delta really lays the eggs that feed the nation.

The Federal government said (even b4 the present crises) it loses approximately N9 billion daily to the crisis in the Niger Delta.
That is N90 billion in ten days and N900 billion in 100 days.
In a year that is a whooping 3.3 trillion Naira! These are real figures, they aren't made up!


If you take just a quarter of that amount say 800 billion and expend it judiciously on infrastructural and human capacity development in the Niger
Delta, I bet you, the problem would be solved for ever. The citizens of the Niger Delta would be the first to throw stones at any militant that dares to kidnap even a monkey!

My point is simple. No amount of ammunitions on the part of the Federal Government would solve the problem. The solution lies in one word! Sincerety! A sincere desire to solve the problem is all it takes.
If it is easy to use N247 billion on just one road in Abuja,  why should it be so hard to expend judiciously in the areas that contribute the most.

A sincere desire to solve the problems would lead us to true federalism. True federalism doesn't necessarily mean full resource control.
True federalism would allow each and every area develop itself to its full capacity. That should solve to a large part, the problem in the Niger Delta.
Re: Who would win : MEND or JTF? by OneNaija(m): 11:52pm On May 26, 2009
Up Mend. They Need my support. Kills all the Nigeria Army.
Re: Who would win : MEND or JTF? by xterra2(m): 11:34pm On May 27, 2009
@OneNaija.
First and foremost,You HATE NAIJA,I dont think you are patriotic,you arent,if really you are why would you be supporting some groups of criminally minded idiots called Militants.im sure they are not up to a thousand or two.And they are the same people that hold our Nation to Ransom?They also are the people that are destroying our country's image.They also bring insecurity in the Niger delta Region.
MEND should be eliminated!period!!!!And i think the JTF is winning its just a matter of Weeks and MEND will be History!!!

Support whats better for your country,let your country be A secure place and with a better image abroad
Re: Who would win : MEND or JTF? by OneNaija(m): 1:04am On May 28, 2009
@xterra2 Who are you? tell me truth don't lie. Your papa na Politician or soldier pi kin.Do you understand what you just quote, wonderful. Are you telling me that those Mend Are holding your country ransom maybe you forget your brain somewhere else.You need to think before you talk thrash.I don't hate Nigeria those your Leader not my leader sending those Zombie to kills Innocent peoples must be kills.Obj and Yara dua who is stealing and looting billions of dollar and rigging election you don't say they are holding your country ransom and destroying the Imagine of Nigeria.


Those peoples cant sit back and fold their hands when Obj kills them if you forgot the misery they face and the govt make them carry arms. I will advice you to read back what Obj did to the Niger Delta
Re: Who would win : MEND or JTF? by Nobody: 8:08am On May 28, 2009
when a country is at war with itself, nobody wins
Re: Who would win : MEND or JTF? by denko(m): 11:13am On May 28, 2009
no victor no vanguish one naija. but the nigeria politician are more dangerous than the militants how many war have the federal government carry against those cabal that send the power sector to darkness.
Re: Who would win : MEND or JTF? by OneNaija(m): 11:37am On May 28, 2009
Na only Nigeria body them for they get power Why them nur go claim the land which Cameroon collect from them.Stupid Zombie Army
Re: Who would win : MEND or JTF? by DRANOEL(m): 12:56pm On May 28, 2009
@poster

militants were among the over 1200 killed, about 150 or so militants have been arrested and a large catchment of arms were recovered! dont you listen to news? mend were able to strike again but on a small scale compared to what they usually do after attacks by the military,the foreign news media actually carried the story of the destruction of camp5
Re: Who would win : MEND or JTF? by OneNaija(m): 1:31pm On May 28, 2009
Where is the dead body of the Militants? Is like Pharaoh wife asking Pharaoh were is Moses blood before he strike. before they bring News where is the Evidence.
Re: Who would win : MEND or JTF? by dnex(m): 1:40pm On May 28, 2009
They've come in all names and sizes: Mai Tatsine, Biafra, OPC, Bakassi, and they were hailed as indestructible, but they have always and will always be annihilated.

