macof:


Ancestry linked to Olukumi of Ugbodu? Because you see "Lucumi" and "Olukumi" Lmao. Ok
But what is the evidence to back up your claims?

bigfrancis21:


The dude still does not get it at all. It seems he does not understand a question before posting his long epistles that still do not answer the very question asked.

Swashy4:
I am from Ugbodu and I am proudly IGBO,PROUDLY Anioma. Yes we migrated from the old oyo empire but time,fate and events today has made us "DELTA IGBOS " as you may choose or Ndi Anioma.

Migration is not peculiar to just ugbodu,it occurred everywhere in the world.

Swashy4:
I am from Ugbodu and I am proudly IGBO,PROUDLY Anioma. Yes we migrated from the old oyo empire but time,fate and events today has made us "DELTA IGBOS " as you may choose or Ndi Anioma.

Migration is not peculiar to just ugbodu,it occurred everywhere in the world.

macof:
LMAO. Ok says the person who only has 2 posts saying the same thing.

Jobless ode

agadez007:
so if he claimed to be Ugbodu and not Igbo,he wouldn't be a Jobless ode, okwa ya?

Olu317:
It seems you didnt get the drift.I only reaffirm the tentative period of emigration from Ondo axis as 9th–11th century,which date may not be too accurate despite,information from the horse's mouth. This is the point. However, the information as regard emigration to Igbodumila had a reason and the major reason of in drove emigration was PERSECUTION from the host community. And the host community had an Ogiso lineage on the throne. There are two period that such wars took place before the Oba Bini gained total control of Idu–Igodomigodo. These period were Oranmiyan period around late 11th century and 13–14th century of Oba Ewedo .This information showed practically the period of Ewedo against Ogiamien lineage ruling Idu because, during Oranmiyan, Yoruba couldn't had left Idu in droves because he didn't conquer the whole Igodomigodo before he left. And the period of persecution range from 13th–14th century,when Ogiamen Ode lost a bittered well fought war against Ewedo. Anything outside this is false.

Olu317:
It seems you didnt get the drift.I only reaffirm the tentative period of emigration from Ondo axis as 9th–11th century,which date may not be too accurate despite,information from the horse's mouth. This is the point. However, the information as regard emigration to Igbodumila had a reason and the major reason of in drove emigration was PERSECUTION from the host community. And the host community had an Ogiso lineage on the throne. There are two period that such wars took place before the Oba Bini gained total control of Idu–Igodomigodo. These period were Oranmiyan period around late 11th century and 13–14th century of Oba Ewedo .This information showed practically the period of Ewedo against Ogiamien lineage ruling Idu because, during Oranmiyan, Yoruba couldn't had left Idu in droves because he didn't conquer the whole Igodomigodo before he left. And the period of persecution range from 13th–14th century,when Ogiamen Ode lost a bittered well fought war against Ewedo. Anything outside this is false.

Olu317:
Of course, there are loopholes in the account ,which can be as a result of oral historical transfer from one generation to another. The 9th century, I can't really agree to it but obviously, It was an Ogiso king that was reigning ,they claimed. This could be during Oranmiyan escapade, which was the reason I pinned the calculation to be over 500 years . The probability of the escapade of Oranmiyan might even be connected to emigration because the account did mentioned chaotic situation and it is only chaotic situation that can make people live where they went to trade and live. As at when Oranmiyan was fighting to gain control of the heartland of Igodomigodo which he didn't for obvious reason, which I concluded as IFA dictate. Ogiamie lineage who rightfully was the Ogiso descendants lineage was reigning in Edo–Igodomogodo and did ruled for centuries because during the reign of Oranmiyan at Usama, he could not enter into the core area but was only able to win some part . And these accounted for two Kings in Usama–Igodomogodo , the first one being a yoruba prince from ILE IFE with Oba title and an indigenous breed with Ogiso title . There is no iota of doubt that Olukumi had the knowledge of an Ogiso ruler , who was desperate to use his son of detested wife as sacrifice, according to their oral account(the reason for using human as sacrifice is for spiritual power acquisition ). The implication of the Lukumi's account is that a desperate Ogiamien was in charge of Igodomogodo, when they flee in drove because of fear of being used as sacrifice . And during the period of war, the enemies within are used as scapegoats and sacrifices. Furthermore, it was Oba Ewedo that crushed through from Usama through to Igodomogodo,which was the Heart of Idu Kingdom and by so doing disposed the Ogiamien Ode ( which brought forth the traditional rite of lending land to ILE IFE's Son–Known as Oba Bini and Ogiso –Ogiamien dynasty as the landowner and the Oba a tenant on the land in their custody). This shows that the migration were in different waves; slightly pre Oranmiyan–Post Oranmiyan and during the reign of Ogiamien Ode around 12th-13th century. The last in drove emigration was during Oba Ewedo which is the one that best suit their account.

