uplawal:

@Ahonoai,my dear i understand the word TRINITY more than you cos i was formerly a good xtian and its all IDOLATORY, could u tell me when the idear of TRINITY came into the christianity cos its not even in the bible,

There is no such thing as a good Christian. . .Christianity is THE life not an activity

What is the Idolatory there?

Be specific with your question on the Trinity!

"And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a grave false charge, and for their saying, 'We killed the messiah, Jesus son of Mary, the Messiah of God"…yet they did not slay him, neither crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who are at variance concerning him are surely in doubt the following of conjecture; and they did not kill him of certainty…no indeed; God raised him up to Him; God is Almighty, All wise. There is not one of the people of the book but will assuredly believe him before his death, and on the Resurrection Day he will be a witness against them." (An-Nissa 4:156-159)

When he decrees a thing He but say to it, "Be", and it is. (Al-Imran 3:45-47)



"That is Jesus, son of Mary, in word of truth, concerning which they are doubting. It is not for God to take a son unto Him. Glory be to Him, He nut says to it, 'Be, and it is. (Maryam 19:34-35)
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@Ahonaoi,worship of jesus christ instead of God or making jesus equal with God since the God the father is still the Son and the Holy Spirit, imagine, comparing Angel Gabriel with God, TUFIAKPA, or some people takes it to be passing thru jesus to God in worship, is no difference from people of OGUN DEITY to OLODUMARE

[b] Quran chapter 3
42. And (remember) when the angels said: "O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allah has chosen you, purified you (from polytheism and disbelief), and chosen you above the women of the 'Alamin (mankind and jinns) (of her lifetime)."

43. O Mary! "Submit yourself with obedience to your Lord (Allah, by worshipping none but Him Alone) and prostrate yourself, and Irka'i (bow down etc.) along with Ar-Raki'un (those who bow down etc.)."

44. This is a part of the news of the Ghaib (unseen, i.e. the news of the past nations of which you have no knowledge) which We inspire you with (O Muhammad ). You were not with them, when they cast lots with their pens as to which of them should be charged with the care of Maryam (Mary); nor were you with them when they disputed.

45. (Remember) when the angels said: "O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allah gives you the glad tidings of a Word ["Be!" - and he was! i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary)] from Him, his name will be the Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), held in honour in this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near to Allah."

46. "He will speak to the people in the cradle and in manhood, and he will be one of the righteous."

47. She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me." He said: "So (it will be) for Allah creates what He wills. When He has decreed something, He says to it only: "Be!" and it is.

48. And He (Allah) will teach him ['Iesa (Jesus)] the Book and Al-Hikmah (i.e. the Sunnah, the faultless speech of the Prophets, wisdom, etc.), (and) the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel).

49. And will make him ['Iesa (Jesus)] a Messenger to the Children of Israel (saying): "I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I design for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's Leave; and I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by Allah's Leave. And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in your houses. Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe.

50. And I have come confirming that which was before me of the Taurat (Torah), and to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you, and I have come to you with a proof from your Lord. So fear Allah and obey me.

51. Truly! Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him (Alone). This is the Straight Path.

52. Then when 'Iesa (Jesus) came to know of their disbelief, he said: "Who will be my helpers in Allah's Cause?" Al-Hawariun (the disciples) said: "We are the helpers of Allah; we believe in Allah, and bear witness that we are Muslims (i.e. we submit to Allah)."

53. Our Lord! We believe in what You have sent down, and we follow the Messenger ['Iesa (Jesus)]; so write us down among those who bear witness (to the truth i.e. La ilaha ill-Allah - none has the right to be worshipped but Allah).

54. And they (disbelievers) plotted [to kill 'Iesa (Jesus)], and Allah planned too. And Allah is the Best of the planners.

55. And (remember) when Allah said: "O 'Iesa (Jesus)! I will take you and raise you to Myself and clear you [of the forged statement that 'Iesa (Jesus) is Allah's son] of those who disbelieve, and I will make those who follow you (Monotheists, who worship none but Allah) superior to those who disbelieve [in the Oneness of Allah, or disbelieve in some of His Messengers, e.g. Muhammad , 'Iesa (Jesus), Musa (Moses), etc., or in His Holy Books, e.g. the Taurat (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel), the Qur'an] till the Day of Resurrection. Then you will return to Me and I will judge between you in the matters in which you used to dispute."

56. "As to those who disbelieve, I will punish them with a severe torment in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers."

57. And as for those who believe (in the Oneness of Allah) and do righteous good deeds, Allah will pay them their reward in full. And Allah does not like the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers).

