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Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by finofaya: 11:26am On May 27, 2016 |
blueAgent: Na simple questions I ask you o. What is all these you are writing? It is not obvious to me that there is any God who established any natural laws. When did any of that even become an issue? We are talking ethics here, not physics. Something that makes you unhappy or suicidal is not necessarily morally wrong. In the same vein, it is not morally wrong to have a mental illness. I'm pretending that your claims are even factual. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 11:47am On May 27, 2016 |
blueAgent: How much money are you prepared to pay your legally wedded wife to stay with you for a term of many days? And after the term is over where would you expect her to go? Hosea goes to a woman who is with a companion. He pays for her to stay with him. It is an exclusive contract to last a set term of 'many days'. Does that sound like husband and wife to you? |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 12:01pm On May 27, 2016 |
blueAgent: actually Matthew was probably written in hebrew but that is irrelevant to the discussion. Why are you just bent on twisting Jesus' words? But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire. I don't know how you want to draw a distinction between 'the mere fact of being angry' and some other kind of anger. Jesus made no such distinctions and in light of the context it is obvious that Jesus is addressing the sentiments that lead to murder. The sentiment in and of itself is what shall be judged, not only the action that it leads too. The same thinking is also applied to adultery and Jesus makes it clear that it is the lustful thoughts that are judged not just when you act on your lustful thoughts. 27“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Read the beatitudes thoroughly and if you still think that I'm wrong I'll agree to give up trying to persuade you. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 12:05pm On May 27, 2016 |
blueAgent: Do you know what an idol is? Please look it up. You don't make representations of Idols. Idols are themselves representations. You can make an idol of Shango. Shango is the spirit, the idol is the representation. The Ark is a representation of the throne of Yahweh. The two cherubim (or are they seraphim) above the throne are representations of heavenly beings. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:57pm On May 27, 2016 |
PastorAIO: I know that I have not always been justified whenever I'm provoked to anger. PastorAIO: Feeling justified does not necessarily mean being justified in ones anger. When did you start believing the Bible to be authentic? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:08pm On May 27, 2016 |
PastorAIO: "Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath" (Ephesians 4:26). Only genuine Christians will understand this. PastorAIO: Does this exist in the Roman Catholic Bible?
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Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:11pm On May 27, 2016 |
PastorAIO: It is the reason why it is called the authorised version and yours is not. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 1:40pm On May 27, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU: Thank you for admitting that there is a difference between Feeling justified and being justified. I take it that you concede that it is impossible to feel anger without feeling justified in that anger. Now tell me, How is a man who feels justified going to curb his anger when he believes that justified anger is alright. No angry man would curb his anger. OLAADEGBU: But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; Between Jesus and Paul who are you really following. OLAADEGBU: Sorry what question were you answering here. What is the reason why some are authorised and others not? Please point out the reason. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:21pm On May 27, 2016 |
Julianyao: So if you happened to be situated in Nazi Germany at the time Hitler exterminated 14 million people would you have agreed with the general concession of the Nazi regime? Julianyao: Okay. Julianyao: Why should others follow your moral value derived from your custom and society? Julianyao: The Bible is where you get the absolute truth. Julianyao: What do you base your moral value on to condemn what Hitler did, your society? Why should we take your subjective moral value over others? |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by Nobody: 3:01pm On May 27, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU: Like I said- On well-being. I bet the Jews massacred by Hitler would, at that time, agree with me that His action doesn't promote their well-being. I'm not making any claim here and neither am I persuading you to subscribe to a moral framework I tend to support. There's this thing called the golden rule- do to others as you'd have them do to you- which transcends all cultures and predates even the religion you were 'thrown' into, that can serve as as a starting point for the development of moral structure for a society. Interestingly, the society is gradually moving beyond that now to a level where one ought to treat someone as the person likes to be treated. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by blueAgent(m): 4:43pm On May 27, 2016 |
PastorAIO: You said it yourself . they were made to God. and served a temporary purpose. so what's your argument. God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son as a test. which Abraham almost did, but was stopped by God. does this imply in anyway that God wants us to kill our Children on his behalf. No it was just a medium to test Abraham's faith with what he loved most , his Son. Same with the Ark. Remember the Children of Israel made a molten calf by Aaron to serve as their god. So God instructed Moses to make the Ark not necessarily. as a Subsistue ,but to help the Children of Israel to Fear and acknowledge his presence. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by blueAgent(m): 4:50pm On May 27, 2016 |
