naptu2:
To make it all very simple, I'll give a short explanation, then I really have to go.

The fact that you've made an automobile engine, does not mean that you've made a car. You've made an automobile engine.

That fact that you've made an automobile transmission does not mean that you've made a car. You've made an automobile transmission.

The fact that you've made automobile tyres does not mean that you've made a car.

You've made a car when you give part suppliers specifications of what you want, they deliver the parts and you put it all together in such a way that a person can drive it. That's when you've made a car. Otherwise, you've only made car parts.

Tell me of a car manufacturer that does not design/make it's own:
1) engine
2) transmission
3) car body design
You are confusing car assembly with car manufacturing which explains why you are literally drooling over the fact that Innoson sources the batteries and tyres locally while conveniently ignoring that fact all the major critical components are assembled from CKD auto kits from Dongfeng.

[quote author=agalamanyi post=45687915] Does Honda Odyssey look like Sienna? Even if you wipe the brand name a toddler can tell the difference from a mile a way, but no need arguing with you, you are mannerless. [/quote)


oh dude,here you are, something must be wrong with your sense of seeing, check out the SIENNA models from the scratch and check also the direct prototype ODYSSEY. maybe youll come back to apologize.[quote author=agalamanyi post=45687915] Does Honda Odyssey look like Sienna? Even if you wipe the brand name a toddler can tell the difference from a mile a way, but no need arguing with you, you are mannerless. [/quote)


oh dude,here you are, something must be wrong with your sense of seeing, check out the SIENNA models from the scratch and check also the direct prototype ODYSSEY. maybe youll come back to apologize.[quote author=agalamanyi post=45687915] Does Honda Odyssey look like Sienna? Even if you wipe the brand name a toddler can tell the difference from a mile a way, but no need arguing with you, you are mannerless. [/quote)


oh dude,here you are, something must be wrong with your sense of seeing, check out the SIENNA models from the scratch and check also the direct prototype ODYSSEY. maybe youll come back to apologize.

kobonaire:

I have answered your question. That you cannot comprehend it is beyond what I can do for you.
I am sorry but you are beating around the bush creating phantom scenarios. Try and dispute the following statements:
Innoson does NOT design/make engines
Innoson does NOT design/make transmissions
Innoson does NOT design/make car bodies
Innoson assembles CKD automobiles from China.
You can clap your hands in amazement that they source batteries and tyres locally but I'm sorry such engineering feats have been in existence since the 90s in Nigeria
An automobile manufacturer is generally judged on its worth by it's engineering that goes behind its engine, suspension, transmission, body design etc.
When you browse Toyota/Ford/Volkwagen's websites do you see them proudly talk about the tires and batteries?? Heck no, their pride is in their original engines, transmission and auto body design etc ..... go have a look.
These are some simple concepts that you can read up more here automobile engineering.

kobonaire:

Tell me of a car manufacturer that does not design/make it's own:
1) engine
2) transmission
3) car body design
You are confusing car assembly with car manufacturing which explains why you are literally drooling over the fact that Innoson sources the batteries and tyres locally while conveniently ignoring that fact all the major critical components are assembled from CKD auto kits from Dongfeng.

Hahahahahahahaha

1) You know that you have not answered my question because in order to answer the question you would have to state who made the car. The question was, "who made the car" in my example? You have not answered that question. It's a very simple and straightforward question.

2) You have further proved my point that (a) it's because these cars were assembled in Nigeria and (b) it's because they have parts from pre-existing cars, that's why you talk about me "drooling over innoson". I've been having these debates for 25 years now and innoson did not exist then.

Now please try and answer the questions

naptu2:




Hahahahahahahaha

1) You know that you have not answered my question because in order to answer the question you would have to state who made the car. The question was, "who made the car" in my example? You have not answered that question. It's a very simple and straightforward question.

2) You have further proved my point that (a) it's because these cars were assembled in Nigeria and (b) it's because they have parts from pre-existing cars, that's why you talk about me "drooling over innoson". I've been having these debates for 25 years now and innoson did not exist then.

Now please try and answer the questions

You avoid answering my questions ... so let me simplify it for you.

True or False: Innoson assembles Dongfeng vehicles in Nigeria from CKD units?

@Kobonaire

Once again you failed to answer my question, but that's no problem, I'll answer my questions, your question and all the questions perfectly before I go.

(But by the way, stop using Dongfeng as an example. Most Innoson vehicles have nothing to do with Dongfeng. Go read about GAC GoNow and BAIC).