58. This is what We recite to you (O Muhammad ) of the Verses and the Wise Reminder (i.e. the Qur'an).

59. Verily, the likeness of 'Iesa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was.

60. (This is) the truth from your Lord, so be not of those who doubt.

61. Then whoever disputes with you concerning him ['Iesa (Jesus)] after (all this) knowledge that has come to you, [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus)] being a slave of Allah, and having no share in Divinity) say: (O Muhammad ) "Come, let us call our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves - then we pray and invoke (sincerely) the Curse of Allah upon those who lie."

62. Verily! This is the true narrative [about the story of 'Iesa (Jesus)], and, La ilaha ill-Allah (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah, the One and the Only True God, Who has neither a wife nor a son). And indeed, Allah is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.

63. And if they turn away (and do not accept these true proofs and evidences), then surely, Allah is All-Aware of those who do mischief.

64. Say (O Muhammad ): "O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians): Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but Allah, and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides Allah. Then, if they turn away, say: "Bear witness that we are Muslims."

65. O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Why do you dispute about Ibrahim (Abraham), while the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel) were not revealed till after him? Have you then no sense?

66. Verily, you are those who have disputed about that of which you have knowledge. Why do you then dispute concerning that which you have no knowledge? It is Allah Who knows, and you know not.

67. Ibrahim (Abraham) was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a true Muslim Hanifa (Islamic Monotheism - to worship none but Allah Alone) and he was not of Al-Mushrikun (See V.2:105).

68. Verily, among mankind who have the best claim to Ibrahim (Abraham) are those who followed him, and this Prophet (Muhammad ) and those who have believed (Muslims). And Allah is the Wali (Protector and Helper) of the believers.

69. A party of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) wish to lead you astray. But they shall not lead astray anyone except themselves, and they perceive not.

70. O people of the Scripture! (Jews and Christians): "Why do you disbelieve in the Ayat of Allah, [the Verses about Prophet Muhammad present in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] while you (yourselves) bear witness (to their truth)."

71. O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians): "Why do you mix truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know?"

72. And a party of the people of the Scripture say: "Believe in the morning in that which is revealed to the believers (Muslims), and reject it at the end of the day, so that they may turn back.

73. And believe no one except the one who follows your religion. Say (O Muhammad ): "Verily! Right guidance is the Guidance of Allah" and do not believe that anyone can receive like that which you have received (of Revelation) except when he follows your religion, otherwise they would engage you in argument before your Lord. Say (O Muhammad ): "All the bounty is in the Hand of Allah; He grants to whom He wills. And Allah is All-Sufficient for His creatures' needs, the All-Knower."

74. He selects for His Mercy (Islam and the Qur'an with Prophethood) whom He wills and Allah is the Owner of Great Bounty.

75. Among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) is he who, if entrusted with a Cantar (a great amount of wealth, etc.), will readily pay it back; and among them there is he who, if entrusted with a single silver coin, will not repay it unless you constantly stand demanding, because they say: "There is no blame on us to betray and take the properties of the illiterates (Arabs)." But they tell a lie against Allah while they know it.

76. Yes, whoever fulfils his pledge and fears Allah much; verily, then Allah loves those who are Al-Muttaqun (the pious - see V.2:2).

77. Verily, those who purchase a small gain at the cost of Allah's Covenant and their oaths, they shall have no portion in the Hereafter (Paradise). Neither will Allah speak to them, nor look at them on the Day of Resurrection, nor will He purify them, and they shall have a painful torment.

78. And verily, among them is a party who distort the Book with their tongues (as they read), so that you may think it is from the Book, but it is not from the Book, and they say: "This is from Allah," but it is not from Allah; and they speak a lie against Allah while they know it.

79. It is not (possible) for any human being to whom Allah has given the Book and Al-Hukma (the knowledge and understanding of the laws of religion, etc.) and Prophethood to say to the people: "Be my worshippers rather than Allah's." On the contrary (he would say): "Be you Rabbaniyun (learned men of religion who practise what they know and also preach others), because you are teaching the Book, and you are studying it."

80. Nor would he order you to take angels and Prophets for lords (gods). Would he order you to disbelieve after you have submitted to Allah's Will? (Tafsir At-Tabari).

81. And (remember) when Allah took the Covenant of the Prophets, saying: "Take whatever I gave you from the Book and Hikmah (understanding of the Laws of Allah, etc.), and afterwards there will come to you a Messenger (Muhammad ) confirming what is with you; you must, then, believe in him and help him." Allah said: "Do you agree (to it) and will you take up My Covenant (which I conclude with you)?" They said: "We agree." He said: "Then bear witness; and I am with you among the witnesses (for this)."

