Weah96:


Carry on. Although I know where this thread is headed. There is a leap coming soon.

Enjoy yourselves with irreducible complexity. I'm out.

@ OP: you can begin go.

No naaa... Where you dey go? Abeg lets finish this together.

Updates later. Cheers...

Splinz continue but know you haven't presented those facts and proofs so far.

Ah! Boss, all we've discussed so far point to facts and proofs that all of these things weren't brought about by some dumb and blind chance or accident, but a well skillful works of an Intelligent Creator.

Stay tuned for more updates later.

Its hypocrisy to believe nothing existed out of nothing, and yet hold on to the belief that god came out of nothing. Who does that

joe4christ:
Its hypocrisy to believe nothing existed out of nothing, and yet hold on to the belief that god came out of nothing. Who does that

We keep searching for truth

HardMirror:



Exactly!
That is why even as an atheist I still tell people God exists. It's all about what you wish to call god. My immediate god is the sun. The source of all the energy we use on earth. Without this beautiful sun there won't be life on earth, so I can't exist without the sun.
The rage of the sun can wipe the earth out within seconds.
But I see no reason to pray to the sun, or praise it, or claim it talks to me.
To each his God, but at the end it won't count what you believe or not, nature will take it's natural path, life will NEVER end, Billions of Billions of years to come, stars would be born over and over again. Maybe another cycle of intelligent life form will rise from our galaxy. All we've got is now, savour it and live life to the fullest for soon we shall be no more and life after death would only mean your body being recycled for other uses nature needs it for.

Problem is religion does not want to let go of life, so we try to conjure a god that satisfies our selfish desires.

A god we can personalize
A god that hates those we hate
A god that fights for us
A god that gives life after death
A god that we can use to control others into abiding with certain moralities
A god of our own convenience
That is why God is unique to the culture of people who serve the god

This is why atheism is necessary, we are the necessary balance. We don't fight gods, we fight the selfish self-centeredness of religion, we fight the desire of religion to subjugate people.

I only have a question for you brov, I'm not science inclined, but from the basics, it is scientific that energy cannot be distroyed, neither can non existing energy be created. What then is your thought about consciousness, is it not a form of energy, even though it is powered by the 5 senses. But it still remains an energy. So, the question is, does consciousness really ceases after death, or only get recycled according to a natural process not yet known, proven or discovered by science?

joe4christ:


I only have a question for you brov, I'm not science inclined, but from the basics, it is scientific that energy cannot be distroyed, neither can non existing energy be created. What then is your thought about consciousness, is it not a form of energy, even though it is powered by the 5 senses. But it still remains an energy. So, the question is, does consciousness really ceases after death, or only get recycled according to a natural process not yet known, proven or discovered by science?

Energy is transient in nature. Reason why we must feed, else we would die. We draw the energy to stay alive from what we eat. When we die we will become source of energy for other living things or simply remain unused fuel if we are preserved from decay

Splinz:


No naaa... Where you dey go? Abeg lets finish this together.

Updates later. Cheers...

LOL, I give up. I have no intentions of derailing your thread. Kontinu.

joe4christ:


So, the question is, does consciousness really ceases after death, or only get recycled according to a natural process not yet known, proven or discovered by science?

African politicians and pastors everywhere are betting money that it is the former.

Amino Acids, Proteins and DNA

Let’s take a journey deep into the cells of all living organisms. This will be unlike any journey you have ever taken before.

Immediately, we see a world of such exquisite detail, design, complexity, inter-dependence and specificity as to boggle the mind. Let’s paint a picture.

Amino acids must link together to form a chain, thus making a protein. Notice: “Yet, amino acids form functioning proteins only when they adopt very specific sequential arrangements…like properly sequenced letters in an English sentence. Thus, amino acids alone do not make proteins any more than letters alone make…poetry. In both cases, the sequencing of the constituent parts determines the function [or lack of function] of the whole. Explaining the origin of the specific sequencing of proteins (and DNA) lies at the heart of the current crisis in materialistic evolutionary thinking” (Stephen C. Meyer, DNA And Other Designs, p. 9—emphasis mine).

A brief discussion of proteins and sequencing is necessary. Proteins must appear in exact sequences to cause specific chemical reactions or build specific structures within the cells. This action is called specificity. It is because of specificity that proteins cannot substitute for one another. They are as different in purpose as an axe, a drill, a hammer and a screwdriver.

This extensive quote summarizes the enormous difficulty of believing that DNA happened by chance: “The complexity and intricacy of the DNA molecule—combined with the staggering amount of chemically-coded information it contains—speak unerringly to the fact that this ‘supermolecule’ simply could not have happened by blind chance. As Andrews has observed.