PastorAIO: Look the Obvious lesson to learn here is that to be tempted is not a sin .JESUS himself was tempted . but falling for the temptation is Sin. That verse could also be refering to Jesus stressing the importances of one controlling his anger rather than taking the meaning literally. James 1:12-16 ESV / 17 helpful votes Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him. Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one. But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brothers. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 4:51pm On May 27, 2016 |
blueAgent: Shaaaarrrappp there! Liar!!! I said nothing of the sort. We are talking of representations of things and beings that exist in heaven or earth. Not representation to god. See you! You're even ready to butcher english language just to get away with your repulsive lies. What is a representation to god? Is that correct english? |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 4:52pm On May 27, 2016 |
As for the rest of this poo, it has absolutely no bearing on the discussion. blueAgent: |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by blueAgent(m): 4:52pm On May 27, 2016 |
PastorAIO:ni I have not read about this your claim. companion does not translate to meaning ones Husband. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 4:55pm On May 27, 2016 |
blueAgent: Do you realise that you have just totally destroyed the bible with this quote of yours? I've actually been meaning to do a thread on this for some time now. Perhaps now is the time. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by blueAgent(m): 5:03pm On May 27, 2016 |
PastorAIO: You are confused. you are not making any meanfull statement. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by blueAgent(m): 5:04pm On May 27, 2016 |
PastorAIO: You are confused. you are not making any Coherent statement. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by blueAgent(m): 5:27pm On May 27, 2016 |
PastorAIO: I guess U don't know, the meaning of Idol. An idol is an image or other material object representing a deity to which religious worship is addressed or any person or thing regarded with admiration, adoration, or devotion. did the children of isreal worship the Ark? |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 11:00am On May 29, 2016 |
blueAgent: Stop talking to yourself. Na so craze dey start. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 2:44pm On May 29, 2016 |
blueAgent: |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by Ubenedictus(m): 3:37pm On May 29, 2016 |
[quote author=PastorAIO post=46081732][/quote]hmm 1 Like |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by orunto27: 4:05pm On May 29, 2016 |
The Bible gives two classifications:- SELFISHNESS & RIGHTEOUSNESS. The Selfish is 666. CORRUPT/MAN IS WICKED=666 by2 The Righteous is 930. CHRISTIANITY/JESUS D CHRIST=930 by 2. Examples of objective morals, which is Righteousness are: OPENNESS, GOODNESS, ACTIVENESS, BELIEVE, TRUST, PEACEFULNESS AND LOVINGNESS ALL IN OUR ACTIONS, INTERACTIONS AND MOVEMENTS. All actions opposite of these are subjective and selfish. The Bible is a complete Text of human relationship to God and to humans. Christ is Character and is 462. 1 Like |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:25pm On May 29, 2016 |
PastorAIO: That is why you need to become a believer in Christ. One of the fruits of the Spirit is self control. Be angry but sin not. PastorAIO: There is no contradiction. When you become a child of God the Spirit of Truth will guide you into all truth. PastorAIO: When you become regenerated you will know which one is authorised and you will not be reading it only to look for loopholes. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:36pm On May 29, 2016 |
Julianyao: The society Hitler belonged obviously did not see anything wrong with the extermination of millions of people who were different to them. Did that make it right? If not why would you impose your own moral code on them or why is yours better than there's? Do criminals and anti social misfits love themselves? How will you like to treat them? |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by Nobody: 6:16pm On May 29, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU:I don't know how you figured out that they didn't see the errors of Hitlers act. Could it be that they knew it was wrong but couldn't say nothing cos Hitler had the power and might annihilate any of his own who dare speak? Albert Einstein wasn't in support of Hitlers, so he had to leave Germany at that time. Another thing I think you should know is that Hitler actually got an OK from the Vatican to 'go ahead since they claimed that the Jews killed Jesus. It wasn't until 1964 that they (the Vatican) apologized to the Jews. Let me attack your god briefly: His moral system or the system which appeals to him is a completely fecked up one. You can murder all you want, rape all you want...But the moment you give your life to Christ, you are saved, forgiven. And if the society don't know about it, wow! lucky you. After all god has forgiven you, Who the feck can judge you. The problem is that your god's system set up a ridiculously high standard (of morality) that no one can meet and then create a loophole (believe in Jesus) to escape punishment. There's also the thought crime but I prefer to leave it here. Note: Perfect justice implies no mercy. Also justice and any degree of mercy are mutually exclusive. Criminals and social misfits love themselves. They choose the life they lead. Sometimes, they are they are victims of ideologies which pervade the society or even the crime in it... How to treat them: There's prison, cells or death penalty for outright criminals. The misfits do with counseling or perhaps incarceration. I do feel a little bit satisfied for what we have now. However, I'm looking forward to a better method of dealing with this kind of things. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:11pm On Jun 08, 2016 |
