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| Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by raphieMontella: 7:03am On Jul 29, 2016 |
felixomor:who's that someone?...naijadeyhia aka damogul?... This is what i mean...u dnt knw hw to read.... Damogul said...read link........ Then tell me if hitler was a theist or an atheist...thats what he said..no direct statement bro... Learn to read fully before concluding i rep'd him..he hasnt still responded tho.. 1 Like |
| Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by hopefulLandlord: 8:16am On Jul 29, 2016 |
raphieMontella: Ouch!!!!!!! |
| Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by hopefulLandlord: 8:19am On Jul 29, 2016 |
raphieMontella: You could see they have suddenly slowed down on the Hitler atheism talk, they've shot themselves in the foot They've always hammered on an on that Hitler was atheist That's their "belief" hence they're going through "cognitive dissonance" now that you've proven that he was in fact not atheist, their links even prove it but "belief" is a very strong thing, too strong for reason 1 Like |
| Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by Nobody: 8:57am On Jul 29, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord: I remember knowledge being your bane so even if you read the link I posted you still wouldnt understand that Hitler deliberately rode on the wings of Christianity so he would become ruler of germany but immediately he did he turned on the very christians who helped him and began killing, arresting and maiming with his concentration camps. Below are Adolf Hitlers words. Interpret them for me pls. [b]Night of 11th-12th July, 1941: National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. 10th October, 1941, midday: Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. 14th October, 1941, midday: The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. 19th October, 1941, night: The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity. 21st October, 1941, midday: Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, gays? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. 13th December, 1941, midnight: Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. 14th December, 1941, midday: Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. 9th April, 1942, dinner: There is something very unhealthy about Christianity 27th February, 1942, midday: It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ." [/b] 3 Likes 3 Shares |
| Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by Nobody: 9:00am On Jul 29, 2016 |
raphieMontella: My response to hopefullandlord is for you too. |
| Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by felixomor: 9:03am On Jul 29, 2016 |
raphieMontella: *yinmu* ok o  |
| Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by Nobody: 9:09am On Jul 29, 2016 |
felixomor: Those 2 guys up there are so unintelligent it hurts. I suppose the Holocaust happened before Hitler or after Hitler. The Holocaust was the systematic annihilation of six million Jews by the Nazi regime during World War 2. In 1933 approximately nine million Jews lived in the 21 countries of Europe that would be occupied by Germany during the war. By 1945 two out of every three European Jews had been killed by Hitlers regime. So why did Hitler detest Jews and Christianity so much that he had over 6million of them killed. That's why I showed them Hitlers very words above. They see but seriously lack understanding of anything. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by felixomor: 9:11am On Jul 29, 2016 |
naijadeyhia: Thank u brother. Am happy u even confirmed the way hitler used christians to climb to power before showing his real color. Somebody is still arguing here. E no wan rest, i just tire for am. Even the wikipedia he used clearly stated hitler's religious status. The guy refused to give up o. Wetin i go do. Thanks brother. 1 Like |
| Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by hopefulLandlord: 10:37am On Jul 29, 2016 |
The argument here is not whether Hitler was a Christian or not, that's obvious The argument here is whether he was an atheist or not not one of you has been able to prove that Killing millions of Jews doesn't hold water else we can call anyone that kills many Yahweh believers as "atheists" which is what you're doing Intellectual dishonesty at its best Keep the insults coming In Sia's voice "I'm bulletproof, nothing to lose, fire away, fire away, " 5 Likes 4 Shares |
| Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by hopefulLandlord: 10:47am On Jul 29, 2016 |
raphieMontella: This |
| Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by hopefulLandlord: 10:50am On Jul 29, 2016 |
damogul: This is where they shot themselves in the foot Nowhere in that article of yours did they call him an atheist 1 Like |
| Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by hopefulLandlord: 10:58am On Jul 29, 2016 |
