EyeHateGod:

promise10:

This is the most ILLOGICAL and FOOLISH comment I have EVER seen on NL about God!!

Yes, of course! NOTHING COMES FROM NOTHING. It will only require a STRONG faith to believe otherwise.

I DON'T believe that God CAME OUT from nothing! Just wake up from this wicked delusion!

What do you mean by the word "ETERNAL"? Sorry please, but if I may ask, are you sure you went to school?

Eternal means AGELESS, TIMELESS.

promise10:

See as e be!

As if the God you hate even bother, bro you are just sick. That's my opinion for now, not an insult.

shadeyinka:


Lets go back to the issue.
The Newtons first law is easy to comprehend. If there is no external force/action, there is no change!

That is, change is always as a result of an external action.
If the Universe is expanding, logic tells us that at a point in time, it must be localized. Theists have an answer for what this force is even if it is impossible to bring the force into the laboratory-GOD.

What is the Atheists explanation?

shadeyinka:


I have no objection to the Big bang theory. It is a known fact that the universe is expanding.

I am just using the funder mental laws of physics to probe the origin of the universe, and I am getting a conviction that at some points in time, those laws were violated.

this points me to some other forces which may not be physical. The theists will call that force God.

EyeHateGod:

I don't understand Ur questions but to give U an idea of the singularity n the big bang @ it early stage I'll ask U When U Heat something Eg rubber or even metal what happens?

EyeHateGod:

Define God!

SirWere:


None. Absolutely none. However; unless such God(s) are proven; should it not be better to put it out as an open question??

SirWere:

Gnosticism is a position of "I know"

Agnosticism is a position of "I don't know"

Theism is a position "There is a personal God"


Atheism is a position of "There is no God"


I'm an agnostic atheist. I don't really believe in the existence of a god because I DON'T KNOW whether such a divine force exists. Hence; my position is that of an open question; devoid of insults or strawman fallacies.....from both sides.

SirWere:

I do not know YOUR definition of faith; brother. However; I don't subscribe to have the blind faith adherents to religion has.

Faith is just a projection of your Trust in the Integrity of an individual/person/deity/body of knowledge.

SirWere:

Eternity ke You die; you die. The end. No fluffy rainbows or flying horses. We have one life to live. Eternity is a really really long time, you know.

SirWere:


Walahi; I don't understand this part.

promise10:


They know ALL thes things, just that most of them simply hate God. That's all!

CoolUsername:


That's vacuum energy, bro. It occurs in empty space (nothing).

CoolUsername:


That concerns momentum and position.

EyeHateGod:

Have U not quote this post b4 and then U skiped n decided to come back to quote it again

promise10:

This is the most ILLOGICAL and FOOLISH comment I have EVER seen on NL about God!!

Yes, of course! NOTHING COMES FROM NOTHING. It will only require a STRONG faith to believe otherwise.

I DON'T believe that God CAME OUT from nothing! Just wake up from this wicked delusion!

What do you mean by the word "ETERNAL"? Sorry please, but if I may ask, are you sure you went to school?

Eternal means AGELESS, TIMELESS.

If theists should believe that God AT A POINT IN TIME CAME FROM NOTHING, how then can we say that God is AGELESS? Do you even think?

If God AT A POINT IN TIME REALLY CAME FROM NOTHING, it simply means that GOD IS NOT GOD. He is NOT SUPREME! HE HAS AN AGE just like we have 30yrs old, 50yrs old. HE IS NOT ETERNAL! HE IS SUBJECT TO CAUSE AND EFFECT because his existence is as a result of the EFFECT OF A CAUSE.

Please take up the courage and open a thread on this topic. It's gon' be strictly between both of us. Hope you will learn.

EyeHateGod:

I don't have anything to do with God rather I have a problem with religion U get that?

EyeHateGod:

See them if God is eternal how do U explain the earth/universe to be 6000 years old? Or let's even go with science how do U explain it to be 13.7biillion years? Meaning trillions and trillions and trillions of years where wasted? Until 6000 years ago?

Mailthaddeus:


I doubt if they have any, rather than rely on science to bring an answer someday.
Another thing they forget is that even theists are scientists, and in all their knowledge abt science, they have consistently meet up wit challenges that defiled human explanation.

Immorttal:
i love your understanding of the universe. The physical realm is not all there is, and theist who attribute the creation of the universe to God is high on S.K a 'God' who created the universe as vast as it is would still notice you and even need your worship, they even created him with some physical human attributes, a supreme beign,lmao. Aisaiah said that he saw the ancient of days sitting in his throne,his head is white like wool,,,... The above will make you realise that God was created by men.Period

shadeyinka:


Who says God need anyone's worship?
Both the Theists and Atheists have a position of the certainty of knowledge.