“It is not possible for a code, of any kind, to arise by chance or accident…A code is the work of an intelligent mind. Even the cleverest dog or chimpanzee could not work out a code of any kind. It is obvious then that chance cannot do it…This could no more have been the work of chance or accident than could the ‘Moonlight Sonata’ be played by mice running up and down the keyboard of my piano! Codes do not arise from chaos.” (Andrews, E.H., 1978, From Nothing to Nature, pp. 28-29).

Here is a second statement: “Indeed, codes do not arise from chaos. As Dawkins correctly remarked: ‘The more statistically improbable a thing is, the less we can believe that it just happened by blind chance. Superficially, the obvious alternative to chance is an intelligent Designer’ (1982, p. 130, emp. Added). That is the exact point the theist is making: an intelligent Designer is demanded by the evidence” (Bert Thompson, Ph.D., The Case For The Existence of God [Part II]).

Dr. Carl Sagan wrote an article for the Encyclopaedia Britannica about DNA. He said, “The information content of a simple cell has been estimated at around (one trillion) bits.” He then went on to explain the enormity of this number by stating, “…that if one were to count every letter of every word of every book in the world’s largest library (over ten million volumes), the final tally would be approximately a trillion letters. Thus, a single cell contains the equivalent information content…of more than ten million volumes” (“Life on Earth,” Vol. 10).

In conclusion, regarding DNA, nothing works unless EVERYTHING works at the same time. It could not have gradually come into existence. Special creation is required for DNA to exist!

“Tiny Engines” Inside Cells

We need to look at one more example of molecular machines to better appreciate the complexity of cells.

Japanese and German scientists have now discovered the smallest of nature’s machines, called “tiny engines.” Consider this advanced research on these remarkable little engines.

As you read this quote, ask yourself where they came from: “A group of Japanese scientists exploring the crystal structure of the F1-ATPase enzyme discovered nature’s own rotary engine—no bigger than ten billionths by ten billionths by eight billionths of a meter. The tiny motor includes the equivalent of an engine block, a drive shaft, and three pistons. It runs at speeds between 0.5 and 4.0 revolutions per second. This motor not only ranks as the smallest ever seen, it also represents the smallest motor that the laws of physics and chemistry will allow.

“In Germany, a research team used the new instruments to examine an enormous molecule, the yeast 26S proteasome. Though not the largest molecule in existence, the yeast 26S proteasome contains over two million protons and neutrons and is the largest non-symmetrical molecule mapped to date. This molecule can only be described as a ‘wonder.’ It serves as an intracellular waste-disposal and recycling system” (Hugh Ross, Ph.D., Small-scale Evidence of Grand Scale Design).

These organisms could never have evolved gradually. No wonder God says of those who do not believe in His existence, “The fool has said…There is no God.”

Alright partners. Time for digestion....... Stay tuned!