It just takes final decision making. The MEND we're all talking about is out there blowing up oil installations and facilities. Let's not forget that some of these oil facilities utilise some very nuclear materials. I could arrange a nuclear accident that could clean out the whole place. The whole JTF moving around in the jungle is just treating the issue with kid's gloves. So think of it. We're their children and they're just trying to scold us a little. In terms of all out "gbeghe" MEND is no match to a percent of the Biafran Military.
Re: Who would win : MEND or JTF? by PROJECT: 3:00pm On May 28, 2009
if thisis the way some of u think then am afraid that niaja is finished.ppl justify what politicians do but accuse the militants,am a niger deltan but what have i benefitted,aam a nigerian what have i benefitted,if ppl cannot be objective let them find something else to do,
Re: Who would win : MEND or JTF? by Jakumo(m): 3:52pm On May 28, 2009
With hardly ever a solid footing in the sprawling labyrinth of creeks, quicksand, rivers, poisoned forest and pipelines that is the Niger Delta, and with only a negligible minority of federal troops capable of swimming or treading water well enough to save their own lives, and fewer still as familiar with the theater of battle as are their fanatical adversaries, the odds of combat survival for front-line federal troops are bound to be desperately lower than they are for those elusive ghosts of the water - MEND, in spite of the federal military forces' absolute air superiority and clear numerical advantage in men, materiel and arms.

Armchair generals and internet pundits, baying for blood and calling for a decisive "Little Big Horn" battle that will conclusively vanquish the Niger Delta militiamen, will gradually fall silent as they witness the insurgency drag on into months and then years of cat-and-mouse skirmishes, interspersed with hit-and-run surprise raids, followed by retaliatory search-and-destroy invasions supported by indiscriminate bombardment and air strikes, all in a repeating cycle that inexorably, over time, will choke off Nigeria's only life-blood - oil.
Re: Who would win : MEND or JTF? by snowdrops(m): 4:27pm On May 28, 2009
With hardly ever a solid footing in the sprawling labyrinth of creeks, quicksand, rivers, poisoned forest and pipelines that is the Niger Delta, and with only a negligible minority of federal troops capable of swimming or treading water well enough to save their own lives, and fewer still as familiar with the theater of battle as are their fanatical adversaries, the odds of combat survival for front-line federal troops are bound to be desperately lower than they are for those elusive ghosts of the water - MEND, in spite of the federal military forces' absolute air superiority and clear numerical advantage in men, materiel and arms.

Armchair generals and internet pundits, baying for blood and calling for a decisive "Little Big Horn" battle that will conclusively vanquish the Niger Delta militiamen, will gradually fall silent as they witness the insurgency drag on into months and then years of cat-and-mouse skirmishes, interspersed with hit-and-run surprise raids, followed by retaliatory search-and-destroy invasions supported by indiscriminate bombardment and air strikes, all in a repeating cycle that inexorably, over time, will choke off Nigeria's only life-blood - oil.

You forget take your tablets today? You are a deluded fool.
Re: Who would win : MEND or JTF? by smooooooth: 4:32pm On May 28, 2009
the federal govt is being pushed by the oil companies and the internatioal community, who are in turn pushed by their greed at the expense of lives and property of pple who have been marginalised, oppressed for years. this show how insensitive and brainless our govt is.

i pray god gives mend the power to kill all the nigerian soldiers. this battle cannot be won or lost, what we will have is a resurgence of millitancy. not only in the niger delta, but in other regions of the state. cos ppple are beginging to see the true colours of this our one sided govt.

it is obvious this is so called war is a a crime of genocide, thats why no journalist have been allowed to go in the area and see whats happening, they will allow access only after things die down and they burn the bodies of the innocent pple they are killing.
Re: Who would win : MEND or JTF? by Backslider(m): 4:45pm On May 28, 2009
If the Nigerian Navy wants to end this "war" they now what to do. The militants know they are no match for the Nigerian Armed forces go and ask Liberia and Sierra leone or wait, dont go too far ask OPC Biafra and co.


