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Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by AjaraEwuro: 4:03pm On Jun 01, 2009 |
@Becomrich. Yea, you can be a better president or governor, but i wont vote for you until you change your name, obviously, from your name, you just want to get rich, become rich, and thats it, you dont have any other mission. |
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by Kobojunkie: 4:38pm On Jun 01, 2009 |
The man in question should move back to Nigeria if he is not happy being a cleaner oo!! I mean these things happen to most of us all. Majority start off with some Nigerian degree, the key is to prove what is on paper is true and once you are able to, doors open for you left and right. |
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by ElRazur: 5:02pm On Jun 01, 2009 |
@labiyemmy: It is not a case of whether they are really true or not. It is a common knowledge. As with every country, UK do sought after highly trained professionals. If an Astronaut who have been to the moon and worked for NASA applied for a job in the UK, then there are every chances that he would get it. You know why? His skills are highly specialised. Nigeria's education system is in disarray. How are student meant to benefit when a three years course last five years instead due to strike? Don't get me wrong, it in every bad situation, there are people who are able to make difference. However, I am speaking with the overall picture in mind here. As for the VISA programme. Please go over to the NHS website and see if for yourself. Most of the jobs advertised now no longer qualify for "work permit" [Now known as Two tier certificate or so]. Forget what these agencies advertise back in Nigeria. A job in the UK must first be advertised for at least two weeks with preferences given to UK citizen BEFORE Europeans and outsiders are considered. This is something you can easily verify your self. @labiyemmy: You are missing the point. A failing education system cannot produce a well educated individual. In Nigeria's system, emphasis are laid on theory. Emphasis are laid on knowing shit by heart. Yet on comparison to here, emphasis are laid on actually understanding the concepts, emphasis are laid on hands on experience. etc. I am not been patronizing here, but I would rather be examined by a med student over here, than a doctor in Nigeria. My nephew is one of the best in his class at the dentistry school in Lagos. He came here for a university exchange-like programme in Newcastle, and after a few days he was forced to admit that we [back home] really have a long way to go. This is someone who is a blindly patriotic like "Ajala ewuro" and co. 1 Like |
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by ElRazur: 5:10pm On Jun 01, 2009 |
becomrich.: Another clone account? We are talking about two different things here. You are talking about lack of job. I am talking about why Nigeria's graduate may have a hard time finding job. As for your story, erm I would leave that for others to comment on. |
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by Kobojunkie: 5:13pm On Jun 01, 2009 |
ElRazur: Good points there !! |
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by Becomrich: 5:25pm On Jun 01, 2009 |
Kobojunkie , may be you went to school in the igboland. that is a joke. That is not true. It is not the nigeria education system. Look nigerian still get jobs abroad. 90% of the people working for Glo and MTN are nigerian engineers and the same technology used over here is been used in Nigeria. The nigeria cell phone company have over 20 million user. On the GSM system. So it is the same technology been used. Airplane are the same around the world. Nigerian engineers fly airplane and maintain them. Look nigerian engineers 99% maintain and drill for oil used all over the world. and the second supplier of oil to the USA. this sector is run by nigerian engineers . They never schooled abroad. The GSM system, even nigeria system in the telecommunication is more update that those use in most part of the world. More than a 1000 plane a week. We run the same technology. the issue is, there is no job. Older generation are no ready to quit thier jobs. they want the retirement age to 100 years, joke. |
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by manny4life(m): 5:26pm On Jun 01, 2009 |
"In Nigeria's system, emphasis are laid on theory. Emphasis are laid on knowing shit by heart. Yet on comparison to here, emphasis are laid on actually understanding the concepts, emphasis are laid on hands on experience. etc. I am not been patronizing here, but I would rather be examined by a med student over here, than a doctor in Nigeria." I like this part. This is same thing I try to explain to my Nigerian friends, through our 4years in college, we go through rigorous concepts and more importantly hands on experience, thus making it an experience and preparing you for the job market, as compared to Nigeria they learn or better yet they "CRAM" which doesn't help. Back to the post, if you were a doctor and became a cleaner, then there are things that you not doing right. Yes u know the theoretical aspects, but lack the in-depth knowledge and experience applied to it. Simple and short, period. |