These are elementary principles of business, economics and manufacturing. The production process is not complete until the product has been made into a form in which it can be used by the final consumer. Give Innoson customers the transmission, it will be completely useless to them (unless you are in the spare parts business), give them the engine, it will be completely useless to them, but give them a complete car and they can use it. Assembly is a legitimate part of the production process.

That's why you cannot say that BMW made the Rolls Royce Silver Seraph, despite the fact that it made the engine, neither can you say that it was made by Saarbrucken, despite the fact that they made the transmission. The car was made by Rolls Royce Motors. I'm not talking about any other car, but this specific car (the Rolls Royce Silver Seraph).

Your problem is that you cannot understand that automobile assembly is a legitimate part of the production process and that a car has not been made until a car has been made.

kobonaire:

I have answered your question. That you cannot comprehend it is beyond what I can do for you.
I am sorry but you are beating around the bush creating phantom scenarios. Try and dispute the following statements:
Innoson does NOT design/make engines
Innoson does NOT design/make transmissions
Innoson does NOT design/make car bodies
Innoson assembles CKD automobiles from China.
You can clap your hands in amazement that they source batteries and tyres locally but I'm sorry such engineering feats have been in existence since the 90s in Nigeria
An automobile manufacturer is generally judged on its worth by it's engineering that goes behind its engine, suspension, transmission, body design etc.
When you browse Toyota/Ford/Volkwagen's websites do you see them proudly talk about the tires and batteries?? Heck no, their pride is in their original engines, transmission and auto body design etc ..... go have a look.
These are some simple concepts that you can read up more here automobile engineering.

from your back and forth with naptu it's quite obvious Ur motive is jealousy.



U can't stop a moving train.

Ur hate will only make innoson motors stronger.

keep hating

Abeg all of una wey dey support Innoson tell him to also copy engine design and specification, na that side the vwork dey, every fabricator fit design body, make he copy Mercedes engine make we bow for am.

chiefobdk:

from your back and forth with naptu it's quite obvious Ur motive is jealousy.
U can't stop a moving train.
Ur hate will only make innoson motors stronger.
keep hating

HA HA ... stop bringing emotion or sentiments into this like a little princess.
I am just stating the facts. Innoson assembles autmobiles from CKD units imported from China.
If you and @ naptu2 want to be jumping and clapping you hands in amazement that Innoson sources batteries and tyres locally then that is your prerogative.
Till Innoson manufactures the engine, chassis, transmission, car-body, they are simply an auto-assembly shop.

naptu2:
@Kobonaire ........
(But by the way, stop using Dongfeng as an example. Most Innoson vehicles have nothing to do with Dongfeng. Go read about GAC GoNow and BAIC)...

Dongfeng is a classic example .... the bus that Innoson makes is a CKD assembly of the Donfeng bus : https://www.nairaland.com/1244384/suv-made-innoson-motors-pictures/2#15061961
Likewise, Innoson assembles CKD units from all other Chinese auto-turnkey suppliers.

Some of you are just dumb. Watch the video below to cure your gross ignorance. Innoson manufactures over 68% of it's parts which is a WIN. There is no single car company that produces 100 of it's parts. This video was covered by a French TV.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPxasvi6YIM

kobonaire:
HA HA ... stop bringing emotion or sentiments into this like a little princess.
I am just stating the facts. Innoson assembles autmobiles from CKD units imported from China.
If you and @ naptu2 want to be jumping and clapping you hands in amazement that Innoson sources batteries and tyres locally then that is your prerogative.
Till Innoson manufactures the engine, chassis, transmission, car-body, they are simply an auto-assembly shop.

naptu2:
......These are elementary principles of business, economics and manufacturing. The production process is not complete until the product has been made into a form in which it can be used by the final consumer. Give Innoson customers the transmission, it will be completely useless to them (unless you are in the spare parts business), give them the engine, it will be completely useless to them, but give them a complete car and they can use it. Assembly is a legitimate part of the production process....

Of course the final product has to be assembled for the user - even a cretin knows that. So essentially, that is all that Innoson does. They sources the critical components from China (CKD kits) and source other components (batteries, tyres and other components that makes you drool in amazement ) locally. Essentially Innoson is doing EXACTLY what PAN and VW-Nigeria did.

asha90:
Some of you are just dumb. Watch the video below to cure your gross ignorance. Innoson manufactures over 68% of it's parts which is a WIN. There is no single car company that produces 100 of it's parts. This video was covered by a French TV.
youtube.com/watch?v=bPxasvi6YIM

Here is another cretin jumping up and down. In that video do you see Innoson manufacturing the engine? Do you see Innson manufacturing the transmission. Did Innoson design any of those? No all they do is assembly of CKD units ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knock-down_kit). If that makes you clap your hands in amazement then be my guest. PAN and VW-Nigeria have been doing it since the 80s.

