Alfamann:
OP, you need to fast forward this your tori. I am particularly interested in your meeting with the spirit of wisdom that can only come from Lord Master Satan.

This got me laughing out loud.

ollah1:


The member wrote a beautiful piece devoid of curses, insults or whatever and the best response you can give him is this. Whatever treatment you lots get from Seun is rightly deserved

It is an insult to call anything Idolatry maybe when you evolve you will get that. What treatment can Seun give me ? You are pathetic and lack self esteem that is why you are writing that rubbish. The point is this; Muslims are sensitive to criticism so they are protected. They should reciprocate this by shutting the Bleep up.What is Idolatry? Is going around a desert stone not Idolatry? Is calling Muhammad's name five times a day not idolatry? Is facing Mecca Five times a day not Idolatry. And what the hell is up with that blue kettle? If that ain't idolatry then what is??

[quote author=HardMirror post=45205356]CONTINUATION...
CURIORITY and DARING TO QUESTION GOD

The christian God is regarded as a FATHER NOT a SLAVE MASTER.
I took God as my father. I discuss anything and everything with him. He was a friend I loved so much . We had a one on one relationship.


You sir are an idiot.. At the bolded, I don't seems to understand you again...
You are now an atheist thank GOD..
But before becoming an atheist, your bolded sentences clearly stated you talked to God on daily basis. Now, an atheist doesn't believe God exists, now who were you talking to, a ghost? Whose voice were you relating to?

These are some of the reasons I dont take religion serious any longer, when you turn yourself into a religious manaic, a religious fanatic, a religious weirdo, you lose your way entirely because the more you look the less you see..

I am not an Atheist, neither do l belive in do or die christianity.. Many churches and pastors have brainwashed their followers in which you are a victim and at the same time the villain.

There is God absolutely, he exists, I have seen things happens that are extra ordinary.. Both personally and to my close relatives that has God written all over it..

The problem is Nigerians takes things too far, Worshipping God is not a do or die, the bible is written by humans and therefore not 100% accurate.. But one thing that is 100% true in the Bible is the statement '' my people perish because they lack knowledge ''

I never go to church again since I found out it does more damage than good to my thinking and it is killing me soflty.. There are too much deceits and lies and l aint gonna be part of that but there is God.. So l just sit in my room, say a thank you prayer and made little or no request because if i asked God to spare someones life, wont he eventually die cos we are all bound to die, if l ask God to bless me now, wont l go broke again, if I ask God to heal me, won't l get sick again? So why should I keep bothering him?..

All I do now is just to say thank you God and whatever he adds on top of that I see as a bonus.

Life aint hard, we are making it so ourselves..

I know the atheist wont understand my view neither would most Christian fanatics.. I'm just a man knowing God in my own lane without the influence of idiots..

And Op, a word of advice, you need help, you are experiencing depression, it is the truth..

omonnakoda:
It is an insult to call anything Idolatry maybe when you evolve you will get that. What treatment can Seun give me ? You are pathetic and lack self esteem that is why you are writing that rubbish. The point is this; Muslims are sensitive to criticism so they are protected. They should reciprocate this by shutting the Bleep up.What is Idolatry? Is going around a desert stone not Idolatry? Is calling Muhammad's name five times a day not idolatry? Is facing Mecca Five times a day not Idolatry. And what the hell is up with that blue kettle? If that ain't idolatry then what is??

I believe shouting Jesus name upandan is idolatry likewise going to church or tithing. Perhaps everything revolving Christianity is also idolatry

this thread, a very controversial one. it's an old one and alot of people aired their opinion to discredit the op. I really don't know why it is hitting front page today, maybe the mods or seun was paid for that. So many Anti-christ threads on NL and I have not seen one Anti-islam thread to discredit the Quaran, maybe Atheists are afraid of them? and I also don't know maybe the mods/supermods/owner are afraid of the backlash they would receive from Muslims.

Alfamann:
Praise be to Satan.

On arrete avec votre stupidite

Every human has the right to believe what he wants. why are some people bashing a PASTOR TURNED ATHEIST? if you believe you've found the light, good luck! and if I think the LIGHT has found me, no kwams.

Tunababa8v:
And Op, a word of advice, you need help, you are experiencing depression, it is the truth.