bigfrancis21:


There have been several 'theories' about the origin of Ugbodu, some saying from 'igbo odun', and others saying from 'ugbodunmila'. To the best of my knowledge, these are just guesses at best. The fact remains that these Olukumi towns in Delta North have settled in the Igbo area for so many decades and their town names are purely Igbo names, albeit ancient Igbo names. Ugbodu does not sound Yoruba in any way. Ugbodu has several meanings in Igbo.

oyatz:
How much of Yoruba do you think you know?

Ugbodu is very meaningful in Yoruba language, for instance,
Ugbodu = Ugbo (Forest) + Odu (As in Odu IFA)

bigfrancis21:


How does forest + odu ifa even make sense? I understand the tendency to break down words into syllables that make sense in Yoruba, but are you making any sense in this case?

oyatz:
Bros, forget it. Your understanding of Yoruba language is not as deep as you think.


Ugbo Odu can mean the Forest of ODU

bigfrancis21:


Fine, how does forest of odu even make sense? Was/is Ugbodu a deeply forested area? Any ancestral connection of this supposed name to the past of Ugbodu?

Also, going by your assertion, Ugbo odu, according to you, when pronounced should have an extended 'o' in the middle in pronunciation as in Ugboodu but the natives pronounce it with a short 'o' in the middle.

I could tell you the several meanings of Ugbodu in Igbo.

oyatz:
Sir, I hope you have heard of Yoruba names with the prefix ODU?

ODUwoye, ODUola, ODUtola, ODUsote etc

Apart from Odu IFA, Odu can also mean a specie of vegetable.

Yoruba is a highly tonal language, thus same word or apparently similar words when pronounced with different tones can assume different meanings

Have you seen contraction of vowels in Yoruba names? e.g

1) Igbo Ija mo (The forest that IJA knows)= Igbojamo

2) Osho+Igbo( Wizards of the forest)= Oshogbo

3) Olo+Oja= Oloja (special appellation for kings, meaning 'the owner of markets' .In the olden days, the kings own the markets, hence 'Oja Oba' in many Yoruba towns)



Bros, take it literally, you don't have deep knowledge about the Yoruba language QED.


The fact that a word has meaning in Yoruba language doesn't exclude the possibility of the same word being meaningful in Igbo, Kanuri or Cherokee languages.

The real name is ugbodumila which means in Yoruba the forest saved me and I prospered

Swashy4:
I am from Ugbodu and I am proudly IGBO,PROUDLY Anioma. Yes we migrated from the old oyo empire but time,fate and events today has made us "DELTA IGBOS " as you may choose or Ndi Anioma.

Migration is not peculiar to just ugbodu,it occurred everywhere in the world.

macof:
LMAO. Ok says the person who only has 2 posts saying the same thing.

Jobless ode

oyatz:
Sir, I hope you have heard of Yoruba names with the prefix ODU?

ODUwoye, ODUola, ODUtola, ODUsote etc

Apart from Odu IFA, Odu can also mean a specie of vegetable.

Yoruba is a highly tonal language, thus same word or apparently similar words when pronounced with different tones can assume different meanings

Have you seen contraction of vowels in Yoruba names? e.g

1) Igbo Ija mo (The forest that IJA knows)= Igbojamo

2) Osho+Igbo( Wizards of the forest)= Oshogbo

3) Olo+Oja= Oloja (special appellation for kings, meaning 'the owner of markets' .In the olden days, the kings own the markets, hence 'Oja Oba' in many Yoruba towns)



Bros, take it literally, you don't have deep knowledge about the Yoruba language QED.


