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Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by AjaraEwuro: 4:03pm On Jun 01, 2009
@Becomrich.

Yea, you can be a better president or governor, but i wont vote for you until you change your name, obviously, from your name, you just want to get rich, become rich, and thats it, you dont have any other mission.
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by Kobojunkie: 4:38pm On Jun 01, 2009
The man in question should move back to Nigeria if he is not happy being a cleaner oo!! I mean these things happen to most of us all. Majority start off with some Nigerian degree, the key is to prove what is on paper is true and once you are able to, doors open for you left and right.
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by ElRazur: 5:02pm On Jun 01, 2009
@labiyemmy:

Just a simple question? If the above in bold fonts are realy true, why do some of us still got all it takes to break into the UK market with our Nigerian degrees and still came out being the best everywhere we work or at whatever we do? Why did the UK govt recruit many people to work in Britain under the HSMP Visa if Nigerian Universities turn out shit?

It is not a case of whether they are really true or not. It is a common knowledge.

As with every country, UK do sought after highly trained professionals. If an Astronaut who have been to the moon and worked for NASA applied for a job in the UK, then there are every chances that he would get it. You know why? His skills are highly specialised.

Nigeria's education system is in disarray. How are student meant to benefit when a three years course last five years instead due to strike?

Don't get me wrong, it in every bad situation, there are people who are able to make difference. However, I am speaking with the overall picture in mind here.

As for the VISA programme. Please go over to the NHS website and see if for yourself. Most of the jobs advertised now no longer qualify for "work permit" [Now known as Two tier certificate or so]. Forget what these agencies advertise back in Nigeria. A job in the UK must first be advertised for at least two weeks with preferences given to UK citizen BEFORE Europeans and outsiders are considered. This is something you can easily verify your self.


@labiyemmy:

If you graduate as a medical doctor in Nigeria and you go to where ever to mess up, chances are that you are not that good academically and professionally and it has nothing to do with the state of Nigerian Universities because if you search properly, you will come across loads of people graduating from the same University and doing marvelously well in other countries Worldwide, even in the same Canada.

You are missing the point. A failing education system cannot produce a well educated individual.

In Nigeria's system, emphasis are laid on theory. Emphasis are laid on knowing shit by heart. Yet on comparison to here, emphasis are laid on actually understanding the concepts, emphasis are laid on hands on experience. etc.

I am not been patronizing here, but I would rather be examined by a med student over here, than a doctor in Nigeria.

My nephew is one of the best in his class at the dentistry school in Lagos. He came here for a university exchange-like programme in Newcastle, and after a few days he was forced to admit that we [back home] really have a long way to go. This is someone who is a blindly patriotic like "Ajala ewuro" and co.

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Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by ElRazur: 5:10pm On Jun 01, 2009
becomrich.:

It as nothing to do with Nigeria educational system. Even Canadian cant find a job. Is there own educational system wrong to.

Let tell ourself the truth. The statistics over here says more than 50% of black people own their business. When I got here. I had a friend who was born here, while I was going about looking for a job, because he was born here, he already knows his chance where slim. He started a business after finishing the university. He went to the buy to borrow money. He lives a 0.5 million houses now. And he is black. He gain his experience from his fathers mistake.

So the truth is as a black person, your chanceare slim getting a job. Even the probability of female black person is 10 times higher than a black man. There are more black women working than black men.

The issue is create a job for yourself. Do not wait to get the perfect job. Why do others have to employ you. Why not you employ others. Look put this in your head, nobody employ you to enrich you.

Musiwa.


Another clone account? undecided

We are talking about two different things here. You are talking about lack of job. I am talking about why Nigeria's graduate may have a hard time finding job.

As for your story, erm I would leave that for others to comment on.
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by Kobojunkie: 5:13pm On Jun 01, 2009
ElRazur:

It is not a case of whether they are really true or not. It is a common knowledge.

As with every country, UK do sought after highly trained professionals. If an Astronaut who have been to the moon and worked for NASA applied for a job in the UK, then there are every chances that he would get it. You know why? His skills are highly specialised.

Nigeria's education system is in disarray. How are student meant to benefit when a three years course last five years instead due to strike?

Don't get me wrong, it in every bad situation, there are people who are able to make difference. However, I am speaking with the overall picture in mind here.

