Original Poster "anonimi
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anonimi:
http://www.leadershipnigeria.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=28:the-vague-future-of-nigeria&catid=28:friday-column&Itemid=56


Lord Lugard, the former governor-general of Nigeria, in 1926, wrote his unfiltered thought about Nigerians. From his book, The Dual Mandates, come these excerpts: "In character and temperament, the typical African of this race-type is a happy, thriftless, excitable person, lacking in self-control, discipline, and foresight. Naturally courageous, and naturally courteous and polite, full of personal vanity, with little sense of veracity, fond of music and loving weapons as an oriental loves jewellery.

His thoughts are concentrated on the events and feelings of the moment, and he suffers little from the apprehension for the future or grief for the past. His mind is far nearer to the animal world than that of the European or Asiatic, and exhibits something of the animals' placidity and want of desire to rise beyond the state he has reached.

"Through the ages, the African appears to have evolved no organised religious creed, and though some tribes appear to believe in a deity, the religious sense seldom rises above pantheistic animalism and seems more often to take the form of a vague dread of the supernatural. He lacks the power of organisation, and is conspicuously deficient in the management and control alike of men or business. He loves the display of power, but fails to realize its responsibility - he will work hard with a less incentive than most races. He has the courage of the fighting animal, an instinct rather than a moral virtue.

In brief, the virtues and defects of his race -type are those of attractive children, whose confidence when it is won is given ungrudgingly as to an older and wiser superior and without envy. Perhaps, the two traits which have impressed me as those most characteristic of the African native are his lack of apprehension and his lack of ability to visualize the future"


Guys lets discuss the thoughts of Lord Lugard. he had a supremacist view obviously. But is he right in the way he describes Nigerians and Africans in general? How many of the issues that he raises are valid?

Letz get some responses

that dead white cvck svcker..

I saw this post in another thread and I thought it was worth discussing about.
Does this perception of the African man by Lord Lugard, hold water.......is this this right. What are our thoughts about his views

khalids:
I saw this post in another thread and I thought it was worth discussing about.
Does this perception of the African man by Lord Lugard, hold water.......is this this right. What are our thoughts about his views

i said mine.....na cvck svcker...!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0stJkUWUyM

maybe the mo'fucker. described you thus, the need for you to discuss his deluded description of you!!! he didn't describe me to say the least.

khalids:
I saw this post in another thread and I thought it was worth discussing about.
Does this perception of the African man by Lord Lugard, hold water.......is this this right. What are our thoughts about his views

Of course Lord Lugard had supremacist views. He regarded the African as a barbarian. Maybe he is right because the same Africans later slaughtered themselves to the tune of over 3 million souls just to uphold the colonial contraption he (Lugard) created.

The same African is still answering the name Lugard and his wife invented



Lugard thought Africans (Nigerians) were barbarians and we proved him right by still keeping his torch burning instead of going to find our own torch

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liljboy:
It’s okay to marry a woman old enough to be your mother, you can still explain that as love, but someone old enough to be your grandmother?



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Bleep him

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The real 'Alpha House': Yes, this is where some Senators actually live

