Edoblakky:
This is what happens when square pegs are fitted on round holes!

In saner climes, roads are built first before they are tolled. Look at the lekki-Epe toll, the road has not been done half-way yet it's already being tolled. And that is exactly what Fashola intends to do.
Money from tolls is used to maintain the already built roads.
Moreover, not all sane countries have tolls. Here in Canada, I'm yet to see a toll gate.
In the US, where there are tolls, the alternative roads are equally good and nearby but with traffic lights while the toll roads mostly are free from traffic lights.

In my opinion, toll gates should come after complete road construction!

I'm not Fashola's biggest fan but you have your facts wrong. Firstly the agreement for the road and the tolling was done by Tinubu. Secondly, the road is tolled in sections and only the completed sections are tolled. Fashola terminated the agreement for the tolling of section 2 in rather dubious pretenses but that's another matter, the point is section 2 is not being tolled. However as a user of that road, I can attest to the deterioration of the road since the tolling stopped. Even the street lights are not always on anymore, these things cost money. You drive on that road at night and without streetlights it's sometimes difficult to see the goats (sorry people) crossing from one side to another.

Fashola's planned toll road is a tax hike on the poor!

erico2k2:

have you checked teh cost of petrol to other countries of the world, just to give you a tip Venezuela, it cost $1 to fill your tank ie approx 50 ltrs

How's Venezuela's economy doing? Last time I checked they were a basket case and have always been a basket case as far as I can remember

Edoblakky:
This is what happens when square pegs are fitted on round holes!

In saner climes, roads are built first before they are tolled. Look at the lekki-Epe toll, the road has not been done half-way yet it's already being tolled. And that is exactly what Fashola intends to do.
Money from tolls is used to maintain the already built roads.
Moreover, not all sane countries have tolls. Here in Canada, I'm yet to see a toll gate.
In the US, where there are tolls, the alternative roads are equally good and nearby but with traffic lights while the toll roads mostly are free from traffic lights.

In my opinion, toll gates should come after complete road construction!

Thank you very much, let me add a bit, I have seen people using the word SANE, look the western countries do not toll roads cos of maintance cost alone, the Toll roads always serve as a quicker route I have used teh M60 to manchester frm birmingham as an example, it cuts your journey by an hour plus but if you want to go the long way its up to you, in wales on the M4 there is a toll going into chepstow but free to come back, this toll was there cos of the bridge built by PP,(private partnership) also there is teh Datford crossing,if you check all these rds I mentioned they are all optional,its a choice if you want to use it or not.SO if a govt tools the only rd that leads into a city then that govt is selfish and wicked.What happened to the Road tax paid in Nigeria by motorist

lookandlaff:


How's Venezuela's economy doing? Last time I checked they were a basket case and have always been a basket case as far as I can remember

;DT true I agree, I was only referencing them cos of the fuel price.

erico2k2:

;DT true I agree, I was only referencing them cos of the fuel price.

Not a good example then because they are subsidizing fuel at a cost to their economy,not the sort of example we want to follow. It's ok if you can afford it but primarily government should be in the business of infrastructure not subsidizing consumption.

Do you know why this comment is not getting too many likes? It's because most people in Nigeria are blind followers of these blood sucking politicians. Just wait until they tell us that the toll gates will not be managed by FG but by party bosses that will pay 500 thousand Naira per year to FG for running a toll gate at Shagamu.

Edoblakky:
This is what happens when square pegs are fitted on round holes!

In saner climes, roads are built first before they are tolled. Look at the lekki-Epe toll, the road has not been done half-way yet it's already being tolled. And that is exactly what Fashola intends to do.
Money from tolls is used to maintain the already built roads.
Moreover, not all sane countries have tolls. Here in Canada, I'm yet to see a toll gate.
In the US, where there are tolls, the alternative roads are equally good and nearby but with traffic lights while the toll roads mostly are free from traffic lights.

In my opinion, toll gates should come after complete road construction!

adeyemi2015:


http://leadership.ng/news/481760/road-infrastructure-fg-re-introduce-tolls-fashola

This man loves subtle stealing from the public. Later you will divert the toll proceeds into your personal account to either fund your website or build bore holes @ exorbitant cost. We are watching all of you!!!

frisky2good:
Do you know why this comment is not getting too many likes? It's because most people in Nigeria are blind followers of these blood sucking politicians. Just wait until they tell us that the toll gates will not be managed by FG but by party bosses that will pay 500 thousand Naira per year to FG for running a toll gate at Shagamu.

Unfortunately if you leave it to evil servants, you know you will get less than N500,000

lookandlaff:


Not a good example then because they are subsidizing fuel at a cost to their economy,not the sort of example we want to follow. It's ok if you can afford it but primarily government should be in the business of infrastructure not subsidizing consumption.

what else do they have to help their own people? nothing,

erico2k2:

what else do they have to help their own people? nothing,

actually their infrastructure is actually quite developed and good, it's just that the socialist mentality ultimately cripples your economy

That was exactly why OBJ resorted to indirect taxation by making everyone buying petrol pay for road tax even if you want to use the fuel for your generator. This government is trying hard to be the most foolish since 1999.

lookandlaff:


Unfortunately if you leave it to evil servants, you know you will get less than N500,000

That is a very good plan

Kitikpa lacha gi Anya, Fashola!!!What happened to all the taxes collected Nigeria is not Lagos state.