I dont think armed conflict will solve it on the long run. but the military have a point to make.
Re: Who would win : MEND or JTF? by walata44(m): 4:46pm On May 28, 2009
Silly question
Re: Who would win : MEND or JTF? by WilyWily: 7:35pm On May 28, 2009
Our Brave Freedom Fighters are winning,
we will keep killing untrained Dirty Stinking Fulani/Hausa/Yoruba soldiers until they leave us alone.
Re: Who would win : MEND or JTF? by otokx(m): 8:08pm On May 28, 2009
JTF are just bombing farmlands and then making them up as camps, then they will show some dane guns and their charms as militant stuff. When they are tired and thoroughly beaten they will declare a ceasefire.
Re: Who would win : MEND or JTF? by asha80(m): 8:13pm On May 28, 2009
otokx:

JTF are just bombing farmlands and then making them up as camps, then they will show some dane guns and their charms as militant stuff. When they are tired and thoroughly beaten they will declare a ceasefire.

shocked angry cheesy
Re: Who would win : MEND or JTF? by Nobody: 10:24pm On May 28, 2009
Jakumo:

With hardly ever a solid footing in the sprawling labyrinth of creeks, quicksand, rivers, poisoned forest and pipelines that is the Niger Delta, and with only a negligible minority of federal troops capable of swimming or treading water well enough to save their own lives, and fewer still as familiar with the theater of battle as are their fanatical adversaries, the odds of combat survival for front-line federal troops are bound to be desperately lower than they are for those elusive ghosts of the water - MEND, in spite of the federal military forces' absolute air superiority and clear numerical advantage in men, materiel and arms.

Armchair generals and internet pundits, baying for blood and calling for a decisive "Little Big Horn" battle that will conclusively vanquish the Niger Delta militiamen, will gradually fall silent as they witness the insurgency drag on into months and then years of cat-and-mouse skirmishes, interspersed with hit-and-run surprise raids, followed by retaliatory search-and-destroy invasions supported by indiscriminate bombardment and air strikes, all in a repeating cycle that inexorably, over time, will choke off Nigeria's only life-blood - oil.

wole soyinka would not have elaborate it better than this!!! JAKUMO! our nairaland nobel laureate. grin grin grin grin
Re: Who would win : MEND or JTF? by Nobody: 2:12am On May 29, 2009
Lmao! grin grin cheesy
What Planet is Jakumo from?? Can't undastand an inch of his Illegal Vocabulary Structure.
What does Jakumo take NL for, ehn? Seun hope u're still awake.
Re: Who would win : MEND or JTF? by Thadude(m): 3:55am On May 29, 2009
Mend requires a joker to win the war, they require surface to air launchers these are just like RPG the difference is that once lunched they sense for the heat of the jets before exploding which makes them 100% accurate. That was what the Afghans used in defeating the russians and bring them to their kneels. If the militants are able to secure that weapon in 3days Niger-delta will declare independence from Nigeria. Any tribe thinking of breaking away from the fraud called Nigeria should first think about how to get surface to air missles. Its a highly classified U.S weapon tho! All they need is another charlie wilson in the U.S senate, just as charlie made the Afghan-russian war his personal war. Without the help of charlie to secure the Surface to air lunchers the Afghans would have bleed.
Re: Who would win : MEND or JTF? by Jakumo(m): 5:05am On May 29, 2009
brein:

Lmao! grin grin cheesy
What Planet is Jakumo from?? Can't undastand an inch of his Illegal Vocabulary Structure.
What does Jakumo take NL for, ehn? Seun hope u're still awake.

Be advised that failure to comprehend my submissions in Nairaland is a felonious criminal offence punishable by up to six months incarceration with hard labor, BUT, since this is your first offence, you will be assigned to serve as a satellite image technician under the dreaded Space-Meister,  Baron Becomerich, until such time as you repent your ways and sign a written undertaking never to default again in the future.
Re: Who would win : MEND or JTF? by texazzpete(m): 8:39am On May 29, 2009
Tha_dude:

Mend requires a joker to win the war, they require surface to air launchers these are just like RPG the difference is that once lunched they sense for the heat of the jets before exploding which makes them 100% accurate. That was what the Afghans used in defeating the russians and bring them to their kneels. If the militants are able to secure that weapon in 3days Niger-delta will declare independence from Nigeria. Any tribe thinking of breaking away from the fraud called Nigeria should first think about how to get surface to air missles. Its a highly classified U.S weapon tho! All they need is another charlie wilson in the U.S senate, just as charlie made the Afghan-russian war his personal war. Without the help of charlie to secure the Surface to air lunchers the Afghans would have bleed.