naijadeyhia: Knowledge isn't your bane Why then didn't you tell us to continue reading here? http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/Thread-Was-Hitler-really-a-Christian?page=2 I often hear the simplistic, reductionist claim that there is a kind of equation between atheism and Nazism....for example, statements like "atheism leads to evil or such things as Nazism (epitome of evil)" There have been any number of similar claims made in various quarters: Nazism was an inevitable product of Darwin, or of Luther, or of the Versailles treaty, or of Wagner's opera, or of Nietzsche, or of Hegel. All of these break down under the obvious objection that there were plenty of atheists, darwinists, Lutherans, objectors to the Versailles treaty, Wagnerians, Nietzsche and Hegelians who did not become Nazis. These are all vacuous arguments from a historiographical perspective. Was Adolf Hitler an atheist? Hitler cannot be called a church going christian, but neither can he be used as an example of an atheist. Hardly the product of an anti-christian childhood and upbringing, he attended mass with his devout mother and was a choirboy, which he quite enjoyed. Indeed, the majesty and pageantry of the church heavily influenced the staging in Nazi rallies and rituals. born and raised a roman catholic, Hitler remained a nominal catholic for the rest of his life. he never officially renounced the church or his membership in it, but he was hostile to the church's impulses of caring for the weak, infirm, and mentally handicapped, who he wished to destroy. Hitler never doubted the divinity of Jesus, just his jewishness, convinced that he was actually an Aryan. The portraits of a fair haired, blue eyed Jesus that grace so many American homes would have doubtless met with his approval. Consider the following examples rebutting the claim that he was an atheist: 1) When party secretary martin bormann closed a convent, Hitler reversed the order. 2) Hitler allowed the German army to have catholic and protestant chaplains in field. In fact the troops wore a belt buckle embossed with the inscription "god is with us". 3) In endless monologues to those around him, Hitler never once professed to be an atheist or unbeliever in the Abraham god of Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. In particular, he had the greatest admiration for Islam, particularly its military tradition. 4) Survivor of over a dozen assassination plots and attempts, Hitler credited "divine providence" and "almighty god" for saving him to complete his great mission. On the eve of the soviet invasion, Hitler ended his address to his troops with "Almighty god bless our arms". 5) The first foreign policy coup of nazi germany was the "Concordat with the Vatican", allowing the church independence and catholic schools ot remain open in exchange for staying out of politics. The church also "welcomed the way" when operation barbarossa..the campaign against the godless soviet union was launched. Hitler, SS chief Heinrich Himmler, and architect of the holocaust Reinhard Heydrich, nominal catholics all, were never excommunicated by the holy sec. To this very day they remain catholics in good standing. 6) When overzealous nazi party officials removed crucifixes from classroom walls in bavaria, hitler personally reversed the order and had them rehung. Now, some of the myths surrounding hitler's atheism can be attributed to an inaccurate and poorly translated version of Table Talk. Table Talk is a book of transcribed conversations that hitler had with those close to him. Some versions of this book that were translated from german to other languages contained fabricated statements not found in the original german manuscript. Again, this is all irrelevant, with or without religion good people do good things, evil people will do evil things, for good people to do evil things takes religion. DISCLAIMER: I am in NO way a hitler fan, that sick Bleep deserved to be lit on fire after many days of having every bone in his body broken one at a time, but sorry, he was not an atheist. 5 Likes 4 Shares |
| Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by Nobody: 11:00am On Jul 29, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord: You really really do lack comprehension. Its in your DNA and it so shows even when you try to hide it. Smh 1 Like |
| Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by hopefulLandlord: 11:03am On Jul 29, 2016 |
Oh! https://www.quora.com/When-did-the-claim-that-Hitler-was-an-atheist-arise It has been argued that much of what Hitler publicly stated as per religion was spoken with an ear towards anti-semitism and political expediency. This doesn't mean we simply ignore everything he said publicly, but let's start with the facts. Raised in a Catholic household, his father was not very devout, though his mother was. Germany at the time sided with his father - a young child at his time would have been influenced by Pan-Germanism, which wasn't specifically religious but which implied that the Roman Catholic Church was a dividing and weakening force on Germany and therefore not terribly good for them. This might have led to Hitler's embrace of Positive Christianity, which was also very nationalistic in character - and of course, anti-Semitic. Without dwelling on these matters, we see Hitler move away from Catholicism throughout his life, but never away from religion. In fact, even as Positive Christianity and Pan-Germanism allowed him to identify religious practice as a more inherently German object, we see in contrast a staunch distaste for Atheism, which could be associated with such foreign influences as communism and secular Judaism. One anecdote - maybe apocryphal - tells of Hitler in the trenches being told to move by a 'mysterious voice' - - and surviving - thus creating a kind of George Bush