cloudgoddess:




Hmm, I disagree. How do places like Norway, China, Japan etc. keep the peace, and continue developing at such steady rates despite them being the most atheist & secular countries on earth? From what I've researched, atheist/non-religious/secular countries and societies are doing better across the globe. Less crime, better healthcare, more educated, more equality, higher life expectancy, the list goes on.

I think any society of human beings, regardless of race demographics or geographical location, is capable of prospering secularly. Psychology & neuroscience are making great headway in the areas of emotional & mental health and well-being, interpersonal interaction, etc. Books are being written, techniques and practices are being developed, courses and seminars are taking place, that focus on teaching how to relate to ourselves and eachother better, and be more peaceful, compassionate, co-operative and happy, in ways that acknowledge & work with our human nature.

These things can be taught and maintained without religion, and likely even more effectively so, if only we could wake people up and get them to learn. People lean on religion because they think it's the only thing that can satisfy our inner needs. But imho it's just a placebo.

ayobase:


I'm praying for you brother.

I have two options, but you have only one.

Option 1: If there is indeed no afterlife, then you and I have nothing to lose.

Option 2: If there is indeed afterlife, then I have nothing to lose (with conditions met), but you lose.


A very brilliant and self-confident student seeking admission into the University will still take both WAEC and NECO to nullifying odds.


I have actually been praying for you, Seun Osewa since the day I discovered you are an atheist.

Have you asked yourself the question; "What if there is afterlife?

Think about it deeply.

ikupakuti:
GOD BLESS YOU @naijababe

Seun has been riding on the ignorance of religious naija people who them selves do not have a clear and sound understanding of what the true idea of the religion they claim to practice entails to score cheap credits, thereby making him sound intelligent to confused atheists like him with his “chinese“ arguments

He & his likes think knowledge stops at the realm of reason only & that science as they “know it“ must answer what they failed to grasp in the concept of religion/revelation due to the limited capabilities of their senses (which they so much rely on)

They always attack adherents & the way they practice or interpret certain doctrines to discredit religion, discounting the fact that there is a difference between a religion and its adherents

Religion is dogmatic and was never built on reason but faith!

If you find anything reasonable in it....its mere coincidence

The realm of faith transcends that of reason...making the concept of religion totally off limits to the physical senses

Thats why theres no convincing theory or explanation for faith as long as reason is going to be the yardstick

The bigbang theory they always cling to as bases for the origin of time and space (as if they were present when it happend & which its entirity is based on postulations and conjectures) has sprung thousands of questions, thousands of ifs than answers...and still they are quick to find fault in religion..

I wonder what atheists arguments would look like without science

They claimed the “existence“ of GOD or a SUPEREM/NECESSARY BEING needs “proof“.....i‘m like what about the thousands and one things they believe in without proofs!

Or are they saying science has got an explanation for all the things they believe in?

Atheism remains the religion of the disconsolates and the discontenteds

Touchnot01:
According yo atheists, religion is the cause of illiteracy ann all societal negatives.

ikupakuti:
GOD BLESS YOU @naijababe

Seun has been riding on the ignorance of religious naija people who them selves do not have a clear and sound understanding of what the true idea of the religion they claim to practice entails to score cheap credits, thereby making him sound intelligent to confused atheists like him with his “chinese“ arguments

He & his likes think knowledge stops at the realm of reason only & that science as they “know it“ must answer what they failed to grasp in the concept of religion/revelation due to the limited capabilities of their senses (which they so much rely on)

They always attack adherents & the way they practice or interpret certain doctrines to discredit religion, discounting the fact that there is a difference between a religion and its adherents

Religion is dogmatic and was never built on reason but on faith

If you find anything reasonable in it....its mere coincidence

The realm of faith transcends that of reason...making the concept of religion totally off limits to the physical senses

Thats why theres no convincing theory or explanation for faith as long as reason is going to be the yardstick

The bigbang theory they always cling to as bases for the origin of time and space (as if they were present when it happend & which its entirity is based on postulations and conjectures) has sprung thousands of questions, thousands of ifs than answers...and still they are quick to find fault in religion..

I wonder what atheists arguments would look like without science

They claimed the “existence“ of GOD or a SUPEREM/NECESSARY BEING needs “proof“.....i‘m like what about the thousands and one things they believe in without proofs!

Or are they saying science has got an explanation for all the things they believe in?

Atheism remains the religion of the disconsolates and the discontenteds

ikupakuti:
GOD BLESS YOU @naijababe

Seun has been riding on the ignorance of religious naija people who them selves do not have a clear and sound understanding of what the true idea of the religion they claim to practice entails to score cheap credits, thereby making him sound intelligent to confused atheists like him with his “chinese“ arguments

He & his likes think knowledge stops at the realm of reason only & that science as they “know it“ must answer what they failed to grasp in the concept of religion/revelation due to the limited capabilities of their senses (which they so much rely on)

They always attack adherents & the way they practice or interpret certain doctrines to discredit religion, discounting the fact that there is a difference between a religion and its adherents

Religion is dogmatic and was never built on reason but faith!

