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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 6:05pm On Apr 25, 2017
jakeporeshenko:
Afghan Air Force ?

yeah ,

the MI35 include 4 donated by india, these come with israeli and indian upgrades,

india is looking to transfer 4 more but russia is objecting to it due to it recent policy shift to support taliban (as proxy against US)

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 6:27pm On Apr 25, 2017
nemesis2u:


yeah ,

the MI35 include 4 donated by india, these come with israeli and indian upgrades,

india is looking to transfer 4 more but russia is objecting to it due to it recent policy shift to support taliban (as proxy against US)
What does India stand I gain from supporting/strengthening the ANA ?
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 6:41pm On Apr 25, 2017
jakeporeshenko:

What does India stand I gain from supporting/strengthening the ANA ?

chanakya the ancient guru of statecraft had wrote that "ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS MY FRIEND" grin

terrorism is the biggest issue here , drugs + terrorism from both taliban ruled afghan and *********** will harm india in a big way (and the world wink ).

plus Afghanistan after soviet withdrawal was kept on the boil becz the country on the east want it assimilated into it or at the least subservient to it, inorder to gain strategic depth.

that country in question is only 700km in depth , a over whelming armor thrust into the said country will cut it into 2, plus its airfields r not safe due to lack of strategic depth , last 2 war its aircraft's were withdrawn to Afghanistan to keep them from being destroyed (and some to iran).

other reasons r economic and geo-political


pic 1 indian built SALMA dam (June 4, 2016 the Salma Dam was renamed as the Afghan-India Friendship Dam.) implemented by India’s state-owned Water & Power Consultancy Servicxe India Ltd (WAPCOS) to provide electricity to afghans something which the Americans could not do grin

India’s state-owned Power Grid Corp also successfully completed a four-year effort in 2011 to build a 202km-long transmission line from Pul-e-Khumri near the Salang Pass on the Hindu Kush mountain range to bring electricity to power-starved Kabul after another 462km-long transmission line was built from the Uzbekistan-Afghanistan border to Kabul.

Much of this fell in the ‘snow zone’ at heights reaching up to 3,800 metres ASL. As many as 613 towers have been erected, and these were designed in India to withstand inclement weather.

P****** had refused the use of its territory for transporting these towers which then had to be sent via Iran. Also, heavy-turbine equipment was moved in what was among the largest Indian airlift operations to Kabul.

In March 2013 the LeT tried in vain to try to blow up the under-construction Salma Dam with 1,300kg of explosives, plus attacks on Indian embassy and consulates increased 10 fold

Until this, the city was running on a single gas-turbine and some 25 heavy-duty diesel generators for which the US was providing $100 million of fuel per annum. Kabul had long power-cuts and matters became worse during winter. With the commissioning of the transmission line and the Chimtala sub-station near Kabul, there is now 120mWe available, which is enough for Kabul.

There is now excess power and the Afghanistan government wants India to help start an industrial estate near Kabul.

Also in 2010, Indian water resources management experts were contracted by Afghanistan to draw up feasibility studies and detailed engineering project viability analysis of 12 hydro-power projects with capacity to generate 1,177mWe to be built on the Kabul River. Once the 12 projects get completed, they will store 4.7 million acre-feet (MAF) of water, thereby squeezing the river’s water-flow that reaches P******. grin

After completing the tendering processes, Kabul will initiate construction of the 12 dams with the help of the World Bank (WB), which will provide $7.079 billion as funds.

pic 2 chah bahar project to provide relief to land lock country from economical blackmail and road infra development something which the Americans could not do grin

in 2003, India signed a tripartite agreement with Iran and Afghanistan for preferential trade practices that would eventually ply through Iran’s Chah Bahar FTIZ and in 2013, committed US$100 million for Chah Bahar port’s development.

On January 22, 2009 India handed over to Afghanistan the strategic Delaram-Zaranj highway (Route 606 AH-71) on the main Herat-Kandahar highway. Built at a cost of Rs.600 crore ($135 million), the 215km-long highway was handed over by India’s then External Affairs Minister.

A total of six Indians, including a BRO driver and four ITBP soldiers, and 129 Afghans were killed in attacks during the highway’s construction.


Besides the highway, India had by then also constructed 58km of inner city roads in Afghanistan. The project was initially estimated to cost Rs.740 crore but the BRO completed it for Rs.600 crore and six months ahead of schedule and in three years with the help of 339 engineers. Due to construction of this black-top road, the journey between Delaram and Zaranj was reduced substantially from 14 hours to 2 hours.