As for the VISA programme. Please go over to the NHS website and see if for yourself. Most of the jobs advertised now no longer qualify for "work permit" [Now known as Two tier certificate or so]. Forget what these agencies advertise back in Nigeria. A job in the UK must first be advertised for at least two weeks with preferences given to UK citizen BEFORE Europeans and outsiders are considered. This is something you can easily verify your self.


You are missing the point. A failing education system cannot produce a well educated individual.

In Nigeria's system, emphasis are laid on theory. Emphasis are laid on knowing shit by heart. Yet on comparison to here, emphasis are laid on actually understanding the concepts, emphasis are laid on hands on experience. etc.

I am not been patronizing here, but I would rather be examined by a med student over here, than a doctor in Nigeria.

My nephew is one of the best in his class at the dentistry school in Lagos. He came here for a university exchange-like programme in Newcastle, and after a few days he was forced to admit that we [back home] really have a long way to go. This is someone who is a blindly patriotic like "Ajala ewuro" and co.


Good points there !!
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by Becomrich: 5:25pm On Jun 01, 2009
Kobojunkie , may be you went to school in the igboland. that is a joke. That is not true. It is not the nigeria education system. Look nigerian still get jobs abroad. 90% of the people working for Glo and MTN are nigerian engineers and the same technology used over here is been used in Nigeria. The nigeria cell phone company have over 20 million user. On the GSM system.

So it is the same technology been used. Airplane are the same around the world. Nigerian engineers fly airplane and maintain them.

Look nigerian engineers 99% maintain and drill for oil used all over the world. and the second supplier of oil to the USA. this sector is run by nigerian engineers . They never schooled abroad.

The GSM system, even nigeria system in the telecommunication is more update that those use in most part of the world. More than a 1000 plane a week.

We run the same technology. the issue is, there is no job. Older generation are no ready to quit thier jobs. they want the retirement age to 100 years, joke.
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by manny4life(m): 5:26pm On Jun 01, 2009
"In Nigeria's system, emphasis are laid on theory. Emphasis are laid on knowing shit by heart. Yet on comparison to here, emphasis are laid on actually understanding the concepts, emphasis are laid on hands on experience. etc.

I am not been patronizing here, but I would rather be examined by a med student over here, than a doctor in Nigeria."

I like this part. This is same thing I try to explain to my Nigerian friends, through our 4years in college, we go through rigorous concepts and more importantly hands on experience, thus making it an experience and preparing you for the job market, as compared to Nigeria they learn or better yet  they "CRAM" which doesn't help. Back to the post, if you were a doctor and became a cleaner, then there are things that you not doing right. Yes u know the theoretical aspects, but lack the in-depth knowledge and experience applied to it. Simple and short, period.
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by ThiefOfHearts(f): 5:28pm On Jun 01, 2009
Obviously wasnt a real doctor.

Better learn some French and get to cleaning
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by NegroNtns(m): 5:31pm On Jun 01, 2009
Representation is also part of the problem.  When I say representation, I mean the social perception of what Nigeria stand for and the enhancements of those perceptions during personal contact with Nigerians.  

You can look at the orientals.  The public perception is that they are smart and are whiz kids and disciplined.  In contact, they promote that image of their public acceptance.   Same with the Indians.  They are everywhere in IT field and in science.  They penetrated into media and almost every city in America now has an Indian broadcaster on the tube - an easy access to further advance their cause.  They have political lobbyists who vett their interests in political circles.  They pool resources together to formulate a common enterprise approach to economic progress.

So we must ask. . .  how is Nigeria viewed in Canada and how can Nigerinas in Canada influence a positive image in that country so that Nigerian immigrants are valued and accepted as positive contributors to the society?


On another angle, academic degrees are tools of capitalism.  With it you go into the labor force to earn a living and promote the interests of capitalism.  So whether you are a cab driver or a medical doctor, you are an active participant in capitalism.  The doctor is no better a capitalist than the driver.  So from a commercial angle, the market could care less who you are. . .its what is in your pocket that carries weight and you are valued on account of that. So maybe instead of harping on professional title and degrees, we Nigerians ought instead to step back and go back to a time when we appreciated one another's humanity.  Then the world will again accept us for our values, as they did in the 60s, 70s and 80s.

