naijadeyhia:


Are you still on this matter? I shared 2 screengrabs for your friend where I explainsd anti theism and atheism to him and both are rhe same. Just that one is aggressively driven for practical implementation of beliefs (Hitler) while the other is Passive like all you NL atheists who just talk with no actions (hopefullandlord)

Let me share it again here so you read.

hopefulLandlord:


Hahahahahahaha

Confirmation bias

NONE of those were confirmed to be atheist

Himmler was "against" atheism because Himmler believed it to be a form of egotism

What I learnt today: an anti-atheist is an atheist

KingEbukaNaija:


Why are you shooting yourself in the foot and then laughing in pain , are you a stoic ? Hitler and his atheist buddies accommodated atheists that accepted Nazism but were against atheists that did not and that means he is not an atheist ? Haba ! Hilter's political aims did not conflict with his atheism .

Same with Christians during the medieval age who deprecated the reprehensible acts of the Catholics were killed by them . It does not mean the Catholics aint Christians . They wanted to sate their political thirst for power and the bulldozed past anyone that stood in their including fellow Christians .

That's what Hitler did with atheists who were anti-Nazi . It does not mean he was mean he was anti-atheistic . He was simply being fighting against anti-Nazis including atheists .

KingEbukaNaija:


Why are you shooting yourself in the foot and then laughing in pain , are you a stoic ? Hitler and his atheist buddies accommodated atheists that accepted Nazism but was against atheists that did not and that means he is not an atheist . Hilter's political aims did not conflict with his atheism .

Same with Christians during the medieval age who deprecated the reprehensible acts of the Catholics were killed by them . It does not mean the Catholics aint Christians . They wanted to sate their political thirst for power and the bulldozed past anyone that stood in their including fellow Christians .

That's what Hitler did with atheists who were anti-Nazi . It does not mean he was mean he was anti-atheistic . He was simply being fighting against anti-Nazis including atheists .

hopefulLandlord:

Adults are talking

Go to bed

hopefulLandlord:

Adults are talking

Go to bed

naijadeyhia:



Hitler was the first example of a typical demopublican. He endorsed imperialism and genocide through his promotion of scientific racism.

naijadeyhia:



He does not realise that everyone tagged Hitler as the strangest Atheist.

Hitler was an atheist and supposed believer in evolution. He was also a proven Fascist.

KingEbukaNaija:


What eluded hopeful landlord is that Hitler's political ideologies did not conflict with his atheistic view - he was also against atheists who dissented to his political ideologies .

Fascism is against Marxism - a subset of Communism - but Marxism has atheism as an inseparable part . That means he actually cared less about atheism though an atheist and wanted his political ideologies enforced . He was a true politician !

KingEbukaNaija:


What eluded hopeful landlord is that Hitler's political ideologies did not conflict with his atheistic view - he was also against atheists who dissented to his political ideologies .

Fascism is against Marxism - a subset of Communism - but Marxism has atheism as an inseparable part . That means he actually cared less about atheism though an atheist and wanted his political ideologies enforced . He was a true politician !

hopefulLandlord:

Bros these are conjectures and hearsays

The "facts" we have is that he was antichristian and anti-atheist

Nazism is not atheism bro

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

Like I said, we'll keep going back and forth

If scholars who's job is to search deep almost day and night haven't been able to factually claim he was atheist, I see no reason for two people who are "armchair" scholars to keep going on about an open ended discussion

Its gotten tiring now

hopefulLandlord:

Bros these are conjectures and hearsays

The "facts" we have is that he was antichristian and anti-atheist

Nazism is not atheism bro

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

Like I said, we'll keep going back and forth

If scholars who's job is to search deep almost day and night haven't been able to factually claim he was atheist, I see no reason for two people who are "armchair" scholars to keep going on about an open ended discussion

Its gotten tiring now

KingEbukaNaija:


Bro , stop giving me that link . Whatever Hitler had against atheism in 1933 was influenced by his once-held Christian beliefs . He departed from Christianity and in 1941 , Hitler said : "Christianity is an invention of sick brains" .

His quondam Christian beliefs made him deplore atheism . But when he became an atheist , he had his political ideas to be promulgated and enforced . He had no modicum of interest in his atheistic views but loved his political aims - that's why even if atheists were anti-Nazi he'd still exterminate them . It does not make him less of an atheist . He believes in evolution - survival of the fittest - atheist or not if you don't want me , die !!! But he hated Christians no matter what !!

KingEbukaNaija:


Bro , stop giving me that link . Whatever Hitler had against atheism in 1933 was influenced by his once-held Christian beliefs . He departed from Christianity and in 1941 , Hitler said : "Christianity is an invention of sick brains" .

His quondam Christian beliefs made him deplore atheism . But when he became an atheist , he had his political ideas to be promulgated and enforced . He had no modicum of interest in his atheistic views but loved his political aims - that's why even if atheists were anti-Nazi he'd still exterminate them . It does not make him less of an atheist . He believes in evolution - survival of the fittest - atheist or not if you don't want me , die !!! But he hated Christians no matter what !!

hopefulLandlord:

Even the link one of them gave only said there were "rumours" of him being atheist

But guess what? In that same link he gave, there's a whole subheading given to his views that opposed atheism

They keep repeating "Hitler was an atheist" creating threads upon threads to that effect, they believe that if they repeat it a huge number of times, people would believe it when in fact Hitler is not atheist

So what my smart Christian did was to take "rumour" as "fact" while wishing away the true "fact" that he was against atheism while hoping we won't visit the link and read its contents, unfortunately for him, we did

Yet he calls us dumb? He must be dumber than dumb then

JackBizzle:


Hitler was never an atheist. Stop being silly.