This highway also established direct road access to four of the major cities of Afghanistan—Herat, Kandahar, Kabul, and Mazar-e-Sharif. On its part Iran has since built a new transit route to connect its city of Milak to Zaranj in Afghanistan, and has also completed an important bridge over the Helmand River. These road-building projects in Iran and Afghanistan have shortened the transit distance between Chah Bahar and Delaram by 600km, thereby giving Afghanistan-origin exportable commodities/goods duty-free access to Chah Bahar.

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Xbee007(m): 8:12pm On Apr 25, 2017
nemesis2u:
MI35 and SUPER TUCANOS grin
Nigerian Dream!

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by tdayof(m): 9:30pm On Apr 25, 2017
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by chinese8107: 1:18am On Apr 26, 2017
jakeporeshenko:
China's first "indigenous" aircraft carrier nearing completion
That's a kuznitzov class with assistance form UKRAINE.Some media omitted others mentioned a little.
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by tdayof(m): 4:05am On Apr 26, 2017
chinese8107:

That's a kuznitzov class with assistance form UKRAINE.Some media omitted others mentioned a little.
你好, 你去了哪里?
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by chinese8107: 5:28am On Apr 26, 2017
tdayof:

你好, 你去了哪里?
最近忙,没时间多看论坛
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by tdayof(m): 6:01am On Apr 26, 2017
chinese8107:

最近忙,没时间多看论坛

好的。你是学生? Hope you're back well now.
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by MikeCZA: 8:20am On Apr 26, 2017
nemesis2u:
vajra k9 T can engage targets in direct fire mode at ranges of 5km

that's like stepping into MBT territory
Reclaiming their territory.

Tanks led to the extinction of self-propelled anti-tank guns the extinct cousins of modern self-propelled howitzers. They couldn't even be used as the infantry's direct fire support weapon cause of technogical advances in air power.


I can imagine the insul....ts if the crew spotted a tank or any vehicle and were trying to set up the gun to fire. grin grin grin

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 9:11am On Apr 26, 2017
OFB TAR 7.62mm assault rifle inducted into indian coast guard / paramilitary / police forces

Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 9:48am On Apr 26, 2017
105mm truck mounted gun system,
never made it into service as requirement was for 155mm guns

Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by kikuyu2: 2:04pm On Apr 26, 2017
Am I the only one with pic probs?







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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 2:46pm On Apr 26, 2017
EVERYBODY LOVES TO PLAY CHESS MOVES COUNTER MOVES - SPICY AS A PORN MOVIE grin South Korean porn actually grin

April 13th 2017

New Delhi: India is pulling out all stops to operationalize the International North-South Transport Corridor (INSTC), with a dry run planned for Thursday.

The second such dry run is aimed at ironing out the creases in the ambitious multi-modal transportation project involving Iran, Russia and India and comes in the backdrop of China’s ‘One Belt One Road’ initiative

While the Chinese strategy is aimed at connecting some 60 countries across Asia, Africa and Europe to boost trade and economic ties along its traditional maritime route, INSTC will connect the India Ocean and Persian Gulf with the Caspian Sea through Iran and then onwards to St. Petersburg in Russia and northern Europe.

The plan is to move goods from Jawaharlal Nehru and Kandla ports on India’s west coast to Bandar Abbas (Iran) by sea. From Bandar Abbas the goods will be transported to Bandar-e-Anzali (Iranian port on Caspian Sea) by road and from there to Astrakhan (a Caspian port in Russia) by sea. The goods would then be transported into Russian Federation and Europe by Russian railways.

According to Indian government officials, INSTC can reduce the time and cost of deliveries by 30-40%. INSTC is much shorter than the current route, which runs through the Suez Canal and the Mediterranean Sea. Goods transported through the Suez take 45-60 days to reach Europe, compared to INSTC’s 25-30 days.

The potential of this corridor will be manifold for India if linked further with South-east Asian countries. This can boost trade between Europe and South-east Asia as well.

A senior Indian government official requesting anonymity said at present India depends on the sea route via Rotterdam to St Petersburg. To reach out to central Asia, goods have to be routed through China, Europe or Iran. The routes through China and Europe are long, expensive and time consuming. This calls for the need for a route that is relatively shorter, cheaper and safe.

“The corridor will help India bypass Pakistan to reach central Asia and Russia and potentially get a competitive advantage due to lower cost and shorter delivery time,” the official added.

Another Indian government official who also didn’t wish to be identified confirmed the development.

The first dry run was conducted in August 2014 by the Federation of Freight Forwarders Association in India (FFFAI). The dry run report stated, “The proposed INSTC route via Bandar Abbas in Iran to Russia and CIS (commonwealth of independent states) destination in transit through Iran, could be the best route with optimal transit/cost for Indian exporters/importers.”