1. I think most people already know what a Surface-To-Air missile is
2. Heat Seeking SAMs have been in existence since the 50s, and they are made and sold by over 30 countries worldwide - Not solely the US. Highly classified my ass.
3. While modern SAMs have a higher accuracy, the Afgham war era Sparrow missiles and the SAM 7s aren't nearly 100% accurate. To the fair, they are pretty lethal against helicopters without countermeasures. I really doubt the Naijan helos pack flares. . .
Re: Who would win : MEND or JTF? by texazzpete(m): 8:57am On May 29, 2009
@Jakumo
When you think 'creeks', stop visualizing the twisted jungles of Vietnam. There are lots of open spaces the Navy can easily exploit, plus they have unchalleged air superiority.
The Millitants rely on surprise attacks and ambushes in numbers with speedboats. Once their camps are destroyed and the millitants dispersed, their ability as a credible fighting force will take a serious beating.
All the Navy has to do is starve them. Cut off their crude oil buyers, stop the state Governments from giving them 'peace' money and then make sure they kill as many of the millitants as possible to reduce their ranks. That'll do the trick.

Going through the forum, i'm shocked how people exhibit this much lack of patriotism. If a critical eye is cast on MEND, what have they to show for their struggle except to further retard development, create far more insecurity in the Delta and - HORROR OF HORRORS - to open the Pandora's box in Nigeria called Kidnapping.

To put this is perspective, even a brain dead manatee should know that Kidnapping for ransom will NEVER end again in Nigeria.

MEND killed several JTF personnel in cold blood. These people signed up to protect the country, and despite all flaws are our first line of defense - love 'em or hate 'em. These people have wives, kids, parents, families. They were breadwinners and fathers to many families. And all you lot can do is to demonise them, broadly apply a stereotype of them being thieves (even when the level of corruption in the army is merely a reflection of the Nigerian mindset) and sickeningly refer to them as 'dirty stinking Hausas/fulanis' (tell me, when was the last time any of you clowns carried out an assesment of the ethnic composition analysis of the JTF before concluding that all of them come from the north?). Is North = Evil?

Like it or not, the JTF is our army, and we need to avoid this knee-jerk criticism of everything they do. While i strongly criticise the indiscriminate use of force and i despair of the lack of precision shown by an exuberant army corps, they really must react to this provocation by tackling these MEND parasites head on. That is how it is.
Re: Who would win : MEND or JTF? by PapaBrowne(m): 10:55am On May 29, 2009
texazzpete:

@Jakumo
When you think 'creeks', stop visualizing the twisted jungles of Vietnam. There are lots of open spaces the Navy can easily exploit, plus they have unchalleged air superiority.
The Millitants rely on surprise attacks and ambushes in numbers with speedboats. Once their camps are destroyed and the millitants dispersed, their ability as a credible fighting force will take a serious beating.
All the Navy has to do is starve them. Cut off their crude oil buyers, stop the state Governments from giving them 'peace' money and then make sure they kill as many of the millitants as possible to reduce their ranks. That'll do the trick.

You have little idea what you talk about.
First, the creeks are a much more difficult terrain than the jungle.
While meandering through a jungle is predictably monotonous, on the other hand, every new creek you see is an entirely new terrain.
Worse still, the Nigerian Navy nor the Army never trained in the creeks as their initial job description was to protect our borders, hence they restricted their combat training to the high seas.
There is no greater nightmare for the military than to have to meander through the Niger Delta creeks, as every bend poses a danger  cos militants could lay ambush on the other side.
I'm still amazed that up until this day, the military hasn't captured or claimed to have killed any large number of militants.

texazzpete:

MEND killed several JTF personnel in cold blood. These people signed up to protect the country, and despite all flaws are our first line of defense - love 'em or hate 'em. These people have wives, kids, parents, families. They were breadwinners and fathers to many families.

' (tell me, when was the last time any of you clowns carried out an assesment of the ethnic composition analysis of the JTF before concluding that all of them come from the north?). Is North = Evil?

Like it or not, the JTF is our army, and we need to avoid this knee-jerk criticism of everything they do.

These people have wives, kids, parents and families?? Do the innocent hundreds they killed not have loved ones too?
If you've ever been to the Niger Delta, you'd know that over 80% of the JTF is of the Hausa/Fulani Stock!
The JTF is whose army??

I do not support the militants but I have no choice but to support their ideology in the face of a deliberate attempt by Abuja/ YarAdua types/Northern hegemoists to prevent this nation from experiencing true federalism.
Why is it so hard to just sincerely tackle the real issues??
Re: Who would win : MEND or JTF? by dnex(m): 5:11pm On May 29, 2009
I get quite confused when some individual comes onto a thread and boldly brandishes their ignorance by referring to Surface to Air Missiles as top secret U.S intelligence. I bow to you my fellow Nigerian.