Splinz:
Amino Acids, Proteins and DNA
Let’s take a journey deep into the cells of all living organisms. This will be unlike any journey you have ever taken before.
Immediately, we see a world of such exquisite detail, design, complexity, inter-dependence and specificity as to boggle the mind. Let’s paint a picture.
Amino acids must link together to form a chain, thus making a protein. Notice: “Yet, amino acids form functioning proteins only when they adopt very specific sequential arrangements…like properly sequenced letters in an English sentence. Thus, amino acids alone do not make proteins any more than letters alone make…poetry. In both cases, the sequencing of the constituent parts determines the function [or lack of function] of the whole. Explaining the origin of the specific sequencing of proteins (and DNA) lies at the heart of the current crisis in materialistic evolutionary thinking” (Stephen C. Meyer, DNA And Other Designs, p. 9—emphasis mine).
A brief discussion of proteins and sequencing is necessary. Proteins must appear in exact sequences to cause specific chemical reactions or build specific structures within the cells. This action is called specificity. It is because of specificity that proteins cannot substitute for one another. They are as different in purpose as an axe, a drill, a hammer and a screwdriver.
This extensive quote summarizes the enormous difficulty of believing that DNA happened by chance: “The complexity and intricacy of the DNA molecule—combined with the staggering amount of chemically-coded information it contains—speak unerringly to the fact that this ‘supermolecule’ simply could not have happened by blind chance. As Andrews has observed.
“It is not possible for a code, of any kind, to arise by chance or accident…A code is the work of an intelligent mind. Even the cleverest dog or chimpanzee could not work out a code of any kind. It is obvious then that chance cannot do it…This could no more have been the work of chance or accident than could the ‘Moonlight Sonata’ be played by mice running up and down the keyboard of my piano! Codes do not arise from chaos.” (Andrews, E.H., 1978, From Nothing to Nature, pp. 28-29).
Here is a second statement: “Indeed, codes do not arise from chaos. As Dawkins correctly remarked: ‘The more statistically improbable a thing is, the less we can believe that it just happened by blind chance. Superficially, the obvious alternative to chance is an intelligent Designer’ (1982, p. 130, emp. Added). That is the exact point the theist is making: an intelligent Designer is demanded by the evidence” (Bert Thompson, Ph.D., The Case For The Existence of God [Part II]).
Dr. Carl Sagan wrote an article for the Encyclopaedia Britannica about DNA. He said, “The information content of a simple cell has been estimated at around (one trillion) bits.” He then went on to explain the enormity of this number by stating, “…that if one were to count every letter of every word of every book in the world’s largest library (over ten million volumes), the final tally would be approximately a trillion letters. Thus, a single cell contains the equivalent information content…of more than ten million volumes” (“Life on Earth,” Vol. 10).
In conclusion, regarding DNA, nothing works unless EVERYTHING works at the same time. It could not have gradually come into existence. Special creation is required for DNA to exist!
“Tiny Engines” Inside Cells
We need to look at one more example of molecular machines to better appreciate the complexity of cells.
Japanese and German scientists have now discovered the smallest of nature’s machines, called “tiny engines.” Consider this advanced research on these remarkable little engines.
As you read this quote, ask yourself where they came from: “A group of Japanese scientists exploring the crystal structure of the F1-ATPase enzyme discovered nature’s own rotary engine—no bigger than ten billionths by ten billionths by eight billionths of a meter. The tiny motor includes the equivalent of an engine block, a drive shaft, and three pistons. It runs at speeds between 0.5 and 4.0 revolutions per second. This motor not only ranks as the smallest ever seen, it also represents the smallest motor that the laws of physics and chemistry will allow.
“In Germany, a research team used the new instruments to examine an enormous molecule, the yeast 26S proteasome. Though not the largest molecule in existence, the yeast 26S proteasome contains over two million protons and neutrons and is the largest non-symmetrical molecule mapped to date. This molecule can only be described as a ‘wonder.’ It serves as an intracellular waste-disposal and recycling system” (Hugh Ross, Ph.D., Small-scale Evidence of Grand Scale Design).
These organisms could never have evolved gradually. No wonder God says of those who do not believe in His existence, “The fool has said…There is no God.”
Alright partners. Time for digestion....... Stay tuned!

bro all this long epistle if I to summarize you are saying everything is to complex and perfect for it to happen by chance
bros leave epistle alone if you say we are too complex and it require an intelligent being to create us
then I say, that intelligent being is too complex and it require another intelligent being to create that too and so on

youngestland:

bro all this long epistle if I to summarize you are saying everything is to complex and perfect for it to happen by chance
bros leave epistle alone if you say we are too complex and it require an intelligent being to create us
then I say, that intelligent being is too complex and it require another intelligent being to create that too and so on

Good! Thanks for that summary, it means you've gotten the big picture. However, we'll come to see why the boldface can't be, and what a marvel you and I (humans) are.

Watch out for more updates.

Life Requires a LIFEGIVER

What about the presence of all life on Earth today? Where did it come from? How did it get here? The Bible states that God created all life during the first six days of the creation week of Genesis 1. Is this true, or did life come into existence by itself?

As with Uranium 238, and its provable moment of beginning, the great pattern of all life is that it can only come from other pre-existing life. This is called the Law of Biogenesis. All first-year biology students know it.

When examining tiny organisms, such as protozoa and bacteria, it can be demonstrated that life only comes from life. There are many kinds of life, but each continues to reproduce the same kind over and over. This is indisputable.

Life can never come from inanimate (non-living) objects. Evolutionists theorize that inanimate objects, under certain unknown circumstances in the misty past, somehow spontaneously gave birth to very primitive life forms. This presents enormous problems for anyone familiar with the nature and complexity of simple cells.

Biologists understand that all cells can only come from pre-existing cells. Here is why. Cells, even in their simplest and most rudimentary form, are extremely complex. Consider: “The simplest organism capable of independent life, the prokargote bacterial cell, is a masterpiece of miniaturized complexity which makes a spaceship seem rather low-tech” (Darwin on Trial, Philip Johnson, p. 102). The next source is equally powerful in explaining both the complexity of the cell and its origin: “The cell needs all its basic parts with their various functions, for survival; therefore, if the cell had evolved, it would have meant that billions of parts would have had to come into existence at the same time, in the same place, and then simultaneously come together in a precise order” (Origins?, Ranganathan, B.G., p. 15).

