rvp2017:
Indeed Nigeria despite cooking their GDP knows they cannot compete. I mean it like TZ in EAC. Kenya is mixing up with Egypt in COMESA - and we try our best - because we know - even if you fear South Africa or Egypt..what will you do with China? India? developed world? Their products even if you impose taxes and all barriers will still be cheap.Nigeria simply has no serious manufacturing....that is why Dangote is running roughshold over them...and has made money by unfair practices that cannot be allowed in a modern country.

As far as manufacturing goes...the big boys in Africa are undoubtedly South Africa, Egypt, Morroco and Kenya. Nigeria is struggling against Benin.Kenya products find it's way as far down as Zambia, west as Congo and north as Sudan...against strong competition from South Africa and Egypt.

I really doubt Nigeria has value chain needed for manufacturing - they've huge disorganized consumer market with very little spending power to me. Their retail sector is undeveloped. Kenya is slowing catching up with South Africa in both fronts.

Kenya manufacturing industry bigger than Nigeria's?


Mr. Google pls show us proof..

Let's see the data of ur country's manufacturing industry

I can't find any Kenyan company on this list... ...Or is it the usual "cooked data" ?



http://www.africaranking.com/biggest-companies-in-africa/5/

Despite the huge recession in 2016 and other calamities brought on the country by bubu's government, our export still ranked well on the continent... yea,there was a sharp decease and stuff but as at 2016, Nigeria's export value was 35.5billion USD well below south Africa's, but far far fat ahead of the big mouthed folks from the far east
.Heck! even Ghana topped them..and Tanzania too




Before Mr Google calls it "cooked figures", the sources of the data are included... ..



http://www.worldstopexports.com/top-african-export-countries/

1) Export of what? Oil? Oil is like 95% of you export and revenues remember
2) How can we objectively compare kenya and Nigeria - when you source data [nigeria stats] is COOKED?

Danielnino00:
Despite the huge recession in 2016 and other calamities brought on the country by bubu's government, our export still ranked well on the continent... yea,there was a sharp decease and stuff but as at 2016, Nigeria's export value was 35.5billion USD well below south Africa's, but far far fat ahead of the big mouthed folks from the far east
.Heck! even Ghana topped them..and Tanzania too




Before Mr Google calls it "cooked figures", the sources of the data are included... ..



http://www.worldstopexports.com/top-african-export-countries/

Because most of Nigeria data is OBVIOUSLY over-cooked and unreliable (and that unfortunately is what everyone -wb/imf/cia- has to relie on); we have to find secondary sources of data to compare. One good example we can use is AGOA. Both Kenya and Nigeria are allowed duty free export to US market for many products (300 plus) under AGOA (Africa Growth and Opportuntiy Act) and it's good way to compare Kenya and Nigeria manufacturing. Remove Oil from Nigeria's AGOA trade - and there is nothing.

Remove Angola, Gabon and Nigeria Oil from AGOA - and Kenya leads sub-saharan Africa in exporting MANUFACTURED GOODS to the US of A under AGOA- never mind Nigeria is on the Atlantic and is nearer US of A.

Kenya's apparel export under AGOA is huge - so much the jeans you buy in NewYork is probably made in kenya. We are not talking chicken shiet siju Abu or ODU or whatever "manufacturing" - that re-packages chinese finished products in Lagos and distribute them. We are talking Kenyans making the Calvin Klein you will spend a fortune to buy in New york or California.

This is why your shie.t "manufacturers" cannot countenance free africa trade ---and are crying like small babies - yet officially they claim to be giant. Open up your market - and kenyan goods will flood your supermarket (the few you've got - that aren't already RSA dominated) - way more quality for way cheaper prices.

Danielnino00:
Despite the huge recession in 2016 and other calamities brought on the country by bubu's government, our export still ranked well on the continent... yea,there was a sharp decease and stuff but as at 2016, Nigeria's export value was 35.5billion USD well below south Africa's, but far far fat ahead of the big mouthed folks from the far east
.Heck! even Ghana topped them..and Tanzania too




Before Mr Google calls it "cooked figures", the sources of the data are included... ..



http://www.worldstopexports.com/top-african-export-countries/

1738 messages from 22 chats and 84 tabs. . Oga, wetin happen??

Actually AGOA allows 6500 products from Africa to access USA market DUTY FREE and Nigeria just like banana republic Gabon, Chad and Angola can only sell OIL duty free to US. Nothing value-added. Just crude OIL. And they talk of manufacturing. Nigeria can only export crude oil - worth 3B dollars..while KENYA IS ON ITS WAY TO NEARLY 1B dollars worth of value-added export to US - mostly manufactured - never mind the distance.