Clown have you watched the video or you don't have data? Jobless clown..what have you and useless father produced in this life?


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kobonaire:
Here is another cretin jumping up and down. In that video do you see Innoson manufacturing the engine? Do you see Innson manufacturing the transmission. Did Innoson design any of those? No all they do is assembly of CKD units ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knock-down_kit). If that makes you clap your hands in amazement then be my guest. PAN and VW-Nigeria have been doing it since the 80s.

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naptu2:
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That's why you cannot say that BMW made the Rolls Royce Silver Seraph, despite the fact that it made the engine, neither can you say that it was made by Saarbrucken, despite the fact that they made the transmission. The car was made by Rolls Royce Motors. I'm not talking about any other car, but this specific car (the Rolls Royce Silver Seraph)....

You conveniently ignore the fact that RR build engines. So what is RR sourced a BMW engine for the Silver Seraph. They have built their own engines ... like the Rolls-Royce V8 used in their Rolls-Royce Corniche (2000).
Then RR of course designs and builds state of the art engines for the aviation industry.
So since you have the audacity to compare Innoson to RR ... how about you tell me which engine has Innoson designed/made ?

asha90:
Clown have you watched the video or you don't have data? Jobless clown..what have you and useless father produced in this life?[s][/s]

Answer the question you cretin. Did Innoson make the engine? Did the video show Innoson making the engine? All that the video showed was Innoson assembling the engine, body, chassis together and welding. That is exactly what auto-assembly is. If you are not able to comprehend that, I can find someone that speaks your local mother-tongue to translate it for you in that language.

Jobless daft stop spitting on everybody here. We asked what have you and your useless father achieved so far for you to stand here to judge another man's work?


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kobonaire:

You conveniently ignore the fact that RR build engines. So what is RR sourced a BMW engine for the Silver Seraph. They have built their own engines ... like the Rolls-Royce V8 used in their Rolls-Royce Corniche (2000).
Then RR of course designs and builds state of the art engines for the aviation industry.
So since you have the audacity to compare Innoson to RR ... how about you tell me which engine has Innoson design/made ?

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Which question? You mean the incoherent question that has envy and frustration written all over it? Why not use this same time you are wasting and questioning someone's work to do something meaningful with your miserable life? Why are so cursed? Tufia!


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kobonaire:
Answer the question you cretin. Did Innoson make the engine? Did the video show Innoson making the engine? All that the video showed was Innoson assembling the engine, body, chassis together and welding. That is exactly what auto-assembly is. If you are not able to comprehend that, I can find someone that speaks your local mother-tongue to translate it for you in that language.

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asha90:
Jobless daft stop spitting on everybody here. We asked what have you and your useless father achieved so far for you to stand here to judge another man's work? [s][/s]

If you are have a contrary argument then try state it intelligently even if you need to use your local dialect. There is no need to insult my father. I have not insulted your father despite you being a cretin. I laud Innoson for being an auto-assembler. I am not fooled by the manufacturing hype when they do not produce a single engine for any of their vehicles. You can keep jumping up and down because they sourced a battery locally - that is your choice.

asha90:
Which question? You mean the incoherent question that has envy and frustration written all over it? Why not use this same time you are wasting and questioning someone's work to do something meaningful with your miserable life? Why are so cursed? Tufia! [s][/s]

You are again being sentimental. Just answer the damn question you cretin ... Does Innoson design/make ANY engine/tranmission/body work/suspension/chassis?
Don't be embarassed if you cannot answer the question even @naptu2 cannot answer that question

You were the first to throw insult. Now back to the question, what have you and your useless father achieved so for? Share it here let us compare it with that of Innoson. No, you did not loud him but you are such a bitter frustrated simpleton that is jobless and hopeless in life. Your only occupation right now is to run other people's business down on the internet. Get your worthless self out to find something to do with your life for once.

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kobonaire:
If you are have a contrary argument then try state it intelligently even if you need to use your local dialect. There is no need to insult my father. I have not insulted your father despite you being a cretin. I laud Innoson for being an auto-assembler. I am not fooled by the manufacturing hype when they do not produce a single engine for any of their vehicles. You can keep jumping up and down because they sourced a battery locally - that is your choice.

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Just tell us what you and your useless good for nothing father have achieved so far than drinking kai-kai and wandering the streets? Please share it here let us discuss..

