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Re: Senators Disagree On Nationality Of Killer Herdsmen by chukuli(m): 8:16am On Apr 29, 2016
BeeBeeOoh:


No Regards For Human Lives Anymore Since APC & Buhari Came Into Power.



No need because things are already outta control & Buhari is looking the other way. Buhari has proven his critics right that he is a religious fanatic, tribalistic bigot & a tyrant.



God Bless Godswill Akpabio, somebody please tell him that “5 Per Cent” are solidly behind him..

LAST BULLET: Buhari & his kins men are propelling & gearing the disintegration of Nigeria. As i've heard someone say, “Buhari Came To Divide Nigeria Not To Rule Her”.
.to the state idiot called isa misau,stop making a redicule of ur brainless self,this quagmire we are in is Fulani(Nigeria) initiated.
Re: Senators Disagree On Nationality Of Killer Herdsmen by orunto27: 9:09am On Apr 29, 2016
We don't care the nationlities they claim, they are all criminals, silly and selfish. They should acquire grazing lands from State, Local and Traditional Governors if they qualify.

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Re: Senators Disagree On Nationality Of Killer Herdsmen by rexzqcom(m): 9:21am On Apr 29, 2016
Kay17:


In the United States, prior to the FBI, criminals could easily cross over State borders and jurisdictions, thereby evading justice. The FBI solved that with a national jurisdiction over particular crimes detrimental to national interests.

Now we have you suggesting a problem to our solution. Dividing up and creating multiple law enforcement jurisdictions will cause frictions. Criminals can easily escape justice by merely jumping from one jurisdiction to another.

Besides what efficiency have the states and local governments demonstrated that would lead us to add more responsibilities to their schedule.

Few remnants of present police can be designated as federal Marshall units (uniformed), while the nonuniformed intelligences units as federal intelligences unit like the FBl, and cia for international issues.
All policings are local. All crimes happen in local jurisdictions. States sheriff department coordinate intra- state matters occuring across local jurisdictional authorities. FBI/ federal Marshalls coordinate inter-states and federal laws violations respectively.
Often deputy costables (costabulary unit) police unincorporated areas between localities. Chiefs of local police are appointed by local governments chairs, who are ellected and accountable to the people. This is what decentralised police look like.

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Re: Senators Disagree On Nationality Of Killer Herdsmen by Nobody: 9:30am On Apr 29, 2016
Kay17:


The so called Federalism the United States practices grows weaker with a very strong central government. Since the American Civil War, the central government has taken up more responsibilities in equipping and creating an armed force with international stretch, social welfare to it's citizens, foreign affairs, the national economy, international trade and even a federal police etc.

These roles enable the central government to overshadow the States in such a manner that true federalism can not be said to exist!

Having a strong federal government and having strong states are not mutually exclusive. The united states is a rich country and can afford to implement social programs nationwide. The states CONTROL their administrations, funding, education boards, the POLICE. etc. Of course the federal govt controls intelligence services, the army and international trade. If they dont, whats the point of having a federal govt or remaining as a country, all d states can seceede.

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Re: Senators Disagree On Nationality Of Killer Herdsmen by rexzqcom(m): 9:49am On Apr 29, 2016
janellemonae:


Having a strong federal government and having strong states are not mutually exclusive. The united states is a rich country and can afford to implement social programs nationwide. The states CONTROL their administrations, funding, education boards, the POLICE. etc. Of course the federal govt controls intelligence services, the army and international trade. If they dont, whats the point of having a federal govt or remaining as a country, all d states can seceede.

