oaroloye:
SHALOM!



I am not familiar with APOLLINOUS OF TYANA.

Was he a person of any significance?

During his NAGUALISM Apprenticeship, his instructors, Dons JUAN MATUS and GENARO FLORES showed CARLOS CASTANEDA how to SCAN THE ENTIRE EARTH to DETECT and EVALUATE Spiritual Activity.

The purpose of this exercise- they looked in on CHURCHES, TEMPLES, SCHOOLS and LONE SOLOISTS, or whatever- was to PROVE to Carlos Castaneda that there was NO ONE ELSE ON EARTH at THEIR Level of Spirituality.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT YAHSHUA IS THE CHRIST, BECAUSE YOU READ IT IN THE BIBLE?

Or is it because SOMEONE PREACHED it to you?

If so, THAT BELIEF IS MEANINGLESS!

Only the REVELATION DIRECTLY FROM GOD has any VALUE.

That is DECEPTION, right there! ANYBODY WHO KNOWS THE GOSPEL IN ANY DEPTH KNOWS THAT STORY.

YOU cannot say you didn't know it. Therefore you were deliberately trying to DECEIVE us in HIDING the TRUTH

oaroloye:




Is that YOUR Folly, then?

Armchair Philosophers wax so poetical about "LOVE," until someone shows up they should use it on.

Then we see whether they have Foundations of Rock that cannot be removed, or Foundations of Sand- easily blown away.

NAGUALISM Teaches that catering to people we do not like, in the Physical Realm (pinches tiranotos- the Petty Tyrant,) is Basic Training for navigating the Spiritual Realm.

That is, at this rate, if you enter into a Spiritual Encounter, and something like ME can make your gaskets blow, you can just get yourself destroyed out-of-hand.

MuttleyLaff:
Sarassin, there is something in that post causing the hiding and ban
When the post is mentioned, it triggers hiding the post and banning the poster
After your ban expires, just post your response without doing a mentioning of the post
else you get the same treatment all over again

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Sarassin
1 . The nice, quite sweet and knowledgeable guy
2 . The funny, crazy and great sense of humour guy.
3 . The until you piss him off you never want to see, until he's done with you side guy

Sarassin:
Yup, I incurred a ban for what I don't know, but it probably came at the right time.
Hopefully we can get back to meaningful discussions.

MuttleyLaff:
Sarassin, there is something in that post causing the hiding and ban
When the post is mentioned, it triggers hiding the post and banning the poster
After your ban expires, just post your response without doing a mentioning of the post

oaroloye:
MISHIGAS!



I never said I didn't want the people of Idanre to think me stupid.

They already told me I was stupid for adhering to The Gospel, as a BORN AGAIN PENTECOSTAL Christian, in degiance of Anglicsn Tradition, despite my father their king terminating my University Education because of it.

First of all, WHO ARE YOU?

What are your QUALIFICATIONS for saying all this?

Sarassin:


So, responding to your post of 7.30 am 13/08 Just out of curiosity is 'three dimensional characterisation' grandiloquence for pious story telling? How could Luke amongst other things have missed the massacre of the innocents? Perhaps the massacre Matthew reported did not in fact happen as recorded by him, historically no such event is recorded, the closest we come to such an account in history is that of the murderous Herod, murdering members of his own family (Josephus antiquities) I believe it quite possible that it was the story of Herod's exploits against his own family that metamorphosed over time into Matthew's account.

Questions remain to be answered, how come Luke has the Baby Jesus being presented within 40 days of his birth at the temple, at the precise timeline that Matthew has the family busy evading Herod and escaping post-haste to Egypt ? The one says the baby was worshipped by Magi the other says by Shepherds, Is it the case that the baby Jesus received visits from both the Magi as well as the Shepherds? You have to admit that the accounts are incompatible.

I am much more inclined to go with the account of Mark (being the earliest), I think Jesus of Nazareth turned up at the banks of the Jordan in the presence of John the Baptist out of nowhere.

Igerizee:
I had an OBE early dis morninq 4 d first afta trying 4 months, I was hearing a rushing sound like a rain in ma head or somtin, left ma body but came bak 2 ma body cos I got frightened... Just Curious, Where am i going to and who am i going 2 meet wen i xperience it next time?? cos I wanna try 2maro early morning again... Cc sarassin Billyonaire 5Dmindset

Eazybay:


Sarassin! Like you do have a way with words. That alternate stuff, I would still love to know more. It's just funny, if I expect sth to happen, I visualize and all that, Trust me it almost NEVER happens. Now this is the funny part, if I visualize the exact opposite, what I want HAPPENS! Like even when it's obvious I tweaked it. For example, if I want a place to be full, I just visualize it as empty, even when innately I want it full.