If you find anything reasonable in it....its mere coincidence

The realm of faith transcends that of reason...making the concept of religion totally off limits to the physical senses

Thats why theres no convincing theory or explanation for faith as long as reason is going to be the yardstick

The bigbang theory they always cling to as bases for the origin of time and space (as if they were present when it happend & which its entirity is based on postulations and conjectures) has sprung thousands of questions, thousands of ifs than answers...and still they are quick to find fault in religion..

I wonder what atheists arguments would look like without science

They claimed the “existence“ of GOD or a SUPEREM/NECESSARY BEING needs “proof“.....i‘m like what about the thousands and one things they believe in without proofs!

Or are they saying science has got an explanation for all the things they believe in?

Atheism remains the religion of the disconsolates and the discontenteds

promise10:


YOU SAID THIS:"They claimed the “existence“ of GOD or a SUPEREM/NECESSARY BEING needs “proof“.....i‘m like what about the thousands and one things they believe in without proofs!"

The above reason is why I consider them as insincere people.

I am yet to see an atheist who will reject his mum because of lack of video proof showing his mum giving birth to him right in the labour room. I am yet to see!

promise10:


YOU SAID THIS:"They claimed the “existence“ of GOD or a SUPEREM/NECESSARY BEING needs “proof“.....i‘m like what about the thousands and one things they believe in without proofs!"

The above reason is why I consider them as insincere people.

I am yet to see an atheist who will reject his mum because of lack of video proof showing his mum giving birth to him right in the labour room. I am yet to see!

hopefulLandlord:


Hey brother

Google " Pascal's wager" and be more enlightened

Thanks

4everGod:



Every second your emphasis is on HELL as if you know the spiritual position o the person you are talking about. Pascals wager is someones personal opinion and so your reference to it.

No believer goes around thinking about hell, we go around thinking about the goodness of God and His Love. Those things erase Hell from ones life because even here on earth anyone who would make heaven already knows it so why dwell on hell?

ayobase:

I'm praying for you brother.
I have two options, but you have only one.
Option 1: If there is indeed no afterlife, then you and I have nothing to lose.
Option 2: If there is indeed afterlife, then I have nothing to lose (with conditions met), but you lose.
A very brilliant and self-confident student seeking admission into the University will still take both WAEC and NECO to nullifying odds.
I have actually been praying for you, Seun Osewa since the day I discovered you are an atheist.
Have you asked yourself the question; "What if there is afterlife?
Think about it deeply.

hopefulLandlord:


Bros, why just jump into this without looking at what I was replying to?

Read the below and tell me what your brother was referring to



TELL ME WHAT HE MEANS BY THIS

4everGod:

His comment was directed at Seun so he had to use that analogy but it does not mean that is the reason why he is walking with God. When you direct a comment at someone you need to say it in a way that is directly understandable by the hearer whom it was directed to even though you are not in the very same situation.
It is not Pascals wager! Ask the poster why he serves God and you would be surprised at his answer which would clearly show he is not doing so because of the fear of hell.

hopefulLandlord:

Hey brother
Google " Pascal's wager" and be more enlightened
Thanks

4everGod:


Word of advice: NEVER SPEAK FOR SOMEONE YOU HAVE NEVER MET AND DO NOT KNOW. ONLY SPEAK FOR YOURSELF!

hopefulLandlord:


Bros, why you dey fall my hand Na!

Did I say that's the reason he believes in a god?

Tell me where I said that

All that happened there was he popping up Pascal's wager and I told him to read more on it

In my own reply to his post

Tell me where I implied anything that he hasn't said already

hopefulLandlord:


[size=16pt]Bros, look in the mirror too to see someone who is speaking for someone he doesn't know[/size]

Like I've been telling you; [size=16pt]if you fight against mosters, take care lest you become a monster[/size]

4everGod:

Both comments here have nothing to with each other.
My advice to you is for you to measure your words and speak them in a calculated manner which you clearly do not know how to do.
Again you assume someone is a monster without knowing them or even meeting them. Still back to my advice.

hopefulLandlord:


Both comments here have not

4everGod:



Pascal's wager
noun
Philosophy
unpunctuated: Pascals wager; noun: Pascal's wager

the argument that it is in one's own best interest to behave as if God exists, since the possibility of eternal punishment in hell outweighs any advantage in believing otherwise.


Is Seun a believer? NO
Is the poster a believer? YES

Now read Pascals wager again. It clearly is a direct assumption by someone who thinks he knows why folks serve God.