Julianyao: It depends on where you get your moral values from. If you get yours from your culture or society you will have no problem living by them. Those whose culture imbibes homosexuality as a norm will have no problem with it they would have indoctrinated their populace right from the cradle to the grave. Likewise the Nazis, they would have seen the extermination of Jews as appropriate having been indoctrinated by their political leader, Hitler. The West has been indoctrinated into believing that abortion is not murder and thus they have no problem with it. Watch the movie www.180movie.com Julianyao: That is a cop-out. Cop outs don't count. What God requires is a genuine changing of the mind. Repenting and forsaking their sin as well as believing on the Lord Jesus as their Lord and personal Saviour. Julianyao: You are true in that God's standard is so high and the best of ours is so low that we cannot possibly match it with all our efforts even if we try. That is the reason God has made it easy for us to believe in the finished work of Christ on the cross (what you call a loophole). All we need to do is to trust the only One who met God's standard and by faith in Him we are saved by His grace not our works. Perfect Justice demands that sin is punished and Jesus paid that price for us so that we may go free. Julianyao: Where do you think the idea of prisons and capital punishment comes from? God loves the sinner but hates our sin. He has thus given us the gift of eternal life through our Lord Jesus as we repent and believe in Him. 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:54am On Jun 13, 2016 |
orunto27: How do you arrive at those figures? |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:18pm On Jul 01, 2016 |
PastorAIO: Should a Christian Get Angry? November 8, 2011. "But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment" (Matthew 5:22). There are a number of Scriptures which, taken alone, would indicate that a Christian should never get angry about anything. For example, note Ephesians 4:31: "Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger . . . be put away from you." Yet Jesus indicated only that anger "without a cause" was wrong and invited judgment. Many modern translations omit the phrase "without a cause" in this verse (NIV, NASB, LB, TEV, etc.), but the phrase does occur in over 99.5 percent of all the Greek manuscripts, and thus clearly should be retained. If anger were never permitted for a believer, it would contradict even the occasional example of Jesus Himself. "And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts" (Mark 3:5). He was angered here by certain hypocrites among the Pharisees who were ready to condemn Him for healing a disabled man on the Sabbath. We are never justified in getting angry over some personal injury or insult to ourselves. This is implied in context in such verses as cited above (Colossians 3:8, etc.). "Recompense to no man evil for evil . . . avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath" (Romans 12:17, 19). But if we do get angry in spite of ourselves, we are commanded, "Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath" (Ephesians 4:26). There may be some situations involving injury or insult to the name or work of Christ where anger is indeed "with cause." Even then, however, God would warn us to be "swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath" (James 1:19), remembering that "vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord" (Romans 12:19). HMM For more . . . . |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by oaroloye(m): 4:50pm On Oct 18, 2016 |
SHALOM! THE GOSPEL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH "MORALITY." We are supposed to OBEY God's Commandments because we ALTRUISTICALLY LOVE GOD. . DEUTERONOMY 6:4-9. 4. Hear O Israel: "The LORD our God is one LORD: 5. "And thou shalt love The LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." 6. And these Words, which I Command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: 7. And thou shalt teach Them diligently unto thy Children, and shalt talk of Them when thou sittest in thine House, and when thou walkest by the Way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. 8. And thou shalt bind them for a Sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. 9. And thou shalt write them upon the Posts of thine House, and on thy Gates. . JOHN 14:21-27. 21. "He that hath my Commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him." 22. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, "Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the World?" 23. Jesus answered and said unto him, "If a man love me, he will keep my Words, and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24. "He that loveth me not keepeth not my Sayings: and The Word Which ye hear is not mine, but The Father's Which sent me." 25. "These things have I Spoken unto you, being (yet) present with you. 26. "But The Comforter, (Which is) The Holy Ghost, Whom The Father will send in my Name, He shall Teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things whatsoever I have Said unto you. 27. "Peace I leave with you, my Peace I give unto you: not as the World giveth give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid." . 1st JOHN 5:1-5. WHOSOEVER believeth that Jesus is The Christ is Born of God: and every one that loveth Him that Begat loveth him also that is Begotten of Him. 2. By this we know that we Love The Children of God, "WHEN WE LOVE GOD, AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS." 3. For this is The Love of God, "THAT WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS:" and His Commandments are not grievous 4. For whatsoever is Born of God Overcometh the World: and this is The Victory that Overcometh the World, "(EVEN) OUR FAITH." 