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Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by Kobojunkie: 5:33pm On Jun 01, 2009
manny4life:

I like this part. This is same thing I try to explain to my Nigerian friends, through our 4years in college, we go through rigorous concepts and more importantly hands on experience, thus making it an experience and preparing you for the job market, as compared to Nigeria they learn or better yet  they "CRAM" which doesn't help. Back to the post, if you were a doctor and became a cleaner, then there are things that you not doing right. Yes u know the theoretical aspects, but lack the in-depth knowledge and experience applied to it. Simple and short, period.

Exactly!!

I think the man can still become a doctor if he is willing to apply what he already knows into obtaining what he wants here. Most everyone does that to excel here and anywhere else. Even friends who attended medical school in the UK still need to pass exams and take classes here before they can be recognized as doctors and be allowed to practise. Why not the cleaner?
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by Tats(m): 5:33pm On Jun 01, 2009
This Canada issue has been going on for a long time. It has been discussed in this forum and you can check out more details in the website http://www.notcanada.com/.

You can't compare Canada with the UK when it comes to getting skilled jobs. Many skilled professionals from Nigeria hold very good jobs here in the UK and they studied in Nigeria. We know that in the UK medical field, it has become difficult as preference is now given to UK and EU citizens, but that has not stopped Nigerians from still making progress in Medicine. It is not the same in Canada. Very few migrants get befitting jobs and most who go there for further studies end up continuing to study further and work in Universities. Pharmacists do have a better chance of practising in Canada as there are demands for them, but qualifying to practice is nonetheless difficult

Most Nigerian graduates that come to the UK for further studies always acknowledge that we have a long way to go in Nigeria, but they still go on to do well. This is mainly because they have studied the hard way, are very adaptable and can cope, all in a bid to succeed.
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by NegroNtns(m): 5:33pm On Jun 01, 2009
In Nigeria's system, emphasis are laid on theory. Emphasis are laid on knowing shit by heart. Yet on comparison to here, emphasis are laid on actually understanding the concepts, emphasis are laid on hands on experience.


. . .application.  True talk!
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by asha80(m): 5:38pm On Jun 01, 2009
Tats:

This Canada issue has been going on for a long time. It has been discussed in this forum and you can check out more details in the website http://www.notcanada.com/.

You can't compare Canada with the UK when it comes to getting skilled jobs. Many skilled professionals from Nigeria hold very good jobs here in the UK and they studied in Nigeria. We know that in the UK medical field, it has become difficult as preference is now given to UK and EU citizens, but that has not stopped Nigerians from still making progress in the Medicine. It is not the same in Canada. Very few migrants get befitting jobs and most who go there for further studies end up continuing to study further and work in Universities. Pharmacists do have a better chance of practising in Canada as there is demand for them, but qualifying to practice is nonetheless difficult

Most Nigerian graduates that come to the UK for further studies always acknowledge that we have a long way to go in Nigeria, but they still go on to do well. This is mainly because they have studied the hard way, are very adaptable and can cope, all in a bid to succeed.


So should we continue on the 'hardway' of studying?
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by manny4life(m): 5:41pm On Jun 01, 2009
Becomrich:

Kobojunkie , may be you went to school in the igboland. that is a joke. That is not true. It is not the nigeria education system. Look nigerian still get jobs abroad. 90% of the people working for Glo and MTN are nigerian engineers and the same technology used over here is been used in Nigeria.  The nigeria cell phone company have over 20 million user. On the GSM system.

So it is the same technology been used. Airplane are the same around the world. Nigerian engineers  fly airplane and maintain them.

Look nigerian engineers 99% maintain and drill for oil used all over the world. and the second supplier of  oil to the USA. this sector is run by nigerian engineers . They never schooled abroad.

The GSM system, even nigeria system in the telecommunication is more update that those use in most part of the world. More than a 1000 plane a week.

We run the same technology. the issue is, there is no job. Older generation are no ready to quit thier jobs. they want the retirement age to 100 years,  joke.

You said it yourself. They obviously do all that in "Nigeria", and not abroad. Boeing for example would not hire any Aerospace engineering student who did not make at least a 3.4 (Cum laude), doesn't have any college project experience, no internship, just nothing. Yes Boeing will train them, but wont hire them. Same with pilots, the went to flight school to train, but believe me, it would be hard for any top US American airline to hire them  because of the limited hands on experience. Only a few make the exception though. Same applies to the fields you mentioned above.

