kikuyu1:


They'd be perfect in the DRC and urban areas. IDK if they're used down South. What about your guys fighting the Naxalites in the jungle? In all the THOUSANDS OF tacti/cool/fail pix here I haven't seen a single combat shotty-not even the dreaded BIR!?
But wait,I know of one specops guy here using an M4 over and under with a 5 rd shotgun.

the guys fighting the naxalites r poorly equipped, only some years ago they started getting assault rifle with UBGs

u know the usual story human rights of terrorists matters more to some , so shot guns ( pump action ) r not used

india is fuuucked up with useless politicians , presstitudes , humanists , libtards etc

if they get to see a naxal dead with buck shot , they will raise Cain.

anyways if planning to use shot guns in combat IMO the automatic versions would be more useful.

eg. USAS-12 automatic shotgun or Saiga-12 (u mentioned it already) or Franchi SPAS-15 (semi automatic) or Vepr-12

M26 Modular Accessory Shotgun System (MASS)
it is a under-barrel shotgun attachment for the M16/M4 f firearms.
It can also be fitted with a pistol grip and collapsible stock to act as a stand-alone weapon.

@kikuyu1

nemesis2uagain:
arjun mk 2

67 of the 73 tank fittable improvements meant for arjun mk2 has been declared successful. The total number of improvements envisioned is 84. Out of which 73 are tank fittable .

I can see Indian manufacturers are playing with the big boys! IIRC the leopard 2a7 can be be fitted with with 120mm or 138 mm main gun ,the Chinese type 98 has been testing a 140 mm while the 125 mm armed Armata will soon have a massive 152 mm gun capable of penetrating almost a metre of armour.

Any such plans for the Arjun?

nemesis2u:


missed this question of urs due to username ban.

MI35 and MI28 r 2 different purpose helicopters.

MI35 is a transport cum attack helicopter, which means
1.it can carry troops
2.it can perform attack roles

but the million dollar question would be,
can it do both concurrently without serious performance lose in either of the 2 capabilities ?

eg. if it is outfitted with full weapons load for attack missions, will it be able perform optimally with its full troop load ? or if it caries it full troop load will it hamper its attack capabilities with degradation in speed , range , rate of climb , agility and maneuverability etc ?

IMO the answer is utility of MI35 is dictated by its mission profile

situation one

NAF needs to destroy a BH base , but it can spare 1 M35 only , therefor SF troops r roped in to lead the assault complemented by the MI35.

so from a major base inland, a MI35 fitted with extra fuel tanks and ammo / fuel / support crew flies to the staging base . it now removes its fuel tanks tops up the normal ones from its transported supplies , arms up fully , gets its detachment of troops on board and proceeds towards target area.

near target area , it off loads its complement of troops, and flies off to reconnoiter its target area , radios in enemy position if required. SF troops move in for assult while 2 of them seek higher grounds to direct the MI35 assault over radio and acts as FAC.

since the MI35 is freed up of its troop complement, it regains it optimal attack characteristics. mean time ground assault begins and the MI35 initiates attack as directed by the FAC (forward air controllers)

important take away
it can do the job of 2,
one after the other for the best results and best utilization of the MI35 advantages / features.
ie. transport the troops to destination and off load them and then without its additional weight to bog it down , it performs its attack role with best results as its flight envelope expands considerably. (or vice versa)
in its attack configuration with zero cargo loadout its performance will be around 80% of a dedicated attack helicopter. a good pilot will be able to close this gap a little more. again combination of optimal operational altitude , temperature , speed , tactics , maneuvers etc will further close the gap further.
this difference is due to unique air frame design / rotor / engine / wings etc combination which gives the M35 its advantage for use as a transporter or a attack helicopter or both . simply stated it is not optimized for a specific role like a dedicated attack is optimized for attack role or a transport helicopter is optimized for transport.

it is very difficult to go into each and every specifics, out of my scope , so i am giving a totally generalized idea.


