timpaker:
Which religion is against poetry, Mr. Seun?

cloudgoddess:

Then you've either completely closed your mind to the points put forth by atheists (like many theists automatically do) or you're deluding yourself.

No offense, but I genuinely fail to see how any reasonable person who has processed & understood atheist arguments can make this claim.

ValentineMary:
Seun well done. But there is still one major problem, the religious people u are trying to help would end up hating u.

analice107:

Mr Seun is referring to Islam, but too scared to call it by name.

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Islam is not against poetry, infact I have friends in Turkey, Iran and Saudi Arabia who are great poets one of them even teaches in a college at Istanbul.

Last year I read a poem by one dude from Damascus (unfortunately he was killed this year by ISIS fighters in Syria) and it was dope! I don't think Islam forbids poetry or critical writing.

Someone mentioned (Plaetton) here that the Judeo- Christian are against poetry even though he didn't explain just like the way I wanted Seun to explain why a religion would be against such a marvellous thing that speaks the voice of one's heart, but I have taken it upon myself to research on it.

On one of the poetry forums I belong to, the Muslim are amongst the best poet, need I say the Indians and Pakistanis are arguably better poet's than the Englishman. I guess that explains why their songs, movies and culture revolves around it while the Pakistanis are just superb in their delivery.

Even Maclatunji loves poetry even though he's too shy to write for us to read.
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plaetton:


If something is always always prone to misinterpretation and abuse, then it is obviously flawed.

Even an effective drug with too much side effects are usually banned from the market.

If religion was any good, it wouldn't be prone to all the problems associated with it.

Do you know the main thing that is wrong with religion ?

It is not grounded on reality, but on myths and fantasies.

timpaker:




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Islam is not against poetry, infact I have friends in Turkey, Iran and Saudi Arabia who are great poets one of them even teaches in a college at Istanbul.

Last year I read a poem by one dude from Damascus (unfortunately he was killed this year by ISIS fighters in Syria) and it was dope! I don't think Islam forbids poetry or critical writing.

Someone mentioned (Plaetton) here that the Judeo- Christian are against poetry even though he didn't explain just like the way I wanted Seun to explain why a religion would be against such a marvellous thing that speaks the voice of one's heart, but I have taken it upon myself to research on it.

On one of the poetry forums I belong to, the Muslim are amongst the best poet, need I say the Indians and Pakistanis are arguably better poet's than the Englishman. I guess that explains why their songs, movies and culture revolves around it while the Pakistanis are just superb in their delivery.

Even Maclatunji loves poetry even though he's too shy to write for us to read.
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Farmerforlife:


This is an ambiguous statement. What do you mean by 'virtually all'? And what do you take to be the basis for religion? That there is One Creator? How do you know that this is incorrect? At best, you can say that it is not certain to be correct at this time, unless you have real evidence that God cannot possibly exist, in which case, I would love to hear what that is.

The mind of man is also filled with 'garbage', in that good and bad without recourse to Religion's input are based on upbringing, personal prejudices and biases, as well as deficient knowledge. Decision making based on man's finite wisdom is more likely to result in harm to you and people around you, than decision making based on the infinite wisdom of the Manufacturer of the Universe.

ayobase:


I'm praying for you brother.

I have two options, but you have only one.

Option 1: If there is indeed no afterlife, then you and I have nothing to lose.

Option 2: If there is indeed afterlife, then I have nothing to lose (with conditions met), but you lose.


A very brilliant and self-confident student seeking admission into the University will still take both WAEC and NECO to nullifying odds.


I have actually been praying for you, Seun Osewa since the day I discovered you are an atheist.

Have you asked yourself the question; "What if there is afterlife?

Think about it deeply.

Acidosis:
I don't have to read the posts here, but why don't you all spend your time preaching against illiteracy?

Illiteracy rate in Nigeria is high; we have more illiterate than religious folks. Many people don't go to Churches by the way. However, we have more agberos on the streets of Lagos who cannot compose the simplest English statement.

To persons (e.g. me) who had the opportunity to gain education, sorry, a million atheists cannot convince me that there is no supreme being somewhere. Don't waste your time. We have gained enough education to know what's best for us.