You directed Pascals wager at the poster due to his analogy towards Seun inferring that he just declared why he serves God and i corrected your impression when i said NEVER SPEAK FOR SOMEONE YOU HAVE NEVER MET AND DO NOT KNOW. ONLY SPEAK FOR YOURSELF!

You were also acting on an assumption so spoke as such. I am not in the mood for your arguments this morning. Just wanted to correct your impression.

Seun:
As we interact with religious people, the opportunities will arise. Then, instead of "respecting" their bad ideas, we should challenge them with facts. At some point they'll turn to the authority of the religion they follow, and then we'll get to tell them, "sorry, but I don't believe in that ish". Then they'll be like, "what? everybody believes that ish" Then we'll get to tell them, "well, I don't, and there's no good reason to believe it."

I was inclined to accept this assertion until I realized that the evidence for this comes from testimonies, just like the evidence for miracles, which we know are not happening. Criminals can be "saved", give testimonies about how their lives have been changed, and then continue in it. People can sin repeatedly and pray for forgiveness after each incident, so it's not a real deterrent. I'd like you to give me some examples of former criminals who have left crime completely for spiritual reasons, so we can find out if this hypothetical phenomenon is real.


So you admit that the supreme being you're worshipping might not actually be the supreme being that actually exists. That's a good start!

Whose help do you think they need?

yorex2011:
Do all atheists think that by virtue of their atheism they are more intelligent than others.
If an atheist eventually sees an amputee grow back his limbs, he would still argue that its science, or that its a well delivered prop, even if God shows himself to them, or[b] if they encounter something in their dream, they'll still say it was some sort of illusion and look for a scientific explanation. [/b] They just don't want to believe that there's a God no matter whatever physical proof or encounter that they have. Its just the way things are.

Seun if you see an amputee's limb grow back with your own two eyes after maybe a prayer,
1. Believe there is a God
2. Look for a science to explain it, maybe there's some new revolutionary science, etc
3. Look around for the visual effects or props.

Truth is everyone believes what he wants to believe and even with proofs can still decide to go all "confirmation bias" on the proof / argument.

yorex2011:
Do all atheists think that by virtue of their atheism they are more intelligent than others.
If an atheist eventually sees an amputee grow back his limbs, he would still argue that its science, or that its a well delivered prop, even if God shows himself to them, or if they encounter something in their dream, they'll still say it was some sort of illusion and look for a scientific explanation. They just don't want to believe that there's a God no matter whatever physical proof or encounter that they have. Its just the way things are.

Seun if you see an amputee's limb grow back with your own two eyes after maybe a prayer,
1. Believe there is a God
2. Look for a science to explain it, maybe there's some new revolutionary science, etc
3. Look around for the visual effects or props.

Truth is everyone believes what he wants to believe and even with proofs can still decide to go all "confirmation bias" on the proof / argument.

HCpaul:
Wow! This really makes me feel happy and less reluctant in my pursuit of creating a sane environment where supernatural explanations will be discarded, trashed and eternally buried.

It's indeed that our outspokenness counts once it has successfully planted the seed of sanity in their mind and as well implants every seed of ignorance and delusion. They will reason it and the mind that is bold enough will adopt it with full courage, happiness and outspokenness.

Our outspokenness frees humanity from the scourge of religion into the sane world of human civilization. The main purpose of education is to substitute sanity for religious beliefs and indoctrinations.

Our eloquence will liberates mankind from all oppression of religious propaganda.

But the problem is that apart from online platform, how can we successfully communicate this rational information in our primitive environment filled with primitive homo sapients?

yorex2011:
Do all atheists think that by virtue of their atheism they are more intelligent than others.
If an atheist eventually sees an amputee grow back his limbs, he would still argue that its science, or that its a well delivered prop, even if God shows himself to them, or if they encounter something in their dream, they'll still say it was some sort of illusion and look for a scientific explanation. They just don't want to believe that there's a God no matter whatever physical proof or encounter that they have. Its just the way things are.

Seun if you see an amputee's limb grow back with your own two eyes after maybe a prayer,
1. Believe there is a God
2. Look for a science to explain it, maybe there's some new revolutionary science, etc
3. Look around for the visual effects or props.

Truth is everyone believes what he wants to believe and even with proofs can still decide to go all "confirmation bias" on the proof / argument.

stephenmorris:
if seun won't propose a plan lemee start by saying lets meet somewhere open and discuss all this

ValentineMary:

Lolz do u believe that dreams are spiritual?

ValentineMary:
Seun well done. But there is still one major problem, the religious people u are trying to help would end up hating u.

Reyginus:
What are you talking about? Has he helped himself to begin with? Or you think Atheism is another word for intelligence? Honestly speaking, I'm yet to see an atheist who really has a logical reason for atheism. None.