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Re: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by Nobody: 10:03am On Sep 30, 2016 |
Ontarget:i agree with u |
Re: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by Seun(m): 10:18am On Sep 30, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:The scientific community has a good track record of telling the truth. The same cannot be said of religious institutions or their scriptures. Every time in history that religion has been in conflict with science, science has been proven to be right, and religious people have been forced to re-interpret their scriptures to accommodate the truth of science. Religious authorities persecuted Galileo because he said the earth moves round the sun, which is contrary to a direct interpretation of the bible. Now they accept it. They thought that lightning was a sign of God's wrath, but now they accept the scientific explanation. Many Christian denominations e.g. the Catholic church have accepted evolution too. Now it's your turn! This "debate" between Richard Dawkins and an Anglican bishop ended up being a tutorial on evolution for the intelligent bishop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bow4nnh1Wv0 It may interest you to know that scientists are seriously divided over evolution. So, who are you those you call "scientists"?Scientists who promote creationism aren't considered real scientists because their theory isn't based on reality. These people have decided that the earth was created by God because the bible says so, and so they try to distort the evidence to support their predetermined conclusion. 8 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by DoctorAlien(m): 10:34am On Sep 30, 2016 |
Seun, The scientific community has a good track record of telling the truth. Really? The same scientific community that said Natural Selection drives evolution, only to be proved wrong? Evolution itself is a scam. Ask any scientist to comprehensively prove evolution to you and watch him begin to stammer. Scientists who question evolution aren't considered real because their theory isn't based on reality. Really? Hahaha Please who determines real and unreal scientists? You? Don't be ridiculous. Is the theory of evolution based on reality? Prove it. 1 Like |
Re: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by DoctorAlien(m): 10:38am On Sep 30, 2016 |
Seun, For the records, I'm not a catholic and I don't believe the catholic church is a Christian organization: it's a pagan one actually. I'm not an Anglican, either. I'm a Bible-believing Christian. Don't bring the activities of the catholic church into this. Even the Bible knows the earth is spherical, but the Catholic church chose to teach otherwise. |
Re: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by DoctorAlien(m): 10:43am On Sep 30, 2016 |
Seun, Charles Darwin, the founder of your religion, Evolution, confessed that "the belief (note the emphasis on belief) in natural selection (evolution) must at present be grounded entirely on general considerations. ... When we descend to details,we can prove that no one species has changed ... nor can we prove that the supposed changes are beneficial, which is the groundwork of the theory." |
Re: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by DoctorAlien(m): 10:45am On Sep 30, 2016 |
Seun, please educate yourself here, and stop telling me "scientists said..." www.nairaland.com/3340702/how-evolution-flunked-science-test |
Re: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by donnffd(m): 10:51am On Sep 30, 2016 |
DoctorAlien: Your understanding of Mutation is still elementary, and any attempt to educate you would be a total waste of time but i would say somethings: First, i cannot speak for all atheists but i am certain unlike you that never questions your belief, i question mine everytime and use my head to deduce what really is true or not Evolution and the Bible, which makes more sense, I say Evolution and i would tell you from the top of my head. Why does evolution say Pisces evolved to amphibians and amphibians evolved to reptiles and birds , and reptiles evolved to mammals, and if you look at the real world, it makes sense? Pisces live in the water and lay eggs Amphibians live in water and land and lay eggs Reptiles live on land and lay eggs Birds in the sky and on trees and lay eggs Mammals on land and give birth to live young ones Why does the similarities of the body plan of these animals match up with what Evolution says? Why does the DNA of closely related animals are far more identical than other animals? Why is it that the DNA that resembles mostly the human DNA is not a hyena, or a bat or a chicken but a chimpanzee, the same animal that i asked my mom as a child why it resembles us so well! Only a close-minded person would see the evidence of Evolution all around us and deny it because of preconceived ideologies. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by DoctorAlien(m): 11:01am On Sep 30, 2016 |