situation two

1 MI35 lightly armed with 2 rocket pods and its gun is tasked to transport troops from point A to point B , en route it comes under fire ,with radio calls rom HQ asking to eliminate target on priory basis or loose them for ever. the MI 35 with its troop load evades and then engages in combat maneuvers within the limitations imposed by its addition weight to hit the targets , the heavy armor saves the troops inside from small arms fire , while the MI35 hampered with its troop complements, gets it nose down by 8 degree and uses its wings to gain speed to make running fire passes to hit its targets and pull away with less than preferred tight turns (due to additional weight penalty).

after everything is over , the troops inside r totally wasted from heli sickness and swear that they will never take a helicopter ride ever again.

important take away
compared to conventional transport helicopter, MI 35 provides advantage of safety to its troop complement and good acceleration and adequate flight characteristics to engage and suppress threats for defensive and curtailed offensive action, provided there is a optimal balance between the cargo load out and troop load out.
(plz note its combat capabilities while in transport mode will not be up to the level of a dedicated attack helicopter but will hover anywhere from 40-70 % , which again will be determined by its combination of cargo/weapons loadout, full troop complement + full weapons load will lead to worse performance ) incase somebody forgets : compared to MI35, a dedicated attack helicopters carries zero troops/cargo (1 or 2 helis r exception as they have stowage compartment for downed crew.)



MI 28 can hover without penalty, but MI 24 suffers from unstable hovering due to rotor downwash on the wings- a necessary trade off for increased speed and additional lift ( by the way MI24/35 have awesome speed ) . the problem was mitigated to some extent by newer powerful engines in the MI35 but still hovering places additional burden on the engines as the wings disrupts the ground effect leading to higher power demand from the engine to maintain hover.so hovering is possible but it is advised not to go for it unless in emergency.additionally it reduces engine life.

in real life MI35 operate in pairs or multiples of pairs.

in short i tried to give 2 hypothetical examples in order to highlight MI35 advantages / disadvantages according to mission profile


note : this is my Opinion , so plz use ur discretion

The bolded is why Spets uses it as a DAP,Direct Action Penetrator in such situations. Its ofc much heavier armoured than the US version,the MH 60L.

I've been doing some reading on these Moros and GODDAMMIT,Sikhs,Gurlhas and Fijians COMBINED have nothing on these mofos!!

The origin of the word “amok” is actually Malay. The term entered the English language as an idiom when English traders encountered the strange practice of “running amok” among the Muslim peoples of Malaysia, Indonesia, and the southern Philippine Islands.'

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Some scholars consider the origin of this strange and deadly practice to lie in the Islamic prohibition against suicide. When “dishonored” a Muslim man could regain his honor (manhood!) by going amok, and dying with sword in hand; forcing others to kill him and thus accomplish his suicide.

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he juramentado would prepare for his mission by having his TESTICLES TIED OFF WITH COPPER WIRE! In a state of intense agony, the juramentado would spend the night working himself into a killing frenzy. By the next day, the juramentado would be in such agony; in such an altered state of consciousness, that his mind would no longer register additional external pain. The juramentado would be led to where his target was expected (usually in public places). Just before being unleashed against the victim, his arms and legs were tied with occluding ligatures; reducing blood loss from expected wounds to these extremities.

https://deadliestblogpage./2012/03/08/moro-juramentado-suicidal-assassin-of-the-philippines/

No wonder pump actions and the .45 were invented!

Baaaad mofos!
[img]https://deadliestblogpage.files./2012/03/73056974_s320x240.jpg?w=640&h=480[/img]

Blood feuds known as rido are a major cause of death among males.

According to the studies, during 2002–2004, 50% (637 cases) of total rido incidences occurred, equaling about 127 new rido cases per year. Out of the total number of rido cases documented, 64% remain unresolved

http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Feud

In 2007, Carlos H. Conde wrote in the New York Times, “Clan violence has contributed greatly to bloodshed in the southern Philippines, with government forces and Islamic separatists often drawn into the violence unnecessarily, complicating the decade-long search for peace there, a new study shows.

http://factsanddetails.com/southeast-asia/Philippines/sub5_6c/entry-3874.html#chapter-10
I still remember a Senator in those parts who had media problems. He didn't bribe,threaten them or their organisation heads-HE KILLED THEM ALL,ALL 58 IN 2009!!
[img]http://www.asianews.it/files/img/FILIPPINE_-_massacro_maguindanao.jpg[/img]
Btw,his clan was typical in that they were suspected of another 200 murders!

