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Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by shadeyinka(m): 11:54am On Sep 24, 2016 |
reallest: Plane Satanism in public view |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by reallest(f): 12:16pm On Sep 24, 2016 |
promise10: I only say dat to taunt him because of his stand against Allah,do u even think I believe Allah create me? |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by reallest(f): 12:18pm On Sep 24, 2016 |
promise10: I don't know if there is any creator or not but am sure what Bible call creator is not a creator 3 Likes |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by reallest(f): 12:21pm On Sep 24, 2016 |
promise10: Who is dat creator den |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by reallest(f): 12:23pm On Sep 24, 2016 |
shadeyinka:where is it |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by shadeyinka(m): 1:15pm On Sep 24, 2016 |
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Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by promise10: 1:18pm On Sep 24, 2016 |
reallest:Continue to troll yourself! Keep it up! Why would I think so? |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by promise10: 1:19pm On Sep 24, 2016 |
reallest:This still makes sense to me until you say that "there is a creation but no creator". Bang! Then I will tell you how absurd it sounds! |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by promise10: 1:23pm On Sep 24, 2016 |
reallest:This question still make so much sense! Because you have not CANCELLED out the reality of a creator, but just asking who he is. It makes so much sense! Ask that always and research on it, hope you find him soon! |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by reallest(f): 1:43pm On Sep 24, 2016 |
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Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by Nobody: 2:19pm On Sep 24, 2016 |
shadeyinka:Despite your omniscience, you allow every student to do the exam. That makes sense to you, right? Meaning as you see that student making effort to study, going to extra classes, doing night study, buying coffee to stay awake and so on, its a waste of his energy, because you, in your omniscience, know that he's already going to fail. The same could be said about you going to church to waste your time! 10 Likes |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by Nobody: 2:35pm On Sep 24, 2016 |
Lalasticlala Seun let people know the importance of not rejecting God and Son Jesus and the consequences of doing so |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by shadeyinka(m): 4:34pm On Sep 24, 2016 |
AnonyNymous: The objective my dear is SELECTION! If my aim is to select the best students for my use, it makes perfect sense. Fairness demands I give everyone a chance to attempt the examinations. I cannot be judged preemptively for an offence I never committed. |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by Nobody: 5:14pm On Sep 24, 2016 |
shadeyinka:You're still not.getting where I'm coming from. Why are you selecting if you already know who will end up in heaven and who will not? If the outcome is already 100% certain, and you know it, then there's really no selection because no matter what happens, no matter what they do, the outcome is still going to happen. So you could say that some people who are in church thinking they're devoting their lives to god are wasting their time, because at the end of the day, that outcome that is predestined is still going to happen. 12 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by donnffd(m): 5:46pm On Sep 24, 2016 |
shadeyinka: My parents dont lock me in a dungeon they built and flog me everyday for the rest of my life because i failed the exam and say they still love me. 7 Likes |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by raphieMontella: 6:13pm On Sep 24, 2016 |
shadeyinka:what do you have to say @those verses i gave... |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by raphieMontella: 6:21pm On Sep 24, 2016 |
lastmessenger:never brag about what you dont know Jeremiah 10:23Good News Translation (GNT) 23 Lord, I know that none of us are in charge of our own destiny; none of us have control over our own life. Proverbs 20:24Good News Translation (GNT) 24 The Lord has determined our path; how then can anyone understand the direction his own life is taking? Good News Translation (GNT) you can also find similar statements in theses verses.... prov16:4 Proverbs 16:4Good News Translation (GNT) 4 Everything the Lord has made has its destiny; and the destiny of the wicked is destruction. mark 4:11-12 etc NB:modified 1 Like |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by shadeyinka(m): 6:28am On Sep 25, 2016 |
AnonyNymous: I guess you are mixing two things up. There is a difference BTW Predestination and Foreknowledge. In predestination: it is devinely fixed that a person irrespective of what he does is going to heaven or hell In Foreknowledge: the final destination of a person depends on his choices. The only deference is that the outcome is known by God before hand. Omniscience is NOT about predestination, it is about foreknowledge and Human Will or Volition is involved. |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by shadeyinka(m): 6:47am On Sep 25, 2016 |
donnffd: Who says God is the Parent of everyone. To those who Believe in His name He gave the Power to become Sons of God...I am sure you have read that before. God is a God of Everything but He is not the Father of everything. God is the Creator who desires a special trait of His creations He chose to give Free Will or Volition. When a person is NOT useful to God, He is discarded into Gods refuse Dump. It should be easy to understand: Suppose as a scientist, you genetically produced some bacterias who were designed to boost the immune system of cows. Now after building these bacteria's you discover that the bacteria's even though ALL have capabilities to do your bidden, only a few consistently do it. Would it be wrong to filter these bacteria's for your purpose? Should you keep the useless bacteria's as a trophy or destroy them? The concept of forever is NOT as in the earth's tick tock time. In eternity, time doesn't exist so here on earth, it looks like billions of years but in actual sense, time doesn't exist. God loves the World in a generic sense: many are called but few are chosen.. SELECTION! I guess you understand this above: If God is as great as He is described then we will be like viruses compared to Him Any Question? 2 Likes |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by shadeyinka(m): 7:08am On Sep 25, 2016 |