What telecommunication company in Nigeria is ahead of that of a US company? Do u mean per technology or Assets, which?
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by IKEYMAN1: 5:42pm On Jun 01, 2009
@@@@@@@@@@ post

for the first time i agree with becomeyeye joke oooo

i think he is the only one making sense here

other are chattin shit!! sorri to say oo

but as for delta,bayelsea thing never!!!!
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by IKEYMAN1: 5:43pm On Jun 01, 2009
doctors or niaja certificate

well i know some one that graduated in naija that works in ireland as a doctor now

so can someone elighten me on that
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by ThiefOfHearts(f): 5:46pm On Jun 01, 2009
Windex l'omo
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by manny4life(m): 5:47pm On Jun 01, 2009
becomrich.:

Nigeria telecommunication system is so update than that nigeria telecommunication company are far ahead of north america companies. While coaxil cable is still be use to run ground line abroad. Nigeria have stop that, we have switich over to wireless ground lines. which is not common in most  countries. And this are maintain by Nigeria engineers.

I used 5 years in my first degree compare to 4 used abroad. and we would 6 years plus working in national service .  So we have 2 years of solid practical expericence than even those who school abroad.

No job, is the issue. create job for yourself. Do not blame canada for your bad leadership. they have thier own problem to solve. Blame your leaders bad vision and fired if they fail to perform.

What Nigerian telecommunication company is better than that in North America (obviously U.S)? Do you mean in technology (R&grin), or in Asset Acquisition, which is it ? I like to know because I really want to do this research.
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by Tats(m): 5:50pm On Jun 01, 2009
asha 80:

[/b] So should we continue on the 'hardway' of studying?

Absolutely nothing has changed in Nigeria's Educational system that suggests an improvement.
It is a pity that Nigerian students will continue to learn the hard and painful way!
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by manny4life(m): 5:54pm On Jun 01, 2009
Tats:

Absolutely nothing has changed in Nigeria's Educational system that suggests an improvement.
It is a pity that Nigerian students will continue to learn the hard and painful way!

That's true.

It isn't fair for them learning the hard way, yet not the right way.
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by AjanleKoko: 6:06pm On Jun 01, 2009
manny4life:

You said it yourself. They obviously do all that in "Nigeria", and not abroad. Boeing for example would not hire any Aerospace engineering student who did not make at least a 3.4 (Cum laude), doesn't have any college project experience, no internship, just nothing. Yes Boeing will train them, but wont hire them. Same with pilots, the went to flight school to train, but believe me, it would be hard for any top US American airline to hire them  because of the limited hands on experience. Only a few make the exception though. Same applies to the fields you mentioned above.

What telecommunication company in Nigeria is ahead of that of a US company? Do u mean per technology or Assets, which?

Few things for the record here, guys:
1. There is no telecoms company in Nigeria, Africa or the rest of the world,  that compares with a US wireless operator, wrt technology. Say, Cingular, or T-Mobile.  Vodafone only competes with the US carriers in assets and overall value, not in technology.

2. Nigerian engineers who cut their teeth in mobile technology in Nigeria, with no experience anywhere but Nigeria, have been exported to just about anywhere in the world, from Africa to Europe and the Americas. I have two ex-classmates who are currently working with Cingular in Seattle. They were hired directly out of Nigeria, have not worked anywhere else, and had their H1-B sponsored directly by Cingular. Same thing happened '98-2001 during the dot-com boom, where there were massive hirings of Nigerians in the US and Canada, again directly out of Nigeria. After the bust of 2001, and possibly 9/11, there was a slowdown in H1-B issuance, and Nigeria lost out.

Draw any conclusion you like from what I posted, but these are the facts I know. Too many engineers have been hired out of Nigerian GSM operators by Ericsson and converted to global contractors for me to dismiss as 'exceptions'. Some of these chaps didn't even study engineering in school (in Nigeria)!

I think I like this view better.
Negro_Ntns:

Representation is also part of the problem.  When I say representation, I mean the social perception of what Nigeria stand for and the enhancements of those perceptions during personal contact with Nigerians.  

You can look at the orientals.  The public perception is that they are smart and are whiz kids and disciplined.  In contact, they promote that image of their public acceptance.   Same with the Indians.  They are everywhere in IT field and in science.  They penetrated into media and almost every city in America now has an Indian broadcaster on the tube - an easy access to further advance their cause.  They have political lobbyists who vett their interests in political circles.  They pool resources together to formulate a common enterprise approach to economic progress.