Moro weapons are artistic but utilitarian allowing their Moro users to run amok in style and hack,cut,slash and thrust at will.











Tbh,I find it fascinating! I truly wish we had some forumers from those parts.

nemesis2u:


i am having a hard time since yesterday at work

so i will keep it short.

one of the main reasons for bulging (dimple ? seriously ) is-

the ships hull is made of a crisscrossing of traverse and longitudinal framing, which makes up the grid like skeleton on which naval grade steel plates r wielding on.

the outside surface of the plates gets heated up while the inner side remains colder (ships interiors have air conditioners / NBC atmospheric control) or vice versa interior warmer, exterior colder depending on the regions /climate the ship is in.

so any portion of the plate not supported by the frames bulges inwards or outwards as the case maybe due to temperature difference , when this happens , the plates shape changes and collectively gives a unfinished / shoddy look.


all ships of all nations exhibit the same effect , the thing is the photo must be shot close or with the appropriate light/shade condition to reveal the distortions.

Okay ma frend and yeah "dimple" is a good word to explain the inward buldge.
You're a very resourceful guy...

Gentlemen let us dedicate page 155 to 155mm howitzers!


1. T-5 truck mounted howitzer!


It can be used like the WW2 German 88mm gun in it's direct fire mode.

Maximum range is 54km+ with Velocity Enhanced Artillery Projectile (VLAP) rounds. These type of rounds have been said to lack the effectiveness on target of conventional or normal HE rounds as the rocket motor and the base bleed unit take up space for the warhead.

But the HE PFF version of the round in the Assegai series negate that as it carries thousands of tungsten pellets.
The pellets increase the fragments of the rounds on target making the round's fragmentation more effective than normal HE rounds as proven in the G7 trials.

Fuzes again increase the effectiveness of the howitzer's rounds. After shelling some air field wasn't used for a while as shells were still going off hours after the shelling.

The towed version of the howitzer(45 calibre) disabled tanks in combat. Imagine a direct hit on a tank from this thing!!!!!!!!

G5-45 towed version.

In it's self propelled mode it can reach speeds of around 4k/m and around 16k/m on roads.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzxMmuEGfYc&itct=CBYQpDAYACITCMH-irDhtNMCFQO-VQodaRgP6FIPRzUgaG93aXR6ZXIgQUFE&gl=ZA&hl=en&client=mv-google

Pair of J-20s flying in formation

MikeCZA:
Gentlemen let us dedicate page 155 to 155mm howitzers!

After shelling some air field wasn't used for a while as shells were still going off hours after the shelling.

cargo rounds/sub-munitions ?

test fire of land attack version of brahmos cruise missile from ship.

Archer truck mounted howitzer.

The gun it's self similar to the T5-52 is based on an earlier towed version(the FH77 L39). Ofcourse it's 155mm.

Able it reach ranges around 60km with certain rounds.

After the Pzh-2000 this one of the most good looking weapon system in service.

Jf-17B

jakeporeshenko:
Pair of J-20s flying in formation

Any organization trying to design fighter aircraft engines outside France, Russia, UK and the USA will have a tough time.

nemesis2u:
test fire of land attack version of brahmos cruise missile from ship.

US official: With eye on North Korea, China puts bombers on 'high alert'
What is your take?

nemesis2uagain:


can u give some pointers to the same regarding SU 30 MKI systems which r less capable than those on Super Tucano.

also i want to stress , i am not asking this question becz i am offended or something about what u said regarding SU30MKI, becz i am not.

actually i am interested to know which said systems r deficient, from purely a technical view / interest

SU 30MKI has to use a well known targeting pod which has not been upgraded in many years.

Super Tucano has three different but very accurate ways to deliver ordnance to ground targets; CCIP, Elbit supplied FLIR and other EO based targeting systems and a new type of ground targeting radar. Everything linked to helmet. With CCIP even tossing a dumb bomb will be very accurate.
I hope Nigeria is buying the ground looking radar with their Super Tucanoes

Finding small ground targets is an expensive, time consuming chore for SU MKI but routine work for Super Tucano. Big powerful aircraft with heavy weapon loads are useless against insurgents.