Smh, so Tinubu will go from making billions off tolls in Lagos and SW, to making tolls nationwide.

These bastards don't even care about people. It's all about repaying each other in some for or fashion

frisky2good:
That was exactly why OBJ resorted to indirect taxation by making everyone buying petrol pay for road tax even if you want to use the fuel for your generator. This government is trying hard to be the most foolish since 1999.

When Obasanjo put tax on Petrol, Crude and petrol were trading at a different level, correct me if I am wrong
there was no subsidy so it was a net gain to the govt,

Obasanjo raised tax on petrol to N1.50 a litre but today (at least as at sept) we are supposedly subsidizing petrol @ N22 a litre. You collect 1.50 and give back N22 and you tell me you are paying tax on fuel?

lookandlaff:



I'm not Fashola's biggest fan but you have your facts wrong. Firstly the agreement for the road and the tolling was done by Tinubu. Secondly, the road is tolled in sections and only the completed sections are tolled. Fashola terminated the agreement for the tolling of section 2 in rather dubious pretenses but that's another matter, the point is section 2 is not being tolled. However as a user of that road, I can attest to the deterioration of the road since the tolling stopped. Even the street lights are not always on anymore, these things cost money. You drive on that road at night and without streetlights it's sometimes difficult to see the goats (sorry people) crossing from one side to another.

Fashola did not terminate the agreement, the courts stopped tolling on that section of the road. Whether the agreement was done by Tinubu is irrelevant as Fashola saw it to fruition. It is a bad deal, so the blame heaps on both of them espesially on Fashola.

Secondly, you dont toll an already existing road built with hard earned tax payers money. If FG wants tolls accross the country, let them build new and shorter routes as it is done in SANE countries, that way the people have alternative routes. What Fashola is suggesting is borderline criminality. Let us be truthful for once. With thevolume of cars plying that Lekki road on a daily basis, the total cost of building the entire road would have been recouped in 6-8 months, but for sheer dubity, the road was concessioned for decades. Now that is a rogue move by an inept and corrupt government and only sustained to keep the pockets of his paymaster lined up for generations. At some point, mother nature will intervene, it is inevitable.

lookandlaff:


actually their infrastructure is actually quite developed and good, it's just that the socialist mentality ultimately cripples your economy

well which one amongst the western world never started as socialist, all of them did.Then they migrated to capitalism .
The fact is Nigeria needs to find its foot.I don't think the kind of leaders we have have that Energy to drive us forward, they are all interested in their pockets only.Look at a newly appointed Minister ,instead of concentrating on improving our federal rds, he wants to tax them, waht happened to the Direct labour initiatives.in teh UK, Rd tax are used to fix rd not toll tax.Question, what happened to all the Rd tax paid in Nigeria by motorist

Fawklicant:


Fashola did not terminate the agreement, the courts stopped tolling on that section of the road. Whether the agreement was done by Tinubu is irrelevant as Fashola saw it to fruition. It is a bad deal, so the blame heaps on both of them espesially on Fashola.

Secondly, you dont toll an already existing road built with hard earned tax payers money. If FG wants tolls accross the country, let them build new and shorter routes as it is done in SANE countries, that way the people have alternative routes. What Fashola is suggesting is borderline criminality. Let us be truthful for once. With thevolume of cars plying that Lekki road on a daily basis, the total cost of building the entire road would have been recouped in 6-8 months, but for sheer dubity, the road was concessioned for decades. Now that is a rogue move by an inept and corrupt government and only sustained to keep the pockets of his paymaster lined up for generations. At some point, mother nature will intervene, it is inevitable.

Look I am not justifying anything, I am simply addressing your initial point that the road wasn't completed before tolling began. In any event you are wrong Fashola bought out the contract of the concession company and decided not to toll the road, not because any court stopped him, why havent they stopped tolling on ikoyi link bridge? or toll gate 1? I don't buy into the Fashola hype so I am hessitant to defend him but fair is fair. On the issue that Tinubau awarde contract but fashola saw it to completion, Govt is a continuum, contracts are legally binding irrespective if who signed the agreement, you have to show good cause especially because you do not want to erode investor confidence particularly at a time when you are looking to expand PPP agreements to help build your infrastuctures. Infrastucture projects are long term in nature, An investor is not going to enter into an agreement with you to put down his money to build a road or airport for you if the next guy can just come and terminate the agreement!!!

adeyemi2015:


http://leadership.ng/news/481760/road-infrastructure-fg-re-introduce-tolls-fashola

Sai baba!change is comoing soon.

Nigerians no go gree oo, they love free things but want to live the American or Banana Island live style... They love the word subsidy...