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kobonaire:
You are again being sentimental. Just answer the damn question you cretin ... Does Innoson design/make ANY engine/tranmission/body work/suspension/chassis?
Don't be embarassed if you cannot answer the question even @naptu2 cannot answer that question

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asha90:
You were the first to throw insult. Now back to the question, what have you and your useless father achieved so for? Share it here let us compare is with that of Innoson. No you did not loud him but you are such a bitter frustrated simpleton that is jobless and hopeless in life. Your only occupation right now is to run other people's business down on the internet. Get your worthless self out and to find something to do with your life for once.

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So basically you are stuck for an answer to the simple question ... does Innoson design/manufacture ANY motor-engine, chassis, suspension, auto-body ....... If you cannot answer that then continue to wave your hands in the air shouting "Innoson is the greatest"
It does not take much to impress some I guess

You write so much like an illiterate, well that is by the way. Now answer my question, what have you and hopeless father achieved so far for you to question what Innoson is doing? Answer us..


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kobonaire:
So basically you are stuck for an answer to the simple question ... does Innoson design/manufacture ANY motor-engine, chassis, suspension, auto-body ....... If you cannot answer that then continue to wave your hands in the air shouting "Innoson is the greatest"
It does not take much to impress some I guess

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asha90:
Just tell us what you and your useless good for nothing father have achieved so far than drinking kai-kai and wandering the streets? Please share it here let us discuss.. [s][/s]

I am not the point of discussion. Neither are you. We are discussing Innoson and I have asked you a simple question : ( Does Innoson design/make ANY engine/transmission/body work/suspension/chassis?). You do not have an answer to that question. All you can do is wave you pant in the air and shout "innoson in a made in nigeria car" like a simpleton

asha90:
You write so much like an illiterate, well that is by the way. Now answer my question, what have you and hopeless father achieved so far for you to question what Innoson is doing? Answer us.. [s][/s]

The debate is [b] NOT [/b]what you and I have achieved. It is about what Innoson has achieved. I will have better luck squeezing water out of a stone than getting this simple concept through your head

I wonder how an illiterate is questioning what a genius is doing? LOL! It is only hopeless and worthless people like you that sits back to judge what others are doing. Why have you and your useless father not been able to feed yourselves not to talk of being innovative like Innoson?

kobonaire:
I am not the point subject of discussion. Neither are you. We are discussing Innoson and I have asked you a simple question : ( Does Innoson design/make ANY engine/transmission/body work/suspension/chassis?). You do not have an answer to that question. All you can do is wave you pant in the air and shout "innoson in a made in nigeria car" like a simpleton

The question is what have your useless old father achieved for you to question Innoson? It is only when you have achieved anything worthy of note that you can point at others with pride and not now that you can barely eat once a day.


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kobonaire:
The debate is [b] NOT [/b]what you and I have achieved. It is about what Innoson has achieved. I will have better luck squeezing water out of a stone than getting this simple concept through your head

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asha90:
I wonder how an illiterate is questioning what a genius is doing? LOL! It is only hopeless and worthless people like you that sits back to judge what others are doing. Why have you and your useless father not been able to feed yourselves not to talk of being innovative like Innoson?

You keep avoiding the basic simple question. Has the 'genius' Innoson designed/maufactured ANY engine/chassis/transmission.
You are I are not the debate here. I challenge you to remain on topic and answer the bolded.

asha90:
The question is what have your useless old father achieved for you to question Innoson? It is only when you have achieved anything worthy of note that you can point at others with pride and not now that you can barely eat once a day. [s][/s]

Typical backward mentality.... worshiping Innoson. Engage your common sense (even if little) and answer the question ..... OK i know you cannot answer the question ....

You are yet to answer the very important question posed to you. Now let us go over it once more- what has your hopeless father achieved so far. We need it to be shared here so we have place it side by side with what Innoson has used his God given talent to achieve. Let us in..

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kobonaire:

You keep avoiding the basic simple question. Has the 'genius' Innoson designed/maufactured ANY engine/chassis/transmission.
You are I are not the debate here. I challenge you to remain on topic and answer the bolded.

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Illiterate I am very sure you have not eaten today if not you won't be this angry with what Innoson has achieved. Hunger and joblessness can lead to frustration and bitterness. So go and get something to keep yourself busy than crying all over the internet on issues that you know nothing about..

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kobonaire:
Typical backward mentality.... worshiping Innoson. Engage your common sense (even if little) and answer the question ..... OK i know you cannot answer the question ....

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asha90:
You are yet to answer the very important question posed to you. Now let us go over it once more- what has your hopeless father achieved so far. We need it to be shared here so we have place it side by side with what Innoson has used his God given talent to achieve. Let us in..

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Again you are putting on a display of stúpidity. Answer the simple question ' has Innoson designed/manufactured ANY engine/chassis/transmission'?