Atheists: Absolutely sure the exist no God/ gods
Theists: Absolutely sure God/gods exist

Both with no laboratory proof for God is not subject to the physical laws.

You quoting Isaiah: Don't you know that the language of the spirit to mortals is imagery. There is no fixed form of any personality in the spirit...I forget, you can't understand for now.

shadeyinka:


You speak like everything must have a prove before you take your stand about issues: but that is not true! There are many things you believe without the prove of validity. Have you ever been in love? How certain are you about that?





Are there gnostic atheists or gnostic theists?

I don't know may not be the same as I am not sure neither is it the case of[b] I don't care[/b].

Agnosticism is loosely defined. In your case, it is not that you seek an answer to the existence of God. Yours is a conclusion! The qualification agnostic atheist doesn't hold. You are either an atheist or not!








Are you sure? 100% sure?
Since you have never been dead before, that requires an incredible Faith in Science.




You are incredibility strong in your Faith. You have never tasted death yet you know for certain that when you die, you cease existing. ..You are so sure that God doesn't exist(never mind the agnostic prefix to your atheism).

If you got it wrong, what a gamble with eternity. You are strong indeed!

Immorttal:
i fully understand your last paragraph, oh yeah. I once thought of it,knowledge is what seperates each realm to another. But is it rational to believe that a supreme being would crave worship from error prone humans to the extent of putting them to death if they refuse to worship him? I Am Not Understanding.

endtimeshit:
Good point. They even say the Universe is soon going to experience 'The big crunch' which will reduce the universe to a dot in space.for the universe to be crushed, an external force has to be applied. Science would never agree these force is from God..this should make fp

promise10:

You see why I consider most atheists as FOOLISH PEOPLE?

So, that makes it(big-bang) right abi?

SirWere:


I give up; I cannot argue against someone who would not listen to my stand and prefers to use his own box of reasoning.


I give up.

shadeyinka:



Even though this post is off point, however, you should know that the More VALUABLE a Concept or Commodity is, the more the counterfeits of same that will exist.

There are both Positive and negative spiritual influences in the Universe therefor i expect that there will be deceptions as strategies of war and conflict between them....

I hope you dont belong to the negative camp...the anti-God the creator

shadeyinka:


I have no objection to the Big bang theory. It is a known fact that the universe is expanding.

I am just using the funder mental laws of physics to probe the origin of the universe, and I am getting a conviction that at some points in time, those laws were violated.


this points me to some other forces which may not be physical. The theists will call that force God.

Earlier u said ur knowledge of physics is limited then how did u come to the bolded conclusion was it because of ur ignorance? if God is put where we still don't know, then God would be an ever receding pocket of scientific discoveries.

shadeyinka:
Newton's first law of motion - sometimes referred to as the law of inertia states that:


This brings the question: At time t=0 (before the big bang), was space constituent static? Expanding universe actually show that at a time, the universe must essentially be a "point object".

If that is true, how come an "expansion of the universe" was initiated without an "external " cause?

Sorry, my understanding of Basic Physics is limited.

It takes a greater Faith being an Atheist!

shadeyinka:


Sorry Bro if it looks like that. I am listening to you, I guess we look at the same things through different portals.

I just want to show that if the Science we believe in so much has GAPS and uncertainties, should we gamble with our eternity based on it?
If I die today and discover that there is no God and no Eternity, what would i have lost?
On the other hand, if You die in your good old ripe Age and discover that God exists, hell exists and life still exists, what would you gain?

Jesus Saves

shadeyinka:


If Scientists cannot be too sure and certain of the origin of the universe, then how can they be sure that there is no "Other Rules/Forces" which may not obey all our physical laws.

Here, you will notice that i talk about probability. If the premise of the Atheist is wrong, would it not be because of an obstinate conclusion of certainty over what has a probability.

if the fundamental law of Physics is broken, then there must be some other un-accounted force in operation. theists will say :that the scientifically unaccounted force is God.

shadeyinka:


Sorry Bro if it looks like that. I am listening to you, I guess we look at the same things through different portals.

I just want to show that if the Science we believe in so much has GAPS and uncertainties, should we gamble with our eternity based on it?
If I die today and discover that there is no God and no Eternity, what would i have lost?
On the other hand, if You die in your good old ripe Age and discover that God exists, hell exists and life still exists, what would you gain?

Jesus Saves

shadeyinka:


Why not drag science into it? An Atheist does not believe in any Scripture, neither does he believe in any spirit. The only way to reach an atheist is through science and logics.

promise10:

I have told you to open a thread on this unintelligent topic of multiple gods. How I wish you will do so, so that we can know how much we will learn.

ValentineMary:

You claimed my post is senseless even though some theist even disagree, u went further to make less sense.