Paint peeling off the walls. Sheets for curtains. Broken blinds. A mangled wicker chair made settable with a board. An ancient stove with a giant hole. And there's also the pile of underwear in the living room.
What looks and feels like the most rundown frat house on campus is actually the Capitol Hill home of some of the most powerful men in Washington.
"Welcome to the Omega House," joked Dick Durbin, who is the second-ranking Democrat in the Senate.
"This is where I've lived for 31 years," boasted Chuck Schumer, the Senate's third-ranking Democrat.
It's hard to believe half the Senate Democratic leadership lives in these conditions, together. But they have for decades.
When Rep. George Miller, D-California, the third roommate and landlord, came in the door, he immediately ribbed the Senators as deadbeats.
"You guys get the rent from them?" asked Miller.
The house is so legendary that it inspired the new television series "Alpha House" on Amazon.com.
'How can this work?'
None of the real "Alpha House" members has seen the show, so they said. But they were all quick to say the characters -- who are Republicans -- are nothing like them.
"How can this work?" asked Durbin. "Republican Senators trying to make out they would live in a place like this."
They have a point, which may be why the creators of "Alpha House" cleaned up the fictitious home.
Maybe it's that life is stranger than fiction. Or, more likely, no one would believe prominent politicians would live the way they do in the real Alpha House.
"Wait a minute!" exclaimed Miller, the owner, when we pointed that out.
But he was feigning offense. Thirty seconds with the three and it is clear they revel in the notoriety of their living conditions.
Still, it has been years since they all gathered for this kind of interview and tour of the Capitol Hill row house.
The odd living arrangement began in the early '80s -- when Miller's family decided they no longer wanted to live in D.C., and moved back to the California district he represents.
Miller was living in the house alone until one night when there was a snowstorm and former Democratic Rep. Marty Russo of Illinois stayed over so he could walk to the Capitol.
They decided to make it permanent since it was convenient. They soon convinced Schumer, a House member at the time, to move in.
They had other roommates over the years that have since retired or been defeated, including former CIA Director and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, when he was in Congress.
But what is most striking about the place, aside from the mess, is that it's a time warp. They've done virtually nothing to update since Miller's family left three decades ago.
Jackson Browne and the Beatles
Records -- real vinyl -- line the bookshelf. One of them was Jackson Browne's "The Pretender," which came out in 1976. Another was an old Beatles album.
"The same exact records are there now as the day I moved in, 1982, 31 years ago," Schumer said.
Then there are the dust-covered books that were bestsellers in the early '80s.
The furniture is a hodgepodge of what the lawmakers salvaged from various relatives and other parts of their lives.
Durbin took one of the couches from his son, who was about to throw it out.
"He put it out in the trash -- it had to be 12, 14 years ago -- and I said it's better than anything we have. So we reclaimed it," Durbin recalled.
He said the coffee table is 46 years old -- the first piece of furniture Durbin and his wife bought when they were married.
"We're not afraid of the burglars," Miller said, "because we've been burgled twice and they took nothing."
The living room, virtually the only room on the first floor of the house, also serves as Schumer's bedroom. But "bedroom" is a generous term.
He sleeps on a mattress next to the kitchen. He half-made his bed for our visit, which Durbin said was a lot more effort than Schumer usually makes.
"I spruced it up for your coming here," joked Schumer.

Too much information

There is no bathroom on the first floor, so Schumer has to use one on the second floor, where Miller and Durbin have actual bedrooms, with doors.
"When you're my age, at four in the morning to trudge up the stairs to the bathroom, it's no picnic," Schumer shared.
Next to his mattress is a door to the outside, with broken and bent blinds.
"I can see the weather without having to get out of bed," Schumer said. "It's a special effect."
His ties are strewn over an old couch, which serves as his makeshift closet.
And then, there's the kitchen.
The freezer doesn't work. The refrigerator is a sight to behold, but exactly what you would imagine based on the rest of the house: beer cans and old food, including a baguette so hard that Schumer grabbed it and demonstrated how you can use it as a weapon.
The stovetop has a giant hole, which Miller said, perhaps in jest, was made by the rats they've found in the house -- which they still have traps around to catch.
"I thought the rats were in the Senate. I didn't know they came to the House," Miller said without missing a beat.
Since the only visible cookware is a kettle so rusty and old that Miller joked it was a gift from Ben Franklin, the three men resort to the easiest meal possible: cold cereal.
The counter is covered with bulk boxes of Raisin Bran, Mini-Wheats and Kashi. And there is a giant plastic bag of sweetener, which looks like it has been swiped from various fundraisers along the way.
"I prefer Raisin Bran. But I like the Mini-Wheats," Durbin said.
"When you come home late at night and you have to still stay up to work, my incentive? Some people like a nice, you know, jigger of scotch. Mine is Raisin Bran. It keeps me up and I read the newspapers," Schumer said.

