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Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by finofaya: 10:22am On May 13, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU: I asked you 2 questions. Answer them first. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 10:50am On May 13, 2016 |
wirinet: Abeg o, Don't waste your cool on these debates. We are still in the debating level. Save your real energy and anger for ensuring that in the real world such barbarity is never implemented in our societies. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:50am On May 13, 2016 |
PastorAIO: You cannot just say that I failed to refute your point you will have to say why and how I failed to refute it. PastorAIO: What I said was that any standard of our own making can only be subjective and arbitrary. If you don't understand what I said you shouldn't go off on a tangent all you need to do is to ask for clarification. PastorAIO: If you haven't heard or read of the theory propagated by liberals that truth is relative then you should rather humble yourself and learn instead of exposing your ignorance on a public forum. PastorAIO: If you had patiently read my past post you would realise that I acknowledged the different subjective moral codes of atheist evolutionists such as yourself who think it's alright to kill babies or to be racists, there are also religious fanatics who think that it is perfectly okay to murder people of other religions or other ethnicities because their religion allows it. but would your emotional outburst permit you to see through those steamed spectacles of yours? PastorAIO: That is why I am here to tell you the truth. You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. PastorAIO: Who told you that our sense of morality is absolute. It is at best depraved and it is only when we submit ourselves to the absolute moral laws of God that we can have a sense of objective morality. PastorAIO: Calm down don't burst the gasket. Which of the subjective moral codes I mentioned above makes sense except for those with depraved minds? PastorAIO: Either you like it or not it is only the Christian worldview that can account for laws of morality, laws of nature and the laws of logic and if you think that laws of morality are just adopted social customs then tell me why what Hitler did was wrong? |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:06pm On May 13, 2016 |
PastorAIO: Graven images referred to in Exodus 20:4 is not a prohibition against pictures generally it is only against any attempt to replace the worship of the Creator with worship of his creation or some created thing in creation. If you do this then it is blasphemy. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:16pm On May 13, 2016 |
PastorAIO: Have you heard of this before?
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Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:19pm On May 13, 2016 |
PastorAIO: Believe the Bible to be saved, practise it to be holy read it to be wise.
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Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:49pm On May 13, 2016 |
PastorAIO: An atheist's view on life. 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:50pm On May 13, 2016 |
wirinet: Cattle stand at the slaughterhouse waiting for their turn. Cattle are dumb. Sheep follow the "Judas" sheep to the slaughter. Sheep are dumb. Atheists are waiting to die and don't do anything about it... when they could find everlasting life, if they obeyed the gospel. See if you can figure what sheep, cattle, and atheists have in common. If you're an atheist and you think that I'm provoking you, you're right. I'm provoking you to think. This is not a game. It's more serious than a heart attack. Think about your eternity. See www.needGod.com for details of how to find everlasting life. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:06pm On May 13, 2016 |
finofaya: You asked where I got the idea that the decalogue resonates with everyone and I say the BIBLE. Basic Information Before Leaving Earth.
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Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:09pm On May 13, 2016 |
PastorAIO: If you are looking for barbarism you shouldn't look any further than the depiction below. 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 1:15pm On May 13, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU: You failed to refute my point by not even addressing it at all. I'll repeat the point. 1)We do not create our morality. We discover it. 2) There is a system by which morality is derived and so it is NOT arbitrary. What I said was that any standard of our own making can only be subjective and arbitrary. If you don't understand what I said you shouldn't go off on a tangent all you need to do is to ask for clarification. But we do not invent our moral codes. They are not of our own making. So why are you making such a pointless remark. Nobody made any standard. And you are still wrong, because the fact still remains that all the moral codes subjective or whatever are NOT arbitrary. Our standards, whether we invent them or not are NOT arbitrary. We act according to our nature. We invent things according to a preset structure. You are wrong.
No I haven't heard any liberals say any such thing. I've heard a few idiotss misquote relativism and spew stupities like 'Truth is relative'. I've seen equally dumb people go on a campaign for or against relativism based on such similar misunderstanding. However if you can point me to where you ever heard such a dumbassed thing, I'd be curious to read it.
You're lying!! Where did I say it's okay to kill babies and be racist? I think you're getting confused now because the only text where I know that it is okay to kill babies and be racist is your bible.
Since man is so depraved as you claim, how do you know that what you call the truth is the truth.