So you are a psychiatrist now?
So conceited and arrogant.

Let me tell you something for free.Everyone who lives long enough will experience depression in some way.The degree is what may differ.The ultimate futility and fragility of the human condition is depressing and so it is normal to be depressed. I do not know what qualifies you to pontificate about that as if somehow being depressed dehumanizes him or devalues what he has to say.In fact it would almost be abnormal if he were not depressed and ,maybe he is getting that "help" by airing his views who are you to judge.............

ollah1:


I believe shouting Jesus name upandan is idolatry likewise going to church or tithing. Perhaps everything revolving Christianity is also idolatry

I agree and Islam too , Middle East Idolatry both religions
Any religion where its God would make revelations so his prophet's son is made to divorce his wife so the prophet can marry marry her and say that from that day on adopted sons are no longer "sons" just for that reason is not to be trusted. Neither is a God who impregnates human women

bennyrazz:
this thread, a very controversial one. it's an old one and alot of people aired their opinion to discredit the op. I really don't know why it is hitting front page today, maybe the mods or seun was paid for that. So many Anti-christ threads on NL and I have not seen one Anti-islam thread to discredit the Quaran, maybe Atheists are afraid of them? and I also don't know maybe the mods/supermods/owner are afraid of the backlash they would receive from Muslims.

The Muslims themselves are antichrists.
All these have to happen so that the scriptures will be fulfilled.

OP, verily verify I say unto you, many are indeed mad but only few are roaming

Why always Anglicans? I've heard of an Anglican archbishop say he no longer believe in the death of Jesus and His resurrection.

omonnakoda:


So you are a psychiatrist now?
So conceited and arrogant.

Let me tell you something for free.Everyone who lives long enough will experience depression in some way.The degree is what may differ.The ultimate futility and fragility of the human condition is depressing and so it is normal to be depressed. I do not know what qualifies you to pontificate about that as if somehow being depressed dehumanizes him or devalues what he has to say.In fact it would almost be abnormal if he were not depressed and ,maybe he is getting that "help" by airing his views who are you to judge.............

Stop misquoting me, I didn't blame him for airing his views, the guy has some valid points as to why he became an atheist though, but still he needs help and nairaland wont offer him that..

Atheist are straight forward and reason beyond how ordinary people would .. But this particular guy stories doesn't add up for me.. Just my opinion though, now you can swerve

Tunababa8v:


Stop misquoting me, I didn't blame him for airing his views, the guy has some valid points as to why he became an atheist though, but still he needs help and nairaland wont offer him that..

Atheist are straight forward and reason beyond how ordinary people would .. But this particular guy stories doesn't add up for me.. Just my opinion though, now you can swerve

You don't need help? He needs help more than you?

The devil has really tried a lot to put me in this line and make it seems has God has abandoned me or doesn't seem to exist but yet I know my Redeemer lives and at The latter end He shall save me cos my judgement is with my God...
nothing on this earth shall make me renounce His existence even in hard times and failures.. I'd still worship Him that liveth for ever....
spits on thread

raphieMontella:

you wish...they will..
Denying reality does not change it..

Young man , not a single person will become an atheist because of this thread . This thread has been to front page before and how many people abjured their belief in God because of it ? NONE .

There is no evidence for this .
www.independent.co.uk/news/science/religious-people-are-less-intelligent-than-atheists-according-to-analysis-of-scores-of-scientific-8758046.html
thats your evidence..

The research does not understand that deists/panentheists and so many adherents of other philosophical propositions reject religion but still acknowledge the existence of God . Do you know that deism is a philosophical proposition for just intellectuals ? Do you know that deists since the time of the Ancient Greeks are not religious ? Why shouldn't I impugn the credibility of this research seeing that it overlooked this important factor ?

Dismissing religion does not make you an atheist . Typical atheist who just regurgitates without being incisive .

drop proof na..lets start something here...not whistle talk

Christian Nobel prize laureates : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_Nobel_laureates

Non religious prize laureates : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates

Just the Jews have more Nobel prize laureates than the atheists : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates

nsitive state in individuals''...as fact...
But clearly..you're lying...
If it were so..we wont have older scientists believing in God less...
So drop the joke okay?
The most profound scientists have been irreligious..