donffd, Now let's be honest: which makes more sense to you? That a frog suddenly turned into a snake or that an intelligent Creator designed both creatures? GOD created, and I would tell you from the top of my head. Don't tell me fishes turned into amphibians and amphibians turned into reptiles and all that, and then conclude by telling me "it makes sense." It makes absolutely no sense. In trying to prove evolution, scientists have come up with many "most-similars" to humans. When it comes to DNA, banana is the most similar to man. When it comes to another criterion, another thing becomes the most similar to man. Aren't they confused? "Scientists" have to keep publishing new lies, you know, so that faith in their senseless religion called "Evolution" won't die. You can as well educate yourself on that link I gave to your colleague, Seun. 1 Like |
Re: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by DoctorAlien(m): 11:21am On Sep 30, 2016 |
More quotes from Charles Darwin, the founder of your religion: “Lastly, looking not to any one time, but to all time, if my theory be true, numberless intermediate varieties, linking closely together all the species of the same group, must assuredly have existed. But, as by this theory, innumerable transitional forms must have existed, why do we not find them embedded in countless numbers in the crust of the earth?” |
Re: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by hahn(m): 11:26am On Sep 30, 2016 |
Ontarget: If you buy a mathematics text book for your kid and you see that on the first page it says "1+1=11", would that not be sufficient for you to start disputing the source of the book especially when the writer claims to have a masters degree? Besides, there are lots of other loophole like for instance, there is no proof of Jesus' existence and also the Israelites were never slaves under Egypt as depicted in the bible. Also, most of the stories are plagiarized. But that shouldn't be the ultimate reason which decides the existence or inexistence of a supreme being. Actually, the inconsistencies are very good points for refuting the claims of Jehovah. Remember also that atheists speak against ALL religons. When an atheist is challenged using the Bible he scores points, but when he is challenged using the physics and metaphysics of things in existence he struggles to prove their is no God. As a matter of fact, when you read ALL "holy" books, you will find out they are full of loopholes. The same way you would view the writings in all other books is the same way other theists, not just atheists view yours. For instance, muslims will never agree that Jesus is the son of god just like a Buddhist or Hindustan will not agree that Yahweh/Jehovah are the supreme gods. Remember, even among Christians there are lots of disagreements about the translation of certain texts and also religious practices. If Christians cannot come to a concession on the interpretations of the bible,to the extent of having 33,000 different denominations, why should anyone else? If you are an atheist I would really like to know what makes you think it is possible for a complex and organized system to emerge on its own without guidance I am not a scientist though, however judging by the evidence presented by history against religion and also the lack of evidence by religion to prove their various gods, it is safe to say none of these gods as proposed by religion is the true god. Maybe you should read more on history of your religion and other religions to get the point 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by DoctorAlien(m): 11:27am On Sep 30, 2016 |
Another classic from Richard Dawkins, a major prophet of evolution: “It is as though they [fossils] were just planted there, without any evolutionary history. Needless to say this appearance of sudden planting has delighted creationists. Both schools of thought (Punctuationists and Gradualists) despise so-called scientific creationists equally, and both agree that the major gaps are real, that they are true imperfections in the fossil record. The only alternative explanation of the sudden appearance of so many complex animal types in the Cambrian era is divine creation and both reject this alternative.” Nobody has ever observed macroevolution take place in the laboratory or in nature. In other words, nobody has ever observed one kind of creature turn into another kind of creature. The entire theory of evolution is based on blind faith. So much for claiming that they deal with facts and not faith. Cc: Seun, donffd. 1 Like |
Re: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:29am On Sep 30, 2016 |
Seun: There is no evidence for evolution . Fossils are not evidences for evolution . There are scientists who question the Big Bang and have produced several theories , according to your logic they are not real scientists . Hundreds of years ago , some of the greatest scientists believed the atom was indivisible , some believed it was impossible for a metal to fly. And today the story is different , the story can change in a 100 years . why ? Because they were people who opposed those ideas and worked towards proving it . But according to your logic , they are not real scientists . If you want to move this atheistic ministry forward, fallacies and ludicrous reasoning won't help your cause bro . 1 Like |