correct to cerrain extent. All states in the USA have all arms of their national forces. They're call state national guards. In time of wars states contribute troops from their national guards units to meet the nations demand.
State governors deploys some of these units occasionally to meet their state needs. Like riots and other emergencies. States national guards units, though wholly financed and equipped by federal government, but are under the command of states governors. After completions of national deployments engagements return to their state units bases. For example, GW Bush was a Texas national guards soldier.
Re: Senators Disagree On Nationality Of Killer Herdsmen by 9japride(m): 10:28am On Apr 29, 2016
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fulaniHERDSman:
Mynd44 get ready to ban anyone that threatens the life of my peaceful people angry
U guys are really funny and mischievous. U won't face the issue or find a possible solution rather u'll instigate other people to anger and when they react u call for ban. God is not dead he is very much alive and one day all evil perpetrators of innocent Nigerians will be brought to book. Goodday
Re: Senators Disagree On Nationality Of Killer Herdsmen by Kay17: 11:12am On Apr 29, 2016
janellemonae:


Having a strong federal government and having strong states are not mutually exclusive. The united states is a rich country and can afford to implement social programs nationwide. The states CONTROL their administrations, funding, education boards, the POLICE. etc. Of course the federal govt controls intelligence services, the army and international trade. If they dont, whats the point of having a federal govt or remaining as a country, all d states can seceede.

What the hell does "strong federal and strong state government" mean?! Strong in this sense means a favorable imbalance of powers and responsibilities in for either the States or the central government. Therefore a true federation has more responsibilities powers and resources to the constituent States and deliberately weakening the centre in order to maintain their relative independence.

Compared to the past and pre Civil War (US) the States were more powerful with most of the responsibilities and resources the federal government now has.
Re: Senators Disagree On Nationality Of Killer Herdsmen by Kay17: 11:16am On Apr 29, 2016
rexzqcom:


Few remnants of present police can be designated as federal Marshall units (uniformed), while the nonuniformed intelligences units as federal intelligences unit like the FBl, and cia for international issues.
All policings are local. All crimes happen in local jurisdictions. States sheriff department coordinate intra- state matters occuring across local jurisdictional authorities. FBI/ federal Marshalls coordinate inter-states and federal laws violations respectively.
Often deputy costables (costabulary unit) police unincorporated areas between localities. Chiefs of local police are appointed by local governments chairs, who are ellected and accountable to the people. This is what decentralised police look like.

FBI is a national police not a mere intelligence unit. Their constituting law describes them as law enforcement under the attorney General. They through the AG prosecute make arrests etc. They are the most powerful law enforcement in the US.

Now this so called coordination between multiple police units, isn't it a waste of resources and time?! It is not like there is an authority that covers coordinating police units which ensures smooth coordination.
Re: Senators Disagree On Nationality Of Killer Herdsmen by rexzqcom(m): 11:44am On Apr 29, 2016
Kay17:


FBI is a national police not a mere intelligence unit. Their constituting law describes them as law enforcement under the attorney General. They through the AG prosecute make arrests etc. They are the most powerful law enforcement in the US.

Now this so called coordination between multiple police units, isn't it a waste of resources and time?! It is not like there is an authority that covers coordinating police units which ensures smooth coordination.

USA do not have national police. FBI is not a national police. Is an undercover "federal bureau of investigations".As such, they don't wear uniforms. Other than prosecuting federal laws violations, FBI effect arrest of people who commit crime in one state and run or live in another states. FBI apprehend such people and present them to where they're needed. And also charge them for federal count of interstates flight to avoid prosecutions. Just like CIA do international flights to avoid prosecutions matters. Coordinations are synchronize seamlessly by the middle authority and the localities. For example Lagos city police complains to federal intelligences unit, who communicates with their branch in ibadan. Fed in ibadan, act on ibadan local police, who does the arrest. Hands to Fed who takes the criminal to Lagos local police, who charges him to court.
Same thing between localities within the same state. The intermediary this time are state authorities like sherrif,DPS, or states Troopers.
Re: Senators Disagree On Nationality Of Killer Herdsmen by Nobody: 11:52am On Apr 29, 2016
doublewisdom:
What does the nationality of the herdsmen matter? May Thunder and lightening strike those stupid sinnators arguing irrelevances instead of protecting lives