Will skeptics ignore the truth that it is impossible to have life without a LIFEGIVER? Only God has Life inherent in Himself. This is, after all, what makes Him God. No one created God, because He has Life inherent in Himself. But is this God merely some kind of blind power, some kind of dumb “first force?” Let’s reason together.

Alright, lets hear what the evolutionists got to tell us. Remember, the journey continues.......

Splinz:
Life Requires a LIFEGIVER

What about the presence of all life on Earth today? Where did it come from? How did it get here? The Bible states that God created all life during the first six days of the creation week of Genesis 1. Is this true, or did life come into existence by itself?

As with Uranium 238, and its provable moment of beginning, the great pattern of all life is that it can only come from other pre-existing life. This is called the Law of Biogenesis. All first-year biology students know it.

When examining tiny organisms, such as protozoa and bacteria, it can be demonstrated that life only comes from life. There are many kinds of life, but each continues to reproduce the same kind over and over. This is indisputable.

Life can never come from inanimate (non-living) objects. Evolutionists theorize that inanimate objects, under certain unknown circumstances in the misty past, somehow spontaneously gave birth to very primitive life forms. This presents enormous problems for anyone familiar with the nature and complexity of simple cells.

Biologists understand that all cells can only come from pre-existing cells. Here is why. Cells, even in their simplest and most rudimentary form, are extremely complex. Consider: “The simplest organism capable of independent life, the prokargote bacterial cell, is a masterpiece of miniaturized complexity which makes a spaceship seem rather low-tech” (Darwin on Trial, Philip Johnson, p. 102). The next source is equally powerful in explaining both the complexity of the cell and its origin: “The cell needs all its basic parts with their various functions, for survival; therefore, if the cell had evolved, it would have meant that billions of parts would have had to come into existence at the same time, in the same place, and then simultaneously come together in a precise order” (Origins?, Ranganathan, B.G., p. 15).

Will skeptics ignore the truth that it is impossible to have life without a LIFEGIVER? Only God has Life inherent in Himself. This is, after all, what makes Him God. No one created God, because He has Life inherent in Himself. But is this God merely some kind of blind power, some kind of dumb “first force?” Let’s reason together.

Alright, lets hear what the evolutionists got to tell us. Remember, the journey continues.......

If u claim dat life can't come about frm inanimate things, then where did Adam come frm? The reason why no atheist will take u religious pple serious is ur hypocrisy. U look for loopholes in Evolution theories and use scientific evidence to disprove/discredit it. But when there are loopholes in ur creation story, u forget about science, and brush it off using ''spirituality'' as ur evidence. Yet nobody has witnessed any spiritual stuff taking place. If u use science to discredit evolution, u shuld also use science to prove creation, instead of taking d easy way and claiming spirituality. So until u prove ur spirituality to be real, no atheist is buying wot ur selling.

Study the Bible very well mostly about the end times and you know that there is God because all most everything he said will happen is happening already he talked about people like this who will say there is no God, even someone who will say they are not for God or the devil, but the truth is rather you believe it or not there is God

Splinz:

For real, SirWere. The evidence is why we're here!

Edybleketara:
If u claim dat life can't come about frm inanimate things, then where did Adam come frm? The reason why no atheist will take u religious pple serious is ur hypocrisy. U look for loopholes in Evolution theories and use scientific evidence to disprove/discredit it. But when there are loopholes in ur creation story, u forget about science, and brush it off using ''spirituality'' as ur evidence. Yet nobody has witnessed any spiritual stuff taking place. If u use science to discredit evolution, u shuld also use science to prove creation, instead of taking d easy way and claiming spirituality. So until u prove ur spirituality to be real, no atheist is buying wot ur selling.

I don't get it, bro. Have I been quoting the Bible all along, or strictly science based? The Bible is kept aside in this discourse for a reason- that we may squarely face this question of Creation vs Evolution in all knowledge that's available to man.

It should be noted that I'm in no way here to mock anyone beliefs. However, if you feel that I've discredited your Evolution Theory, you may as well bear with me, as it wasn't my intention.

This thread has a sole aim- to prove the existence of God. As per how Adam came about, it only means you're not even familiar with the Bible after all, as a first time GENESIS reader will readily see the answer you seek.

It has been proven that life can never come from inanimate things, but life from life. Since inanimate things can't produce life, the only plausible answer for Adam's being is God, who has life inherent in Himself. Yes, if we're to believe that life must come from life.

Upcoming updates promises to be very interesting and exciting. Cheers...

appsdoubra:
Study the Bible very well mostly about the end times and you know that there is God because all most everything he said will happen is happening already he talked about people like this who will say there is no God, even someone who will say they are not for God or the devil, but the truth is rather you believe it or not there is God

Thanks bro.