Queries emailed to the spokespersons for India’s ministries of road transport and highways, and external affairs remained unanswered.

India is moving ahead with its plans of accessing transnational multi-modal connectivity to articulate its role in the proposed transportation architecture in the region and beyond.

This follows India’s decision to become the 71st signatory to Transports Internationaux Routiers or International Road Transports (TIR) Convention—an international transit system, designed to facilitate the seamless movement of goods throughout these countries in Asia and Europe.

“The streamlined international system for the movement of goods by road and other modes will, in particular, enhance India’s International ‘North-South’ Transport Corridor, a key trade route between Central Asia and the Commonwealth of Independent States in the north, and southern ports in India and beyond, such as Chabahar in Iran,” IRU, the world’s road transport organisation said in a statement on 7 March.

Experts say India should leverage Chabahar to make INSTC a viable proposition.

“We have to make best use of Chabahar which can open the entire central Asia to us,” said Saurabh Chandra, former secretary in the department of industrial policy and promotion.

India plans to develop Chabahar port in Iran, which will allow access to landlocked Afghanistan and energy-rich Central Asia through the Jawaharlal Nehru and Kandla ports on India’s west coast. In addition, India has built a 218km-road link connecting Delaram with Zaranj in Afghanistan, which is adjacent to Iran’s border.

Besides, India has been instrumental in implementing the India-Myanmar-Thailand Trilateral Highway, along with the Bangladesh-Bhutan-India-Nepal Motor Vehicles Agreement.

Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 4:23pm On Apr 26, 2017
India's Ministry of Defence (MoD) is set to begin contract negotiations for the purchase of 56 Airbus Defence and Space (DS) C295 medium transport aircraft (MTA) for the Indian Air Force (IAF) to replace the service's ageing fleet of Avro 748M transports.

Industry officials estimate the MTA tender to be worth around INR119.29 (USD1.78 billion).

The MTA programme involves a joint venture (JV) between Airbus and Tata Advanced Systems Limited (TASL) that will import 16 C295s and build the remaining 40 locally.

In accordance with the 2013 MTA tender, 24 of these 40 aircraft are to be imported in kit form for local assembly and include a 30% indigenous content, the latter of which is set to double in the remaining 16 platforms.

User trials for the C295 were successfully completed in early 2016, and official sources told Jane's that they expect the Airbus-TASL deal to be inked during the 2017-18 financial year. Aircraft deliveries are expected to commence some 36 months later.

Industry sources told Jane's on condition of anonymity that the number of C295s purchased by India could increase to "well over 60" as the paramilitary Border Security Force and the Indian Coast Guard are also considering acquiring them.

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 4:44pm On Apr 26, 2017
nemesis2u:
India's Ministry of Defence (MoD) is set to begin contract negotiations for the purchase of 56 Airbus Defence and Space (DS) C295 medium transport aircraft (MTA) for the Indian Air Force (IAF) to replace the service's ageing fleet of Avro 748M transports.

Industry officials estimate the MTA tender to be worth around INR119.29 (USD1.78 billion).

The MTA programme involves a joint venture (JV) between Airbus and Tata Advanced Systems Limited (TASL) that will import 16 C295s and build the remaining 40 locally.

In accordance with the 2013 MTA tender, 24 of these 40 aircraft are to be imported in kit form for local assembly and include a 30% indigenous content, the latter of which is set to double in the remaining 16 platforms.

User trials for the C295 were successfully completed in early 2016, and official sources told Jane's that they expect the Airbus-TASL deal to be inked during the 2017-18 financial year. Aircraft deliveries are expected to commence some 36 months later.

Industry sources told Jane's on condition of anonymity that the number of C295s purchased by India could increase to "well over 60" as the paramilitary Border Security Force and the Indian Coast Guard are also considering acquiring them.
Most likely the next transport aircraft to enter NAF service.
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 4:45pm On Apr 26, 2017
chinese8107:

That's a kuznitzov class with assistance form UKRAINE.Some media omitted others mentioned a little.

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 4:47pm On Apr 26, 2017
GPS Guided Stand off attack kit integrated with the JF-17. Kit turns unguided bombs into guided munitions with 70km range.

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by kikuyu2: 4:48pm On Apr 26, 2017
kikuyu2:
Am I the only one with pic probs?