Early risers

What is a typical day in the house like?
Durbin is usually the first one up and out at 5:30 a.m. when he goes to the gym. Next is Miller, who usually takes a morning walk around the monuments.
"They leave while I'm sleeping. We do it by design. We hate each other," Schumer said, laughing.

In all seriousness, they don't do much hanging out together here. Unlike the "Alpha House" characters, the real lawmakers are rarely home at the same time.
"He comes in at 12 o'clock at night talking on his cell phone," Miller said of Schumer. "Half his staff must be in Hawaii for picking up the phone at midnight."
It is hard to believe such high-profile politicians live in these conditions.
"When my wife comes, she will not stay here," Schumer confessed.
What helps make it work is that [size=13pt]they're only in Washington about three nights a week.[/size]
And, Miller said, they're good friends.
"We all have different schedules. We all have different interests. You can come back here. You can catch up with one another. You can catch up with the House and the Senate. We know one another's families, so you know what the kids are doing. You know what the grandkids are doing," Miller said.
"I might add location, location, location," Durbin interjected. The house is just blocks from the Capitol.
"It is close to where we work. And it's easy to get back and forth, and I think that has spoiled us," Durbin said.
Durbin sums up another reason he's lived here for 21 years, and Schumer for 31, this way:
"We love it. It's home."

From: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/12/04/politics/real-alpha-house/

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What he conjectured is true. We know this in our hearts. When you complain of your country, economy, leaders, boss, other tribes, etc, all these things can be found in those words. Face the truth! The white man even used this analysis to conquer us. They wouldn't have done so if it wasn't true. The reason we may reject this is because we don't want to apply it to ourselves but this largely depicts who the African is.

A black is naturally selfish, self centered, destructive, unproductive and myopic.

It is who we are, we are born with it, thats y africa is so backward and corrupt

Christianity that might have helped us, is been abused and being turned into religion hypocrisy

You're talking about a man who was prejudiced against the Africans even while he was still a foetus in his mother's womb. And we are also talking about a man old enough to have been an active participant or at least a witness of slave trade.

What were you expecting?

Some African ethnic groups had already developed an advanced system of governance no doubt, before the whites came to explore the "dark continent"

The Yoruba race had a pantheon of gods that rivalled that of the Greeks and the Romans.

Exotic cuisines, different beautiful and durable cloth fabrics, an enduring sociocultural life, a polytonal language, a stable system of trade within themselves and between neighbouring and far flung traders.

Unfortunately, the incursion of the Europeans caused a dire break in the development of Africa and her tribes.

Medicine wasn't some chemical pills you popped in your mouth to cure headache, but in the long run gave you liver cancer?

Plants and herbs formed a major part of our medicine. The quinine which was discovered in the barks of trees like dongoyaro, also known as the Neem tree was taken from here and patented into anti malaria drugs, expensive drugs, I might add. Imhotep, the great "Egyptian" physician who was actually demonized in that silly movie, "The Mummy" franchise, was actually the father of medicine throughout the world and there are studies linking him to an Ethnic group currently in West Africa. (Of course, I'm sure we all know that the Ancient Egyptians, known then as Kemet were black negroes like us and this present civilization started from Egypt)

I could go on and on really.

Just suffice to say that old Lord Luggard was an ignorant dolt (pardon my language) who had no knowledge whatsoever of the history of the people they were lucky to have colonized.

That's what happens when there's no unity among brothers. Outsiders come and take advantage.

South Africans, beware.

Non-Sense

They did that to justify their oppression

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Muafrika2:
Non-Sense

They did that to justify their oppression

What did the Alaafin of Oyo do to justify his oppression of those he conquered and co-opted into the defunct Oyo Empire?
What did the Sultan of Sokoto do to justify his oppression of those he conquered and co-opted into the Sokoto Caliphate?
What did the Oba of Bini do justify his oppression of those he conquered and co-opted into the Bini/ Benin Kingdom?
When shall we get serious about facing our challenges head-on instead of deflecting to others


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LoveDecay:
Lord Lugard was wrong and he knew it. Numerous text have proven this as a fact.