Splinz:

I don't get it, bro. Have I been quoting the Bible all along, or strictly science based? The Bible is kept aside in this discourse for a reason- that we may squarely face this question of Creation vs Evolution in all knowledge that's available to man.

It should be noted that I'm in no way here to mock anyone beliefs. However, if you feel that I've discredited your Evolution Theory, you may as well bear with me, as it wasn't my intention.

This thread has a sole aim- to prove the existence of God. As per how Adam came about, it only means you're not even familiar with the Bible after all, as a first time GENESIS reader will readily see the answer you seek.

It has been proven that life can never come from inanimate things, but life from life. Since inanimate things can't produce life, the only plausible answer for Adam's being is God, who has life inherent in Himself. Yes, if we're to believe that life must come from life.

Upcoming updates promises to be very interesting and exciting. Cheers...

Ironically, all d points u have been dropping so far also discredit ur God. Here is d thing: u dont believe dat its possible for d universe and life to come about by itself. U believe something/a Creator MUST have caused it. Remember, u have dis believe cos of the complexity, the orderliness, the intricasy, and the intelligent design observed in nature. In fact law of entropy does not allow chance to create something with immense orderliness and perfection. Now, how then can u believe that God who is even more complex, more perfect and even more powerful came about by itself?? Remember God is supposed to be a personality dat exist, a being dat is real and tangible and not just a figment of imagination. Where did God come frm? where did his power come from?? Here is d final verdict; if u believe something as complex, intelligent, and powerful as God can come about by itself, then u shuld also believe dat something less complex like life and universe can also come about by theirself. The later is even more possible than the former. At d end of d day, if Evolution is not possible, then ur God theory is also not possible.

Edybleketara:
Ironically, all d points u have been dropping so far also discredit ur God. Here is d thing: u dont believe dat its possible for d universe and life to come about by itself. U believe something/a Creator MUST have caused it. Remember, u have dis believe cos of the complexity, the orderliness, the intricasy, and the intelligent design observed in nature. In fact law of entropy does not allow chance to create something with immense orderliness and perfection. Now, how then can u believe that God who is even more complex, more perfect and even more powerful came about by itself?? Remember God is supposed to be a personality dat exist, a being dat is real and tangible and not just a figment of imagination. Where did God come frm? where did his power come from?? Here is d final verdict; if u believe something as complex, intelligent, and powerful as God can come about by itself, then u shuld also believe dat something less complex like life and universe can also come about by theirself. The later is even more possible than the former. At d end of d day, if Evolution is not possible, then ur God theory is also not possible.

Where have you ever learned that God is a THEORY and a FIGMENT of imagination? Certainly, not my own God who said, "Prove All Things", and this ofcourse means including Himself.

Get something straight here! I'm not a religious person; but a CHRISTIAN you've never known. Christianity is a way of life. Now, in this walk with Christ, don't assume we walk only by faith (even though faith is important), but know that we also deal with all knowledge known to man. Yes, we don't take anything for granted, but go out there to gather proofs and facts! That's why it is on the TRUTH that I stand!

You think you're more scientist than me? You think you're more logical than me? You think you're more observatory than me? You think you've carried more research than me? If yes to all these questions, then you certainly need to think again.

And guess what? True science agrees with God! Alright great partner, our journey continues......

Splinz:

I don't get it, bro. Have I been quoting the Bible all along, or strictly science based? The Bible is kept aside in this discourse for a reason- that we may squarely face this question of Creation vs Evolution in all knowledge that's available to man.

It should be noted that I'm in no way here to mock anyone beliefs. However, if you feel that I've discredited your Evolution Theory, you may as well bear with me, as it wasn't my intention.

This thread has a sole aim- to prove the existence of God. As per how Adam came about, it only means you're not even familiar with the Bible after all, as a first time GENESIS reader will readily see the answer you seek.

It has been proven that life can never come from inanimate things, but life from life. Since inanimate things can't produce life, the only plausible answer for Adam's being is God, who has life inherent in Himself. Yes, if we're to believe that life must come from life.

Upcoming updates promises to be very interesting and exciting. Cheers...