fanaticism and belief that he was chosen by the divine to rule Germany which is espoused in many other places as well. This is exceptionally meaningful in terms of proving that Hitler believed in a God, but recognizing his and Germany's as a special place in that god's world - contradicting the world envisioned by the Catholic and other religions. Claims of atheism likely surfaced among Hitler's enemies relatively soon into his reign, but would not have been taken seriously on his soil. That's because Nazism was inherently conservative - a response to the secularity of the movement that preceded it. It would be like people accusing the Tea Party of being atheistic - illogical on its face. It was an idea born of propaganda outside of Germany that took hold as the machines of war started spinning roughly around 1939. Minor incidents of anti-Catholocism were blown up in the media while of course members of the other major religions were actually correct in their interpretation of Hitler being against their views. Later on, religious leaders who sought to discredit atheists would bolster these claims, but there has been no meaningful scholarship or even media presence of these assertions. Many false quotes were attributed to Hitler, as well as a stigma that remained even among more educated people that while he wasn't technically an atheist, he was just an opportunistic Christian poseur. This kind of whisper-campaign is in contrast to a man who actually believed he was a chosen mouthpiece of a German-focused Christian mysticism. 6 Likes 3 Shares |
| Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by hopefulLandlord: 11:04am On Jul 29, 2016 |
naijadeyhia:Yes, you're very correct Smh |
| Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by Nobody: 11:17am On Jul 29, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord: Glad you concur |
| Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by hopefulLandlord: 11:25am On Jul 29, 2016 |
naijadeyhia: 5 Likes
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| Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by Panshow(m): 11:54am On Jul 29, 2016 |
naijadeyhia:Since we cannot prove the existence of God experimentally or based on empirical methodology, which other way can we prove his existence? |
| Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by raphieMontella: 3:54pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord:I tell u brother ''belief''...resulting in sheer ignorance of facts jst to propel one's fantasy #''belief''... Any rational human..who read those links wud see the simple tin there 1 Like |
| Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by hopefulLandlord: 4:26pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
raphieMontella:Even the link one of them gave only said there were "rumours" of him being atheist But guess what? In that same link he gave, there's a whole subheading given to his views that opposed atheism They keep repeating "Hitler was an atheist" creating threads upon threads to that effect, they believe that if they repeat it a huge number of times, people would believe it when in fact Hitler is not atheist So what my smart Christian did was to take "rumour" as "fact" while wishing away the true "fact" that he was against atheism while hoping we won't visit the link and read its contents, unfortunately for him, we did Yet he calls us dumb? He must be dumber than dumb then 1 Like |
| Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by raphieMontella: 5:17pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
naijadeyhia:the issue is nt whether hitler killed christians or not...the issue is whether he was an atheist or not...or maybe anyone who kills christians automatically become an atheist...lol.. Cs thats what ure tryna potray.. Or pro'ly christianity is the only religion na..ryt  If u read my posts...i clearly stated that hitler was against the christian god...not all gods guy...christian god and all gods are diffferent... He had his own ideas of how christianityy shud be...which is nt normal.. The issue here is that he was religious....i told u...check religion in nazi germany...nazism and positive christianity... Nazism was the religion...a kinda deism... Hitler never for once..even one-half call himself an atheist...and he publicly condemned atheism like a lot..banned atheist sections..man read up befre concluding...truth hurts.. He always said he was a christian..if am to follow the way u think..then i'd say because hitler said he was a christian then he is a christian because he said it..and i'd simply ignore his killing of christians..is that nt cra'y?.. Mehn eida u park well and read smtin well.. Or niqqa u swerve. P.s .Adolf Hitler was a religious man...and never an atheist... 1 Like |
| Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by Nobody: 5:54pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