The fact that a word has meaning in Yoruba language doesn't exclude the possibility of the same word being meaningful in Igbo, Kanuri or Cherokee languages.

Swashy4:



UGBODU IS AN IGBO WORD,ODINANI IS IGBO. THE YORUBAS CAN NEVER EVER CLAIM UGBODU. THEY CAN ONLY DO WHAT THEY DO BEST,WHICH IS TALK OP.

Swashy4:



UGBODU IS AN IGBO WORD,ODINANI IS IGBO. THE YORUBAS CAN NEVER EVER CLAIM UGBODU. THEY CAN ONLY DO WHAT THEY DO BEST,WHICH IS TALK OP.

scholes0:


lol not to sound insultive, but what is the population of not just Ugbodu but even the whole of olukumis?
Why would you think Yorubas NEED you for anything? What value can you add tho the Yoruba Nation that already has more than 40 subgroups indigenously spanning 4 countries?

There are more Delta Igbos assimilating into Yoruba culture (Intentionally and unintentionally) every year than the whole olukumi population combined, and you are here feeling like one raggamuffin. One of my friends from Ubulu-Uku or there abouts just discarded his Igbo name for a Yoruba one for whatever reasons best known to him, and his new choice name is what his children will also bear.

Don't start feeling too big, because your past Yoruba history has brought your slumbery village into prominence. It is just for historical discourse and tracing patterns of migration of different groups into the "Western Ibo" cultural area. Get over yourself.

oyatz:
There is nothing like claiming here sir.
My post was in response to Big Francis's wrong assumption that Ugbodu has no meaning in Yoruba language which I tried to enlightened him.

It never cease to amuse me how nairaland tribalists think a whole population of people of Ugbodu be claimed like a parcel of land.

The people of Ugbodu know their history very well.

They said their town's full name is Ugbo-du-mi la which is a Yoruba sentence meaning the Forest saved me to prosper.

Swashy4:




VERY GOOD,SO KEEP US OUT OF YOUR MOUTH THEN,ITS GOOD FOR YOUR FRIEND THAT YOU CANT REMEMBER HIS VILLAGE TOO. AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE ,THEY WERE ALREADY IGBOS IN UGBODU BEFORE THE WARRIORS FROM AKURE ARRIVED. PART OF THOSE IGBOS FROM UGBODU AND UKWUNZU FORMED UBULUBU WHICH IS SOLEY IGBO SPEAKING.

WE ARE PROUDLY ANIOMA,AND I AM PROUDLY IGBO ,FROM UGBODU,IGWISI,IDUMU OKPO QUTRS IN ANIOMA.

scholes0:


You can twist history as much as you want to suit your wishes but the people of Ugbodu, Ukwu Nzu and the rest started speaking Enuani because of acculturalization and not some founder population effect. Just the same way the people of Ebu now speak more igbo than they speak their native Igala.
It is even evidenced by the fact that Ukwu Nzu wasn't even known as Ukwu Nzu until recently the town had a previous Yoruba name. Like seriously, all Olukumis are they up to 50k? I highly doubt.

There are more important towns in Anioma that nobody has even hear about, so be thankful whenever anyone ever gets the opportunity to even know what Ugbodu is because based on her unique history.

You can rant as much as you want here, but thankfully I have done my own research and have spoken to people from Ugbodu, even here on nairaland no one has ever come up with your version of events including the few Ugbodu born respondents who have shown once or twice.
Nobody is asking Olukumis to own up to being yoruba, that is their business.... But you can not ask me what to keep in my mouth or out of it, as you are a nobody on this open / free source public forum. Peace.