It seems you either don't truly believe what you preach or you're just out for sentiments.
Someone rightfully asked you where Adam was originated from in accordance to biblical teachings, you quickly answered the question shabbily, probably cos the biblical stance on the question will conflict with yours when you said "life could not have possibly came out from inanimate". Where then do you place these scriptures that emphasises that Adam was created from the sand, and thats why he was cursed by Yahweh that from the dust he came, and to the dust he must return. Here are the scriptures, go study and come back to clearify the air.
Genesis 2:7
Genesis 3:19
So tell us here, has the dust of the earth suddenly become animate for Adam to have been created out of the dust.

joe4christ:


It seems you either don't truly believe what you preach or you're just out for sentiments.
Someone rightfully asked you where Adam was originated from in accordance to biblical teachings, you quickly answered the question shabbily, probably cos the biblical stance on the question will conflict with yours when you said "life could not have possibly came out from inanimate". Where then do you place these scriptures that emphasises that Adam was created from the sand, and thats why he was cursed by Yahweh that from the dust he came, and to the dust he must return. Here are the scriptures, go study and come back to clearify the air.
Genesis 2:7
Genesis 3:19
So tell us here, has the dust of the earth suddenly become animate for Adam to have been created out of the dust.

Surprisingly, you guys are now interested in the Bible. Well, it's a good thing all the same.

Yes, it's been proven that life can't come from inanimate things, but life from life. Now, considering GENESIS 2:7, I don't know if it's an oversight on your part or sheer mischief. Okay, lets reason it together now:

"Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and "breathed into his nostrils the breath of life", and the man became a living being". Brother, is it rocket science to understand from this statement that Adam only became a living being after God breathed on him the breath of life?

Interestingly enough, we can liken the creation process of man to an analogy of a car. In that, when a car has been assembled or fixed with inanimate things, it only comes to life or usefulness when it is supply with fuel!

Please, lets not derail the thread. As I've already stated that the Bible is kept aside in this discourse for a reason.

Alright! More updates coming....

Splinz:
Life Requires a LIFEGIVER

What about the presence of all life on Earth today? Where did it come from? How did it get here? The Bible states that God created all life during the first six days of the creation week of Genesis 1. Is this true, or did life come into existence by itself?

As with Uranium 238, and its provable moment of beginning, the great pattern of all life is that it can only come from other pre-existing life. This is called the Law of Biogenesis. All first-year biology students know it.

When examining tiny organisms, such as protozoa and bacteria, it can be demonstrated that life only comes from life. There are many kinds of life, but each continues to reproduce the same kind over and over. This is indisputable.

Life can never come from inanimate (non-living) objects. Evolutionists theorize that inanimate objects, under certain unknown circumstances in the misty past, somehow spontaneously gave birth to very primitive life forms. This presents enormous problems for anyone familiar with the nature and complexity of simple cells.

Biologists understand that all cells can only come from pre-existing cells. Here is why. Cells, even in their simplest and most rudimentary form, are extremely complex. Consider: “The simplest organism capable of independent life, the prokargote bacterial cell, is a masterpiece of miniaturized complexity which makes a spaceship seem rather low-tech” (Darwin on Trial, Philip Johnson, p. 102). The next source is equally powerful in explaining both the complexity of the cell and its origin: “The cell needs all its basic parts with their various functions, for survival; therefore, if the cell had evolved, it would have meant that billions of parts would have had to come into existence at the same time, in the same place, and then simultaneously come together in a precise order” (Origins?, Ranganathan, B.G., p. 15).

Will skeptics ignore the truth that it is impossible to have life without a LIFEGIVER? Only God has Life inherent in Himself. This is, after all, what makes Him God. No one created God, because He has Life inherent in Himself. But is this God merely some kind of blind power, some kind of dumb “first force?” Let’s reason together.

Alright, lets hear what the evolutionists got to tell us. Remember, the journey continues.......

When you see a Rolex watch, the best you can do is claim that it was made by a human being(s). You don't have the authority to say that the human being is Nnamdi Azubike, your former classmate from primary school. I will ask you for proof because you could be telling lies. It's possible that two human beings made the Rolex or even three or four.

That we came from something is evident. You're here to tell me why that something is the Jew from the Bible, and how you acquired your information.

Splinz:

Where have you ever learned that God is a THEORY and a FIGMENT of imagination? Certainly, not my own God who said, "Prove All Things", and this ofcourse means including Himself.

Get something straight here! I'm not a religious person; but a CHRISTIAN you've never known. Christianity is a way of life. Now, in this walk with Christ, don't assume we walk only by faith (even though faith is important), but know that we also deal with all knowledge known to man. Yes, we don't take anything for granted, but go out there to gather proofs and facts! That's why it is on the TRUTH that I stand!

You think you're more scientist than me? You think you're more logical than me? You think you're more observatory than me? You think you've carried more research than me? If yes to all these questions, then you certainly need to think again.

And guess what? True science agrees with God! Alright great partner, our journey continues......

