Eluwilussit:


Well spoken. But I have one thing against the argument that it is mainly because of Jonathan. SS & SE have been pdp since 1999. It is just the most important factor. I never liked Jonathan but like u rightly said, Ameachi took it too far and too personal. I think ameachi has always believed that he's better than Jonathan and should play a more prominent role in the SS. Envy is what drove ameachi to go against his kinsman. If he does not retrace his steps, he will destroy whatever he has achieved. Someone who rose to power by associating with Odili through his house help, will not strike anyone as a great man. Ameachi has made the most of his opportunities and should be grateful and count his blessings. Not trying to rubbish Jonathan. Jonathan is the man ameachi could never be.

asuustrike2009:


Would a northern betray his own no matter the circumstances?

mrvitalis:
The question I ask Rivers people that I haven't been able to get an answer is this

U punish ur son ameachi (that's developed ur
state for 8 years) because Jonathan ur brother from another state ( that didn't nothing for ur state in 6 years)

Now who is the bigger bitrayer... Rivers people or ameachi

mrvitalis:

Sambo betrayed Buhari for Jonathan

mrvitalis:
The question I ask Rivers people that I haven't been able to get an answer is this

U punish ur son ameachi (that's developed ur
state for 8 years) because Jonathan ur brother from another state ( that didn't nothing for ur state in 6 years)

Now who is the bigger bitrayer... Rivers people or ameachi

TGM2015:

That is what I can't just comprehend even tonyebarcanista with his wealth of knowledge fall into the same category. I believe people should vote for their development not on hatred of two man/party affairs.
I challenge tonyebarcanista to write an epistle of how
1. PDP rule in Rivers state is far better than Ameachi 8 years rules.
2. How Jonathan influence has developed the state?
3. How did Amaechi betray Jonathan and PDP?

mrvitalis:
The question I ask Rivers people that I haven't been able to get an answer is this

U punish ur son ameachi (that's developed ur
state for 8 years) because Jonathan ur brother from another state ( that didn't nothing for ur state in 6 years)

Now who is the bigger bitrayer... Rivers people or ameachi

tuale4u:
APC lost because of only one thing, d sentiments of GEJ loss. Majority are still bitter. That bitterness over GEJ loss is d reason rivers people wont Even Vote Apostle Paul as APC candidate but will vote Herod as PDP candidate.

mrvitalis:

Sambo betrayed Buhari for Jonathan

mrvitalis:
The question I ask Rivers people that I haven't been able to get an answer is this

U punish ur son ameachi (that's developed ur
state for 8 years) because Jonathan ur brother from another state ( that didn't nothing for ur state in 6 years)

Now who is the bigger bitrayer... Rivers people or ameachi

coolscott:

That you say this sha, shows that you don't live in Rivers State and don't know about the state.

1) Rivers and Bayelsa were one. They did not split up out of misunderstanding, rather out of the unanimous understanding when we were one state that the part that has now become Bayelsa state was receiving too little development.

2) The statement that Amaechi developed the state for 8 is the one that stands you out as being ignorant. Port Harcourt is only the capital of the State. Rivers State's problem has not been underdevelopment at all. We just expect our governors to do their jobs. The only things we can see in Rivers State for the former gov's eight year period are
a)New primary school buildings
b)New bus stops in PH, which were not well managed and are already a dilapidated shadow of their past in a few short years.
c)A few extra roads and drainages (which every governor does, even the worst performing ones)
d)Abandoned Dr. Omehia's Mega Mall complex, which makes a bad view of that part of GRA junction
e)A very embarrassing monorail project that scooped 150bn and has not been completed up till today. The reason why the gov could not see that was a grand piece of engineering and urban planning error that even the market women rightly wrote off, we may never know.
f) A greater PH project most of which we do not see because it is outside of PH and outside 99% of the collective activities of Rivers State citizens
e) A "disappeared" teaching hospital. That teaching hospital has been there since I can remember. He demolished it in order to build a new one but right now (at least when last I saw) a small bush now occupies the place where our teaching hospital had been situated for years.
g) The stopping of motorcyclists from running in the city.
h) The dilapidation of Hotel Olympia, a nice Rivers State hotel and the subsequent shady lease deal with foreign mgt firm.
i) Massive stealing through the sale of power plants built by the state and started by his predecessor.
j) Saying there was no money and therefore owing civil servants and pensioners for months and announcing on air that he has paid them all and that if anyone says it is not true, let them come out and say it in to the media (knowing they will all be afraid of losing their jobs and their lives)
h) His claim that there was no money, owing thousands of workers salary and pensioners their pensions while he financed APC's campaign. After the governorship elections, LG chairmanship elections are to take place by law several months afterwards. While insisting there was no money to pay pensioners being owed for months and some of whom were dying as they could not pay their health bills, he hurriedly allocated 4bn naira for the conduction of illegal LG elections just so that he can install anti-Wike LG chairmen.