The Giant Cannon Is the Bigfoot of Modern Tank Design

Adminisher:


SU 30MKI has to use a well known targeting pod which has not been upgraded in many years.

Super Tucano has three different but very accurate ways to deliver ordnance to ground targets; CCIP, Elbit supplied FLIR and other EO based targeting systems and a new type of ground targeting radar. Everything linked to helmet. With CCIP even tossing a dumb bomb will be very accurate.
I hope Nigeria is buying the ground looking radar with their Super Tucanoes

Finding small ground targets is an expensive, time consuming chore for SU MKI but routine work for Super Tucano. Big powerful aircraft with heavy weapon loads are useless against insurgents.

are you talking about french Thales damocles targetting pod on sukhoi 30 mkm, mka ?? you cant compare sukhoi 30 with turbo pop tucano they dont play in the same league . without talking about radar capacity difference, roles ect ...

tucano for COIN yes but if insurgents get some manpads , AAA with its low speed low fly is exposed it to ground fires and will be useless !

+ the speed : for close air support to troops in contact the tucano is slowest when The fast jet can move from contact to contact at a high cruise or with after burners reducing reaction times and enabling a large area to be covered with a single aircraft. Because the fast jet is so versatile, it can carry out other missions while still being able to provide reactive CAS

+ the Su-30M has 12 hardpoints for external payloads up to 8,000kg + can be refueled in the air , super tucano 1500 kg and when he throw his payload he have to return to air base (speed) .

+ cost for super tucano United States recently paid around $21 million per plane to supply them to the Afghan air force. and its wasnt the last best version with all last modern systems you re talking about , not as cheap that it look , when a sukhoi 30 is around 40 million can do better all what can do a tucano . and do other roles (air supremacy , heavy bombing ect ... ) .

+ psychological side for insurgent and other armies , when a sukhoi 30 jet pass above insurgent head , its not the same like a turbo prop tucano

+ nigeria will never get the last modern version , they will give you the same version then other african countries burkina , maritania ect ... and for task you r talking about low slow fly targetting small groups for me attack helicopters mi 28 , appach , mi 24 ect .... are better choice .

Adminisher:


SU 30MKI has to use a well known targeting pod which has not been upgraded in many years.

Super Tucano has three different but very accurate ways to deliver ordnance to ground targets; CCIP, Elbit supplied FLIR and other EO based targeting systems and a new type of ground targeting radar. Everything linked to helmet. With CCIP even tossing a dumb bomb will be very accurate.
I hope Nigeria is buying the ground looking radar with their Super Tucanoes

Finding small ground targets is an expensive, time consuming chore for SU MKI but routine work for Super Tucano. Big powerful aircraft with heavy weapon loads are useless against insurgents.

i was kind of worried, but now i am not.

but i very much appreciate the fact that u replied, many would have not.


SU 30MKI uses LITENING G4 which is a potent system. it is a multi-function add on system which can be upgraded to newer versions. each LITENING G4 pod costs more than 3 million dollars which is almost the 1/4th the cost of a SUPER TUCANO(2011 price).

there can never be any comparison between the targeting systems of SU30MKI and SUPER TUCANO because of many factors, one major factor being - POWER.

let me give u a analogy ,

u have a 50cc bike

i have a 1000cc bike

both u and i attach say hypothetically, a 50000 watt bulb to the respective bikes engine.

which bike engines do u think will have the juice to light up the bulb ?

the more powerful the targeting pod is, it will need the corresponding utilization of more powerful thermal management systems (cooling systems) which in turn necessitates a high power supply from the aircraft engines.

so a single turboprop engine aircraft like tucano will not have the juice to operate a powerful targeting pod like those found in jet powered aircraft's.

same goes for the data processors etc

i hope u know what CCIP stand for, it is constantly computed impact point.
CCIP is basically the ballistics calculation done by onboard systems to predict the impact point of a released A to G weapon.( usually dumb bombs/rockets )

nothing extra ordinary about it , most legacy aircrafts have this, forget about 4 gen aircrafts. it is more sophisticated in supersonic fighter/bombers.
also CCIP is linked to HUD not HMD/HMS.

do u know that SU30MKI is a MINI AWACS by itself.

and more over the LITENING G4 pod is capable of doing the same job as being envisaged by the proposed side looking airborne radar in SUPER TUCANO. actually SLAR will help in detection / location of targets only ( with added advantage of the various modes), while LITENING G4 pod will help in detection / location and targeting of targets.