Henry240,seun ,what the hell is up!? 2.5 hrs ago I posted up smth on the G3 with my kikuyu1 nick. I saw it posted and returned to modify with these pix but it was gone! How does that happen??
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by kikuyu2: 4:51pm On Apr 26, 2017
nemesis2u:
India's Ministry of Defence (MoD) is set to begin contract negotiations for the purchase of 56 Airbus Defence and Space (DS) C295 medium transport aircraft (MTA) for the Indian Air Force (IAF) to replace the service's ageing fleet of Avro 748M transports.

Industry officials estimate the MTA tender to be worth around INR119.29 (USD1.78 billion).

The MTA programme involves a joint venture (JV) between Airbus and Tata Advanced Systems Limited (TASL) that will import 16 C295s and build the remaining 40 locally.

In accordance with the 2013 MTA tender, 24 of these 40 aircraft are to be imported in kit form for local assembly and include a 30% indigenous content, the latter of which is set to double in the remaining 16 platforms.

User trials for the C295 were successfully completed in early 2016, and official sources told Jane's that they expect the Airbus-TASL deal to be inked during the 2017-18 financial year. Aircraft deliveries are expected to commence some 36 months later.

Industry sources told Jane's on condition of anonymity that the number of C295s purchased by India could increase to "well over 60" as the paramilitary Border Security Force and the Indian Coast Guard are also considering acquiring them.
A wonderful mid priced;around 35 mn$ fly away cost, medium lifter. A few years back rumours were thick we'd get a couple and one was seen doing circuits over the MAB Nairobi. Alas! It was just a purchase probe that didn't go further.

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by kikuyu2: 4:59pm On Apr 26, 2017
nemesis2u:


chanakya the ancient guru of statecraft had wrote that "ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS MY FRIEND" grin

terrorism is the biggest issue here , drugs + terrorism from both taliban ruled afghan and *********** will harm india in a big way (and the world wink ).

plus Afghanistan after soviet withdrawal was kept on the boil becz the country on the east want it assimilated into it or at the least subservient to it, inorder to gain strategic depth.

that country in question is only 700km in depth , a over whelming armor thrust into the said country will cut it into 2, plus its airfields r not safe due to lack of strategic depth , last 2 war its aircraft's were withdrawn to Afghanistan to keep them from being destroyed (and some to iran).

other reasons r economic and geo-political


pic 1 indian built SALMA dam (June 4, 2016 the Salma Dam was renamed as the Afghan-India Friendship Dam.) implemented by India’s state-owned Water & Power Consultancy Servicxe India Ltd (WAPCOS) to provide electricity to afghans something which the Americans could not do grin

India’s state-owned Power Grid Corp also successfully completed a four-year effort in 2011 to build a 202km-long transmission line from Pul-e-Khumri near the Salang Pass on the Hindu Kush mountain range to bring electricity to power-starved Kabul after another 462km-long transmission line was built from the Uzbekistan-Afghanistan border to Kabul.

Much of this fell in the ‘snow zone’ at heights reaching up to 3,800 metres ASL. As many as 613 towers have been erected, and these were designed in India to withstand inclement weather.

P****** had refused the use of its territory for transporting these towers which then had to be sent via Iran. Also, heavy-turbine equipment was moved in what was among the largest Indian airlift operations to Kabul.

In March 2013 the LeT tried in vain to try to blow up the under-construction Salma Dam with 1,300kg of explosives, plus attacks on Indian embassy and consulates increased 10 fold

Until this, the city was running on a single gas-turbine and some 25 heavy-duty diesel generators for which the US was providing $100 million of fuel per annum. Kabul had long power-cuts and matters became worse during winter. With the commissioning of the transmission line and the Chimtala sub-station near Kabul, there is now 120mWe available, which is enough for Kabul.

There is now excess power and the Afghanistan government wants India to help start an industrial estate near Kabul.

Also in 2010, Indian water resources management experts were contracted by Afghanistan to draw up feasibility studies and detailed engineering project viability analysis of 12 hydro-power projects with capacity to generate 1,177mWe to be built on the Kabul River. Once the 12 projects get completed, they will store 4.7 million acre-feet (MAF) of water, thereby squeezing the river’s water-flow that reaches P******. grin

After completing the tendering processes, Kabul will initiate construction of the 12 dams with the help of the World Bank (WB), which will provide $7.079 billion as funds.

pic 2 chah bahar project to provide relief to land lock country from economical blackmail and road infra development something which the Americans could not do grin

in 2003, India signed a tripartite agreement with Iran and Afghanistan for preferential trade practices that would eventually ply through Iran’s Chah Bahar FTIZ and in 2013, committed US$100 million for Chah Bahar port’s development.