Daejoyoung:

Read this from the guardian again to see why we did not sign and not the trash you wrote from feelings and hearsay.

[b]Secondly, critical issues raised by MAN truly require full answers. The area of major concern is how are we going to enforce the rules of Origin? The inconvenient truth is that except for a few countries – Egypt, Morocco, Kenya, Nigeria and South Africa, there is little real, manufacturing going on in much of Africa. Primary commodities yes, but not manufacturing. Today Nigeria perhaps has the largest manufacturing base outside South Africa.

In normal circumstances that should give Nigeria an advantage as it could easily seize the new open market opportunities to dominate the African market in manufactured goods. But experience from the ECOWAS Common External tariff (CET) for example, seem to dampen the enthusiasm of Nigerian manufacturers. It has been alleged that foreign companies set up ‘shell ‘ manufacturing companies in neighburing African countries and simply import finished or almost-finished products into such countries and subsequently off load them on the Nigerian market, often at lower prices than local manufacture. Matter is worsened for Nigerian manufacturers because much of their products are globally uncompetitive due to infrastructural deficits, especially power and the overall high cost of doing business. Thus Nigerian manufacturers suffer double jeopardy.

They cannot easily export to other African Countries because those countries have easy access to cheaper imports from Asia and Latin America especially. And then in the domestic market, the free import of what one may call pseudo- manufactured goods or what really are trans-shipped finished goods using African Countries as ‘transit camps’ compromise the viability of the locally manufactured goods. That is the fear of the local manufacturers.

It is this reality that has made the growth of the export of Nigeria’s manufactured goods to remain dismal and indeed has forced many Nigerian manufacturers to focus almost exclusively on the domestic market. This is the reason crude petroleum has remained the major export and foreign exchange earning item on the Nigeria’s economic menu. But having said all these, I still believe that in the long run it is imperative that Nigeria signs the treaty and joins the Continental Free Trade area (CFTA)[/b]

I say in nigeria we do not have industries. In 2016 are industrial outputs was 18% of gdp today what is less than 12%. the industries we have do not manufacture all they do is import in bulk and repackage not manufacturing. A good example is powdered milk, butter, salts, cooking oil and a lot more are imported in bulk and repackaged in nigeria. South africa, kenya, ethiopia, ghana, zimbabwe all exports more to us them we export to them. The industries and not there they're just repackaging warehouses. See article below.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/382311/nigeria-gdp-distribution-across-economic-sectors/

Absolutely on point - it's merely repackaging - finished chinese goods. zero value addition. That is why they are scared of Africa Free Trade.

sufferNsmiling:

I say in nigeria we do not have industries. In 2016 are industrial outputs was 18% of gdp today what is less than 12%. the industries we have do not manufacture all they do is import in bulk and repackage not manufacturing. A good example is powdered milk, butter, salts, cooking oil and a lot more are imported in bulk and repackaged in nigeria. South africa, kenya, ethiopia, ghana, zimbabwe all exports more to us them we export to them. The industries and not there they're just repackaging warehouses. See article below.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/382311/nigeria-gdp-distribution-across-economic-sectors/

rvp2017:
Absolutely on point - it's merely repackaging - finished chinese goods. zero value addition. That is why they are scared of Africa Free Trade.

rvp2017 Most of we nigerians are stack illiterate we know nothing about building a country or developing a country what we know is the lies which are politicians feed to us day and night and then we start telling ourselves we know how to build a country why are children run to other countries like termites and soldier ants.

Danielnino00:
Despite the huge recession in 2016 and other calamities brought on the country by bubu's government, our export still ranked well on the continent... yea,there was a sharp decease and stuff but as at 2016, Nigeria's export value was 35.5billion USD well below south Africa's, but far far fat ahead of the big mouthed folks from the far east
.Heck! even Ghana topped them..and Tanzania too




Before Mr Google calls it "cooked figures", the sources of the data are included... ..



http://www.worldstopexports.com/top-african-export-countries/

Even Tanzania exported more than the stupiid kenyattas.

Daejoyoung:

Again for the last time ( tired of repeating myself). Population is a major ingredient influencing GDP growth( or a factor in a large or small gdp) but GDP by itself is not measured based on population? Do l still need to break this down or do you want to google?

No no that's a major lie from a fake "kitchen" economist.