So we must ask. . .  how is Nigeria viewed in Canada and how can Nigerinas in Canada influence a positive image in that country so that Nigerian immigrants are valued and accepted as positive contributors to the society?


On another angle, academic degrees are tools of capitalism.  With it you go into the labor force to earn a living and promote the interests of capitalism.  So whether you are a cab driver or a medical doctor, you are an active participant in capitalism.  The doctor is no better a capitalist than the driver.  So from a commercial angle, the market could care less who you are. . .its what is in your pocket that carries weight and you are valued on account of that. So maybe instead of harping on professional title and degrees, we Nigerians ought instead to step back and go back to a time when we appreciated one another's humanity.  Then the world will again accept us for our values, as they did in the 60s, 70s and 80s.

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Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by redsun(m): 6:18pm On Jun 01, 2009
It is the height of moral decadence,wasted education,educated but not enlightened,according to dnex somewhere.

For you to be educated,you have to be able to make things happen,that is why it's our responsibilities to change our system as educated people,not running away from it.
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by manny4life(m): 6:22pm On Jun 01, 2009
@ AjanleKoko  "Too many engineers have been hired out of Nigerian GSM operators by Ericsson and converted to global contractors for me to dismiss as 'exceptions'. Some of these chaps didn't even study engineering in school (in Nigeria)!"

I agree with you on other thing the fact that Nigerian telecoms don't compare to that of U.S. While I'm not disputing the fact that Nigerian engineers have been hired by Global telecommunications companies, perhaps if you will clearly understood, hence the term "exception" to fit in this categories; experience, knowledge base, education etc. Yes no argument they were hired like u said as Global contractors, what is the percentage of this engineers hired out of Nigeria as compared to the entire engineers working in the Nigerian telecommunication comapny? Also what % of this Nigerian global contractors represent the enitre Global contractors working for large telecom firms. Well, not if they they represent a large % (at least 1/4 ), then I believe they are within the exception rage.
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by AjanleKoko: 6:34pm On Jun 01, 2009
manny4life:

@ AjanleKoko "Too many engineers have been hired out of Nigerian GSM operators by Ericsson and converted to global contractors for me to dismiss as 'exceptions'. Some of these chaps didn't even study engineering in school (in Nigeria)!"

I agree with you on other thing the fact that Nigerian telecoms don't compare to that of U.S. While I'm not disputing the fact that Nigerian engineers have been hired by Global telecommunications companies, perhaps if you will clearly understood, hence the term "exception" to fit in this categories; experience, knowledge base, education etc. Yes no argument they were hired like u said as Global contractors, what is the percentage of this engineers hired out of Nigeria as compared to the entire engineers working in the Nigerian telecommunication comapny? Also what % of this Nigerian global contractors represent the enitre Global contractors working for large telecom firms.

Good questions.
Firstly, there are not too many of these Nigerian engineers. But we've seen whole departments join the global contracting train in Nigeria. Believe you me. If you have 30 competent engineers and 25 of them suddenly turn to contractors, is that significant enough ratio from you? Now the telcos in Nigeria are even pre-empting the brain drain by outsouring to the vendors like Ericsson, rather than maintaining few skilled staff you can't keep.

For your second question: I think that'd be a general thing for the Nigerian workforce. Even for those of you working in the diaspora, how many are part of the global contracting workforce? How many work highly mobile, specialized jobs? Most Nigerians abroad are settled somewhere, as opposed to Indians, Chinese, and Finipinos who are scattered around everywhere from Nouakchott to Caracas, earning in some cases thousands of dollars in a day, moving back and forth from their country to their contracting location. Even in Nigeria's oilfields, you have Filipinos who spend six weeks in Escravos, and eight in Manila, all expenses paid for by the hiring company. Those are mobile workers, not immigrants.

By sheer population, we can't match those guys, of course, so the number of Nigerians compared to the number of, say, Chinese or Indians, is nothing. But as far as black people go, 9 times out of 10 you run into a black man in a contracting position in telecoms anywhere in the world today, that black man is a Nigerian. Heck, a former colleague is even contracting in Afghanistan!
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by manny4life(m): 6:52pm On Jun 01, 2009
AjanleKoko:

Good questions.
Firstly, there are not too many of these Nigerian engineers. But we've seen whole departments join the global contracting train in Nigeria. Believe you me. If you have 30 competent engineers and 25 of them suddenly turn to contractors, is that significant enough ratio from you? Now the telcos in Nigeria are even pre-empting the brain drain by outsouring to the vendors like Ericsson, rather than maintaining few skilled staff you can't keep.