82. Then whoever turns away after this, they are the Fasiqun (rebellious: those who turn away from Allah's Obedience).

83. Do they seek other than the religion of Allah (the true Islamic Monotheism worshipping none but Allah Alone), while to Him submitted all creatures in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly. And to Him shall they all be returned.

84. Say (O Muhammad ): "We believe in Allah and in what has been sent down to us, and what was sent down to Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob) and Al-Asbat [the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)] and what was given to Musa (Moses), 'Iesa (Jesus) and the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between one another among them and to Him (Allah) we have submitted (in Islam)."

85. And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.

86. How shall Allah guide a people who disbelieved after their belief and after they bore witness that the Messenger (Muhammad ) is true and after clear proofs had come unto them? And Allah guides not the people who are Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers).

87. They are those whose recompense is that on them (rests) the Curse of Allah, of the angels, and of all mankind.

88. They will abide therein (Hell). Neither will their torment be lightened, nor will it be delayed or postponed (for a while).

89. Except for those who repent after that and do righteous deeds. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

90. Verily, those who disbelieved after their Belief and then went on increasing in their disbelief (i.e. disbelief in the Qur'an and in Prophet Muhammad ) - never will their repentance be accepted [because they repent only by their tongues and not from their hearts]. And they are those who are astray.

91. Verily, those who disbelieved, and died while they were disbelievers, the (whole) earth full of gold will not be accepted from anyone of them even if they offered it as a ransom. For them is a painful torment and they will have no helpers.

92. By no means shall you attain Al-Birr (piety, righteousness, etc., it means here Allah's Reward, i.e. Paradise), unless you spend (in Allah's Cause) of that which you love; and whatever of good you spend, Allah knows it well.

93. All food was lawful to the Children of Israel, except what Israel made unlawful for himself before the Taurat (Torah) was revealed. Say (O Muhammad ): "Bring here the Taurat (Torah) and recite it, if you are truthful."

94. Then after that, whosoever shall invent a lie against Allah, , such shall indeed be the Zalimun (disbelievers).

95. Say (O Muhammad ): "Allah has spoken the truth; follow the religion of Ibrahim (Abraham) Hanifa (Islamic Monotheism, i.e. he used to worship Allah Alone), and he was not of Al-Mushrikun." (See V.2:105)

96. Verily, the first House (of worship) appointed for mankind was that at Bakkah (Makkah), full of blessing, and a guidance for Al-'Alamin (the mankind and jinns).

97. In it are manifest signs (for example), the Maqam (place) of Ibrahim (Abraham); whosoever enters it, he attains security. And Hajj (pilgrimage to Makkah) to the House (Ka'bah) is a duty that mankind owes to Allah, those who can afford the expenses (for one's conveyance, provision and residence); and whoever disbelieves [i.e. denies Hajj (pilgrimage to Makkah), then he is a disbeliever of Allah], then Allah stands not in need of any of the 'Alamin (mankind and jinns).

98. Say: "O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Why do you reject the Ayat of Allah (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) while Allah is Witness to what you do?"

99. Say: "O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Why do you stop those who have believed, from the Path of Allah, seeking to make it seem crooked, while you (yourselves) are witnesses [to Muhammad as a Messenger of Allah and Islam (Allah's Religion, i.e. to worship none but Him Alone)]? And Allah is not unaware of what you do."

100. O you who believe! If you obey a group of those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians), they would (indeed) render you disbelievers after you have believed!


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The Quran pure and simple is better. What it says is

"And Allah said: "O 'Iesa I will take you and raise you to Myself and clear you of those who disbelieve, and I will make those who follow YOU superior to those who disbelieve till the Day of Resurrection. Then you will return to Me and I will judge between you in the matters in which you used to dispute."

Why not leave it like this and not put your own designed interpretations of what seems to be "disturbing statements" to you? Let your reader decide what it means in its simplicity or must others be "forced" to see YOUR OWN INTERPRETATION OF TRUTH? Cos what you put above is not in the Quran like that.

Strange that Ifa also talks of "Ela" (the deliverer) deciding to come down from Heaven to earth. The host of Heaven asked "Lord, what are you going to do there" to which He replied "I will go and provide a way for them to get to Heaven". Then they said "How will you do this?" and He replied "I will be a child in a virgin and will be born and will raise those who believe higher than those who do not. [1] Even in Heaven, they call Him LORD [2] He came to save[3] Born of the Virgin as in every rendition of every religion.