Norway ,Sweden ,Netherlands etc have large GDP's yet they have small populations. High or low Productivity based on the big factor of human development is the real determinant of how large a GDP can be.Don't let a huge GDP like India's or Philippines fools you coz those nations are low productivity GDP 's.

shervydman:

1738 messages from 22 chats and 84 tabs. . Oga, wetin happen??

Most of those messages are from the Numidia WhatsApp groups I belong to... Mostly football groups that contain fans from many part of the world,Kenya inclusive. trust me I get a lot of stories about the country from there... . the ones flexing muscles here are very patriotic


As for the tabs,I hardly close my browsing tabs... I simply open a new one even when the old one is not in use

This Rvp guy is a pathetic liar... He says Kenya exports finished goods! what goods?

The links below are data of Kenya export including it's top destination...maybe the data was cooked by Nigerians...While Kenya's main export destination is Uganda, somebody is talking about the US


http://www.worldstopexports.com/kenyas-top-10-exports/




https://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/ken/

Danielnino00:
Despite the huge recession in 2016 and other calamities brought on the country by bubu's government, our export still ranked well on the continent... yea,there was a sharp decease and stuff but as at 2016, Nigeria's export value was 35.5billion USD well below south Africa's, but far far fat ahead of the big mouthed folks from the far east
.Heck! even Ghana topped them..and Tanzania too




Before Mr Google calls it "cooked figures", the sources of the data are included... ..



http://www.worldstopexports.com/top-african-export-countries/

Tanzanians exporting more than us? Wt heck! They are our punching bags. It must be the minerals

Muafrika2:



Nigeria's fear of the African Free Trade area reminds me of Tanzania and its fear of having to compete with Kenya in the EAC

They should be We'll be there in a flash selling them our fresh food, manufactured goods, petroleum products

TayserMahiri:


Tanzanians exporting more than us? Wt heck! They are our punching bags. It must be the minerals

Seriously, the way Kenyans boast ehn, one would think Kenya is a technological advanced country like Japan.

Good to know that we are in an age of data and facts. Kenyans always get embarrased when facts are put forward.

sufferNsmiling:
Our president did not sign because we have no industries left, most of the industries have parked out to other countries example in 1980 japan had 380 industries in nigeria today it is less than 6 industries. Most nigerians invest in other countries billions of us dollar. Our president cannot sign a deal for something we do not have . Over 80% of goods in nigeria are imported so what is he going to sign imported products example [b]palm oil, rice and gary are smuggled into nigeria from benin republic.[/b]

That's sad. I thought these were Nigerian products. Not even gari

Danielnino00:
Despite the huge recession in 2016 and other calamities brought on the country by bubu's government, our export still ranked well on the continent... yea,there was a sharp decease and stuff but as at 2016, Nigeria's export value was 35.5billion USD well below south Africa's, but far far fat ahead of the big mouthed folks from the far east
.Heck! even Ghana topped them..and Tanzania too




Before Mr Google calls it "cooked figures", the sources of the data are included... ..



http://www.worldstopexports.com/top-african-export-countries/

Am pretty sure you only exported oil,

Nowenuse:



Seriously, the way Kenyans boast ehn, one would think Kenya is a technological advanced country like Japan.

Good to know that we are in an age of data and facts. Kenyans always get embarrased when facts are put forward.

Check the highlight from OPEC. 95% of Nigerian revenue is oil

So, I guess the remaining 5% comes from PAYE And export of repackaged goods?

Bifwoli:


No no that's a major lie from a fake "kitchen" economist.

Norway ,Sweden ,Netherlands etc have large GDP's yet they have small populations. High or low Productivity based on the big factor of human development is the real determinant of how large a GDP can be.Don't let a huge GDP like India's or Philippines fools you coz those nations are low productivity GDP 's.

Try to understand the point. Norway, Sweden, Netherlands would have had even larger gdp's if they had larger populations. The countries you mentioned are all wealthier than lndia on the average but they have lesser GDP to that of lndia.

sufferNsmiling:




I say in nigeria we do not have industries. In 2016 are industrial outputs was 18% of gdp today what is less than 12%. the industries we have do not manufacture all they do is import in bulk and repackage not manufacturing. A good example is powdered milk, butter, salts, cooking oil and a lot more are imported in bulk and repackaged in nigeria. South africa, kenya, ethiopia, ghana, zimbabwe all exports more to us them we export to them. The industries and not there they're just repackaging warehouses. See article below.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/382311/nigeria-gdp-distribution-across-economic-sectors/

l wonder how the article supports your assertion above. You generalize too much, give me facts.