I don't know what part of the country you come from but folks in the state are not beggarly looking or hoping for someone to come and develop our state or city. Our city has been great in the past and we demand of our governors to do their work to maintain it in terms of cleanliness, organisation and economy. We demanded of gov Amaechi to do that when he abdicated his office to go fight a federal fight we did not ask him to fight. And we demand the same of Wike too.

With regards to federal contribution to Rivers State, you do not massage a conflict between yourself and the centre and expect that the centre and yourself will work constructively under that atmosphere of conflict.

In the end, the region should bring their blueprint to the federal govt, and a compromise will be reached about what the federal govt's contribution (financially and otherwise) will be to that plan.

As far as I am concerned, the only thing Amaechi tabled to the centre was WAR. A very big loss to our region when we had a very big opportunity to lias with the centre to see what we can do for ourselves.

Amaechi and Odili actually conducted themselves such that their administrations have been tragedies for our State. We only hope that Wike will be greatly different from these two

TonyeBarcanista:

Excuse me gentleman, my problem with Amaexhi has nothing to do with his beef with PEJ/GEJ. It has nothing to do with his defection to APC nor his support for Buhari. It is his fundamental right to align with anyone politically. Don't forget that I was once pro-APC/Buhari.

My problem with Amaechi stem from the fact that he allowed his success of his first term to override his brain. In his second term Amaechi stopped carrying out sensible projects but instead diverted Rivers money to fund APC, he embarked on elephant projects and brought to zero the same reserve that he initiated and got hailed in 2008. Amaechi owed pensioners and shut the judiciary for TWO years. The worse is he still wanted to impose a prefect, Dakuku on Rivers people.

Honestly, No governor has governed Rivers better than Amaechi(2007-2011) and we(Okrikans) will always credit him for his deeds in our land despite the water front issue.

mrvitalis:

Baba see am a born pH boy... what ameachi did in Rivers State can't be questioned

If u are indeed from Rivers State u would remember how the ijaws oppressed the present Rivers State.... Please don't bring that we are one Niger Delta thing

We are one Jonathan took our oil well and have to akwa ibom and abia? . .. We are one he abandoned our airport?
.

mrvitalis:

Baba see am a born pH boy... what ameachi did in Rivers State can't be questioned

If u are indeed from Rivers State u would remember how the ijaws oppressed the present Rivers State.... Please don't bring that we are one Niger Delta thing

We are one Jonathan took our oil well and have to akwa ibom and abia? . .. We are one he abandoned our airport?
.

ogmaskman:


Tonye, Am not trying to defend Amaechi here but I think you are not been fair to say amaechi locked up the juduaciary for 2 yrs. There were issues which led to the shutting down of the Judiciary. The problem is our pple are too impatient and biased to allow things done rightly. That issue was over flogged, but I think Amaechi was right constitutionally. Ad for the pensioners he got pension managers to take charge. The pensioners ddnt like the idea. So many things dwell in misinformation. Amaechi remain the man to beat in rivers state as u rightly stated.
Happy Easter bro.

ddippset:
Amaechi the guy who developed his state in education, health, security, infrastructure, Jobs, is the enemy while Jonathan who did nothing and wike who embezzled state funds as local government chairman are their heroes. This generation is the cursed generation. Even if a goat contested under the pdp, rivers people would vote that goat.

asuustrike2009:


Would a northern betray his own no matter the circumstances?

ihatesycophant:
Same northerner voted Jonathan in 2011 living Buhari, same northerner voted OBJ living Tofa and Buhari in 1999-2007. Pls say another thing.

coolscott:

[size=19pt]Please we know Amaechi very well. Who was Odili's right hand man when Marshal Harry was killed?
Who brought the cultists into the corridors of power during Odili's tenure, paving the way for their metamorphosis into militants?
Please, we know Amaechi very well. Rivers pple have always known the answers to these questions and only decided to look away.
Do you want people to remember these things and bring them to the fore again?[/size]
As for development? That one almost makes me laugh. I think I will create a different thread for that one later.

coolscott:

[size=13pt]You are so right. You nailed it. He watched what I think he considered "this slack man" rise to power from Bayelsa State.
Remember that Jonathan was more of a slack man than Tobby, his Rivers State deputy governor counterpart. When Amaechi was a Hench man under Odili, at the same time, Toby was something of a pupped amongst those that held real power in govt circles, and Jonathan's position in the hierarchy of power in Bayelsa State was worse than Toby's in Rivers State.

Recall that this was further established by the slapping of Jonathan by a transport commissioner, which Jonathan did nothing about. He was considered super slack and not even dreamed of by any to succeed former governor, Alamieyeseigha. That rise made certain folks in the political circles down here say "See this slack man o!"

They were finally fully peeved when Obasanjo chose him as deputy president (running mate) to Yar Adua.

They felt, "If this slack man is considered, why shouldn't I?"

So you can imagine how incensed they felt when Ya'r Adua died. It was out of their control and they hated it.
That is why Amaechi was rumoured to have fratanized with certain northern political elements against Jonathan assuming the office when Yar Adua just passed away.

That bid failed so you can imagine the complete resolve they already had by 2015 against Jonathan.

Amaechi is just a thug saying "See this slack man" in political circles. Everything he has done just says that and reflects the outward manifestation of the inner competition he engaged himself with against Jonathan.

The interesting thing is Jonathan is neither on the tracks nor at the event. He is in his mild manner, bemused by other things at other venues but it does not eliminate the competition complex that Amaechi unfortunately suffers from.[/size]

ddippset:
leave all these conspiracy theories for beer parlour joints and newspaper stands abeg. In terms of development no other rivers governor equals amaechi. No amount of 'he betrayed our brother sentiments' could ever change that.

ddippset:
lol, the same amaechi who was at the forefront of the delivery of over 1 million votes for Jonathan in 2011 elections? You and the guy you quoted are talking gibberish. Amaechi's problem with Jonathan started when Jonathan seeded rivers oil wells to bayelsa.

coolscott:

[size=13pt]Amaechi's influence did not make Rivers people vote Jonathan in 2011. We know this because his influence could not take the votes away from Jonathan in 2015. Clearly, he is not the factor that determines if we vote Jonathan or not[/size]

Actually, he also seems resoundingly unsuccessful in influencing Rivers votes people at the national assembly and senate positions

ddippset:
his influence or non influence in the 2011 elections is quite irrelevant in this discuss. The point am trying to make is that he worked and was committed to jonathan's election which completely negates your assertion that he was jealous of Jonathan and didn't want him to be president.

coolscott:

When I make an assertion, even if not based on proof but on analysis, I commonly make it clear that it is an assertion. I believe in this case, although I believe it is true, I made it clear that "Amaechi was rumoured to have fratanized with certain northern political elements against Jonathan[sic] assuming the office when Yar Adua just passed away". I didn't add that it was also said that they came to some kind of truce before the 2011 elections.

So what you should take away from this is whether these stories were true or not (I believe they were) it is clear that was just a political figure at the top of PDP affairs in Rivers state. As for vote delivery, he has not yet had that traction in Rivers State. He only succeeded once at the polls in his second term. In his first term, he did not go through the challenge of an election.

ihatesycophant:
Same northerner voted Jonathan in 2011 living Buhari, same northerner voted OBJ living Tofa and Buhari in 1999-2007. Pls say another thing.

ddippset:
Amaechi the guy who developed his state in education, health, security, infrastructure, Jobs, is the enemy while Jonathan who did nothing and wike who embezzled state funds as local government chairman are their heroes. This generation is the cursed generation. Even if a goat contested under the pdp, rivers people would vote that goat.

ddippset:
well I guess your operating word here is 'rumoured' which means it was never substantiated. So let's leave it as what it is, a mere rumour.