I feel ashamed that a Nigerian would consider the musings of "white man" who came to steal,plunder,decimate and subjugate your forefathers and ancestors for commercial and economic purposes.

How is that different from that of any LOCAL oppressor- chief, king, politician etc

Why would you trust a man's words who was not your friend. The "white man" used the black race as "undignified" slaves and their natural resources as grease to oil their barren economies and fuel their toxic manufacturing plants. And, you have the guts to post what one of them wrote and ask us to discuss it with you.

Barren at what point in history?
The same "toxic manufacturing plants" produce almost everything that we black people have used for the past decades, if not centuries since we are too mentally lazy and only keen for consuming all today rather than save and invest for our corporate progress. Exactly as described by Lugard a century ago!

Let me enlighten you - the black man had been victorious, accomplished and glorious before the white man came with the "maxim gun". Their is no proof on this earth that shows the white man is more superior to the black man. If you have any, please share it.

Are the below threads good enough


https://www.nairaland.com/3436650/give-birth-usa-cost-procedures (134 pages and 174421 Views)


https://www.nairaland.com/2656320/usa-visit-visa-part-2 (331 pages and 487145 Views)


https://www.nairaland.com/3024188/travelling-canada-part-10 (402 pages and 442374 Views)

I am sure you can share equivalent threads on similarly popular forum as nairaland from the US, UK or Canada.
Let me add the thread below as jara for you.

todaynewsreview:
The bodies of at least 74 migrants have been washed ashore in western Libya, in the latest tragedy along the dangerous trafficking route to Europe. The Libyan Red Crescent posted photos of dozens of bodies in black and white bags lined up along the shore near the western city of Zawiya.
A spokesman for the aid organisation said there were still bodies floating out at sea as the agency had no way of retrieving them. He said the migrants were all adults, mostly from sub-Saharan African countries, and all but three were men.
The UN migration agency, the International Organisation of Migration (IOM), said the dinghy had set off on Saturday with 110 people on board. The agency said traffickers deliberately took the engines from the boat and then abandoned it to drift.


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anonimi:


How is that different from that of any LOCAL oppressor- chief, king, politician etc





Barren at what point in history?
The same "toxic manufacturing plants" produce almost everything that we black people have used for the past decades, if not centuries since we are too mentally lazy and only keen for consuming all today rather than save and invest for our corporate progress. Exactly as described by Lugard a century ago!




Are the below threads good enough


https://www.nairaland.com/3436650/give-birth-usa-cost-procedures (134 pages and 174421 Views)


https://www.nairaland.com/2656320/usa-visit-visa-part-2 (331 pages and 487145 Views)


https://www.nairaland.com/3024188/travelling-canada-part-10 (402 pages and 442374 Views)

I am sure you can share equivalent threads on similarly popular forum as nairaland from the US, UK or Canada.
Let me add the thread below as jara for you.

stop insulting your ancestors to prove a white cvck svcker right...

you are black..you suppose to hate white people not defending them...

let whites defend themselves..its not your job to defend them..
your job is to protect your own family no matter how messed up they may be...

darknetcom:
stop insulting your ancestors to prove a white cvck svcker right...

you are black..you suppose to hate white people not defending them...

let whites defend themselves..its not your job to defend them..
your job is to protect your own family no matter how messed up they may be...

Who is defending who?
Telling the truth to ourselves ensures we straighten ourselves up.
I protect my family by educating them and getting them to work hard to accumulate wealth and help each other grow/develop further so as not to be unduly dependent on others.
How do you protect your own family? By making them feel good and covering up their messed up life
Please, would you mind to define stupidity sir?


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anonimi:


Who is defending who?
Telling the truth to ourselves ensures we straighten ourselves up.
I protect my family by educating them and getting them to work hard to accumulate wealth and help each other grow/develop further so as not to be unduly dependent on others.
How do you protect your own family? By making them feel good and covering up their messed up life
Please, would you mind to define stupidity sir?