Channel this energy to Illiteracy rate, it is almost higher in Nigeria than any nation in the world. (#fact from Data).

Omooba77:


Nobody hates any one,God is love,Jesus the way to heaven

HCpaul:


I hate that statement with passion. How can you say that you have nothing to loose if later you realize that the whole thing is a prank.

What you are trying to say is that you are ready to spend the rest of your life in confusion and misfortune.

There cannot be a God who will be wise enough to create the universe but his standard will be as primitive as it is been documented in the Bible.

People like you aren't contributing to life and I see no reason why you should be allow to live in a world where genius live.
If you know what we got to loose you will not open your mouth and be spelling out this bullshit.

If only you are not ignorant of ignorance, you will realize that it only takes ignorance to act in such way.

But fear prompted you though.

Reyginus:
What are you talking about? Has he helped himself to begin with? Or you think Atheism is another word for intelligence? Honestly speaking, I'm yet to see an atheist who really has a logical reason for atheism. None.

yorex2011:


Do you think its possible to dream of something and days later, it happens the EXACTLY way you saw it in the dream,
The odds that its a coincidence is very very very small
Then if that's the case, then it might exist that there was some unexplainable force behind that dream.

timpaker:






[b]
Islam is not against poetry, infact I have friends in Turkey, Iran and Saudi Arabia who are great poets one of them even teaches in a college at Istanbul.

Last year I read a poem by one dude from Damascus (unfortunately he was killed this year by ISIS fighters in Syria) and it was dope! I don't think Islam forbids poetry or critical writing.

Someone mentioned (Plaetton) here that the Judeo- Christian are against poetry even though he didn't explain just like the way I wanted Seun to explain why a religion would be against such a marvellous thing that speaks the voice of one's heart, but I have taken it upon myself to research on it.

On one of the poetry forums I belong to, the Muslim are amongst the best poet, need I say the Indians and Pakistanis are arguably better poet's than the Englishman. I guess that explains why their songs, movies and culture revolves around it while the Pakistanis are just superb in their delivery.

Even Maclatunji loves poetry even though he's too shy to write for us to read.
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ValentineMary:

We both know the bold text is a fat lie.

Reyginus:
What are you talking about? Has he helped himself to begin with? Or you think Atheism is another word for intelligence? Honestly speaking, I'm yet to see an atheist who really has a logical reason for atheism. None.

yorex2011:

No we don't

An0nimus:
Seun please respond to naijababe's detailed reply to your first post.

Seun:
Religious People Are Suffering & They Need Our Help

People often ask outspoken atheists why they like to argue with religious people. "If you don't believe in God", they ask, "why do you spend so much time attacking people's religious beliefs?" They often respond by saying, "religious people keep trying to impose their religious beliefs on us through evangelism and politics, so we have to defend ourselves." Atheists who don't feel threatened usually choose to remain silent. I used to be a pretty quiet atheist myself, until I noticed something about religious people that I hadn't noticed before. Religious people are suffering!

Religion is not a harmless delusion. It's not a benign folly that merely wastes people's time. It's a malignant malady that systematically robs the majority of humanity of their freedom, pleasure, joy, comfort, knowledge, intelligence, health, money, lives, and much more. It would be selfish of us as atheists who are free from religion not to make every effort to free people from religion so that they can have much better lives.

Many religious people are not allowed to have blood transfusions. This means thousands of religious men, women and children have died from treatable medical conditions, such as pregnancies with any kind of complications, non-fatal car accidents, treatable gunshot wounds, etc. simply because they are not allowed to accept blood transfusions. So many children have become orphans needlessly; so many men and women became widows and widowers; so many fathers and mothers lost their children. All because of a religious rule that make no sense at all.

Many religious people are forbidden by their religions from enjoying most of the good things in life. Things like secular or instrumental music, fine art, poetry, sculpture, owning dogs, wearing make-up, friendship with the opposite sex, eating ram meat, eating sausages, pleasuring yourself or the opposite sex, watching fantasy movies or reading fantasy novels like harry potter, making friends outside the religion, dancing, tattoos, playing ludo because it relies on luck, barbie dolls, sexy clothes etc. Can you imagine what your life would be like if you had to forgo most of these wonderful things? Horribly boring. You'd probably kill yourself. I guess that's why many religious people are violent.