raphieMontella: If it is about aguement, I will drop the thread. The scriptures above are in the context of the fact that there are many things in life that a person CANNOT decide about himself. Eg where you are Born, Rich/ Poor, Sick/ Healthy, etc for both good and evil people experience such. The scriptures above do not preclude that as humans we have our own Will, Volition or ability to choose our course of action or reaction to what life brings our way. Mk4:10 and 12 explains the context of verse 11: The Parables all speak about "the kingdom of God" to the disciples BUT To outsiders, just like you, these are Story-Story! |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by Nobody: 7:12am On Sep 25, 2016 |
shadeyinka:Ah but then why would you be surprised when a student failed, as God was when Adam and eve ate the fruit, or show anger and chase some of the students out of the hall, like God's extermination with the flood. If you wanted to allow them finish the test, why interrupt the process, why send expo in the form of Jesus. You see your argument was flawed from onset. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by raphieMontella: 7:35am On Sep 25, 2016 |
shadeyinka:talk about prov 16:4..it doesnt seem to be about poverty etc..... |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by shadeyinka(m): 7:58am On Sep 25, 2016 |
raphieMontella: Proverbs 16 The interpretation of verse 4 is simple. The Lord made ALL people (both the good and the evil) for Himself. There is a day of Evil: for the wicked. It is like saying: -The Nobel Laurette Whole Shoyinka taught a class of students - Some students were excellent and some were terrible -The terrible students will be punished at graduation Now, Even though the students were all taught by the same ace Lecturer, each student decide by choice to either be a good student or a terrible student. The usual Atheist question is why did Whole Shoyinka teach the students when he already know that some of the students will fail! The scripture above is NOT that God made the evil people as evil no! But that ALL falls under the category of the creation of God including the Evil people Verse1,2&3 tells you of what to do not to be in the evil category 1 Like |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by donnffd(m): 8:36am On Sep 25, 2016 |
shadeyinka: Yes bro, i do have lot of questions If God wanted to use us for something, why did he give us freewill in the first place? If God wants to discard the unuseful bunch, why doesnt he destroy them, why must he torture them for all of eternity? If he wants us to serve him, why did he keep himself in hiding for 13.8billion years? Why is God so egocentric that he needs you praise and worship to reward you and if you dont give him that, he punishes you, isnt that petty?, he is the creator of the universe as you would claim, i feel the creator of the universe should have better things to do than to keep a tab of those who dont worship him! 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by OgundeleT(m): 8:46am On Sep 25, 2016 |
Jesuobu:just like fool that fail to accept that there is no any other god except Allah and that Mohammed is his only prophet. the truth is that anybody that practise any religion apart from Islam is hell bound. |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by OgundeleT(m): 9:04am On Sep 25, 2016 |
shadeyinka:since he foreknown according to your own definition of omniscience god why is he now testing us? why is he allowing us to undergo so much stress on a mission he knew is to futility? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by Nobody: 9:18am On Sep 25, 2016 |
shadeyinka:So in other words, he doesn't know what they're going to use their free will to do? 2 Likes |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by hopefulLandlord: 9:23am On Sep 25, 2016 |
AnonyNymous: those Christian apologists would do their god a world of good by shutting up they can't even see that they're contradicting themselves on this thread when they do see their contradictions, they pathetically attempt to wriggle out by contradicting themselves even further 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by shadeyinka(m): 1:37pm On Sep 25, 2016 |
Lennycool: God chased them out of the garden so that they would NOT seal their fate by taking from the tree of life. If they had done so, they would have been irredeemable for the root of sin. Like Satan cannot receive forgiveness even if he desires so. His fate is sealed. |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by shadeyinka(m): 2:03pm On Sep 25, 2016 |
donnffd: God created some special class of creatures with free will. The first is Angels: created to be servants to Him Man: created to be his "babies" Angels were to Serve Him by their choice Men were to Love Him by their choice. I guess God did NOT want Robots: the peak of creations will need autonomy. Which do you think is greater in sophistication; a preprogrammed robot or a self programming robot? donnffd: Like I said before: Time is an illusion of the physical space. In the time-space of the spiritual, time doesn't exist. A trillion years using the earths time space is extremely long, but in the spirit realm, time doesn't have a meaning. Moreover, spirits cannot die! donnffd: He didn't create us to serve Himself! He created us and gave us guidelines which will lead us to a life of Love to Him and to each other. That is why the greatest commandment is about Love to God and Love to Man. To Love is a choice we all make and Love CANNOT be Forced donnffd: No! LOL God doesn't need anyone's worship. Those who Love Him worship Him because they see that He was the one who actually loved them First and due to the greatness of His majesty. The only test or prove for LOVE is choices you make by your FREEWILL 3 Likes |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by shadeyinka(m): 2:20pm On Sep 25, 2016 |
AnonyNymous: Let me ask you a question: Suppose your parent told you that they saw you in a special time machine ( that predicts the future with 100% certainty ) causing great havoc to the family and so preemptively the called the police to arrest and imprison you. Will you submit yourself to this preemptive judgement? How about if you were caught attempting to burn down the family house while everyone was sleeping. Would you have a justification for not being sent to prison? So even with Foreknowledge, it is NOT fair to condem a person. The converse too is true: How excited would you be if you were awarded Nobel Prize for Science based on the prediction that you will discover the cure of HIV in 30 years time? The world is one BIG daily examination of everyone: you can choose to treat it seriously or lackadaisically. That is why your choice based on your freewill is the basis of your reward or judgement. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by femi4: 2:47pm On Sep 25, 2016 |
Julian08:He gave us the free will to choose. We also have the opportunity to know the consequences of our choice |
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