It is not the duty of Senators to protect lives! It is the duty of the Law Enforcement Agents!
Re: Senators Disagree On Nationality Of Killer Herdsmen by rexzqcom(m): 12:02pm On Apr 29, 2016
@Kay17
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Scope of FBI duties is wide. Sometimes, they investigate and reprosecute cases of local jurisdictions where there are suspicion of miscarriage of justice.
Los-Angeles police cannot go to New-York and arrest somebody from his home. FBI coordinate that. New-York police cannot go to Nigeria to arrest somebody. CIA coordinate that. USA have no national police. FBI is not a national police. Is a national (undercover) intelligences laws enforcement organization. As undercover, they wears no uniforms.
Re: Senators Disagree On Nationality Of Killer Herdsmen by Omonigeriarere: 12:23pm On Apr 29, 2016
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BeeBeeOoh:


No Regards For Human Lives Anymore Since APC & Buhari Came Into Power.



No need because things are already outta control & Buhari is looking the other way. Buhari has proven his critics right that he is a religious fanatic, tribalistic bigot & a tyrant.



God Bless Godswill Akpabio, somebody please tell him that “5 Per Cent” are solidly behind him..

LAST BULLET: Buhari & his kins men are propelling & gearing the disintegration of Nigeria. As i've heard someone say, “Buhari Came To Divide Nigeria Not To Rule Her”.
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When ACN was calling for state police, it was your likes that were condemning it saying they will use it for political gain all in an attempt to ensure that your ineffectual buffon was elected. This was further buttressed in the above write up, another APC Senator was even calling for arming even LG vigilante.

Fashola defended this assertion during the ministerial screening too saying State Police is of paramount importance because no process can revive a lost soul. The question begging for an answer is - is there any process or legislation that can bring back the lost souls?

Now, you have seen a negative effect of inability to decentralize police and each Nigerian Senator is there using the number of police personnels which a Local Government do not possess.

Anyway, Nigeria my country: it is well with you.
Re: Senators Disagree On Nationality Of Killer Herdsmen by naija247: 1:16pm On Apr 29, 2016
So some senators still think Nigerians are not capable of senseless killings.
Re: Senators Disagree On Nationality Of Killer Herdsmen by Kay17: 1:17pm On Apr 30, 2016
rexzqcom:


USA do not have national police. FBI is not a national police. Is an undercover "federal bureau of investigations".As such, they don't wear uniforms. Other than prosecuting federal laws violations, FBI effect arrest of people who commit crime in one state and run or live in another states. FBI apprehend such people and present them to where they're needed. And also charge them for federal count of interstates flight to avoid prosecutions. Just like CIA do international flights to avoid prosecutions matters. Coordinations are synchronize seamlessly by the middle authority and the localities. For example Lagos city police complains to federal intelligences unit, who communicates with their branch in ibadan. Fed in ibadan, act on ibadan local police, who does the arrest. Hands to Fed who takes the criminal to Lagos local police, who charges him to court.
Same thing between localities within the same state. The intermediary this time are state authorities like sherrif,DPS, or states Troopers.

The pertinent question you artfully dodged -- isn't the entire arrangement a waste of resources when an overarching system like a federal police be used to avoid such waste and web of coordinating authorities. Rather than have several police units, just one would suffice.
Re: Senators Disagree On Nationality Of Killer Herdsmen by Kay17: 1:20pm On Apr 30, 2016
rexzqcom:
@Kay17
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Scope of FBI duties is wide. Sometimes, they investigate and reprosecute cases of local jurisdictions where there are suspicion of miscarriage of justice.
Los-Angeles police cannot go to New-York and arrest somebody from his home. FBI coordinate that. New-York police cannot go to Nigeria to arrest somebody. CIA coordinate that. USA have no national police. FBI is not a national police. Is a national (undercover) intelligences laws enforcement organization. As undercover, they wears no uniforms.