Do u see how u subtly eluded my questions and kept beating about d bush. I asked u a question, u claim d universe and life cant come about by itself due to d complexity and orderliness they possess. Dat also means God whose complexity is even greater than d universe couldn't have come about by itself. Conversely, if u believe something as complex as God can come about by itself, den u shuld also believe that d universe which is less complex than God can come about by itself unless ur being hypocrytical.

Weah96:


When you see a Rolex watch, the best you can do is claim that it was made by a human being(s). You don't have the authority to say that the human being is Nnamdi Azubike, your former classmate from primary school. I will ask you for proof because you could be telling lies. It's possible that two human beings made the Rolex or even three or four.

That we came from something is evident. You're here to tell me why that something is the Jew from the Bible, and how you acquired your information.

Good! Now you understand that there's nothing like blind luck or chance in what is known as life today. Shows we're making progress.

However, your problem has always been evidence that the Bible God created all things. Bro, it is not as if you asked amiss. You have a right to this evidence if you're to believe in this God who actually wants to be known when He said, "Prove all things".

But as I've been telling you, is it not my aim to prove that the Bible God created all things here, that is entirely another subject on its own. I'm here to prove that yes indeed, the universe and all lives didn't happen by chance!

Do not worry yourself, what you seek will be provided. I'll personally call your attention to it when I'm finished with this very subject we're dealing on. I don't give out half-baked answers to crucial questions, which is why I insist on rounding up this topic first. Cheers...

The Extraordinary Human Mind


Stop and think! Consider all of the works of nature around you—both on Earth and in the heavens.

First, consider the many different kinds of planets, stars and galaxies. Each is its own marvel. Second, consider all the species of plants on Earth today. There are millions, diverse in color, shape, size, beauty, length of life, etc. I have spent much of my life studying and planting many kinds of plants. The brilliance of their various designs and purposes never ceases to amaze me! I am more fascinated with these living plants, than with stars and other objects throughout the heavens.

A side note should be considered at this point. All of the food that exists on Earth today is perfectly designed for either human or animal consumption. It is constructed so that it contains just the right amounts of different elements necessary to sustain various life forms. Every time man tries to alter or improve food, he seems to pollute, ruin, devitalize, inject with poison, genetically re-engineer, or in some manner reduce its perfection into something inferior to what he started with. If mankind could just leave food alone, and eat it as God created it, sickness, disease and every form of nutrition-related human infirmity would disappear.

The germination, growth, development and maturation of plants into the many kinds of food, available just to human beings, represents its own series of miracles far too complex to recount here. It could command its own book just to explore it beyond even the most superficial overview.

But think! Who is more intelligent? God—who made perfect food, or men—who find every possible way to alter and degrade it before consuming it? Take the time to ponder this question.

Third, consider the nearly one million different kinds of creatures (plus the estimated several million additional kinds of insects). Because these creatures are animate, they are even more marvelous and fascinating than is the world of plants. Their diversity in color, shape, size, beauty, length of life, etc., is comparable to plants.

What is the point? As fascinating, marvelous, beautiful and amazing as are all the things described here, surely nothing is as amazing as the HUMAN MIND. It is the absolute pinnacle of all living organisms. None can doubt this.

Okay. I'll be back shortly...

Edybleketara:
Do u see how u subtly eluded my questions and kept beating about d bush. I asked u a question, u claim d universe and life cant come about by itself due to d complexity and orderliness they possess. Dat also means God whose complexity is even greater than d universe couldn't have come about by itself. Conversely, if u believe something as complex as God can come about by itself, den u shuld also believe that d universe which is less complex than God can come about by itself unless ur being hypocrytical.

Brother, there's nothing like subtly eluding your questions or being hypocritical. We're dealing with facts and proofs here, it's a serious issue!

Remember, " Only God has Life inherent in Himself. This is, after all, what makes Him God. No one created God, because He has Life inherent in Himself. But is this God merely some kind of blind power, some kind of dumb “first force?” Let’s reason together. We are still reasoning...

An excerpt from "Mankind's Search For God" published by Jehovah's witnesses.

"If there was no creator, then life must have started spontaneously by chance. For life to have come about, somehow the right chemicals would have had to come together in the right quantities, under the right temperature and pressure and other controlling factors, and all would have had to be maintained for the correct length of time.
Furthermore, for life to have begun and been sustained on earth, these chance events would have had to be repeated thousands of times. But how likely is it for even one such event to take place?

Evolutionist admit that the probability of the right atoms and molecules falling into place to form just one simple protein molecule is 1 in 10^113, or 1 followed by 113 Zeros. That number is larger than the estimated total number of atoms in the universe! Mathematicians dismiss as never taking place anything that has a probability of occurring of less than 1 in 10^50. But far more than one simple protein molecule is needed for life. Some 2000 different proteins are needed just for a cell to maintain its activity, and the chance that all of them will occur at random is 1 in 10^40000!
'If one is not prejudiced either by social beliefs or by a scientific training into the conviction that life originated [spontaneously] on the Earth, this simple calculation wipes the idea entirely out of court," says astronomer Fred Hoyle.