But how will you know that it is objective?
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Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 1:16pm On May 13, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU: Naturally, God Own Country would take the lead in such acts of barbarity. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by finofaya: 1:37pm On May 13, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU: Right. Now answer the other question. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by Brigance(m): 2:04pm On May 13, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU: I'm always enamored by the ways of god. Quick question: is it morally right to withdraw education, health care and advancement support from my own child? After all, I gave them to him and I have the right to take what I've given. Keep in mind that i love the lord and especially, his ways. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by Brigance(m): 11:38am On May 14, 2016 |
Brigance: Olaadegbu, this is some silence. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:58pm On May 14, 2016 |
PastorAIO: That is your subjective opinion and you are entitled to it. PastorAIO: Those are values that you are subjected why force them on me? PastorAIO: You don't believe others should impose their moral codes on you but you contradict yourself by imposing your own moral code on others, that is self refuting. PastorAIO: You don't subscribe to absolute morality that all people should obey so what is stopping you from committing murder? PastorAIO: Read the Bible to be wise, believe it to be saved and practise it to be holy. PastorAIO: When you get born again the Spirit of truth will guide you into all truth and it would resonate with your spirit. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:00pm On May 14, 2016 |
PastorAIO: No thanks to the liberal movement such as the Democrats who despise the absolute, objective standard of behaviour set forth in the Scriptures. 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:05pm On May 14, 2016 |
finofaya: I believe I have addressed your objections and if not say where exactly you need clarifications. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:11pm On May 14, 2016 |
Brigance: God has the right to take your life and you do not have the right to take the life of even your child because you did not create it. You will have to become a child of God before you begin to enjoy the benefits of His children. A servant does not abide in the house forever by a son does. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:13pm On May 14, 2016 |
Brigance: Silence is golden. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by Brigance(m): 1:44pm On May 14, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU: Seems to me that you circumvented the specific question I asked. please do read it again. As much as you can help it, I'd appreciate a polar-fashioned response. You said I'll have to be a child of god to enjoy these blessings? coupla ruckus... 1. What are these benefits? 2. Are these benefits exclusive to a child of God? |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by Brigance(m): 1:48pm On May 14, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU: Many children of God won't agree with this between the hours of 7am and 2pm tomorrow. Infact, I have an uncanny feeling you'd wouldn't either. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:19pm On May 14, 2016 |
Brigance: Eternal life. Brigance: Yes. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by Brigance(m): 2:29pm On May 14, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU:Seems fair. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by Brigance(m): 2:33pm On May 14, 2016 |
Brigance: Beats me how you successfully ignored this. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:44pm On May 14, 2016 |
Brigance: It is wrong. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by Brigance(m): 3:57pm On May 14, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU: God gives life, takes it back. We all say Atta- I strive to do as God does. After all, He's The perfect Moral Agent. I give support to my child, I withdraw it. After all, its mine. No Brigance, that's wrong. Seems to me there's a standard I'm oblivious to. Right sir? |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:04pm On May 14, 2016 |
Brigance: If you are to do as God does you have to create your own child from scratch. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by Brigance(m): 4:18pm On May 14, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU: What else do I do when I make coitus with my wife without contraceptives? Besides, can you reconcile your above statement with this below: Matthew 5:48 (NIV) "Be Perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 6:18pm On May 14, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU: Yeah, they should have struck the babies heads against the rocks. |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 6:28pm On May 14, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU:And who is giving me the entitlement? You? Those are values that you are subjected why force them on me? You continue to lie and delude yourself. Where did I force any values on you? Are you not the one extolling your barbaric stone age values on this thread.
Liar Liar!! Where did I say others shouldn't impose their moral codes on others. And further more, where did I impose my moral code on others. I haven't even mentioned what my moral code is, or whether or not I have one. You're just a fantasist. You and your fantasy god.
My personal subjective inner moral compass most likely would stop me from committing such vile acts as you and your god are wont to commit.
Did you get this spirit before reading the bible or after reading the bible? If the spirit came after then how did you understand the bible before it came? If the spirit came before, then how did you get the spirit without even reading the bible? |
Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by Brigance(m): 6:37pm On May 14, 2016 |
I haven't thought in this direction before. However, a time before now, I'd have said the Spirit came on me as soon as I became born again.. Funny enough, he'd probably agree with me.. |
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