Danielnino00:
Despite the huge recession in 2016 and other calamities brought on the country by bubu's government, our export still ranked well on the continent... yea,there was a sharp decease and stuff but as at 2016, Nigeria's export value was 35.5billion USD well below south Africa's, but far far fat ahead of the big mouthed folks from the far east
.Heck! even Ghana topped them..and Tanzania too




Before Mr Google calls it "cooked figures", the sources of the data are included... ..



http://www.worldstopexports.com/top-african-export-countries/

They will tell you it's a cooked data just to console themselves

rvp2017:
1) Export of what? Oil? Oil is like 95% of you export and revenues remember
2) How can we objectively compare kenya and Nigeria - when you source data [nigeria stats] is COOKED?

Nigerian stats is cooked, then go cook yours, boil it and add ingredients

rvp2017:
1) Export of what? Oil? Oil is like 95% of you export and revenues remember
2) How can we objectively compare kenya and Nigeria - when you source data [nigeria stats] is COOKED?

When you have no answer, all you cry is cooked data. lt's getting stale already.

Muafrika2:

Check the highlight from OPEC. 95% of Nigerian revenue is oil

So, I guess the remaining 5% comes from PAYE And export of repackaged goods?

Lol, where did u see 95%?

The statement before ur selected statement says "oil is 35% of Nigeria's GDP" can u explain to rvp2017 what that means?

How will that help us? You don't eat cooked stats. I have given you a good example - AGOA - let us compare what you export and what we do?

Daejoyoung:

Nigerian stats is cooked, then go cook yours, boil it and add ingredients

I saw over 90% - well it could be 91% or 95% or 99% - but basically you export only CRUDE OIL (and maybe kola nuts?) - nothing more. You have no manufacturing base.
You're a classic banana african country that relies on minerals - and whose economy tank with global commodity prices.

shervydman:

Lol, where did u see 95%?

rvp2017:
I saw over 90% - well it could be 91% or 95% or 99% - but basically you export only CRUDE OIL (and maybe kola nuts?) - nothing more. You have no manufacturing base.
You're a classic banana african country that relies on minerals - and whose economy tank with global commodity prices.

U have a very big issue and it's heartbreaking. Forgetting d % part of the discuss.

How many African countries are into manufacturing? when I talk about "manufacturing"; I mean "heavy manufacturing". Do u have a manufacturing base in Kenya? . Most light manufacturers in Africa are foreign companies. Even ur mobius automobile is owned by a briton. False??

Countries with huge mineral deposit relies on the mineral resources as a source of revenue. U can check anywhere in d world with huge mineral deposit that has large industrial output, I'll wait.

Again you questions have already been answered. In Africa - South Africa, Egypt, Morroco and Kenya have decent manufacturing base - I think Ethiopia is not badly off now with their relentless bid to attract Chinese- and maybe we can add Nigeria or Dangote impressive cement monopoly in Nigeria.Sudan also a decent manufacturing.

African trade remains centred on the three countries that have an appreciable manufacturing base — South Africa, Kenya and Egypt.

https://www.nation.co.ke/business/Kenya-second-largest-exporter-of-goods-within-Comesa/996-3419400-13mktt7z/index.html

shervydman:

U have a very big issue and it's heartbreaking. Forgetting d % part of the discuss.

How many African countries are into manufacturing? when I talk about "manufacturing"; I mean "heavy manufacturing". Do u have a manufacturing base in Kenya? . Most light manufacturers in Africa are foreign companies. Even ur mobius automobile is owned by a briton. False??

Countries with huge mineral deposit relies on the mineral resources as a source of revenue. U can check anywhere in d world with huge mineral deposit that has large industrial output, I'll wait.

rvp2017:
Again you questions have already been answered. In Africa - South Africa, Egypt, Morroco and Kenya have decent manufacturing base - I think Ethiopia is not badly off now with their relentless bid to attract Chinese- and maybe we can add Nigeria or Dangote impressive cement monopoly in Nigeria.Sudan also a decent manufacturing.

Pls, tell me what is being manufactured in those aforementioned countries.

African trade remains centred on the three countries that have an appreciable manufacturing base — South Africa, Kenya and Egypt.

Egypt - the main exporter of consumer goods within COMESA.
Kenya - the second exporter of consumer goods in COMESA & leading in AGOA.
South Africa - SADC and most of Africa - source of consumer goods & even machinery.

Nigeria - is crying within ECOWAS - that small countries like Togo or Benin are out-compete them? And is now afraid to join the big boys in Africa Free Trade Pact. What a shame.

shervydman:

Pls, tell me what is being manufactured in those aforementioned countries.