ValentineMary:

That's what the catholic church has popularized for several years. But Let me break it down. Nazareth was founded around 300 AD according to the same wikipedia. Now if Mark was written in about 70 AD, why was Nazareth mentioned in Mark? Do u see a clear contradiction now

Rossikk:
1000% sure. The "New Testament" was written around 70 years after the alleged 'ascension of Jesus'.

Rossikk:

And it was written anonymously. The names "Matthew", ''Luke", "Mark" etc were attached to the various texts, but no such people existed. Theologians will tell you all this stuff for free. Your pastor won't because he has no clue. And if he did, he would keep quiet because he needs your tithe.

Rossikk:
One more thing. There is not a single eyewitness account of 'Jesus' anywhere in the world. Not even in the bible, where the gospel accounts are written in the third person. Thus we have no single account by anyone who wrote "I was with Jesus", or "I spoke to Jesus'', or "I saw Jesus'' etc etc. All accounts are in the third person, as in.."the Lord said to Peter..", or ''Jesus said to Satan on the mountain..''don't tempt me'"... etc..
Don't even bother asking who was there witnessing the discussion between the two, to write down.

The NT texts are the very underpinnings of fiction writing.

Rossikk:
It's obvious you're new to all this. We are familiar with all those quotes you posted, but they've been long discredited, either for fraudulent interpolation, or for lacking contemporaneity with the 'Jesus' character. In other words the references to Jesus must be made by those alive at the same time as he supposedly lived. Any references to him made AFTER his 'life' do not constitute evidence, but hearsay.

otemanuduno:



Funny way to assert that Jesus Christ truly existed in our own world. Now see this story also and tell me if this man didn't exist:

[b] Now there was a time in the period of the reign of Yaradua, that a man called Keandre began to perform miracle. And Keandre cured 2,000,000 people of their blindness in Nigeria. Then did he have two hundred disciples. And Otemanuduno is one of his disciples. Realmindz also is one of his disciples. And Joseff14 is another disciple of Keandre the miracle worker.

Then a time came that the president of the country called Yaradua was about to die. Then Keandre sent to him by the hand of his disciple named Hardmirror, saying, Hardmirror, go now to Aso Rock and lay your hands on Yaradua and cure him. But when Hardmirror got to Ask Rock with Johnydon22, Turai Yaradua did not allow them enter to see the president. And in 2010 the president died.

Also, Keandre has prophesied that Dagrin will die except he comes to the temple to be prayed for. But Dagrin refused and did not pay Keandre a visit. So he had accident and died.

Behold, are all these things not written in the Song of The World by Johnydon22? [/b]


What you just see here is exactly how the bible is written. They add real-life people and happenings to their fictions. The fictional characters you will never find them in any other books except in the books of their co-story writer which they referred you to. But the real-life happening happened for real.


Want more? See this...

Now in the year 2001 did I, Keandre, see a vision. And it was a vision of destruction that there was a bomb blast in Lagos. Now the vision was fulfilled on January 27, 2001 as I have said. The Ikeja Army Cantonment.



If someone writes all these things now, you will laugh because all the things has already happened before you are writing them, but after 2000 years those who read them will believe they actually happened because they will classify the period they are written and the period the things happened into the same category.

You will hear:

Written: Dated 2000AD - 2020AD
Actual Event: Dated 2000AD- 2020AD

WOW! WHAT A GREAT PROPHECY!!!

wonder where I got all these secrets from? THE DOCTUFOS; KNOLIUD 1:1-33
source: https://www.nairaland.com/3067722/mystery-prophecy

Richirich713:


Is it this link?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazareth

If so where in this article does it say the bold.

Rossikk:
Ignorant, semi-literate peabrain. I was wondering how long it would take you to attribute my stance to "the devil" and "demons''. Just another brainwashed, dumb African dissuaded from using her brain. Walking dunce. Just get your nasty, bush self out of this place and go mix with those on your level.

Rossikk:
He's educating you.

Anas09:

otemanuduno:


I do my Meditations every day. How about you, do you skip your meds?

Anas09:

Your meditations shouldn't replace your meds. Take them regularly, the looniness is becoming obvious.

damosky12:



Going by your stance on contemporaneity, then it is rather sad that man must have believed several lies.

It is held that Ptahoteph is the first philosopher, how do we know; historical writings about him by later existing ancient scholars.

It us held that the earliest astronomers, mathematicians and scientists like Thales, Anaximanes, Phythagoras, etc existed based on several historical records dated after their death.


In fact, the golden age scholars of the likes of Socrates, Plato and Aristotle and the works credited to the later two could easily have been forged, basically because there is no eyewitness account of their existence. Then if we are to go by your criterion of contemporaneity, then it is sad that all that human civilization is based on is falsehood.