The most profound scientists have been religious . The founders of modern science are Christians , the person who propounded the Big Bang is a Catholic priest etc . There are influential Christian scientists like Isaac Newton , Blaise Paschal , Max Planck etc

You can continue here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christians_in_science_and_technology

i dont see how this helps you...

It only proves you wrong

Your own citation shows ''atheists will DEFINITELY increase in numbers...

The irreligious will increase in numbers not the atheists

So gentleman whats your case?
Or you do not know the planets population is increasing?

Its a decline when compared to the world's population in 32 years time .

yeah right..thats why the only four multiple nobel laurates are all virtually atheists

Non sequitur

HardMirror:
Morning everyone.
Now I really really laugh at some silly chaps here trying to corner me and tell me I don't really know christ. Someone asking me how I got the holy spirit with the manifestation of speaking in tongues. Lol!
I made the first set of Baba Ogundare's Trainees. If only you know who Rev. Ogundare is. Or if only you know who Rev. Olusola Areogun is, you folks won't be spewing thrash here.
Before I even met them I was already well seeped in the gospel. I don't just read the bible, I have books I have written based on the revelation of the holy spirit to me as I read the bible.
At home I was regarded as a prophet. I prayed at least 6hrs none stop everyday. My mum felt I was called for a special assignment so she encouraged me after many attempts to stop me.
She used to be scared I would die of fasting. And yeah people die of fasting. Had a brother in CAC campus fellowship FUTA that died around 2010 from complications that were a result of fasting.

You christians here have no idea the kind of life I lved for christ.

I lived so well for god that when I became an atheist, I became the type that if you visit me to preach to me, you will leave almost throwing your bible away.

Nairaland is not enough to tell it all. I am the kind of guy that if I had continued as a christian would have ended up a legend.

So dear christians hold your horses.
Now shall I continue?

Continued here: https://www.nairaland.com/3078223/pastor-atheist-why-never-christian/4#45202884

It sounds like a good story gone bad. I bet your mum would not be proud of what you have now become.

Please focus on telling your true story as you promised. Your side comments on Christians snacks of unwarranted prejudices.

I am following the story...till end. Hopefully, I will be able to see where you fell from grace to grass. Yes, the might do fall. You are neither the first nor the last. No offence intended please.

wirinet:

Scare tactics to get you to submit to their gods and hence his priests. No one can come back to confirm the existence of hell, so you have no way of confirming the lies.
Besides, according to Christian theology doing good does not guarantee heaven only total submission to Jesus as represented by the men of god , including paying your tithes and offerings.

Google divine revelations, Heaven and hell and you will see there are people that have gone to hell and heaven. You will also see Atheist that are regretting the decision they made.

......

Lord I love you.

Lord I wanna serve you for the rest of my life .

Lord I praise you for you are the Almighty .

Lord I worship for you are the omniscience, omnipresent God.

Lord I worship you for your righteousness .

Lord I thank You for your power.

Lord I adore for your divine grace and mercy.

Lord I would never forget how you saved me from death , Even when the numerous Specialist gave up on me you stretched out your right arm and saved me.

Lord I am not worthy of your grace , I am not worthy to seek your face, I am a mere mortal being, I don't merit your righteousness but because of your infinite mercy, grace and kindness You have seen me through turmoils & stumbling blocks. Dear Lord for this Single reason, My Generation would forever dwel in your presence.

Lord I Worship you because you are the Divine Majesty.

Lord I would forever serve you because you are the Mighty man in battle, the beholder of knowledge, the glorious one, the beginning and the end, the rock of ages , the King of Kings, the Lord of Lords, the Master of the universe, the Master of all flesh .

Lord I would forever put my trust in you.

You sent your only begotten son to come to earth and free us from our iniquities.

Your son didn't come to earth as a mini God instead Jesus Christ in his Kindness, Humility and Righteousnes came to the world through a mere mortal. Imagine an Immortal being in the form of a mortal , Jesus could have called on the heavens to strike those who punished him on the cross, he had all the authority, but he thought of Me and You .

Awesome God!!!! I love you so so so so so!!!! much.