Please since you cannot discuss it openly, can I send u a PM? I really need answers..

Sarassin:

Definitely.

Eazybay:


Sent u a pm

MuttleyLaff:



How can anyone forget that thread
Brilliant thread not to forget in a hurry
Being meaning to give it a re-visit asap

That, right there, is the clue.
The rule of thumb, is to always check, double check and cross check with each and all available translations out there, augmented with other credible and reliable great literary resources
and not be relying or depending on just one translation

and rightly so, as no one presumes Daniel to be a Zoroastrian
Daniel is a Magi and not a Zoroastrian

There isnt anything creepy in appropriating or trying to appropriate any or whatever religion, considering that, the adherents of the religion(s) accepts, admits the existence of Jesus and truth of about Him.

Avestan Religion? Isnt that a Freudian slip?
Why be vague, which Avestan Religion are you referring to?
Isn't Avestan a language originating from Persia?

The person you actually was addressing and Sarassin suffer each other gladly.
This is why both, air their divergent interpretations without rancour

Now, the person you actually was addressing didnt make such move in any previous thread.
Part of what I recall the person said, is that there's nothing wrong in ''borrowing'' and/or ''importing''
Also made another point, that the irony is that, the Magi must be privy to some sacred truth & knowledge for them to have journeyed and come to Bethlehem to worship God

The last sentence, that the Magi must be privy to some sacred truth & knowledge, is true because Daniel served in at least two Kings', Nebuchadnezzar and Cyrus; courts.
You seem to know this, as you've already accepted, by stating that, in the Book of Daniel, Daniel is called the leader of the Magi in Babylon
The Magi's source is strongly and likely from Daniel's sacred truth books & knowledge writings
and remotely from another's prophet; Balaam's Numbers 24:16-17 prophecy

Creepy attempt to legitimise Christianity?
Besides, the truth that christian (i.e. precursor to Christianity) is a contemptuous term, as good as the word, nigger, is,
why would anyone with the right sense be interested in re-legitimising a Roman invention state religion Christianity?
Also, no attempt or need to hitch Christianity onto Zoroastrianism
because fyi, the life of the chap, prophet Zarathushtra, known to the Greeks as Zoroaster, is based heavily on the life of Daniel.
What is Zoroastrianism named after sef?

The need for the Syriac Infancy Gospel is unneccesary because that prophecy was, in the Old Testament actually made by Daniel
Recall from above, that, the character Zoroaster is based heavily on the life of Daniel

He does make some noticeable and interesting points
but really needs to be tidying up his posts and/or improve his posting skills

He isnt guilty of extended verbosity at all
but rather is guilty of the misuse and abuse of carriage returns
Allowing next words, typed in his sentences, appearing dropped down on new lines, done unchecked or uncontrolled
is causing the passive white spaces expanse on the right hand-side margin
and contributing to the post becoming excessive in size or amount
It's not only torture to read but its painful, extensively scrolling down wasteful spaces on the right, to read post appearing on a left side margin only

PastorAIO:
Without any sources for your claims there is no argument

PastorAIO:
You say Daniel served under Cyrus.

PastorAIO:
Where did you get this notion?

PastorAIO:
I'm not aware of any text that supports this

PastorAIO:
Not even the bible

PastorAIO:
The book of Daniel says that the king of Babylon made Daniel leader of the Magi (wise men),
but obviously the Magi in this case doesn't refer to Persian Zoroastrian priests

PastorAIO:
So there we have one example of the word magoi used to refer to wise men other than Zoroastrian priests.

PastorAIO:
In fact the word is also used to refer to a Jewish sorcerer in Acts 13:6

PastorAIO:
The book of Daniel was only accurate up to the point it was written.
All prophecies thereafter failed. That's how scholars know when it was written

MuttleyLaff:
Of course, no argument because they are incontrovertible

Yes, he served King Cyrus
and you heard right, the first time

The bible to start with

You don't say?
Oh wow! Why am I not surprised.
Not a first time and certainly wont be the last of reading ''I'm not aware of any...''

Ow! You're hurting me!
SMH facepalm!