ValentineMary:

The first non-Christian reference to Nazareth is an inscription on a marble fragment from asynagoguefound inCaesarea Maritimain 1962.[28]This fragment gives the town's name in Hebrewas נצרת (n-ṣ-r-t). The inscription dates to c. AD 300 and chronicles the assignment of priests that took place at some time after theBar Kokhba revolt, AD 132-35.[29](See"Middle Roman to Byzantine Periods" below.) An 8th-century AD Hebrew inscription, which was the earliest known Hebrew reference to Nazareth prior to the discovery of the inscription above, uses thesame form.

ValentineMary:


Now tell me honestly. Did u read all the content on that wikipedia page?

Rossikk:


There is widespread evidence that Aristotle, Plato etc existed. Contemporaneity is established by the fact that Plato was a teacher of Aristotle! Aristotle was his pupil! Aristotle wrote about Plato in the first person. Numerous works published by the two abound everywhere. Aristotle's father, Nicomachus, was the personal physician to King Amyntas of Macedon, Greece. These facts are all in official documents.

With 'Jesus' - nothing outside the new testament confirms his existence. And the new testament was written anonymously. This means the invention of 'Jesus' is shrouded in secrecy. One suspects only a few top guys, like the Pope, and some other silent big guys in the Vatican, know the real truth about this 'Jesus' issue.

otemanuduno:


But you haven't answered me, do you skip your meds?

Anas09:

Am not the Loony one, you are. Talking crazy. Oh shit am talking to a loony

Richirich713:


That doesn't say Nazareth was founded in 300 AD, all it says is "The first non-Christian reference to Nazareth is......" Also that inscription is indirectly saying Nazareth existed prior to 300 AD.

Wikipedia - "A Hebrew inscription found in Caesarea dating to the late 3rd or early 4th century mentions Nazareth as the home of the priestly Hapizzez family after the Bar Kokhba revolt (132–135 AD)."

BTW do u consider all the gospel papyrus dated prior to 300 AD to be inaccurately dated.

If u interested here's Wikipedia on the dates : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categories_of_New_Testament_manuscripts




Honestly no, ignore irrelevant stuff eg - sports, hospitals, economy etc.

But this is what I found :

Wikipedia - "Princeton University archaeologist Jack Finnegan describes additional archaeological evidence related to settlement in the Nazareth basin during the Bronze and Iron Ages, and states that "Nazareth was a strongly Jewish settlement in the Roman period."

"James F. Strange, an American archaeologist, notes: "Nazareth is not mentioned in ancient Jewish sources earlier than the third century CE. This likely reflects its lack of prominence both in Galilee and in Judaea."

"Strange originally calculated the population of Nazareth at the time of Christ as "roughly 1,600 to 2,000 people" but, in a subsequent publication, revised this figure down to "a maximum of about 480."

"In 2009, Israeli archaeologist Yardenna Alexandre excavated archaeological remains in Nazareth that might date to the time of Jesus in the early Roman period. Alexandre told reporters, "The discovery is of the utmost importance since it reveals for the very first time a house from the Jewish village of Nazareth."

"Other sources state that during Jesus' time, Nazareth had a population of 400 and one public bath, which was important for civic and religious purposes"

Richirich713:


That doesn't say Nazareth was founded in 300 AD, all it says is "The first non-Christian reference to Nazareth is......" Also that inscription is indirectly saying Nazareth existed prior to 300 AD.

Wikipedia - "A Hebrew inscription found in Caesarea dating to the late 3rd or early 4th century mentions Nazareth as the home of the priestly Hapizzez family after the Bar Kokhba revolt (132–135 AD)."

BTW do u consider all the gospel papyrus dated prior to 300 AD to be inaccurately dated.

If u interested here's Wikipedia on the dates : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categories_of_New_Testament_manuscripts




Honestly no, ignore irrelevant stuff eg - sports, hospitals, economy etc.

But this is what I found :

Wikipedia - "Princeton University archaeologist Jack Finnegan describes additional archaeological evidence related to settlement in the Nazareth basin during the Bronze and Iron Ages, and states that "Nazareth was a strongly Jewish settlement in the Roman period."

"James F. Strange, an American archaeologist, notes: "Nazareth is not mentioned in ancient Jewish sources earlier than the third century CE. This likely reflects its lack of prominence both in Galilee and in Judaea."

"Strange originally calculated the population of Nazareth at the time of Christ as "roughly 1,600 to 2,000 people" but, in a subsequent publication, revised this figure down to "a maximum of about 480."

"In 2009, Israeli archaeologist Yardenna Alexandre excavated archaeological remains in Nazareth that might date to the time of Jesus in the early Roman period. Alexandre told reporters, "The discovery is of the utmost importance since it reveals for the very first time a house from the Jewish village of Nazareth."

