sinequanon:


Science, itself, isn't about truth. It is about a certain kind of "consistency" and "predictability".

Scientific findings are not "true", they are "currently accepted in the field". Science evolves.

And, in general, scientists are no more honest than anybody else. Because something is "scientifically accepted" does not mean it is true.

The worst recent case of deception in the scientific community is the supposed confirmation of the Higgs Boson.

You will recall that, during the theatrical debacle, designed to justify investment in enhancing the Large Hadron Collider, Stephen Hawking actually pretended that he had lost his bet that the the Higgs Boson did not exsist, and Peter Higgs was awarded the Nobel Prize!!

DoctorAlien:
Seun,

You said scientists have a good record of saying the truth.(LOL) In 2007, fishermen caught a very rare creature known as a Coelacanth. Evolutionists originally told us that this “living fossil” had gone extinct 70 million years ago. It turns out that they were only off by 70 million years. See the link here: [url]news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6925784.stm[/url]

Perhaps, the most famous fossil in the history of the theory of evolution, "Piltdown Man", turned out to be a giant hoax. See the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piltdown_Man

Chai! LOL I laugh at the way "scientists" deceive these gullible atheists.

Cc: donffd

donnffd:
As to the Nobel prize winning discovery, you think they lied about it? Dude, you sound like a crazy conspiracy theorists!, like seriously...

https://home.cern/topics/higgs-boson

lordnicklaus:

God is not confined to time and space. He exists in a dimension outside of time and space. Existing outside the universe would make Him absolute, infinite and totally uncaused.

sinequanon:


I've cut out your essay, as it is irrelevant.

All your post boils down to is "like, seriously..."

Now try to act rationally, and cut to the chase. Quote the part in your link which says that the existence of the Higgs Boson has been scientifically proven.

I'm telling you right now, it doesn't say or imply that, and, if you think that it does, it means you cannot read anywhere near critically enough to understand or be debating about science.

UyiIredia:


He didn't emerge without guidance He has always existed. A FACT too big for your small mind to comprehend.

raphieMontella:

so the 1+1=2 evolves?
Or in the future the hearts work will no longer be used for pumping blood?

sinequanon:


1 + 1 = 2 isn't science. It is mathematics. To be precise, it is a mathematical definition.

As for your second rhetorical question, it also shows lack of understanding. There are many
examples in the scientific theory of evolution, itself, of co-option and exaptation.

Unfortunately, this is typical. People who follow science mainly through popular media have little idea of what they are supporting.

winner01:


You can only be an angry atheist by loosing a dear one or failed request to a heartcry. This is only what can motivate one to spend hours of his day on hate.

Anger is not acquired by simply lack of or misunderstanding of scriptures, it is acquired by an experience. A terrible experience.
And it is the only motivation they need to fight back.

Ontarget:

Just as the earthly realm and the space realm follows different laws and patterns, the realm of God is different on its own working system. On earth anything we throw up must surely come down, but it doesn't work like that in the space realm. In the earth and space realms everything that has a beginning must have and ending, but it doesn't work like that in the realm of God with an entirely different working system.

EyeHateGod:

And what stops billions of God from always existing?

KvnqPrezo:
I hate seeing rubbish talks!!(sorry to say)
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There are something's we don't know and cannot change (it's better we live it as it is)
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Everybody believes on whatever he/she likes...
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Saying there are something in the bible that are not true I'll totally disagree because those things exist long time before we were born..
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The existence of God is completely a misery and in the bible it's stated that "God Can't Lie" please everyone some be sure before concluding ..

DoctorAlien:
Seun,

For the records, I'm not a catholic and I don't believe the catholic church is a Christian organization: it's a pagan one actually. I'm not an Anglican, either.

I'm a Bible-believing Christian. Don't bring the activities of the catholic church into this. Even the Bible knows the earth is spherical, but the Catholic church chose to teach otherwise.

raphieMontella:

what does scientific theories and science base on?
Are laws of physics independent of mathematics and its concepts?

raphieMontella:
Evolution sire...is not darwins theory of evolution...thats where you mistake it...

donnffd:


Dude, you havent actually read anything about Evolution by Natural selection, because if you have, you would not sprout such things like "a frog suddenly turned into a snake" and the painful part of it is that you dont want to learn about it because you have already made up your mind.

So i guess more grace to your elbows, but i do advice you, when you are in an intellectual gathering, don't say what you just said, because 99% of the people there would just laugh at you.

