obinoral1179:
. All you could. do judge me with is my signature? I laugh in swahili..... Its show the level of your thinking....

ZUBY77:


Just like seun said, some degrees of aggression is required to nudge some of you back to reality.

Reyginus:
I don't understand. How can one believe that the believe there's God is false but still say she's not sure there's no God?

Or isn't this the definition of atheism according to Wikipedia correct?

'Atheism is, in the broadest sense, the absence of belief in the existence of deities. Less broadly, atheism is the rejection of belief that any deities exist'

How can one reject the existence of a statement that something exists but still say that he's not sure of what he's saying? Isn't that a logical contradiction?

naijababe:
Religious people are suffering ? How? Explain please with succinct and specific examples, thank you very much.

Like seriously, you believe that if you free me from what you call my delusion I will live a better life like you?
I see your viewpoint which plainly dictates that you are living a better life than I am because you are an atheist and I am not!

And if I am not mistaken, you are suggesting that we should all embrace 'Hedonism', just seek pleasure over pain, in fact emphatically self-pleasure, right?

For many, a better life is beyond money, comfort and pleasure. There is such a thing as contentment, I know it a concept that is by and large alien to the Nigerian society but it exists, you should give it try.I am a person of faith and I came to the knowledge of what I am by knowledge and choice, while many not be that spiritually matured to be that way, a bigger majority are. You need to come down from your high horse and acknowledge that many make these choices deliberately and consciously.

Of course, this drivel will not be complete without a dig at JW or one sect or another, I can also say that many atheist also choose euthanasia/DNR just because they don't want to suffer and then deprive their loved ones of their love and perhaps drive them to a life of addiction and depression. Is doing it for hedonistic reasons more admirable?

You need to open your world view a bit, just using the tiny sample size in mini Ogun State and perhaps Nigeria will not cut it.

Religion is perhaps responsible for some of the finest forms of music, poetry, fine art and so on, I can argue that many of these self expressions have their in religion and the contribution of religion, the religious and influence of religion on the non-religion cannot be ignored. I mean common man, the kind of cult following perpetrated in Nigeria is not always a definition of the religious or religion.

Another crass generalisation, none of the Eastern religions believe in the afterlife as you describe above but in reincarnation, the concept is even completely non existent in Judaism; only Islam and Christianity subscribe to the afterlife thesis.

Now, moving along, I don't know where you got the idea that they believe they have to endure miserable lives in exchange for an imaginary paradise, even in Nigeria, that is a big fat giant lie, in fact the reason why pastors/alfas in Nigeria have a cult following is because the followers want to live 'BETTER LIVES' . Have you noticed that the mental oppressed are the uneducated? Given your well meaning position, what are you doing about that? I have often told people, if you want to know what life was like in medieval Europe, just go to Nigeria, where all power belonged to the clergy and the aristocrats, in current Nigeria substitute aristocrats for politicians. With the advent of Gutenberg's printing press, the Bible became readily available and education no longer remained an exclusive right of titled men or men in robes. That perhaps gave birth to one of the finest periods in history, The Renaissance, otherwise known as the age of Enlightenment, while religion was questioned, it also matured, giving rise more matured and alternative viewpoints some of which persists today. You should consider other 'isms' other than atheism, many religious people have and still choose theism.

Another preposterous generalisation largely applicable to Nigeria, ...

As for prayer, I am sure you know what the placebo effect is, look it up if you you don't know, doctors or science are yet to explain what is responsible for it, there is something belief does for the psyche.

Another Nigerian stereotype, I just tire.

I am against abortion because I am pro-life, in my opinion, it is irresponsible to have sex and get pregnant in this day and age when so many precautionary measures abound

I'd like to ask how abortion can/will encourage any form of sexual accountability when a teenager knows there is always an option of getting an abortion?

Just in case you are ignorant of the facts, abstinence does more than preventing unwanted pregnancies, funny that this paragraph ignores the many ills of premarital sex such as STDs, HIV/AIDS, Hepatitis, and sexual depravity as result of not being emotionally ready to engage in sex I can't shout abeg.