"Finding small ground targets is an expensive, time consuming chore for SU MKI"

no it is not,
provided u play with the right tactics , use helicopters/ FAC (forward air controllers)/UAVs to locate the elusive targets in conjunction with the SU30MKI.

i agree with u only with the expensive part.

"Big powerful aircraft with heavy weapon loads are useless against insurgents."
no it is not ,
provided u play with the right tactics.tailor ur weapons load to meet the target profile, engage in effects based operations and ur set to bomb the crap out of terrorists.

all aside
for its intended role SUPER TUCANO is a very capable and well equipped aircraft , no second thoughts on that , at least not from me.


this is my opinion , so i leave u to analyze it as u deem fit.

danke

MikeCZA:
Archer truck mounted howitzer.

The gun it's self similar to the T5-52 is based on an earlier towed version(the FH77 L39). Ofcourse it's 155mm.

Able it reach ranges around 60km with certain rounds.

After the Pzh-2000 this one of the most good looking weapon system in service.

and the quickest to fire its rounds

tdayof:
US official: With eye on North Korea, China puts bombers on 'high alert'
What is your take?

to tell the truth , i have no info, only the open source news which u too r familiar with.

just let me add this NK is at logger heads with china last few years.

so i have a feeling that the only reason the Chinese r in the game , is to deny the US the foot hold in NK. (same for russia)

another very important reason is NK and china both r security states, if one comes tumbling down, the other will follow suit , the CCP is very worried nowadays.

and a minor reason is to stop the skeletons will tumbling out of the closet, as NK was always the fall guy for Chinese nuclear/missile proliferation's among others etc

tdayof:


Is igirigi serving it's purpose effectively? yes

actually a high ranking officer told me igirigi suffers from mobility problems in certain terrains due to its weight.sinks into the ground

this was told to me 1 and 1/2 years - 2 years ago, dont know the present assessment.

nemesis2u:


actually a high ranking officer told me igirigi suffers from mobility problems in certain terrains due to its weight.sinks into the ground

this was told to me 1 and 1/2 years - 2 years ago, dont know the present assessment.

Good. There should be an improvement now. The igirigi is our first.

We keep learning everyday. Proforce is doing better as a professional when compared to igirigi manufacturers.

kikuyu1:

I can see Indian manufacturers are playing with the big boys! IIRC the leopard 2a7 can be be fitted with with 120mm or 138 mm main gun ,the Chinese type 98 has been testing a 140 mm while the 125 mm armed Armata will soon have a massive 152 mm gun capable of penetrating almost a metre of armour.

Any such plans for the Arjun?

not for arjun it will have 120mm rifled gun or later 125mm smoothbore gun (commonality purpose) ,

for the future, identification for project definition/requirements has been going on for FMBT (future main battle tank) for sometime

lets see , what sort of specs they come up with for the FMBT.

chkil0:


are you talking about french Thales damocles targetting pod on sukhoi 30 mkm, mka ?? you cant compare sukhoi 30 with turbo pop tucano they dont play in the same league . without talking about radar capacity difference, roles ect ...

tucano for COIN yes but if insurgents get some manpads , AAA with its low speed low fly is exposed it to ground fires and will be useless !

+ the speed : for close air support to troops in contact the tucano is slowest when The fast jet can move from contact to contact at a high cruise or with after burners reducing reaction times and enabling a large area to be covered with a single aircraft. Because the fast jet is so versatile, it can carry out other missions while still being able to provide reactive CAS

+ the Su-30M has 12 hardpoints for external payloads up to 8,000kg + can be refueled in the air , super tucano 1500 kg and when he throw his payload he have to return to air base (speed) .