On January 22, 2009 India handed over to Afghanistan the strategic Delaram-Zaranj highway (Route 606 AH-71) on the main Herat-Kandahar highway. Built at a cost of Rs.600 crore ($135 million), the 215km-long highway was handed over by India’s then External Affairs Minister.

A total of six Indians, including a BRO driver and four ITBP soldiers, and 129 Afghans were killed in attacks during the highway’s construction.


Besides the highway, India had by then also constructed 58km of inner city roads in Afghanistan. The project was initially estimated to cost Rs.740 crore but the BRO completed it for Rs.600 crore and six months ahead of schedule and in three years with the help of 339 engineers. Due to construction of this black-top road, the journey between Delaram and Zaranj was reduced substantially from 14 hours to 2 hours.

This highway also established direct road access to four of the major cities of Afghanistan—Herat, Kandahar, Kabul, and Mazar-e-Sharif. On its part Iran has since built a new transit route to connect its city of Milak to Zaranj in Afghanistan, and has also completed an important bridge over the Helmand River. These road-building projects in Iran and Afghanistan have shortened the transit distance between Chah Bahar and Delaram by 600km, thereby giving Afghanistan-origin exportable commodities/goods duty-free access to Chah Bahar.


I lol whenever I lurk on defence.pk! They perpetually shout and shriek how they'll mass murder "Yindoos" like their forefathers despite the woeful war record and you guys quietly make moves where it matters-in the geopolitical realm. Now you control a veritable land bridge into Eurasia and the ME while they ululate on how the jf17 outflies the Tejas-CONGRATS!!

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 5:01pm On Apr 26, 2017
kikuyu2:


Henry240,seun ,what the hell is up!? 2.5 hrs ago I posted up smth on the G3 with my kikuyu1 nick. I saw it posted and returned to modify with these pix but it was gone! How does that happen??

what i understand is this forum back end code treats some photo URLs as spam

so u must first save the pic to ur system and then upload them as attachments.
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 5:41pm On Apr 26, 2017
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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 5:47pm On Apr 26, 2017
jakeporeshenko:
GPS Guided Stand off attack kit integrated with the JF-17. Kit turns unguided bombs into guided munitions with 70km range.

FYI it belongs to Chinese FT series munitions family

just asking

ru sure it has been integrated to jf17 ?

it has been displayed next to jf17 in airshows but otherwise i have not come across any official conformation.
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 6:13pm On Apr 26, 2017
nemesis2u:


FYI it belongs to Chinese FT series munitions family

just asking

ru sure it has been integrated to jf17 ?

it has been displayed next to jf17 in airshows but otherwise i have not come across any official conformation.

The quote doesn't say the guidance KIT was developed in Pakistan.... common nemesis i am only tryiny to contribute to your thread, you can't pick on somthing because it's related to Pakistan.

BTW I got the news from an official account so I guess it's pretty much confirmed.

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 6:19pm On Apr 26, 2017
kikuyu2:

lol

Amrullah Saleh is a ex chief of NDS

watch this interview


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ9l4pH1668

especially watch this short clip , u would be proud of him


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhTa3e3nQvI


there r many interviews where he lays bare the realities, straight from the man who actually is in the loop on these matters, which the international media conveniently forgets to tell us about .

rookies in intel orgs r forced to watch as many videos of selected people from intelligence world as possible in order to understand the cognitive though pattern of diverse people across the world which whom they might have to deal some day.
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by MikeCZA: 6:22pm On Apr 26, 2017
kikuyu2:

I lol whenever I lurk on defpk! They perpetually shout and shriek how they'll mass murder "Yindoos" like their forefathers despite the woeful war record and you guys quietly make moves where it matters-in the geopolitical realm. Now you control a veritable land bridge into Eurasia and the ME while they ululate on how the j outflies the Tas-CONGRATS!!
Don't bring them here!

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 6:28pm On Apr 26, 2017
jakeporeshenko:

The quote doesn't say the guidance KIT was developed in Pakistan.... common nemesis i am only tryiny to contribute to your thread, you can't pick on somthing because it's related to Pakistan.

BTW I got the news from an official account so I guess it's pretty much confirmed.

common on man u hurt me big time sad

information is a 2 way street undecided
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 6:49pm On Apr 26, 2017
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 7:17pm On Apr 26, 2017
the pic posted many posts above is the FT 2 PGM

GPS guided glide bomb

Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 7:33pm On Apr 26, 2017
jakeporeshenko:

Most likely the next transport aircraft to enter NAF service.

Definitely the next transport aircraft for the NAF.

.....But 52, even in our dreams, we don't hope to get such numbers, not to talk of reality. People would call you a mad man if you even say or post such figures in public. grin grin

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