There was no subsidy during OBJ regime? Go back to your APC headquarters and tell them to give you more propaganda lessons before you come back here to display your arrogance.

lookandlaff:



When Obasanjo put tax on Petrol, Crude and petrol were trading at a different level, correct me if I am wrong
there was no subsidy so it was a net gain to the govt,

Obasanjo raised tax on petrol to N1.50 a litre but today (at least as at sept) we are supposedly subsidizing petrol @ N22 a litre. You collect 1.50 and give back N22 and you tell me you are paying tax on fuel?

These Yorubas are so slavery oriented that they fail they see the folly of this useless move.

Their leaders are always right all in the name of tribalism. As long as its Fashola its right.

Thank God for Biafra. Na look we go dey look them.

millhouse:
It's a shame to see that Nigerians are Celebrating this in this new age. I bet these Yoloba folks will Celebrate the introduction of SAP(structural adjustment program) . Just to feel in tandem with Apc. Pathetic

frisky2good:
There was no subsidy during OBJ regime? Go back to your APC headquarters and tell them to give you more propaganda lessons before you come back here to display your arrogance.

Don't be stupid and show the benefit of your education if you have any. I specifically said in the post "correct me if I am wrong" , if I am wrong then correct me with the facts and stop behaving like an imbe cile!!!

lookandlaff:



Look I am not justifying anything, I am simply addressing your initial point that the road wasn't completed before tolling began. In any event you are wrong Fashola bought out the contract of the concession company and decided not to toll the road, not because any court stopped him, why havent they stopped tolling on ikoyi link bridge? or toll gate 1? I don't buy into the Fashola hype so I am hessitant to defend him but fair is fair.

It was someone else's point, not mine. Fashola terminated it after he was dragged to court. Lagos state house of assembly then approved N7.5 billion to buy back the concession. To think that a concession of N7.5 billion barring maintenance costs would have taken them 30 years to recoup. 30 years!!! And anybody thinks this new situation here is gonna be any different?
Draconian policies like this need to be met with stiff resistance as it is conceived on nothing but dubious intent.

Modified...
Only in Nigeria would you have a government toll a road that is still under construction. Praytell, how did they arrive at the duration of the concession without test run samples? That road sees nothing less than 20,000 vehicles daily and I say this with all sense of conservatism. I'm just being very economical with the figures. Do the math.

adeyemi2015:


http://leadership.ng/news/481760/road-infrastructure-fg-re-introduce-tolls-fashola

Reintroduce toll gates and revert the tax on fuel . Think that was the basic reason for the initial scrap. I don't see any need for it if its only aim to help generate futher income to government which means making people poorer and poorer. Especially those ones you cannot pay #18,000 minimum wage + high and irrational electricity bill. There is God ooooo

Fawklicant:


It was someone else's point, not mine. Fashola terminated it after he was dragged to court. Lagos state house of assembly then approved N7.5 billion to buy back the concession. To think that a concession of N7.5 billion barring maintenance costs would have taken them 30 years to recoup. 30 years!!! And anybody thinks this new situation here is gonna be any different?
Draconian policies like this need to be met with stiff resistance as it is conceived on nothing but dubious intent.

The whole road contract was scandalous, the road itself is of poor quality and the cost a monumental slap in the face but I was arguing a different point.

Like they did before abi. APC Apologist.

adeyemi2015:

We shouldn't play politics with every national issue pls! Re-introduction of Tolls should be a welcome idea!
The most important thing is; ensuring the proper management of funds generated through the Tolls as well as timely maintenance of the Country's Highways!

Abeg this TOLL IS INCONCLUSIVE !!!

[size=14pt]Toll gates collected by government are simply adding extra layers of corruption to the already massive problem of government bureaucratic corruption.

our roads need to be concession-ed out and tolled, NOT BY GOVERNMENT, but by companies charged directly with maintaining them.

The role of government is simply to supervise that the companies responsible for the roads are repairing those roads as they said they will.

Government will collect tolls, pay some into their account and use the rest for staff salaries. then when the roads breakdown, there are no funds to fix them because the collected toll has already been spent on frivolities.[/size]

Since you are not sure how did you come up with a stupid calculation? If you want to learn you have to be humble. Your arrogance only confirms your stu.pidity. Go back to your APC school of propaganda. I'm not educated but I know OBJ regime subsidised fuel price but you the educated one doesn't know. Guess what, whoever paid for your education wasted precious money that would have been more useful if spent on beer.

lookandlaff:


Don't be stupid and show the benefit of your education if you have any. I specifically said in the post "correct me if I am wrong" , if I am wrong then correct me with the facts and stop behaving like an imbe cile!!!

lookandlaff:


The whole road contract was scandalous, the road itself is of poor quality and the cost a monumental slap in the face but I was arguing a different point.

I know you are negotiating a different point, but what I'm saying is this. This proposal has all the trappings of the lekki scenario. This is even worse, as they want to toll already built roads. Probably gonna concesion the maintenance to someone who'd do a wish-washy job of resurfacing the roads and then mount their tolls. Please what are they doing with our taxes?

This is akin to asking us to pay electricity tax while they build the dam that would supply the electricity someday.