On the other hand, by studying the physical world, from the minute subatomic particles to the vast galaxies, scientists have discovered that all known natural phenomena appear to follow certain basic laws... They have discovered logic and order in everything that is taking place in the universe, and they have been able to express this logic and order in simple mathematical terms.
'Few scientists can fail to be impressed by the almost unreasonable simplicity and elegance of these laws,' writes a professor of physics, Paul Davies, in the magazine New Scientist.

A most intriguing fact about these laws... Is that there are certain factors whose values must be fixed precisely for the universe, as we know it, to exist... For example, Freeman Davies has pointed out that if the force between nucleons were only a few percent stronger, the universe would be devoid of hydrogen. Stars like the sun, not to mention water, could not exist. Life... As we know it, would be impossible. Brandon Carter has shown that very much smaller changes in (newton's universe constant of gravitation) would turn all stars into blue Giants or red dwarfs, with equally dire consequences for life. (Professor) Davies concludes: 'in this case it is conceivable that there might be only one possible universe. If that is so, it is remarkable thought that our own existence as conscious beings is an inescapable consequence of logic'

...if the universe is governed by laws then there must be an intelligent lawmaker who established the laws. Furthermore, since the laws governing the operation of the universe appear to be made in anticipation of life and conditions favorable to its sustenance, purpose is clearly involved. Design and purpose - these are not characteristics of blind chance; that are precisely what an intelligent creator would manifest.

... The brain, the eye, the ear, the hand shows design so intricate that modern science cannot fully explain it... The annual migration of certain birds over thousands of miles of land and sea... Photosynthesis... The development of one fertilized egg into a complex with millions of differentiated cells with specialized functions... Are all... Evidence of intelligent design...

The more we know about the world around us, the more evidence we have for the existence of an intelligent creator, God. Thus, with an open mind we can agree with the psalmist as he acknowledged: 'how many your works are, o Jehovah! All of them in wisdom you have made. The earth is full of your productions' - psalm 104:24 "

The Limits of Your Creative Power

Now think about what mankind has been able to produce. He can build houses, telephones, trains, automobiles, planes, rockets, computers, fax machines and other sophisticated devices that are practically limitless in complexity and usefulness.

However, all this creative genius has a simple limit. No man, or group of men, you and I included, can create anything as marvelous as the human mind. Everything that man creates is inferior to his own mind. Try to think of a single thing that has ever been created by men that is superior to the minds who created it. You will not think of anything.

Here is the question: Who or what created your mind—and you? King David said, “…for I am fearfully and wonderfully made” (Psa. 139:14). Surely this is most true of the human brain. Be honest with yourself. Can you possibly believe that some kind of blind, dumb power or force—of less intelligence than yourself, or of no intelligence—created your mind? Remember, you can create nothing superior to your mind. So, only a greater mind could create your mind.

Do not insult yourself by suggesting that your extraordinary creative powers of intelligence, reason, logic, thought, volition and ingenuity are a product of mere dumb luck!

Alright friends. Time for a short break...... lets hear your comments.

Splinz, splinz, splinz

***Shakes head*

You are really getting my gut.

I asked specifically for evidence relating to creationism WITHOUT any mention of evolution.........and you couldn't manage that! It's typical, really, but kinda disappointing....



Now; here is where I would bullshit all your theories but you know what

I'm gonna let you mention creationism and then show you where all your assertions above.........were wrong.

SirWere:
Splinz, splinz, splinz

***Shakes head*

You are really getting my gut.

I asked specifically for evidence relating to creationism WITHOUT any mention of evolution.........and you couldn't manage that! It's typical, really, but kinda disappointing....



Now; here is where I would bullshit all your theories but you know what

I'm gonna let you mention creationism and then show you where all your assertions above.........were wrong.

Sorry, I don't think you're getting it. In my own school, we have no regard for empty theories. Rather, we deal with FACTS AND PROOFS!

Splinz:



, " Only God has Life inherent in Himself. This is, after all, what makes Him God. No one created God, because He has Life inherent in Himself. ...

All proofs indicate dat its impossible for such God to exist by itself. God is too complex to just come about by itself, same way d universe according to u is too complex to come about by itself.

God exists, he is the creator of all the small gods such as Jehovah, Chuku, Poseidon, etc. But all these small small gods lied to us that they created the universe which their father DOMINO REVERAD actually created.

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