+ cost for super tucano United States recently paid around $21 million per plane to supply them to the Afghan air force. and its wasnt the last best version with all last modern systems you re talking about , not as cheap that it look , when a sukhoi 30 is around 40 million can do better all what can do a tucano . and do other roles (air supremacy , heavy bombing ect ... ) .

+ psychological side for insurgent and other armies , when a sukhoi 30 jet pass above insurgent head , its not the same like a turbo prop tucano

+ nigeria will never get the last modern version , they will give you the same version then other african countries burkina , maritania ect ... and for task you r talking about low slow fly targetting small groups for me attack helicopters mi 28 , appach , mi 24 ect .... are better choice .

almost forgot that u guys have the damocles targeting pods for ur SU30

by the way what pods do u use for EW (jamming) ?

copy paste

In November last year, the Indian government, after years in suspense, concluded a deal with the BAE Systems-Mahindra partnership to build M777 ultra-light guns in India. On Friday, another Indian private sector giant L&T formally entered into a partnership with South Korea’s Hanwha Techwin for India’s second big gun deal. The deal has already created its share of buzz for what is being seen as a record of sorts.

A partnership signing ceremony here today between L&T and South Korean Hanwha Techwin for executing the programme set the stage for the inking of the Rs 4,600 crore (710.86m USD) contract with the Ministry of Defence which is expected next week. The Cabinet Committee on Security has already approved this deal. The 155 mm, 52 calibre guns will be supplied by L&T, with Hanwha Techwin as the technology partner. All 100 guns will be supplied in under 42 months from the signing of the contract.

The deal envisages 50 per cent indigenous content. “(Of the 100 guns) 90 will be assembled in India. The first lot of 10 will be built in Korea with 80-to-90 per cent Korean content,” disclosed Hanwha Techwin CEO Shin Hyun-Woo at Friday’s signing ceremony with L&T. The final assembly of the first lot will be at L&T’s Strategic Systems Complex at Talegaon near Pune in Maharashtra. India’s largest private sector defence and aerospace company will produce and assemble the remaining 90 at a greenfield manufacturing line at Hazira in Gujarat which will also have a state-of-the-art test track and facilities to test and qualify the K9 VAJRA-T guns.

“We hope to deliver the first gun this financial year,” announced Jayant Patil, L&T’s head of Defence and Aerospace. His confidence stems from the “co-development” of a prototype for field trials within 18 months of the RFP being floated.This has set new deadline benchmarks for fielding a prototype with foreign assistance to meet Indian GSQRs, claimed Patil. “This programme shows the way forward. Two years is enough time to develop a weapon system,” he said. “There were 13 Indian systems in this prototype,” said Patil. The VAJRA-T is a variant of the highly successful K9 Thunder modified for Indian conditions. One thousand K9 Thunder guns have already been sold thus far.

Significantly, the most critical parts of the gun – the barrel and breach – will be imported. “It’s not viable to produce the barrels in India for an order of just 100 guns. We can make this happen in larger programmes like towed guns,” said Patil, claiming that a capability to produce nuclear-grade steel makes barrel production for artillery guns a distinct possibility for L&T.

The L&T-produced indigenous systems on the gun will include the fire control system, hull, turret, electronics, NBC systems, auto loaders, air conditioning and direct fire systems. The VAJRA-T was declared the sole qualified gun after user evaluation trials at Pokhran. The Russian competitor could not meet the requirements. Among the 13 Indian systems on the winning prototype was a fire control system to cater to a huge mix of Indian ammunition.

nemesis2u:


almost forgot that u guys have the damocles targeting pods for ur SU30

by the way what pods do u use for EW (jamming) ?

KNIRTI SAP-518 wingtip jamming pod and also the SAP14 jamming pod

chkil0:



KNIRTI SAP-518 wingtip jamming pod

thanks

and for the KH31P what cueing pod do u guys use ?


do u guys also use the KNIRTI SAP 14 jamming pod for centerline fitment.?

nemesis2u:


thanks

and for the KH31P what cueing pod do u guys use ?


do u guys also use the KNIRTI SAP 14 jamming pod for centerline fitment.?

yes they get also SAP 14 with it but never seen a pic of it on algerian sukhoi 30 MKA .

for KH31P , i dont understand the question , a pod ?