Strange isn't it, that this one Entity is mentioned in every religion and unmistakably so. Not even a slowpoke can say that verse refers to any other in history. Same with the Quranic verse which agrees His birth was Divine and required a special deed by the Almighty. So why then are you trying to convince of your own "facts" You're standing against what you claim to believe in, Guy!

The truth speaks for itself. As we used to say as little children "Tell the truth and let the devil be ashamed". Abi why you no want make devil shame?

Hope you read the quotation well coz i see your eye deceiving you

So hes trying to tell us now that its not only in Abrahamaic religion we have prophet Issah or what i dnt get it,so jesus is in every other religion like hinduism,buddism,IFA,etc

Abuzola, see how u disgraced urself here, I can't just help it but to laugh. Lol

C'mon, tell me what you don't understand let me explain it to you

Am even a pastor before my conversion so feel free to ask me anything on the bible

A pastor Are u sure u are ready to go through my Jamb questions?

sokislam:

A pastor Are u sure u are ready to go through my Jamb questions?

go ahead dude

I am proud a muslim

@uplawal:

Your religion does not allow women to talk when men are talking. Me and Abuzola are Men. Keep your mouth SHUT!

@Abuzola:

Stop this noise of "pastor before converting". Everyone knows you've always been a Muslim. If truly, you are against the devil and for God, tell the truth. If you are sure you are telling the truth, ask God (use the title GOD) openly here [b]that if you lie or misrepresent the complete truth, He should ensure you burn [/b]and burn and burn forever in Hellfire and that even before then, He should destroy your life here. Else, stop all these that you're doing

@nuclearboy,for the last time,dont ever say that again

I like that, uplawal.


@nuclearboy- i swear i did not understand ur post, all i see is threat

nuclearboy:

@uplawal:

Your religion does not allow women to talk when men are talking. Me and Abuzola are Men. Keep your mouth SHUT!

which of the religions are you talking about. Is it not in your bible that paul said that women must keep shut and have no right to talk in the church. Are you confused or what?

@the_seeker, THEN YOUR RELIGION THERE IS NO EQUITY BETWEEN WOMAN AND MAN B,COS 2 WOMAN IS EQUAL TO ONE MAN AND THERE IS NO GAIN FOR WOMAN IN ALLAH PARADISE BUT FOR A MAN I THINK 72 WHORES .

GOD says my people perish because of lack of knowledge


[size=14pt]Guys In Christ there is
no man or woman we all BRIDE OF CHRIST,
no more black or white,
no more Jews and gentiles.
no more nationality one Holy nation.
no more literate or illiterate all full of wisdom of GOD (JESUS)
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ISLAM is a sure disgrace to the Muslims! Can u imagine how this two fellow are protrayed as dummies by the wicked religion of Islam

Soki whats ur point

Quran 4:116
'verily, God forgives not the sin of setting up partners in worship with Him, but He forgives whom He wills sins other than that,  and whoever sets up partners in worship with God, has indeed strayed faraway'

Allahu akbar

Can't imagine somebody saying Allah akbar, when infact there are serious issue to attend to. What kind of sick religion is this?

You must be sick, what problem do we ve ? Yaradua or jonathan. *Lng hiss*

There u go again, who is talking about the political situation of the country? I am asking you about ur respond to what ISLAM has got u into. Look at the responses from other poster and attend to them. What a sick religion!

Afiq, lets go and see a psychiatric doc, i will pay for ur bill, you don't seem to be sane. If i may ask what problem re u asking ?

Don't bother urself, I can see that u have no solution to the many probelms that Islam has created for you. But I will advise u to safe urself of some disgrace!

Disgrace ? Hahahaha. Am proudly a muslim, it is written clearly on my forehead and cheek. Islam has brought peace and stability to the world, why is saudi, egypt, oman, Qatar, Abu dhabi, dubai, morocco Etc enjoying stability. It is the U.S that is taunting the muslim by invading them and when they avenge they re label terrorist

Islam bring peace to the world? what a disgracing ridiculous lies! Because of Muttalab we all are labelled terrorist. Aren't u ashamed of that?
Incase u are not I am!

You are been deceived. What a shame. How can u justify one ugly woman and say all women are ugly, The U.S don't like nigeria thats why because of Olusegun obasanjo stance on refusing to sign the africom accord.

Oh that's ur excuse, what Osama bin Laden was proud about as a Muslims is the same that u are not proud about. What a confusion of believe