Religious people are against religious sex education

Funny that you chose to cleverly ignore women like Esther, Abigail, Deborah, Lydia, Phoebe or women in Islam such as Aisha, Khadijah, Miriam the wife of Firiaoun or Fatima al-Fihri, look her up, she established the first and oldest university in Morrocco. I will forgive that slight, as an atheist your sojourn into religion is to find only what is wrong never what is right so you may be forgiven for your ignorance of the women above but what about women like Indira Gandhi, Marie Curie, Angela Merkel or even me, naijababe?

Seun:
I wa asked to repond to nairababe's post.

I did. But I want to try to avoid focusing on any particular religion.

I can promise that a lot of things in your life will get better when you abandon the incorrect religious beliefs that you're holding on to. I can also promise you that some things will get worse, such as your relationship with religious people, especially those who have authority over you. This doesn't really matter if you're a person like me who values the truth. I have to be an atheist because there's no evidence for any God.

This is a Nigerian forum and this thread is titled: "Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken". My focus on Nigeria is a feature, not a bug.

The wording of my original statement was wrong.It now says that religious people often choose to live miserable lives in exchange for paradise. This is true. Most religious people's lives are not so bad because they disobey their religion when it suits them. Smart, but dishonest.

As I said, many religious people are opposed to those precautionary measures because they think it will encourage sex, which they think is bad. Some of the biggest religious organizations are opposed to condoms and all contraceptives for this reason. A lot of people have gotten in trouble with religious people because condoms were found in their possession, instead of being given a pat in the back for being responsible.

What the Bleep is sexual accountability? Isn't God going to judge her in your imaginary afterlife? Why not leave the judgment to God? When you force a woman to have a baby she doesn't want, you're punishing the baby as well. That's despicable. A baby is not a punishment for being a slut i.e. a woman who like sex. A baby is a person who deserves to be desired and loved by the people who brought him/her into the world. If you must punish a woman for having sex, by all means feel free to spank her 12 times on the bum after the early stage abortion. The same bleeped up sexual accountability logic is what some religious people are using as the basis for their illogical opposition to contraceptives.

All these things are dramatically reduced by the consistent use of condoms and not having sex with careless people. Except sexual depravity. WTF is that? Abstinence doesn't work because of the "body no be wood" phenomenom. We're biologically programmed to crave sex. Those who rely on abstinence often end up having unsafe sex and suffering the consequences while those who practice safe sex have a good time.

They don't want their daughters to learn about sex and condoms because they think knowledge will encourage their daughters to have sex.

In which holy scriptures did you find Indira Gandhi, Marie Curie, Angela Merkel, Naija Babe, and Fatima al-Fihri? Their name are not listed in any holy scriptures I know. As for the women who appeared in the holy scriptures, why not tell us about their scriptural accomplishments?

KingEbukasBlog:


Ignorance ! Christianity was brought to Nigeria by the Portuguese not the British . The Britons only took part in slave trade for 300 years - this ended in the 1700s . They became fully involved with Nigeria from the 19th century .

Do you know that Africans enslaved the Europeans too during the Barbary Slave trade ?

Britain has been with Christianity for close to 2,000 years and only became arguably non religious in 2016 . This means that deists are preponderant in Britain . Only 7 - 10 percent of Europe's population are atheists .

Let this sink in . Take your time

JackBizzle:


You spit lies faster than a machine-gun fires bullets. There is a lie in every sentence you made.

The portuguese did not stay long or share much of their culture when they came. They were not colonists and only did light trade.

The British brought christianity and not the portuguese. You bloody liar. The first church in Nigeria was not portuguese. The first church came after the british came.

Britain did not exist 2000 years ago. The earliest inhabitants in the area of England were pagans actually. Also, 53 percent of British are not religious.

Get it through your skull that your religion spread through slavery and colonization

JackBizzle:


You spit lies faster than a machine-gun fires bullets. There is a lie in every sentence you made.

raphieMontella:
religion sucks 90percent of the time
cc. raphiemontellla
frm their sacred books to the gullible followers..
All sucks.

KingEbukasBlog:


If you despise religion , logic demands you become irreligious or deistic

raphieMontella:

ive been irreligious..years nd still counting..

i dnt despise religion the way u perceive it...

I personally wud nt want to exterminate religion...t has its good effects in a way...bt has a lot of bad effects also..