Ontarget:

If you want to figure out about the existence of God just drop the Bible and take a deep look into the structure of creation. The Bible is never an evidence that God exists. The Bible only used God to create stories. The fact that the stories are fictional doesn't mean the concept of God is not true. Saying that God is inexistent because the Bible is fictional is like saying Arnold Schwarzenegger doesn't exist because he featured in a fictional movie.
If you are an atheist because the Bible is fictional then that is the wrong way to be an atheist.

sinequanon:

Instead of "wowing", produce a scientific paper or quote from a scientist that says that the existence of the Higgs Boson has been proven.

lordnicklaus:

God is not confined to time and space. He exists in a dimension outside of time and space. Existing outside the universe would make Him absolute, infinite and totally uncaused.

hahn:


Done

Well, nature is indeed a mystery. However, the more we study, the more we understand it. Look at it this way, if I was to say that due to the structure of the earth that aliens are responsible, would you agree? Seems you are leaning towards deism.



winner01, kingebukasblog, promise10, naijadeyhia(where have you been?), malvisguy22 etc can you believe the nerve of this guy?



I agree. The bible is only good for smoking weed and as toilet tissue.



There are over 4,000 version of "God". Which one are you talking about?



We have seen Arnold. No one has seen "God".



I am an atheist because there is no evidence for any of the gods. If "God" knocks on my door and says hi I will believe. Promise

EyeHateGod:

Pls can u tell me what the Highs bosom is?

Ontarget:

When I mention "God" I am refering to the intelligent force behind the intelligent design of creation. I don't really know what you believe is the force behind creation. So if I may ask, since you believe there is no intelligent force behind creation, what you think is responsible for the intelligent designs and complexity of things in existence?

sinequanon:


Absolutely, just as music is independent of musical notation.

Nature doesn't care about the models scientists use to describe it. Models have become obsolete, even. The nature they described remains.

That depends on context. The context being debated in this thread is Darwin's ToE.

sinequanon:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson

sinequanon:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson

raphieMontella:

i mean...musical notation is not independent of music...

glad you understand....
Cheers

raphieMontella:

been discovered ''tentatively''...
I.e the footprints..
Garrit bruh?

lordnicklaus:
I have derived my premise from the Bible. There is no point in quoting what you see as inconsistent and primitive.

sinequanon:


I've cut out your essay, as it is irrelevant.

All your post boils down to is "like, seriously..."

Now try to act rationally, and cut to the chase. Quote the part in your link which says that the existence of the Higgs Boson has been scientifically proven.

I'm telling you right now, it doesn't say or imply that, and, if you think that it does, it means you cannot read anywhere near critically enough to understand or be debating about science.

Seun:

Many people don't have the time to study evolution in depth. For such people, it makes sense to simply accept it because scientists accept it.

Please read this blog post for some enlightenment: https://rarebible./2009/12/06/false-prophecies-of-jesus/

sinequanon:




Are you drunk?

If not, go back to school and learn to communicate in some intelligible language.

WORLDPEACE:

What I see happening with evolution is the same thing that happened with religion. It's not really about studying in depth or not. It is about success. If successful people are associated with a thing, with time it catches on. With Islam it was trade and superior knowledge of warfare and literacy. With Christianity it was Literacy, route to a better life, fancy clothes and European type houses. Success will sell anything. Evolution to me is a probability stretched to the position of lab experiment type of fact. And it is not.

sinequanon:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson

hahn:


If you buy a mathematics text book for your kid and you see that on the first page it says "1+1=11", would that not be sufficient for you to start disputing the source of the book especially when the writer claims to have a masters degree?

Besides, there are lots of other loophole like for instance, there is no proof of Jesus' existence and also the Israelites were never slaves under Egypt as depicted in the bible. Also, most of the stories are plagiarized.



Actually, the inconsistencies are very good points for refuting the claims of Jehovah. Remember also that atheists speak against ALL religons.



As a matter of fact, when you read ALL "holy" books, you will find out they are full of loopholes.

The same way you would view the writings in all other books is the same way other theists, not just atheists view yours.

For instance, muslims will never agree that Jesus is the son of god just like a Buddhist or Hindustan will not agree that Yahweh/Jehovah are the supreme gods. Remember, even among Christians there are lots of disagreements about the translation of certain texts and also religious practices. If Christians cannot come to a concession on the interpretations of the bible,to the extent of having 33,000 different denominations, why should anyone else?



I am not a scientist though, however judging by the evidence presented by history against religion and also the lack of evidence by religion to prove their various gods, it is safe to say none of these gods as proposed by religion is the true god.

Maybe you should read more on history of your religion and other religions to get the point

DoctorAlien:
... and all known (albeit very rare) cases of mutation have proved fatal and destructive to the mutant individual. Thus, mutation brings extermination instead of development in species.