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by ThiefOfHearts(f): 5:28pm On Jun 01, 2009 |
Obviously wasnt a real doctor. Better learn some French and get to cleaning |
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by NegroNtns(m): 5:31pm On Jun 01, 2009 |
Representation is also part of the problem. When I say representation, I mean the social perception of what Nigeria stand for and the enhancements of those perceptions during personal contact with Nigerians. You can look at the orientals. The public perception is that they are smart and are whiz kids and disciplined. In contact, they promote that image of their public acceptance. Same with the Indians. They are everywhere in IT field and in science. They penetrated into media and almost every city in America now has an Indian broadcaster on the tube - an easy access to further advance their cause. They have political lobbyists who vett their interests in political circles. They pool resources together to formulate a common enterprise approach to economic progress. So we must ask. . . how is Nigeria viewed in Canada and how can Nigerinas in Canada influence a positive image in that country so that Nigerian immigrants are valued and accepted as positive contributors to the society? On another angle, academic degrees are tools of capitalism. With it you go into the labor force to earn a living and promote the interests of capitalism. So whether you are a cab driver or a medical doctor, you are an active participant in capitalism. The doctor is no better a capitalist than the driver. So from a commercial angle, the market could care less who you are. . .its what is in your pocket that carries weight and you are valued on account of that. So maybe instead of harping on professional title and degrees, we Nigerians ought instead to step back and go back to a time when we appreciated one another's humanity. Then the world will again accept us for our values, as they did in the 60s, 70s and 80s. 2 Likes |
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by Kobojunkie: 5:33pm On Jun 01, 2009 |
manny4life: Exactly!! I think the man can still become a doctor if he is willing to apply what he already knows into obtaining what he wants here. Most everyone does that to excel here and anywhere else. Even friends who attended medical school in the UK still need to pass exams and take classes here before they can be recognized as doctors and be allowed to practise. Why not the cleaner? |
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by Tats(m): 5:33pm On Jun 01, 2009 |
This Canada issue has been going on for a long time. It has been discussed in this forum and you can check out more details in the website http://www.notcanada.com/. You can't compare Canada with the UK when it comes to getting skilled jobs. Many skilled professionals from Nigeria hold very good jobs here in the UK and they studied in Nigeria. We know that in the UK medical field, it has become difficult as preference is now given to UK and EU citizens, but that has not stopped Nigerians from still making progress in Medicine. It is not the same in Canada. Very few migrants get befitting jobs and most who go there for further studies end up continuing to study further and work in Universities. Pharmacists do have a better chance of practising in Canada as there are demands for them, but qualifying to practice is nonetheless difficult Most Nigerian graduates that come to the UK for further studies always acknowledge that we have a long way to go in Nigeria, but they still go on to do well. This is mainly because they have studied the hard way, are very adaptable and can cope, all in a bid to succeed. |
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by NegroNtns(m): 5:33pm On Jun 01, 2009 |
In Nigeria's system, emphasis are laid on theory. Emphasis are laid on knowing shit by heart. Yet on comparison to here, emphasis are laid on actually understanding the concepts, emphasis are laid on hands on experience. . . .application. True talk! |
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by asha80(m): 5:38pm On Jun 01, 2009 |
Tats: So should we continue on the 'hardway' of studying? |
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by manny4life(m): 5:41pm On Jun 01, 2009 |
Becomrich: You said it yourself. They obviously do all that in "Nigeria", and not abroad. Boeing for example would not hire any Aerospace engineering student who did not make at least a 3.4 (Cum laude), doesn't have any college project experience, no internship, just nothing. Yes Boeing will train them, but wont hire them. Same with pilots, the went to flight school to train, but believe me, it would be hard for any top US American airline to hire them because of the limited hands on experience. Only a few make the exception though. Same applies to the fields you mentioned above. What telecommunication company in Nigeria is ahead of that of a US company? Do u mean per technology or Assets, which? |
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by IKEYMAN1: 5:42pm On Jun 01, 2009 |
@@@@@@@@@@ post for the first time i agree with becomeyeye joke oooo i think he is the only one making sense here other are chattin shit!! sorri to say oo but as for delta,bayelsea thing never!!!! |