Swashy4:


I AM FROM UGBODU,IGWISI ,IDUMU OKPO QTRS AND I KNOW MY HISTORY. EVEN THE STOOL OF UGBODU IS TITTLED THE OBI STOOL AS OFFICIALLY RECOGNISED BY THE DELTA STATE GOVERNMENT. YOU CAN CONFIRM WITH THE JUST CONCLUDED COURT CASE OVER THE RIGHTFUL OBI OF THE KINGDOM. ALL THE CINCIOUSLY MANIPULATION AND DEDUCTION OF HISTORY IS DUE TO GREED AND POLITICS. WE IN UGBODU WHO ARE WELL INFORMED KNOW. SO IF U DON'T BELIEVE,ITS NOT MY BUSINESS,AS YOU CANT TELL ME MY HISTORY AND CONVINCE ME TO BE YORUBA. I AM PROUDLY IGBO FROM UGBODU IN ANIOMA,DELTA STATE. AND I DONT HAVE ANYTHING THO AGAINST THE YORUBAS.

scholes0:


Then I guess your Obi (or maybe it is the deposed one) was suffering from a serious delusion by bearing Ayo as first name. Did he sleepwalk into choosing a Yoruba name?

The original title of the kingshio isn't Obi but OLOZA. I won't argue with you. That it is called obi popularly now is a result of neighborhood effects as well. I don't care if you have anything or everything against the yorubas, Your headache.
But the Yoruba ancestry of Olukumis of Delta state is more of repository / history book material now than anything else.

Itsekiris are close to a million and speak a full unmistakably Yoruboid language as well as being contiguous with Yorubaland, but have you ever seen any Yoruba forcefully coercing them into being Yorubas against their wish? So I wonder what will make you think anyone is interested in kidnapping your village people because an historical thread was opened about them.

Delusions.

Swashy4:

......
....OLOZA IS JUST FOR THIS PRESENT KING. THE PREVIOUS ONES USED OBI. IT IS OBI THAT IS EVEN RECOGNISED BY THE GOVERNMENT AND NOT OLOZA . YOU ARE A YORUBA MAN,SO I EXPECT NOTHING DIFFERENT. THE NAME AYO WAS CRESTED ON HIM DURING HIS CORONATION,BECAUSE THEY FELT HE NEEDED AND OLUKUMI NAME,AS THE DISPLACED OBI WAS PURELY IBO AND THOSE WHO FELT THEY WERE BETTER OF BILINGUAL AND PLAYED ALONG WITH POLITICS BUT STILL THE NAME ON THE ROYAL THRONE REMAINS IGBO WHICH IS ISINYEMEZE. AYO IS INCONSEQUENTIAL STILL COZ ITS JUST A FIRST NAME .

scholes0:


More history twisting.



That Kings in Kaduna state are called Emirs don't mean they are all emirs. The first Kings of Ugbodu were never Obis, so I wonder how your claim that igbos were part of the foundation of the town and that Obi was the original title even holds any water.....
Besides, even Obi can arguably be traced to Benin and not Igbo

Swashy4:



YOU ARE NOT MAKING A POINT. THE FIRST RULERS WERE WARRIORS THAT WERE SENT BY THE OBA TO CAPTURE THE IGBOS OF UGBODU,BUT ON GETTING THERE DECIDED TO SETTLE AND RULE THEM. IMMEDIATELY AFTER THIER TENURE THE EDOS TOOK OVER FOR A SHORT WHILE BEFORE THE IGBOS RECLAIMED THE THRONE. THIS IS EVEN NOT PECULIAR TO UGBODU,BUT THE WHOLE OF ANIOMA. EVEN THE LIST OF THE FIRST RULERS WAS MANIPULATED ITS NOT THAT LONG AND OBVIOUSLY NOT CIMPLETELY TRUE. SO WHY DID THE NAMES CHANGE TO EDO AND THEN BACK TO IGBO ...MAYBE THE WARRIORS GAVE THIER CHILDREN EDO NAMES,AND THE EDOS GAVE THIER CHILDREN IGBO NAMES

THE STOOL OF THE KING OF UGBODU IS FOR THE OBI. ANY OTHER KING COMES WITH HIS OWN TITTLE JUST LIKE THIS PRESENT 1. SO FIND SOMWWHERE ELSE TO POKE UR NOSE INTO .

EVEN THE HEAD OF ODINANI CLAN ,UKWUNZU,THE KING USES ONLY OBI.

AND BY THE WAY,OBI IS IGBO.....YOU CAN TAKE UR ARGUMENT ABT IT BEING BINI TO A DUNCE.