I have said this before. When ordinary Mai Tatsine was disturbing the peace in the North, everyone claimed that the Nigerian Military could not defeat his army of kids. OPC came and people claimed their Juju could not be surmounted. There are all sorts of armed groups that have made their mark, but they were still quenched.

The Biafrans were the best prepared, the best organised, the most armed and with the largest armed forces. Besides also having an Airforce, they had Mercenary Swiss, French and Swedish fighters. They had as much supply of arms and communition as they wished to acquire from France, through Guinea, Cameroun and various other nations. They had a well organised propaganda media structure in Europe which drew foreign support, they had Radio Biafra at home and they were fighting a more genuine cause with more dedicated personnel. There was also discipline, for once in a while, Generals who failed woefully were sent to the firing squad. I know most of you are unaware of that.

Tell me, could it even have been possible for MEND or and band of kidnapping touts to challenge just a percent of that ruthless Biafran Military and survived?

I have said it before. If we want to end this melee in a week, all we need do is promise our Chinese allies that CNOOC would get a couple of oilwells, and they will set up a thermonuclear incident whose fallout will span Rivers to Ondo and take out every mammal that remains in the zone. All this JTF vs MEND is just for show.

When it hits the fan, MEND know they're no match. Let's all continue to hope somebody in Abuja is not taking this matter personal.
Re: Who would win : MEND or JTF? by Nobody: 7:31pm On May 29, 2009
Topic.

No idea.
Re: Who would win : MEND or JTF? by JosBoy4Lif(m): 12:36am On May 30, 2009
mikeansy:

when a country is at war with itself, nobody wins

awesome statement man. It's speaks volumes
Re: Who would win : MEND or JTF? by FACE(m): 1:40am On May 30, 2009
dnex:

I get quite confused when some individual comes onto a thread and boldly brandishes their ignorance by referring to Surface to Air Missiles as top secret U.S intelligence. I bow to you my fellow Nigerian. The following parts in bold are even more ignorant than presuming that SAMs are top secret US weapons.

I have said this before. When ordinary Mai Tatsine was disturbing the peace in the North, everyone claimed that the Nigerian Military could not defeat his army of kids. OPC came and people claimed their Juju could not be surmounted. There are all sorts of armed groups that have made their mark, but they were still quenched.

The Biafrans were the best prepared, the best organised, the most armed and with the largest armed forces. Besides also having an Airforce, they had Mercenary Swiss, French and Swedish fighters. They had as much supply of arms and communition as they wished to acquire from France, through Guinea, Cameroun and various other nations. They had a well organised propaganda media structure in Europe which drew foreign support, they had Radio Biafra at home and they were fighting a more genuine cause with more dedicated personnel. There was also discipline, for once in a while, Generals who failed woefully were sent to the firing squad. I know most of you are unaware of that.

Tell me, could it even have been possible for MEND or and band of kidnapping touts to challenge just a percent of that ruthless Biafran Military and survived?

I have said it before. If we want to end this melee in a week, all we need do is promise our Chinese allies that CNOOC would get a couple of oilwells, and they will set up a thermonuclear incident whose fallout will span Rivers to Ondo and take out every mammal that remains in the zone. All this JTF vs MEND is just for show.

When it hits the fan, MEND know they're no match. Let's all continue to hope somebody in Abuja is not taking this matter personal.

Please dont say what you know nothing about.
Re: Who would win : MEND or JTF? by dnex(m): 8:20am On May 30, 2009
@FACE

and you stop quoting what you're clueless about.
Re: Who would win : MEND or JTF? by SapeleGuy: 10:28am On May 30, 2009
dnex:


I have said it before. If we want to end this melee in a week, all we need do is promise our Chinese allies that CNOOC would get a couple of oilwells, and they will set up a thermonuclear incident whose fallout will span Rivers to Ondo and take out every mammal that remains in the zone. All this JTF vs MEND is just for show.

When it hits the fan, MEND know they're no match. Let's all continue to hope somebody in Abuja is not taking this matter personal.

This is not about Biafra. Do you really think, that if your 'incident' happens it will be impossible to set up similar incidents in North, East & West?

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