Most religious people believe in the afterlife. As a result, instead of focusing on the current life and making it as enjoyable as possible for themselves, their friends, and family members, they often endure shitty and miserable lives in the hope that they'll be rewarded after they die. An extreme case of this is the case of suicide bombers and religious fighters who embrace violent deaths for the sake of an imaginary paradise.

Many religious people are pressured to give a sizable proportion of their income to the religious establishments they worship with. Poor people are taught that the best way to get rich is not to save their money and invest in education and entrepreneurship, but to "sow" it by giving it to their rich religious leaders who will use it to live flamboyantly, and build religious monuments to attract more cash cows. When this stupid idea of "sowing"doesn't make the poor people rich, they are told that it's because they don't have faith, have sin in their lives, etc.

Many religious people are made to believe that the secret to good health and healing is prayer, having been brainwashed by dishonest sermons and misleading testimonies. When they have health problems, instead of going to good hospitals, they embark on prayer and fasting. When their friends slump due to heart attacks or strokes or seizures, they start praying on them instead of rushing them to good hospitals where they can get competent medical help. People have died of curable diseases like malaria because they didn't accept treatment until it was too late.

Many religious people are tolerant and liberal by nature, but due to certain verses in their holy scriptures, they feel that they must be intolerant of various groups of people that God supposedly doesn't like, such as lesbians and transexuals. They are against abortion, which they think is murder, but also against sex education, which reduces abortion rates dramatically, because they think it may encourage premarital safe sex. As a result their daughters end up getting pregnant outside wedlock, having illegal abortions, and dying despite their opposition to abortion.

Many religious people are women, and it sucks to be them because the scriptures of the major religions are clearly sexist. One scripture claims that women must be quiet and submit to men because man were created first and woman came from man, which is rather suspicious because in real life it's women who give birth to men. Another scripture proudly asserts that woman are deficient in intelligence and piety. There are almost no female prophets, apostles or disciples. The few famous women in major scriptures are famous not for personal exploits but for giving birth to important men, marrying them, or leading them astray (Eve, Jezebel). Religious women can't live up to their full potential.

And don't even get me started on the horrible treatment of "demon-possessed" people (the mentally ill) and "child witches".

Clearly, religious people are suffering. Our parents, siblings, and children. Our friends, crushes, and admirers. Our colleague, bosses, and employees. To save them, we who are atheists must come out of our closets and start speaking out; challenging them and educating them.

9jacrip:



What is the difference between you, the educated who thinks praying in water or laying hands heal diseases and those who never got a formal education?

One is able to write English and speak along the lines of a discipline while other is unable to but in the end, you both believe in things that calls your education into question.

Religion is a major contributor to illiteracy. It has grounded academia to a halt; tertiary institutions arenow breeding grounds for future pastors & imams where millions throng to different sects of the two religions looking for miracles in getting As, curing sicknesses & other forms of magic rather than drowning in whatever field they are & contributing to humanity.

Education + Religion = illiteracy.

An0nimus:
Seun please respond to naijababe's detailed reply to your first post.

maclatunji:


I am yet to read that you walked the streets of Ota or Lagos naked and you went about smoking weed because you obviously are free to do whatever you like in your mind.

In addition, it is quite hypocritical for you to have rules on Nairaland because you feel religious rules limit freedoms and are such a source of pain.

Let us kuku now that you are a promoter of anarchy in the name of freedom.

In fact, let every thread created on Nairaland be a front page thread.

Would that not be beautifully free and painless for everyone?

Touchnot01:
He cant. If he does, it will be the usual unsupported and ignorant claims. I used to think he was so smart. He is not as smart. He is just an atheist who gets angry by the day.

Seun:
Ok, I will do that, but she doesn't seem to have refuted any of my points.

ireneony2:
i never wanted to comment but i ve to.

Like seriously...someone being an atheist does not mean he lacks moral upbringing thou

Your comment is the worst post on this thread.

ZUBY77:


Logical reason?
Are you certain you know the meaning of Logic?

ValentineMary:

I am sure even many of ur theist would disagree with u at the bold text.