from wiki , KH31P with passive seeker head for use as an anti-radiation missile. Stays at high altitude throughout its flight, allowing higher speeds and increasing range to 110 km (60 nmi; 70 mi). The seeker has three interchangeable modules to cover different radar frequency bands

chkil0:


yes they get also SAP 14 with it but never seen a pic of it on algerian sukhoi 30 MKA .

for KH31P , i dont understand the question , a pod ?

from wiki , KH31P with passive seeker head for use as an anti-radiation missile. Stays at high altitude throughout its flight, allowing higher speeds and increasing range to 110 km (60 nmi; 70 mi). The seeker has three interchangeable modules to cover different radar frequency bands

yes

u need a high accuracy direction finding pod , to detect emitters and localize them.

otherwise a KH31P fired from a stand off distance will not be able to get close enough to its EM emitting targets , to allow its nose mounted passive seeker get a positive lock for a kill.

the passive seekers range is very limited , anywhere between 10-20 kms

without using a cueing pod , KH31P has a good chance of getting lost/missing its targets or get seduced by decoy emitters.

@chkil0

Russians use this SAP51A pod

nemesis2u:
copy paste

In November last year, the Indian government, after years in suspense, concluded a deal with the BAE Systems-Mahindra partnership to build M777 ultra-light guns in India. On Friday, another Indian private sector giant L&T formally entered into a partnership with South Korea’s Hanwha Techwin for India’s second big gun deal. The deal has already created its share of buzz for what is being seen as a record of sorts.

A partnership signing ceremony here today between L&T and South Korean Hanwha Techwin for executing the programme set the stage for the inking of the Rs 4,600 crore (710.86m USD) contract with the Ministry of Defence which is expected next week. The Cabinet Committee on Security has already approved this deal. The 155 mm, 52 calibre guns will be supplied by L&T, with Hanwha Techwin as the technology partner. All 100 guns will be supplied in under 42 months from the signing of the contract.

The deal envisages 50 per cent indigenous content. “(Of the 100 guns) 90 will be assembled in India. The first lot of 10 will be built in Korea with 80-to-90 per cent Korean content,” disclosed Hanwha Techwin CEO Shin Hyun-Woo at Friday’s signing ceremony with L&T. The final assembly of the first lot will be at L&T’s Strategic Systems Complex at Talegaon near Pune in Maharashtra. India’s largest private sector defence and aerospace company will produce and assemble the remaining 90 at a greenfield manufacturing line at Hazira in Gujarat which will also have a state-of-the-art test track and facilities to test and qualify the K9 VAJRA-T guns.

“We hope to deliver the first gun this financial year,” announced Jayant Patil, L&T’s head of Defence and Aerospace. His confidence stems from the “co-development” of a prototype for field trials within 18 months of the RFP being floated.This has set new deadline benchmarks for fielding a prototype with foreign assistance to meet Indian GSQRs, claimed Patil. “This programme shows the way forward. Two years is enough time to develop a weapon system,” he said. “There were 13 Indian systems in this prototype,” said Patil. The VAJRA-T is a variant of the highly successful K9 Thunder modified for Indian conditions. One thousand K9 Thunder guns have already been sold thus far.

Significantly, the most critical parts of the gun – the barrel and breach – will be imported. “It’s not viable to produce the barrels in India for an order of just 100 guns. We can make this happen in larger programmes like towed guns,” said Patil, claiming that a capability to produce nuclear-grade steel makes barrel production for artillery guns a distinct possibility for L&T.

The L&T-produced indigenous systems on the gun will include the fire control system, hull, turret, electronics, NBC systems, auto loaders, air conditioning and direct fire systems. The VAJRA-T was declared the sole qualified gun after user evaluation trials at Pokhran. The Russian competitor could not meet the requirements. Among the 13 Indian systems on the winning prototype was a fire control system to cater to a huge mix of Indian ammunition.

Let us hope India's possible opponents don't in the near future invest in extended range base bleed and base bleed and rocket motor projectiles, newer counter-battery radars and other targeting systems e.g UAVs and datalinks.

Cause the India might have to invest heavily in EW and targeting systems.


And Oh I'm mad the Pzh-2000 wasn't trailed.