raphieMontella: Hitler was not Religious. Hitler was Anti-theist which is an arm of Atheism. Anti-theist This group regularly speaks out against religion and religious beliefs, usually by positioning themselves as “diametrically opposed to religious ideology,” “Anti-theists view religion as ignorance and see any individual or institution associated with it as backward and socially detrimental,”. “The Anti-Theist has a clear and – in their view, superior – understanding of the limitations and danger of religions.” Anti-theists are outspoken, devoted and – at times – confrontational about their disbelief. They believe that “obvious fallacies in religion and belief should be aggressively addressed in some form or another. The above explains why Hitler was relentlessly brutal against Jews during the Holocaust. I think you need to research your Atheism....it is not Just as simple as disbelief in god or gods or higher powers. Its more detailed than that. http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/07/15/the-six-types-of-atheists/ 1 Share
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| Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by raphieMontella: 6:30pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord:exactly...i repeated times witout number...read the links..they wudnt listen.. Ignorance at its peak brother... |
| Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by Nobody: 6:34pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
raphieMontella: I believe my post above has taught u somethinf new about your very own Atheism and how broad it is. Broader than your small mind can fathom. Ignorant folks claiming knowledge. You and hopefullandlord need to have a lesson on knowledge and assimilation. 1 Share
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| Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by raphieMontella: 6:57pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
naijadeyhia:jst look at what u are saying...someone who publicly condemned atheism an atheist.. Read those links properly man...u'd understand that hitler preferred islam to christians...christians were kinda shallow to him...hitler didnt hate other gods..jst the christiann god.... Someone who said my feelings point me to my god..smtin like that. Thats why i said u shud read nazism....bt u wont...until u do u cant get the picture....for smone who banned atheistic activities an atheist..mehn ur thinking sef... For someone who's nazi germany had sets of rules for worship in churches...they dnt jst believe in the idealogy of the jewish supernatural god... Read up deism..u need to do ur research on nazism..i keep ringing it like a bell..yet..christianity is nt the only religion.. |
| Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by raphieMontella: 7:05pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
naijadeyhia:ignorance is when someone calls a person who publicly condemned atheism an atheist...simple truth.. I think u need to google hitler's speeches....every single one of them...so u can understand and have knowledge of the man... Also google deism and its branches..so ur mind can open up to the truth..rather than swimming in ur belief.. |
| Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by raphieMontella: 7:10pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
naijadeyhia:if truly u knw hw to read an assimilate...take https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler read and have a sense of reasoning... Nt jst being ignorant cs of one's fantasies |
| Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by felixomor: 7:11pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
Some people have no shame. One person accusimg 3 of swimming in belief, from his own evidence. Its a pity.  |
| Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by Nobody: 7:13pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
raphieMontella: I guess you still do not understand how an anti-theist is also an Atheist even with the definition and comparison I screengrabbed for you. Its written in English and not Chinese. I thought it would be easy for you to understand but I guess I was wrong. Compare the ideology in this attached Screengrab and then read up Anti- theism again and tell me if there is any difference. 1 Share
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| Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by Nobody: 7:16pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
raphieMontella: I have shown you what anti theism is and how ot is the same as atheism just slight ideology difference. Its not too hard to understand is it? Anti theism and atheism are the same. The only difference is that one is an enforcer while the other is weak just like most Atheist here on NL. All they do is talk whild there are the physically aggressive ones who want to enforce their voews by all means necessary and that was Hitlers niche. |
| Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by raphieMontella: 7:22pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
naijadeyhia:Finally, I would like to say something to those people who keep talking to me about religion: I am also religious, profoundly religious on the inside, and I believe that Providence weighs us human beings''--Adolf Hitler 26 March 1934;...case closed... Hopefullandlord come see o |
| Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by raphieMontella: 7:28pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
naijadeyhia:hitler wasnt even an anti theist...jst read up man...why arguing blindly?.....he was focused on erasing the jewish god frm being in high places in political organizations..which was a common trait of the catholic church den..he was on a kinda islamic jihad bt in his views of christianity meanwhile nt eliminating his religiousness... Frm the lion's mouth 1 Like |
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