5. Who is he that Overcometh the World, but he that believeth that Jesus is The Son of God? THE PRINCIPLES OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF YAHWEH GOD ARE THE PRINCIPLES OF LIFE ITSELF!" - The Aroloye Conjecture. . LEVITICUS 17:11. 11. "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the Altar to make an Atonement for your Souls: for it is the blood that maketh an Atonement for the Soul." FOR THE LONGEST TIME, THE OYINBOS HAD NO IDEA WHATSOEVER WHAT THE HEART DOES IN THE BODY. (Sic.) Seriously. It was not until the Scientist WILLIAM HARVEY (1578-1657) suddenly woke up one day, and said: "Hey! The HEART pumps Blood around the BODY, and MAKES IT LIVE!" The Oyinbos had been stabbing and shooting hearts, and seeing blood spurt out, since forever. The Oyinbos had been strangling and cutting throats since for ever. They had Christianity and The Bible since the second through fourth century, at the latest- and it still took them 1,000 YEARS to catch up to what MOSES wrote 1,800 years before? It is therefore FOOLISH to look to the OYINBOS to tell us what is what and what is not. . THE TEN TALENTS. (Matt. 25:1-46) 1. TOTAL RECALL. 2. EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION. 3. TELEKINESIS. 4. TELEPORTATION. 5. TRANSLATION. 6-10. ETERNAL LIFE. THE BIBLE TOLD US THAT THESE THINGS EXIST: OYINBO SAYS THEY DON'T; WHAT IS IT IN YOUR BEST INTERESTS TO BELIEVE? We believe in God and obey HIM, because LIFE comes from HIM ONLY. . DEUTERONOMY 8:1-6. ALL The Commandments Which I Command thee this day shall ye observe to do, that ye may live, and multiply, and go in and possess the Land which The LORD sware unto your fathers. 2. And thou shalt remember all the Way which The LORD led thee these forty years in the Wilderness, to humble thee, (and) to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep His Commandments, or no. 3. And He humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with Manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that He might make thee know that "MAN DOTH NOT LIVE BY BREAD ONLY, BUT BY EVERY (WORD) THAT PROCEEDETH OUT OF THE MOUTH OF THE LORD DOTH MAN LIVE." 4. Thy raiment waxed not old upon thee, neither did thy foot swell, these forty years. 5. Thou shalt also consider in thine heart, "THAT, AS A MAN CHASTENETH HIS SON, (SO) THE LORD THY GOD CHASTENETH THEE." 6. Therefore thou shalt keep The Commandments of The LORD thy God, to walk in his Ways, and to fear Him. . DEUTERONOMY 30:19-20. 19. I call Heaven and Earth to record this day against you, (that) I have set before you Life and Death and Blessing and Cursing: Therefore Choose Life, That both thou and thy seed may Live: 20. That thou mayest Love The LORD thy God, (And) that thou mayest obey His Voice, And that thou mayest cleave unto Him: For He (is) thy Life, and the length of thy days: That thou mayest dwell in the Land Which The LORD sware unto thy Fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them. . MATTHEW 25:31-46. 31. "When the Son of Man shall come in his Glory, and all the Holy Angels with him, then shall he sit upon The Throne of his Glory: 32. "And before him shall be gathered all Nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his Sheep from the Goats: 33. "And he shall set the Sheep on his Right hand, but the Goats on the Left. 34. "Then shall the King say unto them on his Right hand, 'Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the Foundation of the World: 35. 'For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36. 'Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.' 37. "Then shall the Righteous answer him, saying, 'Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38. 'When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39. 'Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?' 40. "And the King shall answer and say unto them, 'Verily I say unto you, "Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my Brethren, ye have done it unto me." ' 41. "Then shall he say also unto them on the Left hand, 'Depart from me, ye Cursed, into Everlasting Fire, prepared for the Devil and his Angels: 42. 'For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43. 'I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.' 44. "Then shall they also answer him, saying, 'Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?' 45. "Then shall he answer them, saying, 'Verily I say unto you, "Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me." ' 46. "And these shall go away into Everlasting Punishment: but the Righteous into Life Eternal." . JOHN 12:44-50. 44. Jesus cried and said, "He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on Him that sent me. 45. "And he that seeth me seeth Him that sent me. 46. "I am come a Light into the World, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in Darkness. 47. "And if any man hear my Words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the World, but to save the World. 48. "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my Words hath One that judgeth him: The Word that I have Spoken, the same shall Judge him in The Last Day. 49. "For I have not Spoken of myself; but The Father Which sent me, He gave me a Commandment, what I should Say, and what I should Speak. 50. "And I know that His Commandment is Life Everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as The Father Said unto me, so I Speak." I am come a Light into the World, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in Darkness. "MORALITY" IS A FAKE OYINBO CONCEPT CREATED TO CONTROL THEIR SUBJECTS. It does not apply to their RULERS. It has no Intrinsic Value. RIGHTEOUSNESS, however, enables COMMUNION and COMMUNICATION WITH God, with a view to Channeling His Resources. |
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