"Other sources state that during Jesus' time, Nazareth had a population of 400 and one public bath, which was important for civic and religious purposes"

ValentineMary:

[s]Nazareth is not mentioned even once in the
entire Old Testament . The Book of Joshua
(19.10,16) – in what it claims is the process of
settlement by the tribe of Zebulon in the area –
records twelve towns and six villages and yet
omits any 'Nazareth' from its list.
• The Talmud, although it names 63 Galilean
towns, knows nothing of Nazareth, nor does
early rabbinic literature.
• St Paul knows nothing of 'Nazareth'. Rabbi
Solly's epistles (real and fake) mention Jesus 221
times, Nazareth not at all.
• No ancient historian or geographer mentions
Nazareth. It is first noted at the beginning of the
4th century.
None of this would matter of course if, rather
like at the nearby 'pagan' city of Sepphoris, we
could stroll through the ruins of 1st century bath
houses, villas, theatres etc. Yet no such ruins
exist.
the whole 'rejection in his
homeland' story requires at a minimum a
synagogue in which the godman can
'blaspheme.' Where was the synagogue in this
tiny bucolic hamlet? Why was it not obvious to
the first pilgrims like Helena – it
would, after all, have been far more pertinent
to her hero than a well? In reality, such a small,
rustic community could never have afforded its
own holy scrolls, let alone a dedicated building
to house them. As peasant farmers almost
certainly they would have been illiterate to a
man.
If JC had grown up and spent thirty years of his
life in a village with as few as 25 families – an
inbred clan of less than 300 people – the
'multitude' that were supposedly shocked by his
blasphemy and would have thrown him from a
cliff, would not have been hostile strangers but,
to a man, would have been relatives and
friends that he had grown up with, including his
own brothers. Presumably, they had heard his
pious utterances for years.
Moreover, if the chosen virgin really had had an
annunciation of messiah-birthing from an angel
the whole clan would have known about it
inside ten minutes. Just to remind them, surely
they should also have known of the 'Jerusalem
incident' (Luke 2.42-49) when supposedly the
12-year-old proclaimed his messiahship?

But why is the bible the only book that talks on Nazareth ? because I know the romans were good in keeping record[/s]

ValentineMary:


"Jesus did exist but his story is mixed with many legends. The authors of the gospel were anonymous and [size=15pt]it was wtitten hundreds of years after Jesus died[/size]. But there are no records of his existence though , no records of the earthquake they claimed happened at his death, no Nazareth until about 300AD, etc. So the gospel was just a made up story."

ValentineMary:


"That's what the catholic church has popularized for several years. But Let me break it down. Nazareth was [size=15pt]founded around 300 AD[/size] according to the same wikipedia. Now if Mark was written in about 70 AD, why was Nazareth mentioned in Mark? Do u see a clear contradiction now."

ValentineMary:

[i] This is a link to a [size=16pt]document written around 93 AD[/size] about Jesus. There was nomention of Nazareth

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus

Richirich713:


U know u can just be honest and say u were mistaken instead all of this.

This is what u originally said :



Then u said this :



So again where did wikipedia say that? That Nazareth was founded around 300 AD.

ValentineMary:

AsI said earlier, did u actually ready the link?

It states that the only non biblical ref to Nazareth was around 300AD. And I doubt the stories of early.xtians a lot because of pious fraud. I ask again why did no other material make mention of Nazareth? if u say it was a small town, there is also a smaller town in Judea at that time that was mentioned.

ValentineMary:


Moreover I shared u a link to Josepath statement of Jesis written 92-93 AD. And there was no mention of Nazareth. And only 1 book talks on Nazareth before 300AD and u are willing to silence the world and listen to one book?

Richirich713:


The first words on that link u just gave me :

"The extant manuscripts of the writings of the 1st-century Romano-Jewish historian Flavius Josephus include references to Jesus and the origins of Christianity.[1][2] Josephus' Antiquities of the Jews, written around 93–94 AD (nearly 25 years after the [size=16pt]first known Gospel, Mark, dated around 70 AD)[/size]

So when dating methods is applied to Josephus documents it's accurate but when the same dating methods is applied to gospel manuscripts, it's not accurate.

Anas09:

Stop skipping your meds man.

ValentineMary:

The gospel is very controversial because when actually analyed, we would see that the writters were just attributed those books. That's why u see "According to Mark" and not "written by mark"

maybe this link would give more insight on the church fraud

https://thechurchoftruth.org/synoptic-gospels-not-writen-by-matt-mark-luke-or-john/

realmindz:

he made super sense...




Once upon a time, a man came up and said the earth was round. Wow! he was thought to ve lost his senses completely when the whole world believed for sure that the earth was flat....
The people cud no longer take his madness and anti - religious beliefs until he was executed

Anas09:

So, you and your friend should go on worshipping your Aliens abeg, make I hear something.

realmindz:

do u know who u worship?
Everything u believe about ur religion is a result of your environment and beliefs indoctrinated, then those thoughts, ideas and beliefs begin to manifest as images in your head and dreams.
wen u pray u visualise white bearded Jew in white garments looking compassionately at u...That's a way to keep u deluded and enslaved till death by the white man.


if I tell u to visualise a black man as your messiah, wud u? u see my little chick, u are finished technically..



I knw I make no sense to u, bt I dnt expect u to comprehend dis, coming out of the delusion of religion is the most difficult task ever.

Anas09:
Sorry I didn't read what you typed.

Anas09:
Sorry I didn't read what you typed.