He killed Jews and said it was the Lord's work.

Ogbeni. Stop the lies.

KingEbukaNaija:


You are the one twisting it just to suit your claims . Hitler was an atheist . And the memorandum clearly implied he was an atheist . He did not believe in divinity in nature and that rules him out as a pantheist . He does not believe in the supernatural , that rules him out as a deist . You are now left with atheism . Go to bed bro !

KingEbukaNaija:


Just negodu . We already have a memorandum that explicitly denigrated religious concept of God . Hitler also abjured his Christian beliefs and embraced materialism - this can be deduced from the memo .

raphieMontella:

i believe u didnt read my link on hitlers quote...
He believed in the supernatural...read my link on his quotes...or signify and i bring thos quotes here...u choose....
Nazism is a religion of its own...i keep sayinng this...check it up on wikipedia...
Nazism is a kinda deism which promotes positive christianity...positive christianity was the line of worship for god...he believed christianity was frm the heart and shud be shoown in good deeds etc
baba an atheist doesnt laydown and follow rules of worship of a god...any god...be it the naturelike way u wanna put it...
Atheists detest all gods....
Hitler publicly decried atheism like a lot...he shut down secular schools because they had no religious foundations...he believed religion was necessary...shut down atheistic movement and organisations in germany..
What more do u need?
Lets present pure facts..

KingEbukaNaija:
@hopefulLandlord . Hitler must have spoken against atheism when he was a Christian .

raphieMontella:

hitler spoke against atheism frm the conception of the nazi party till his death

JackBizzle:



Lies, lies, lies.

No one believes your nonsense interpretations. Hitlers quotes affirming his belief in God and doing God's work are clear. No need for "reinterpretation".

KingEbukaNaija:


www.nairaland.com/attachments/4037798_hitler4_pngf3443af276561c8e4661027194516c98

raphieMontella:
We were convinced that the people needs and
requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken
the fight against the atheistic movement, and that
not merely with a few theoretical declarations:
we have stamped it out. Speech delivered in Berlin 24 October 1933;
cc kingebukanaija
so u knw he had all the power he already needed..its nt a matter oof lieing to be in power

JackBizzle:



You have lied so much that you dont even know when you are lying consciously.


Just look at the nonsense you posted. Hitler died 1945 but you bring some quote not made by him which is dated 1946?

raphieMontella:
Pls take a lil time to read them

While we destroyed the Centre Party, we have
not only brought thousands of priests back into
the Church, but to millions of respectable people
we have restored their faith in their religion and
in their priests. The union of the Evangelical
Church in a single Church for the whole Reich, the Concordat with the Catholic Church, these are
but milestones on the road which leads to the
establishment of a useful relation and a useful co
operation between the Reich and the two
Confessions. New Year Message 1 January 1934; from

We have experienced a miracle, something
unique, something the like of which there has
hardly been in the history of the world. God first
allowed our people to be victorious for four and
a half years, then He abased us, laid upon us a
period of shamelessness, but now after a struggle of fourteen years he has permitted us to
bring that period to a close. It is a miracle which
has been wrought upon the German people.... It
shows us that the Almighty has not deserted our
people, that He received it into favour at the
moment when it rediscovered itself. And that our people shall never again lose itself, that must be
our vow so long as we shall live and so long as
the Lord gives us the strength to carry on the
fight. Speech 19 March 1934 to the Old Guard of
the Party at Munich;(believed in a miracle #ur supernatural)

Finally, I would like to say something to those
people who keep talking to me about religion: I
am also religious, profoundly religious on the
inside, and I believe that Providence weighs us
human beings. Speech 26 March 1934....

August 2, 1934 — Hitler becomes Führer of the German Nation I know that here and there the objection has
been raised: Yes, but you have deserted
Christianity. No, it is not that we have deserted
Christianity; it is those who came before us who
deserted Christianity. We have only carried
through a clear division between politics, which have to do with terrestrial things, and religion,
which must concern itself with the celestial
sphere. There has been no interference with the
doctrine of the Confessions or with their religious
freedom, nor will there be any such interference.
On the contrary the State protects religion, though always on the one condition that religion
will not be used as a cover for political ends. There may have been a time when even parties
founded on the ecclesiastical basis were a
necessity. At that time Liberalism was opposed to
the Church, while Marxism was anti-religious. But
that time is past. National Socialism neither
opposes the Church nor is it anti-religious, but on the contrary, it stands on the ground of a real
Christianity. The Church's interests cannot fail to coincide with
ours alike in our fight against the symptoms of
degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight
against the Bolshevist culture, against an atheistic
movement, against criminality, and in our
struggle for the consciousness of a community in our national life, for the conquest of hatred and
disunion between the classes, for the conquest
of civil war and unrest, of strife and discord.
These are not anti-Christian, these are Christian
principles. Speech delivered at Koblenz 26 August 1934;

this one also....note the word celestial
cc kingebukanaija