For your second question: I think that'd be a general thing for the Nigerian workforce. Even for those of you working in the diaspora, how many are part of the global contracting workforce? How many work highly mobile, specialized jobs? Most Nigerians abroad are settled somewhere, as opposed to Indians, Chinese, and Finipinos who are scattered around everywhere from Nouakchott to Caracas, earning in some cases thousands of dollars in a day, moving back and forth from their country to their contracting location. Even in Nigeria's oilfields, you have Filipinos who spend six weeks in Escravos, and eight in Manila, all expenses paid for by the hiring company. Those are mobile workers, not immigrants.

By sheer population, we can't match those guys, of course, so the number of Nigerians compared to the number of, say, Chinese or Indians, is nothing. But as far as black people go, 9 times out of 10 you run into a black man in a contracting position in telecoms anywhere in the world today, that black man is a Nigerian. Heck, a former colleague is even contracting in Afghanistan!


While your statistics couldn't prove the number of telecom engineers in Nigeria, I will assume for the purpose of this argument, its a recognizable figure based on the fact the we have rising telecom operators in Nigeria. However, I could be wrong, nevertheless, I will accept as you say it. Moreover, you made an interesting claim you said "If you have 30 competent engineers and 25 of them suddenly turn to contractors, is that significant enough ratio from you?" I believed you used the word "competent" obviously not all telecom engineers are competent, but few made the exception criteria; "competency".
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by AloyEmeka9: 6:54pm On Jun 01, 2009

abeg stop besmirching unilorin with that quack
I was quoting him. Becomerich/Musiwa said it himself that he was trained at the university of Illorin as an "electric" engineer and he graduated with a first class[magnum cum laude ]. He once touted himself as a genius when he said  "my friend I know book" to a member here. Are you trying to deny Becomerich his achievements and put a motion to withdraw his academic degree?. wetin be your own?
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by AloyEmeka9: 7:00pm On Jun 01, 2009
My sis studied in nigeria, and she is practicing in NY right now. she had one of the highest scores in the accreditation exams ( i forget the name of the exams)

if you are a professional, it is better you migrate when you are young and still able to pass the relevent accreditation exams. end of story.
That is why the US still remain the best country to immigrate into. The US offers the best opportunity to any immigrant no matter where you came from. I know some of my peeps that are working in the US as graduates with degrees from Nigerian universities. Many people that emigrated to the US from 2000-present worked with their degrees from their home countries. My own cousin studied pharmacy in UNN and never went to a school for one day in the US yet all he did was write the board exam and that was it.
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by manny4life(m): 7:20pm On Jun 01, 2009
becomrich.:

Nigerian graduate are graduate,  I gave you example of people that commited suicide that went to Canadian universities after they could not find jobs.

You see this is one of the reason, I believe soludo should have been fired.  He does not know how to run an economy. One of the secret of the USA success story is entrepreneurship. Soludo killed entrepreneurship in the banking sector. A lot of people lost their jobs. We could have had more banks and still kept the standard of banking in Nigeria.

The USA have more than 1000 banks with a population of 300 million. That why the USA produces more millionaires. Sanusi should drop the price of licences banks. So that our generation can start bank from zero investment.  Why should femi otedola should keep money in your bank, when he can have his bank and have you keep your money in his, or dangote. Why?


We don’t have leaders with vision. We should see our population is increasing and make plan for this.  Look if the yorubas, edo, delta and bayelsa is not remove to Benin republic we would have major problem in our hands.

Do you blame Canada for your graduate going around the world looking for jobs. No. You blame your leaders. What jobs have your governors and president created since been in power. Is it cab drive that is the job. No. They have to think of how to turn around the economy. Manufacturing is the answer.

It is possible to turn around the economy. How the word is entrepreneurship. Open up the banking system that soludo destroy with better regulation.
Do not charge too much licenses fee for companies willing to start a business. If I have to buy a license for N10 million what would I put in the business, if govt is killing my business by asking for too much money.