KingEbukasBlog:


The most profound scientists have been religious . The founders of modern science are Christians

What exactly is a profound scientist and is there a league table of profundity. Are irreligious scientists less profound? By what metrics?

Is science something that is "founded" what is modern science and how is it distinct from ancient science.?

All I see is breezy bombastic ejaculations with little meaning or substance

theres no doubts seun and NL are anti-christ sponsors


always allowing such topics on FP for massive views

ollah1:


Who ordained the pastor of the church you attend a pastor ?

lol, first my question is to Mr Hardmirror the acclaimed pastor....but to your question..God used a man of God that have started his ministry before my pastor received his own calling.

KingEbukasBlog:


Young man , not a single person become an atheist because of this thread . This thread has been to front page before and how many people abjured because of it ? NONE..

argumentum ex silento!....

The research does not understand that deists/panentheists and so many adherents of other philosophical propositions reject religion but still acknowledge the existence of God . Do you know that deism is a philosophical proposition for just intellectuals ? Do you know that deists since the time of the Ancient Greeks are not religious ? Why shouldn't I impugn the credibility of this research seeing that it overlooked this important factor.

what factor?
Cause you just muffed soome words..

Dismissing religion does not make you an atheist . Typical atheist who just regurgitates without being incisive.

heck!
Are atheists irreligious?----Yes
does irreligiousity have a higher co-relation with higher intelligence?-----Yes..
Ceteris paribus,,,atheists have high intelligence.

Christian Nobel prize laureates : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_Nobel_laureates

Non religious prize laureates : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates

Just the Jews have more Nobel prize laureates than the atheists : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates

how does this try to propel your point?
You said 89.something warefa!..
I need the proof..
Or did you expect me to count it name by name?

The most profound scientists have been religious . The founders of modern science are Christians..

oh..i guess the arabs were suckling at their mothers breas.ts right?
Founder ni,Founder ko!

the person who propounded the Big Bang is a Catholic priest etc..

the father of computer science is an atheist

There are influential Christian scientists like Isaac Newton , Blaise Paschal , Max Planck etc
likewise atheists...

You can continue here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christians_in_science_and_technology

i dont see how these help your points...

It only proves you wrong



The irreligious will increase in numbers not atheists..

a reductio ad absurdum?
I guess the atheists have a religion right?

Its a decline when compared to the world's population in 32 years time

no...your own source says..atheists will increase in NUMBERS... was the world 8billion 32 years ago?...

Non sequitur

HardMirror:

I never faked speaking in tongues.
I fact it came after I learnt how important it was for a christian.
the man of God that thought us was a very honest man, he did not force anyone. He only pleaded that we earnestly seek the gift of the spirit and prayed with us. That same day many started speaking when he prayed, but I could not. I just couldn't it was all strange to me. When ever I opened my mouth I felt like I was about to say rubbish to God.
About a month after this, I was praying at home. I always loved prayer walks because it helps me pray longer. So I was pacing about the back of our house (no one can see me there or distract me, there was a farm there). And asking God to help me so I can pray in spirit. I remember the words of that man of God saying we need to have faith and just speak as the spirit leads. So I opened my mouth and spoke. It was really really strange, but I started to flow.

I can still speak in tongues till date. In fact when ever I am stressed and I need solution, I pace about the house and speak in tongues. It helps me think better.

https://www.nairaland.com/3078223/pastor-atheist-why-never-christian/5#45203754

Brother I will stop following your tale here..... (I stumbled on it out of sheer boredom).

Permit me to say that your story bring tears to my eyes because we schooled same period.....

Unfortunately where I began from seems to be where you ended your search of God's reality.

I put it to everyone playing Christianity to thread softly as you can't run from your shadows.

As an inquisitive mind like mine..... I put it to you to search further, dig further, and ask further, then you will realise that the ground you are standing on is a holy ground.

WHO ARE MINE ?


I AM A GOD CHASER.... who no one bamboozled into believing God, the fear of hell didn't make me born-again as I naturally take responsibility for my actions and inactions. I wasn't discipled by anyone in particular as I followed most preachers from afar, take the good in them and leave the bad.

The present church may not be perfect, but soon the 'pastor-preneurs' will be out of business.

Watch your back dear, God's love is real.