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by IKEYMAN1: 5:43pm On Jun 01, 2009 |
doctors or niaja certificate well i know some one that graduated in naija that works in ireland as a doctor now so can someone elighten me on that |
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by ThiefOfHearts(f): 5:46pm On Jun 01, 2009 |
Windex l'omo |
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by manny4life(m): 5:47pm On Jun 01, 2009 |
becomrich.: What Nigerian telecommunication company is better than that in North America (obviously U.S)? Do you mean in technology (R&), or in Asset Acquisition, which is it ? I like to know because I really want to do this research. |
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by Tats(m): 5:50pm On Jun 01, 2009 |
asha 80: Absolutely nothing has changed in Nigeria's Educational system that suggests an improvement. It is a pity that Nigerian students will continue to learn the hard and painful way! |
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by manny4life(m): 5:54pm On Jun 01, 2009 |
Tats: That's true. It isn't fair for them learning the hard way, yet not the right way. |
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by AjanleKoko: 6:06pm On Jun 01, 2009 |
manny4life: Few things for the record here, guys: 1. There is no telecoms company in Nigeria, Africa or the rest of the world, that compares with a US wireless operator, wrt technology. Say, Cingular, or T-Mobile. Vodafone only competes with the US carriers in assets and overall value, not in technology. 2. Nigerian engineers who cut their teeth in mobile technology in Nigeria, with no experience anywhere but Nigeria, have been exported to just about anywhere in the world, from Africa to Europe and the Americas. I have two ex-classmates who are currently working with Cingular in Seattle. They were hired directly out of Nigeria, have not worked anywhere else, and had their H1-B sponsored directly by Cingular. Same thing happened '98-2001 during the dot-com boom, where there were massive hirings of Nigerians in the US and Canada, again directly out of Nigeria. After the bust of 2001, and possibly 9/11, there was a slowdown in H1-B issuance, and Nigeria lost out. Draw any conclusion you like from what I posted, but these are the facts I know. Too many engineers have been hired out of Nigerian GSM operators by Ericsson and converted to global contractors for me to dismiss as 'exceptions'. Some of these chaps didn't even study engineering in school (in Nigeria)! I think I like this view better. Negro_Ntns: 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by redsun(m): 6:18pm On Jun 01, 2009 |
It is the height of moral decadence,wasted education,educated but not enlightened,according to dnex somewhere. For you to be educated,you have to be able to make things happen,that is why it's our responsibilities to change our system as educated people,not running away from it. |
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by manny4life(m): 6:22pm On Jun 01, 2009 |
@ AjanleKoko "Too many engineers have been hired out of Nigerian GSM operators by Ericsson and converted to global contractors for me to dismiss as 'exceptions'. Some of these chaps didn't even study engineering in school (in Nigeria)!" I agree with you on other thing the fact that Nigerian telecoms don't compare to that of U.S. While I'm not disputing the fact that Nigerian engineers have been hired by Global telecommunications companies, perhaps if you will clearly understood, hence the term "exception" to fit in this categories; experience, knowledge base, education etc. Yes no argument they were hired like u said as Global contractors, what is the percentage of this engineers hired out of Nigeria as compared to the entire engineers working in the Nigerian telecommunication comapny? Also what % of this Nigerian global contractors represent the enitre Global contractors working for large telecom firms. Well, not if they they represent a large % (at least 1/4 ), then I believe they are within the exception rage. |
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by AjanleKoko: 6:34pm On Jun 01, 2009 |
manny4life: Good questions. Firstly, there are not too many of these Nigerian engineers. But we've seen whole departments join the global contracting train in Nigeria. Believe you me. If you have 30 competent engineers and 25 of them suddenly turn to contractors, is that significant enough ratio from you? Now the telcos in Nigeria are even pre-empting the brain drain by outsouring to the vendors like Ericsson, rather than maintaining few skilled staff you can't keep. For your second question: I think that'd be a general thing for the Nigerian workforce. Even for those of you working in the diaspora, how many are part of the global contracting workforce? How many work highly mobile, specialized jobs? Most Nigerians abroad are settled somewhere, as opposed to Indians, Chinese, and Finipinos who are scattered around everywhere from Nouakchott to Caracas, earning in some cases thousands of dollars in a day, moving back and forth from their country to their contracting location. Even in Nigeria's oilfields, you have Filipinos who spend six weeks in Escravos, and eight in Manila, all expenses paid for by the hiring company. Those are mobile workers, not immigrants. By sheer population, we can't match those guys, of course, so the number of Nigerians compared to the number of, say, Chinese or Indians, is nothing. But as far as black people go, 9 times out of 10 you run into a black man in a contracting position in telecoms anywhere in the world today, that black man is a Nigerian. Heck, a former colleague is even contracting in Afghanistan! |