If  I am president I would drop licenses fee in any sectors of the economy to close to zero. This is the way to bring back the spirit of entrepreneurship. Soludo and other killed entrepreneurship for monopoly because of their friend who were in their mafia. Government policy should not be made to favour a few. What is soludo business if Wema bank wanted to service only the south west. If you look at the others bank in Nigeria, none of them even till today as I write have branches as wide spread in the south west like Wema bank. Wema bank is the only bank in Nigeria at the moment with the largest reach of banks in the south west. But soludo went after it. For what reason  If northerner want to have region banks, it is their business. Nigerian should have the choice to decide where they want to bank, either a regional bank or national bank.

I think one think obasanjo did right who license more universities. They may be small today, but in future they would get better. We need more license.



After living abroad for I while. I think I can be president. And a better president or governor than any of those ruling you. I believe I can give you people a better life. And hope for your children using the knowledge and skill , I have learn over many years. I am better prepared for leadership, I am God fearing and can deliver what you need to make a better lifes for you people. Creativity is the skill to leadership. I am ready to faces any Nigeria leader on the issue of how to turn around the economy. It takes so much money to run for president in Nigeria. Even obama had to seek for fund to do that. If I can raise that much money either thru the internet and otherwise. I intend to run for office if the bill to remove the yorubas, edo, delta and bayelsa do not pass in the house. I think we need a change. We need a change from the past. We need a trust change, not some stupid agenda that have no real solution to people lifes.

But true honest leadership. That can look at its people to the faces and tell them the truth. We reform in all sector of our lifes. I still believe by the national assembly removing the yorubas, edo, delta and bayelsa into benin republic and given the north 90% of the land and 70% of the oil, that that true change would start.


No offense, but where did you get your own entrepreneurial degree from? As much as you claimed the U.S. to have more than a 1,000 banks, you fail to admit how many of those banks that have been distressed or even liquidated. Although I don't live in Nigeria, articles and research has shown that he did the best thing to shore up the capital of all banks, averting the disaster that befell Lehman Brothers and the rest of them. While I agree that license fees should drop, yet every entrepreneur need capital. What Soludo did was pure finance and economics; encourage banking, mergers and acquisition, venture capitalism, to increase the Asset. Even President Obama said same thing the reason why U.S. small business did not get the stimulus funding, he quoted that for every $1 that is loaned to big banks results to $10 worth of revenues to small business and something like that.  Here in the US, research showed the small business make up about 85% of the business, and large corporations make about 7-10%, but it might surprise you that the large corps are the ones that contribute immensely about 80% to our GDP. This is what one of my professors referred to as reverse economics. As you are also aware that 70% or more of small business go out of business within their first year of business and I'm sure you know why. My point is while I encourage small business and entrepreneurial ideas, it does not contribute much to the economy.

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Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by jidobaba(m): 7:32pm On Jun 01, 2009
Okay. My own be say nobody, no GADDEM body/bodies should ever again run down Nigerian graduates. If u went to college in some backwater in england, that is the business of you and your wasteful sponsors, dont try justifying such frivolity by attacking GREATEST NIG STUDENTS.
Come to naija and see if your degree from wiwiwamshire university will get you that job. Shwww
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by Nobody: 7:38pm On Jun 01, 2009
Aloy.Emeka:

I was quoting him. Becomerich/Musiwa said it himself that he was trained at the university of Illorin as an "electric" engineer and he graduated with a first class[magnum cum laude ]. He once touted himself as a genius when he said  "my friend I know book" to a member here. Are you trying to deny Becomerich his achievements and put a motion to withdraw his academic degree?. wetin be your own?

i am a unilorin graduate

just as yorubas are embarassed by becomrich's antics, i am horrified by his claims that he is a unilorin graduate (our 2nd generation no bad reach that level) . can you imagine if any HR peeps see his posts and his claims that he is a unilorin electricity engineer? no more jobs for unilorites
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by AloyEmeka9: 7:42pm On Jun 01, 2009

i am a unilorin graduate

just as yorubas are embarassed by becomrich's antics, i am horrified by his claims that he is a unilorin graduate (our 2nd generation no bad reach that level) . can you imagine if any HR peeps see his posts and his claims that he is a unilorin electricity engineer? no more jobs for unilorites
Lol, BecomeRich was a science student and who knows Unilorin engineering school may be accepting candidates with a P8 in english.

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