Solomon in the scripture even got where you seem to be with all his wisdom.

SELAH.

raphieMontella:

argumentum ex silento!....

You just quote names of random fallacies to appear smart

heck!
Are atheists irreligious?----Yes
does irreligiousity have a higher co-relation with higher intelligence?-----Yes..
Ceteris paribus,,,atheists have high intelligence.

Jainism and Buddhism are religions and their adherents are atheists , they are religious atheists . There are also the Jewish and Christian atheists . Atheism is the rejection of gods not religion . Deists and panentheists who acknowledge the existence of God are not religious .

So do you see how your petty subterfuge backfired ?

That means people who believe in God like the Deists and panentheists while rejecting religion are indeed intelligent while the religious ones who are atheists like the Buddhists , Jewish atheists , Christian atheists , and Jainists have low intelligence .

how does this try to propel your point?
You said 89.something warefa!..
I need the proof..
Or did you expect me to count it name by name?

Click on this and do the math : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nonreligious_Nobel_laureates

oh..i guess the arabs were suckling at their mothers breas.ts right?
Founder ni,Founder ko!

Medieval Catholic mathematicians and philosophers such as John Buridan, Nicole Oresme and Roger Bacon were founders of modern science

the father of computer science is an atheist

The father of computers , Charles Babbage , was a Christian .

i dont see how these help your points...

Hebetude ?

a reductio ad absurdum?

Prove it

I guess the atheists have a religion right?

Adherents of Jainism , Buddhism , Jewish atheism , Christian atheism are atheists .

no...your own source says..atheists will increase in NUMBERS... was the world 8billion 32 years ago?...

Read and understand : http://www.livescience.com/50370-worlds-religious-population-will-grow.html

laribari:


What is wrong with using cap lock? Why was he complaining and reading meaning into someone using cap lock. He said the guy was trying to intimidate him by using that which isn't true. Do you know what mind game is? Let me give you an instance.....

You donot want to be a Christian anymore, probably because u sold ur soul to the devil and it's late to come back to God. Look here, it's very very hard for a true pastor of that calibre to become atheist. You can backside but saying there is no God means something is wrong with the persons. then u take ur frustration on Christians, come up with a fake story but used real life persons and places to garnish it just to make people believe like Satan always does.

Then u start ur story with only one aim to make people see why Christianity is wrong because he said it clearly that God was created by men. Instead of finishing the story and let's see where things went wrong, he kept hanging and fighting people using their own replies. That is mind game because he needs attention and he later said it. He said if their is no fruit then people won't throw stones. Means he is attracting people's attention somehow.

He even said frustration don hold all of una. Obviously, he is having a laugh at the mentions he getting, after all he said he is just having fun.

Instead of getting on with it, he's playing on people's mind. He hasn't finished his story but has condemned christianity countless while replying people.

The false story was to get attention and u don't think that is mind game when there is no end or a story at all?

OK What about as his Getting the attention and insulting the omnipresence of God. Thunder strike am like it did to many famous people who mocked God,

I pity Humans who just don't have a clue of what is unseen because they are checked in thousands years in the sand of no time. "" Respect the trend until it reverses"".

There is nothing abnormal in serving any sort of God. But there are many things wrong in wrong usage of words to a God because of the power the nature holds

even if you don't think they exists.. We were made to understand that man was created not to not live under the umbrella of thoughts and Wisdom.. Now I kw why..
But the Lucifer.. He was too much of himself to think he was closer to God and that naturally built in the inevitable hunt of his Thought. (THE OP CASE)

He saw the hardship to convince God not responding to his QUESTIONS . so he used man as his instrument to find what his thought Hunts him for "" The reason for the MYSTERIOUS APPLE "" trust me if Lucifer kw that his search for thoughts will throw him down from paradise he wouldn't have done that..

Now again the danger lies not in what you believe or what you are happy with in life but it lies in the thoughts to question the works of God and that's why Men and Satan will be thrown into hell in the second coming .. Because people like the OP has embraced the dangers of thought and thus it misleads him..

and in reality of years to come the atheist will have to accept to be a satanist because they will be forced then and no body to lean on perhaps they had someone before( God) they will kw that "" Few will inherit the kingdom of God"" in Bible doesn't make them their foundation of thought theTruth and the way to life. Basically means given up to creation and living on the foundation of your thoughts which is unsteady,,,,,,

Believe it or not THE UNIVERSE HAS ITS CREATOR AND ONLY HIM KW HOW HE WILL PLAN ON DISTRIBUTING JUSTICE TO THOSE WHO HEARD OF HIM OR NOT!!!