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look....you can not convince people to listen to you to change,if you dont defend them a tall and even join their enemies to abuse them..

how do you want them to listen to you when you join their enemies that enslaved them for 400years and colonized them??..thats not nice of you..

first defend them no matter what then they will listen to you and maybe even change...

darknetcom:
that dead white cvck svcker..

.........like the 93 year old maximum ruler in Zimbabwe, who also sucks white cvck

Mugabe promised $3,4m to US lobbyists

TWO United States men have been charged with illegally lobbying to have sanctions lifted against President Robert Mugabe.

Mail and Guardian

US federal prosecutors have announced charges against two Chicago men, whom they accuse of illegally lobbying US lawmakers to lift sanctions against Mugabe and members of his regime in exchange for a promised $3,4 million.

Prince Asiel Ben Israel (72) and Gregory Turner (71) allegedly tried to persuade unnamed US state and federal lawmakers to oppose the sanctions against Zimbabwe.

The charges against them indicate that the men met with Mugabe, Zimbabwe Reserve Bank governor Gideon Gono and other officials “multiple times” in the US and in Africa, and allegedly agreed to lobby US federal and state officials on Zimbabwe’s behalf in exchange for the promised payments, which the defendants apparently weren’t able to collect in full.

The accused allegedly also got several unnamed state and federal lawmakers to write letters expressing their interest or commitment to helping Mugabe and Gono, arranged for Mugabe to meet with federal and state government officials in New York and attempted to get Gono and other Zimbabwean officials on a list of speakers at a forum hosted by a Californian member of the House of Representatives.

According to the charges, Ben Israel and Turner began talking with Mugabe and other Zimbabwean leaders in early November 2008 regarding the influence they could exert to lift the sanctions originally imposed by former US president George W Bush.

More from: https://www.newsday.co.zw/2013/08/08/mugabe-promised-34m-to-us-lobbyists/

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anonimi:


.........like the 93 year old maximum ruler in Zimbabwe, who also sucks white cvck






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look....you can not convince people to listen to you to change,if you dont defend them a tall and even join their enemies to abuse them..

how do you want them to listen to you when you join their enemies that enslaved them for 400years and colonized them??..thats not nice of you..

first defend them no matter what then they will listen to you and maybe even change...

This is Buharis fault...

darknetcom:
look....you can not convince people to listen to you to change,if you dont defend them a tall and even join their enemies to abuse them..

how do you want them to listen to you when you join their enemies that enslaved them for 400 years and colonized them??..thats not nice of you..

first defend them no matter what then they will listen to you and maybe even change...

You don't have to tell lies to justify your position.
Our ancestors captured and sold their brethren for alcohol, mirrors, umbrellas etc to Arabs and oyinbos.
The oyinbos took the initiative to stop the trade yet our local slave traders continued the trade.
We blacks are the only race who sold our own people massively as slaves to others.

Madam Tinubu: Inside the political and business empire of a 19th century heroine

She was the wealthiest woman in Yorubaland in the 19th century, controlling 360 slaves and trade routes with European merchants. She was a Queen who helped to instal kings. She fought against European domination of her people. And centuries after her death, Madam Efunporoye Tinubu remains a heroine
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Merchants didn’t come bigger than Tinubu. She bought slaves from the hinterland and sold to the Europeans at the coast at exorbitant prices, using her shrewd business acumen, she managed to monopolise the trade, preventing Europeans from dealing directly with the hinterland. Her slaves also ran her trade in palm-oil, cotton, elephant tusk, alcoholic drinks etc.

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darknetcom:
look....you can not convince people to listen to you to change,if you dont defend them a tall and even join their enemies to abuse them..

how do you want them to listen to you when you join their enemies that enslaved them for 400years and colonized them??..thats not nice of you..

first defend them no matter what then they will listen to you and maybe even change...

Did the white Europeans defend Adolf Hitler when he was murdering Jews so that he will "listen and maybe even change"
Did Abraham Lincoln defend his fellow American slave owners in the South so that they will "listen and maybe even change"



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anonimi:


You don't have to tell lies to justify your position.
Our ancestors captured and sold their brethren for alcohol, mirrors, umbrellas etc to Arabs and oyinbos.
The oyinbos took the initiative to stop the trade yet our local slave traders continued the trade.
We blacks are the only race who sold our own people massively as slaves to others.