They are not police but law enforcement intelligence agency because they don't wear a uniform?! I think if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, it is a duck!

If tomorrow the Nigeria Police decides to dispense with uniforms, would that make them only law enforcement and intelligence agency?!
Re: Senators Disagree On Nationality Of Killer Herdsmen by Ngozi123(f): 3:04pm On Apr 30, 2016
Karm16:


Another Yoruba man with sense. Only our people know how to talk.
Others are telling their people to cry and fast on national TV.

I hope that no one falls for this bait. There seems to be an influx of northerners pretending to be from various southern ethnic groups who have been sent to destabilise and cause discontent among southerners. Again, don't fall for this bait.
Re: Senators Disagree On Nationality Of Killer Herdsmen by chuose: 5:11pm On Apr 30, 2016
Karm16:


I'm not from Enugu state bro.

You are from the west, they are kidnapping ur people for fun

[url] https://www.nairaland.com/3078394/iyabo-anisulowos-kidnappers-want-n200m [/url]
Re: Senators Disagree On Nationality Of Killer Herdsmen by rexzqcom(m): 8:57pm On Apr 30, 2016
Kay17:


They are not police but law enforcement intelligence agency because they don't wear a uniform?! I think if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, it is a duck!

If tomorrow the Nigeria Police decides to dispense with uniforms, would that make them only law enforcement and intelligence agency?!

Their name says it all...FBI--federal bureau of investigation. Think Nigeria use to have something like that as a unit of their police department....CID...central Intelligence division(department).
Unlike the Nigeria type, USA own is federal constituted unit independent of other police departments.
Don't have time for costs benefits analysis. System do decentralised and saturate communities with policing needs. Enforcers knows the population better because they're members. When new people enter their communities they know strangers. And are also aware of the bad actors to round up or check out when bad things happen. They knows their beats. And communicates findings to FBI and CIA when necessary and required for homeland security protection central database.
Re: Senators Disagree On Nationality Of Killer Herdsmen by Kay17: 9:10pm On Apr 30, 2016
rexzqcom:


Their name says it all...FBI--federal bureau of investigation. Think Nigeria use to have something like that as a unit of their police department....CID...central Intelligence division(department).
Unlike the Nigeria type, USA own is federal constituted unit independent of other police departments.
Don't have time for costs benefits analysis. System do decentralised and saturate communities with policing needs. Enforcers knows the population better because they're members. When new people enter their communities they know strangers. And are also aware of the bad actors to round up or check out when bad things happen. They knows their beats. And communicates findings to FBI and CIA when necessary and required for homeland security protection central database.

"They know their community better" is your thin threadlike point you have. I think policing is more complex than that.
Re: Senators Disagree On Nationality Of Killer Herdsmen by rexzqcom(m): 9:28pm On Apr 30, 2016
Kay17:


"They know their community better" is your thin threadlike point you have. I think policing is more complex than that.

Keen knowledge of communities and terrains are indispensable to preventing and solving crimes when it happens. Having someone from Ibadan to patrol and police Enugu neighborhoods is inefficient uphill task.
Local people are least likely to cooperate and volunteer needed informations to solve crimes to a police who is a stranger as they will to a local one from their midst.
Re: Senators Disagree On Nationality Of Killer Herdsmen by Uyemi: 4:34pm On Jun 21, 2017
This is robbing Peter to pay Paul but than again, we are in Nigerian and every thing is possible because we tend to condone it. we don't get beef for free yet we pay dearly for their breeding.
If they are Nigerians, their continuous menace is an insult to our security system but if they are foreigners then its a big slap to the federal republic of Nigeria that is not just a sovereign nation but the "giant of Africa".
Re: Senators Disagree On Nationality Of Killer Herdsmen by rejoice4eva(m): 4:51pm On Jun 21, 2017
They make Nigerians angry and they annoy us daily by their wickedness, what a nation.

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