Re: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by Seun(m): 11:29am On Sep 30, 2016 |
Ontarget:No, I choose to believe that we don't yet know how the first simple life form emerged. I don't know. You don't know. Nobody knows. In the past we didn't know how complex life forms came to be, but now we know that. It's reasonable to expect that we will know more in the future. What makes you think a God isn't behind the natural selection of species and evolution cos I am still wondering how a farming hoe can blindly evolve to a tractor through "natural selection" without any intelligence guiding the transformation.We cannot completely rule out the possibility that God, Superman, or Voltron created the first life form, but there's no good evidence for that. 8 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by DoctorAlien(m): 11:36am On Sep 30, 2016 |
Evolutionist, Steven J. Gould of Harvard University: “Every paleontologist knows that most species don’t change. That’s bothersome….brings terrible distress. ….They may get a little bigger or bumpier but they remain the same species and that’s not due to imperfection and gaps but stasis. And yet this remarkable stasis has generally been ignored as no data. If they don’t change, its not evolution so you don’t talk about it.” |
Re: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by hahn(m): 11:37am On Sep 30, 2016 |
Seun: I root for Voltron! 2 Likes |
Re: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by DoctorAlien(m): 11:40am On Sep 30, 2016 |
Seun, donffd and other atheists, please click on this link: [url]creation.mobi/evolution-ancient-pagan-idea[/url] to see the connection between evolution and ancient paganism. |
Re: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by DoctorAlien(m): 11:54am On Sep 30, 2016 |
Said one evolutionist: “Even with DNA sequence data, we have no direct access to the processes of evolution, so objective reconstruction of the vanished past can be achieved only by creative imagination.” Is this not hypocrisy? |
Re: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by DoctorAlien(m): 12:05pm On Sep 30, 2016 |
Seun, You said scientists have a good record of saying the truth.(LOL) In 2007, fishermen caught a very rare creature known as a Coelacanth. Evolutionists originally told us that this “living fossil” had gone extinct 70 million years ago. It turns out that they were only off by 70 million years. See the link here: [url]news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6925784.stm[/url] Perhaps, the most famous fossil in the history of the theory of evolution, "Piltdown Man", turned out to be a giant hoax. See the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piltdown_Man Chai! LOL I laugh at the way "scientists" deceive these gullible atheists. Cc: donffd 1 Like |
Re: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by DoctorAlien(m): 12:09pm On Sep 30, 2016 |
Evolutionist, Dr. Lyall Watson: “The fossils that decorate our family tree are so scarce that there are still more scientists than specimens. The remarkable fact is that all of the physical evidence we have for human evolution can still be placed, with room to spare, inside a single coffin!” 1 Like |
Re: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by KvnqPrezo(m): 12:21pm On Sep 30, 2016 |
Seun:Thanks lemme check it out |
Re: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by sinequanon: 12:25pm On Sep 30, 2016 |
Seun: Science, itself, isn't about truth. It is about a certain kind of "consistency" and "predictability". Scientific findings are not "true", they are "currently accepted in the field". Science evolves. And, in general, scientists are no more honest than anybody else. Because something is "scientifically accepted" does not mean it is true. The worst recent case of deception in the scientific community is the supposed confirmation of the Higgs Boson. You will recall that, during the theatrical debacle, designed to justify investment in enhancing the Large Hadron Collider, Stephen Hawking actually pretended that he had lost his bet that the the Higgs Boson did not exsist, and Peter Higgs was awarded the Nobel Prize!! |
Re: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by yorhmienerd(m): 12:37pm On Sep 30, 2016 |
Watching from the sidelines. This is getting more intresting!! |
Re: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by donnffd(m): 1:18pm On Sep 30, 2016 |
DoctorAlien: Dude, you havent actually read anything about Evolution by Natural selection, because if you have, you would not sprout such things like "a frog suddenly turned into a snake" and the painful part of it is that you dont want to learn about it because you have already made up your mind. So i guess more grace to your elbows, but i do advice you, when you are in an intellectual gathering, don't say what you just said, because 99% of the people there would just laugh at you. |
Re: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by DoctorAlien(m): 1:22pm On Sep 30, 2016 |
donnffd: Just like I'm laughing at your credulity?