Now, if you re-read well my earlier post, you'll see where I typed:
No one presumes Daniel to be a Zoroastrian
Daniel is a Magi and not a Zoroastrian

I'll from my previous post, repeat here, once more
What and/or who, is Zoroastrianism named after sef?

All prophecies thereafter failed? That's fiddlesticks and you know it.
Why dont you just pull the other leg, its got bells on it

MuttleyLaff:


All prophecies thereafter failed? That's fiddlesticks and you know it.
Why dont you just pull the other leg, its got bells on it

PastorAIO:
Without you presenting an argument to support any of this then there is nothing for me to respond to

PastorAIO:
I unlike some people I know I am well aware of the limits of my knowledge and I try to conduct myself accordingly. Yoruba teaches us that:
Ologbon kan ko le ta koko omi l'eti aso
Moran moran kan o le mo oye eepe ile.
No one is wise enough to know how to tie a knot of water on the fringe of their cloth
No one knows enough to know the number of grains of sand on the earth

PastorAIO:
So I try to practice continence when I speak. Furthermore I believe that is is a mark of the spirit agency that guide a person. The person that talks arrogantly and boasts and cajoles does so actually because it is a spirit of arrogance that inspires his speech

PastorAIO:
I haven't touched you sir. But I'm willing to bet that if you stop slapping your face with your palm your hurt will stop. meanwhile, Pele.

PastorAIO:
I stress the point that a Magi is not necessarily a zoroastrian priest because I am aware of attempts by many to try to hinge christianity unto zoroastrianism to gain legitimacy. You have tried to pull the same move yourself. Precisely here:
https://www.nairaland.com/3753404/hebrew-monotheistic-belief-product-religious/1#56168676

You said this:
The irony is that Magi must be privy to some sacred truth & knowledge for them to have journeyed and come to Bethlehem to worship God
in response to this:
Judaism is a derivation of Avesta mixed in with the Hebrew religion that they had before the exile to Babylon

PastorAIO:
Of course it is only a testament to the high regard that the priests of Avestan religion had all over the world that the word for 'wise man' in many languages became Magi

PastorAIO:
How is this relevant to anything that is being discussed?

PastorAIO:
I know it? What I know will follow in my next post.

MuttleyLaff:
So this Daniel prospered during the reign of Darius and the reign of Cyrus the Persian
- Daniel 6:28

MuttleyLaff:

In the spirit of that saying, we don't have to go to the last 2 chapters of Daniel (i.e. chapters 11 and 12) when closer home, in Daniel chapter 9, is the fulfilled Messianic prophecy, that can't be denied

PastorAIO:
I knew this was what you were going to come with. Please tell us then. What is the line of successions of Persian Kings? Since you are so knowledgeable.

Who was the King that conquered Babylon? And where did any King Darius fit into this?

Antiochus Attacks Egypt

16 When Antiochus had firmly established himself as king, he decided to conquer Egypt and rule that country as well as Syria.17 He invaded Egypt with a large fleet of ships and a powerful army, including chariots, elephants, and cavalry. 18 When the attack came, King Ptolemy of Egypt turned and fled, and many of his soldiers were killed. 19 Antiochus was able to capture the fortified cities of Egypt and plunder the whole land.

Antiochus Persecutes the Jews

20 In the year 143,[c] after the conquest of Egypt, Antiochus marched with a great army against the land of Israel and the city of Jerusalem. 21 In his arrogance, he entered the Temple and took away the gold altar, the lampstand with all its equipment, 22 the table for the bread offered to the Lord, the cups and bowls, the gold fire pans, the curtain, and the crowns. He also stripped all the gold from the front of the Temple 23 and carried off the silver and gold and everything else of value, including all the treasures that he could find stored there. 24 Then he took it all to his own country. He had also murdered many people and boasted arrogantly about it. 25 There was great mourning everywhere in the land of Israel.

1 Maccabees 1

MuttleyLaff:
So this Daniel prospered during the reign of Darius and the reign of Cyrus the Persian
- Daniel 6:28

Typical isn't it, not one to shy from trying to take advantage of the "Get out of jail" free card
You just can't win some, you provide bible references and they moan that they don't believe in the bible. Then you stop being forward with Bible references and they throw a strop that you dont back up remarks with Bible references

MuttleyLaff:


All prophecies thereafter failed? That's fiddlesticks and you know it.
Why dont you just pull the other leg, its got bells on it