The fear of hell has helped kept sm serial killers in check..etc

bt the truth is bitter...religion is a fraud...mind controlling..

In nigeria religion is a legal scam...
Nd such demands reforming or disposition...

ValentineMary:
Seun well done. But there is still one major problem, the religious people u are trying to help would end up hating u.

Isaacmacdon:
I can see the gathering of foolishness. I can only but laugh. Most times when I link atheism to stupidity it seems I'm being too direct. You're creating an awareness in other to achieve a very ridiculous motive. The more you guys put up with this discussing attitude; the more you're increasing the faith. Isn't that foolishness?

Isaacmacdon:
I can see the gathering of foolishness. I can only but laugh. Most times when I link atheism to stupidity it seems I'm being too direct. You're creating an awareness in other to achieve a very ridiculous motive. The more you guys put up with this discussing attitude; the more you're increasing the faith. Isn't that foolishness?

ireneony2:
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But when was the last time you read ur bible

KingEbukasBlog:


I thought I was the only one that noticed it .

Isaacmacdon:
I've been silent for a long time. I feel its time we give them the dose of their own medicine. I'm happy that a lot of christians are beginning to find their feet gradually. The more evil increases, the more the light of goodness shines brightly.

KingEbukasBlog:


On your own

How so ?

Please be specific when you say religion . It is fallacious to generalize - overlooking other facts that refute the generalization because you want a particular type of conclusion to be made .

Christianity has no bad effects . Any ideology that Christian inherently deprecates is simply not of Christianity . The crusaders , KKK and all worth not will surely rot in Hell if they died as sinners because God does not approve of their despicable repugnant activities .

Hell is a deterrent and deterrents restrain you from aberration . If you are serial killer then I don't see how the fear of Hell "checked" you

I consider Christianity as a lifestyle and a religious affiliation . We all know the religions that can be used to manipulate the masses .

False prophets and false religion are thriving because of the illiteracy level and this is outlandish indeed - its 2016 for God's sake

. The main problems with this country are leadership , illiteracy and employment , not religion.

Norway , Ireland ,Switzerland , Italy , England , USA , Germany etc have been with Christianity for years and they are doing so fine . Russia abandoned atheism and flourished immediately . If you are with Christ and you are not doing well know that its your fault - James 2:14-26, Faith without works is dead

North Korea have been with atheism since 1968 and are floundering . Atheistic ideologies are being used to brainwash and control the public and keep them in check . Do you know the kind of malevolence shown to the religious in North Korea ? My God ! Check out this site http://northkoreanchristians.com

Thank God I remembered this : Please Nairalanders , there are only three official atheist countries in the world - China , North Korea and Cuba

A secular country is not an atheist country . Online polls on religious affiliations are not valid data and a religiously unaffiliated person is not an atheist .

Thank you !

Isaacmacdon:
Are ready for this right now?, kindly Stay away from me or my post cos you won't like my next line of action.

hopefulLandlord:


Hey brother

Google " Pascal's wager" and be more enlightened

" the argument that it is in one's own best interest to behave as if God exists, since the possibility of eternal punishment in hell outweighs any advantage in believing otherwise."

Thanks

If God does not exist, it does not matter how you wager, for there is nothing to win after death and nothing to lose after death. But if God does exist, your only chance of winning eternal happiness is to believe, and your only chance of losing it is to refuse to believe. As Pascal says, "I should be much more afraid of being mistaken and then finding out that Christianity is true than of being mistaken in believing it to be true." If you believe too much, you neither win nor lose eternal happiness. But if you believe too little, you risk losing everything.

HCpaul:


I hate that statement with passion. How can you say that you have nothing to loose if later you realize that the whole thing is a prank.

What you are trying to say is that you are ready to spend the rest of your life in confusion and misfortune.

There cannot be a God who will be wise enough to create the universe but his standard will be as primitive as it is been documented in the Bible.

People like you aren't contributing to life and I see no reason why you should be allow to live in a world where genius live.
If you know what we got to loose you will not open your mouth and be spelling out this bullshit.

If only you are not ignorant of ignorance, you will realize that it only takes ignorance to act in such way.

But fear prompted you though.