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Re: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by Nobody: 1:29pm On Sep 30, 2016 |
onetrack:I have derived my premise from the Bible. There is no point in quoting what you see as inconsistent and primitive. |
Re: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by Nobody: 1:34pm On Sep 30, 2016 |
Seun:Then you are not an atheist. You sound like an Agnostic since you feel it is likely that God exists. 1 Like |
Re: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by Nobody: 1:58pm On Sep 30, 2016 |
hahn:If you want to figure out about the existence of God just drop the Bible and take a deep look into the structure of creation. The Bible is never an evidence that God exists. The Bible only used God to create stories. The fact that the stories are fictional doesn't mean the concept of God is not true. Saying that God is inexistent because the Bible is fictional is like saying Arnold Schwarzenegger doesn't exist because he featured in a fictional movie. If you are an atheist because the Bible is fictional then that is the wrong way to be an atheist. |
Re: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by donnffd(m): 3:16pm On Sep 30, 2016 |
sinequanon: Wow, is an educated person typing this?, this is amazing... so are you telling me that the discovery of the Higgs boson is fake? This is the reason why Africans dont do science, they dont innovate, they dont ponder on questions that amazes the mind!. How can someone be typing what you just typed? are you kidding me?. If Science is not about truth, then what in hell is it about? 1 Like |
Re: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by Nobody: 3:23pm On Sep 30, 2016 |
Seun:Bleep you |
Re: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by sinequanon: 3:27pm On Sep 30, 2016 |
donnffd:Instead of "wowing", produce a scientific paper or quote from a scientist that says that the existence of the Higgs Boson has been proven. Being "educated" means being able to read carefully and critically. donnffd: Try using your critical faculties instead of your emotion. I have already answered this question in my previous post. |
Re: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by donnffd(m): 4:15pm On Sep 30, 2016 |
sinequanon: Ignorance is not a virtue dude. For thousands of years, man believed that the earth was flat and the sun and moon revolved around it, that reasonable because we see the sun and the moon move in the sky but the earth is always stationary, they also believed diseases, plagues, Natural disasters were done by gods. Thales of miletus was the first scientist in recorded history because he used observations and deductions to try and explain what happens in the Natural world, he lived 500BC but he had such amazing insight and his methods were agreeable but it wont be a very useful tool for another 2000years until Copernicus resurrected it. Copernicus lived in a time where gods did everything but he revolutionized the world with experiments and deductions to explain truths previously unknown, like the earth revolved around the sun instead of the other way around. Kepler, Galileo, Huygens, Newton are all extraordinary men who built on this scientific enterprise and showed us more truths about the world that we would have never guessed in a million years. When Europe discovered that science was the best route to knowledge and truths, they made it prestigious and their culture grew at an alarming rate. All cultures that accepted the scientific process has grown to tremendous sizes and become far more knowledgeable than people 2500years ago. Science is not about some people ganging up to deceive the masses, on the contrary, science is built to check itself, you are not regarded serious until you have documented the process and experiments that lead you to your conclusion and it must be repeatable and should explain all facts seen in Nature. That is the scientific method and it is the best means to truth that we humans have ever invented. As to the Nobel prize winning discovery, you think they lied about it? Dude, you sound like a crazy conspiracy theorists!, like seriously... https://home.cern/topics/higgs-boson 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Wrong Way To Be An Atheist by hahn(m): 4:23pm On Sep 30, 2016 |
Ontarget: Done Well, nature is indeed a mystery. However, the more we study, the more we understand it. Look at it this way, if I was to say that due to the structure of the earth that aliens are responsible, would you agree? Seems you are leaning towards deism. The Bible is never an evidence that God exists. winner01, kingebukasblog, promise10, naijadeyhia(where have you been?), malvisguy22 etc can you believe the nerve of this guy? The Bible only used God to create stories. I agree. The bible is only good for smoking weed and as toilet tissue. The fact that the stories are fictional doesn't mean the concept of God is not true. There are over 4,000 version of "God". Which one are you talking about? Saying that God is inexistent because the Bible is fictional is like saying Arnold Schwarzenegger doesn't exist because he featured in a fictional movie. We have seen Arnold. No one has seen "God". If you are an atheist because the Bible is fictional then that is the wrong way to be an atheist. I am an atheist because there is no evidence for any of the gods. If "God" knocks on my door and says hi I will believe. Promise |
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