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by manny4life(m): 6:52pm On Jun 01, 2009 |
AjanleKoko: While your statistics couldn't prove the number of telecom engineers in Nigeria, I will assume for the purpose of this argument, its a recognizable figure based on the fact the we have rising telecom operators in Nigeria. However, I could be wrong, nevertheless, I will accept as you say it. Moreover, you made an interesting claim you said "If you have 30 competent engineers and 25 of them suddenly turn to contractors, is that significant enough ratio from you?" I believed you used the word "competent" obviously not all telecom engineers are competent, but few made the exception criteria; "competency". |
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by AloyEmeka9: 6:54pm On Jun 01, 2009 |
I was quoting him. Becomerich/Musiwa said it himself that he was trained at the university of Illorin as an "electric" engineer and he graduated with a first class[magnum cum laude ]. He once touted himself as a genius when he said "my friend I know book" to a member here. Are you trying to deny Becomerich his achievements and put a motion to withdraw his academic degree?. wetin be your own? |
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by AloyEmeka9: 7:00pm On Jun 01, 2009 |
My sis studied in nigeria, and she is practicing in NY right now. she had one of the highest scores in the accreditation exams ( i forget the name of the exams)That is why the US still remain the best country to immigrate into. The US offers the best opportunity to any immigrant no matter where you came from. I know some of my peeps that are working in the US as graduates with degrees from Nigerian universities. Many people that emigrated to the US from 2000-present worked with their degrees from their home countries. My own cousin studied pharmacy in UNN and never went to a school for one day in the US yet all he did was write the board exam and that was it. |
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by manny4life(m): 7:20pm On Jun 01, 2009 |
becomrich.: No offense, but where did you get your own entrepreneurial degree from? As much as you claimed the U.S. to have more than a 1,000 banks, you fail to admit how many of those banks that have been distressed or even liquidated. Although I don't live in Nigeria, articles and research has shown that he did the best thing to shore up the capital of all banks, averting the disaster that befell Lehman Brothers and the rest of them. While I agree that license fees should drop, yet every entrepreneur need capital. What Soludo did was pure finance and economics; encourage banking, mergers and acquisition, venture capitalism, to increase the Asset. Even President Obama said same thing the reason why U.S. small business did not get the stimulus funding, he quoted that for every $1 that is loaned to big banks results to $10 worth of revenues to small business and something like that. Here in the US, research showed the small business make up about 85% of the business, and large corporations make about 7-10%, but it might surprise you that the large corps are the ones that contribute immensely about 80% to our GDP. This is what one of my professors referred to as reverse economics. As you are also aware that 70% or more of small business go out of business within their first year of business and I'm sure you know why. My point is while I encourage small business and entrepreneurial ideas, it does not contribute much to the economy. 1 Like |
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by jidobaba(m): 7:32pm On Jun 01, 2009 |
Okay. My own be say nobody, no GADDEM body/bodies should ever again run down Nigerian graduates. If u went to college in some backwater in england, that is the business of you and your wasteful sponsors, dont try justifying such frivolity by attacking GREATEST NIG STUDENTS. Come to naija and see if your degree from wiwiwamshire university will get you that job. Shwww |
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by Nobody: 7:38pm On Jun 01, 2009 |
Aloy.Emeka: i am a unilorin graduate just as yorubas are embarassed by becomrich's antics, i am horrified by his claims that he is a unilorin graduate (our 2nd generation no bad reach that level) . can you imagine if any HR peeps see his posts and his claims that he is a unilorin electricity engineer? no more jobs for unilorites |
Re: I Was A Doctor In Nigeria, Now A Cleaner In Canada by AloyEmeka9: 7:42pm On Jun 01, 2009 |
Lol, BecomeRich was a science student and who knows Unilorin engineering school may be accepting candidates with a P8 in english. |
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