The Activation of human thought / Wisdom was a raw materials to Conflicts today

EVERYMAN DIES UNDER THE INITIATION OF ONE LAST THOUGHT "" WHEN WILL I DIE? ""

Hardmirror, you seem to be learned and well versed but there are inconsistencies in your story.
Back then, you experienced miracles and with your gift correctly stated things you were unaware of. Was this all a scam or trick at that time? Was it simply luck? Were all your fellow pastors(you inclusive) victims of mind games?? If yes how can scientifically untreatable ailments and diseases disappear in the presence of God? How could you reveal things about people you never knew? Who is this "Holy spirit" that led and directed you to perform this. Or do you deny this??
But all that is by-the-way. You can be a " pastor", go to church, perform miracles, and even lead people to God yet you might never know your God. God is an entity, a presence, and once you feel him there can be no doubt. it is pointless trying to prove God's existence as that defeats the aim of faith. We must trust him, completely, even in the midst of total factlessness.
It seems to me that you were a pastor of your "own understanding". You just seemed to take Christianity up and "carry it on your head" eg the excessive fasting and prayers (probably because of your awe of your Christian mentor, or a sense of duty and purpose, or 1000 other reasons) however it doesn't change the fact that you Never encountered God. You cannot fellowship and bask in his presence talk and hear from him yet deny him. Look up the story in the Bible of those who performed 'miracles' in the name of Jesus yet knew him not and those who will do so.
Lastly, God might be wicked to your own understanding, but he is still God, His " wickedness" and your "questions " will not stop him from being God, and true Christianity is trusting God in everything even in perceived "wickedness" and believing in his reasons for any and everything.

Alfamann:


I already know how I will spend eternity: with Satan in Hell.

My fear will be finding myself in heaven after insulting doG and his gay son.

Are you a satanists?

freecocoa:
HardMirror, chai! I'm just pitying for you, if only you know the amount of torment that awaits you in hell, especially since god called you, blessed you with enough speaking in tongue skills and grace, what did you do? You threw it back at his face.

Hmmm, smh, if only you know.


Just continue the story o since are already here, make we kuku finish am, but I really dey weep for you.

Your level of foolishness is incredible.

oaroloye:
SHALOM!



Easy: HYPOCRISY!

. LUKE 14:7-11.

7. And he put forth a Parable
to those which were bidden,
when he marked how
they chose out the Chief Rooms;
saying unto them,
8. "When thou art bidden
of any man to a wedding,
sit not down in the Highest Room;
lest a more honourable man than thou
be bidden of him;
9. "And he that bade thee and him
come and say to thee,

'GIVE THIS MAN PLACE;'

and thou begin with shame
to take the Lowest Room.
10. "But when thou art bidden,
go and sit down
in the Lowest Room;
that when he
that bade thee cometh,
he may say unto thee,

'FRIEND, GO UP HIGHER:'

then shalt thou have worship
in the presence of them
that sit at meat with thee.
11. "For whosoever exalteth himself
shall be abased;
and he that humbleth himself
shall be exalted."

THE CHRISTIAN STUDENTS SOCIAL MOVEMENT (CSSM) WAS RUN BY ROMAN CATHOLICS MASQUERADING AS PROTESTANTS. It was their JOB to SCREW UP Campus Christianity, so that it would not work.

Go away with your articles of no commercial value

Hmmm after reading comments from both atheists, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, idol worshippers and satanists my take on this issue is that whatever category you belong to just make sure your name finds its way into the book of life. Whether God is wicked or not don't try to be his enemy. If u are a Christian and you are not sure of your salvation you are just wasting your time. As long as you cannot choose your parents, your nationality, your complexion and your height, you don't choose the day to be born and you don't choose when to die. All these activities are carried out by a supreme being. I will advice you not to be his enemy because am sure you can't withstand his wrath.