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you just dont get it..

i needed time to understand slavery too..
you are looking at slavery from the angle of europeans..

forget what whites told you about slavery,go look in the books yourself..even nollywood tried and tried to explain slavery to blacks but nobody listened..we rather believe hollywood...

african slavery was a punishment system..
we didnt have jails,that was our jail system..

it was never intended to own a human being till they die and even their children over generations..

you mess up..you get punished for a period of time and released..

the europeans industrialized it,what was very wrong...

darknetcom:
you just dont get it..

i needed time to understand slavery too..
you are looking at slavery from the angle of europeans..

forget what whites told you about slavery,go look in they books yourself..even nollywood tried and tried to explain slavery to blacks but nobody listened..we rather believe hollywood...

african slavery was a punishment system..
it was never intended to own a human being till they die..

you mess up..you get punished for a period of time and released..

the europeans industrialized it,what was very wrong...

Punishment for being captured in war?
Punishment for being sold by the owner?
You are in denial and can't be redeemed if you do not acknowledge the challenge first.
Please show credible links that slaves were released from their "punishment" in Africa.
Thanks
Meanwhile more extracts from The Nation's story on madam Tinubu =>

But one of her favourite acquisitions was land. In 1834, she bought a large expanse of land in Lagos mainland, some of which she used as her farm and warehouse. According to historical accounts, in 1834, Tinubu purchased a large expanse of land from the Oloto family. According to history, Oloto Pawu, who died in 1627, was the first and original settler on a piece of land which included Ewe Agbigbo and Iwaya farmlands around 1592.

It was the 6th Oloto, Baalo Oriagbaya, who reigned between 1816 to 1859, who ceded to Madam Tinubu with the aid of Prince Akintoye, Ewe Agbigbo and Iwaya farmland, on behalf of the Oloto Chieftaincy family under Native Law and Customs. Tinubu paid 200 bags of cowries, 200 pieces of kola nuts, ten slaves and a ram to the Oloto family.
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Yes, she traded in slaves and kept many for her use, but in her days, slavery was regarded as a legitimate business which had no impact on the moral consciousness of the practitioners. Her approach to treating slaves was different, unlike some of her contemporaries – Efunsetan Aniwura (Iyalode of Ibadan) – she treated her slaves well. They were in charge of many of her businesses; this is why her estate was despoiled after her death because her slaves were the only ones who knew the details of it.

anonimi:


Punishment for being captured in war?
Punishment for being sold by the owner?
You are in denial and can't be redeemed if you do not acknowledge the challenge first.
Please show credible links that slaves were released from their "punishment" in Africa.
Thanks
Meanwhile more extracts from The Nation's story on madam Tinubu =>

why did they started wars to start with??..

ask yoursef that question first then you will slowly start to understand..

as the europeans start fingering in the system thats how everything went haywire..

and dont forget..we had corrupt fellows that time too as we have today...

i was like you years back before i started asking questions without considering the opinions of whites...

i went back to reading books that were writing by only blacks..i watched nollywood videos about slavery in west africa...people were released..they either then intermarried into the family or sendt away back to were they were captured...

nollywood tried alot to educate people on this matter but not many listened...

I found this extract about Efunsetan Aniwura to debunk the claim of slaves being in punishment for a while.

After the death of her daughter, every thing took a new turn. She was no longer submissive to God or the King, for according to her, God has failed her. So, God should manage his heaven while she managed her own earth. She killed her slaves at will for committing atrocities either by beheading, poisoning, etc. She gave a sanction that no cry of a child must be heard in her domain, neither must conception, courtship nor marriage take place. Any female that conceived would either die or have the pregnancy terminated by forceful abortion depending on her (Efunsetan) choice while the man responsible would die.

Read more: http://www.goodbooksafrica.com/2014/11/iyalode-efunsetan-aniwuraiyalode-ibadan.html#ixzz4ZgIFlE5T

anonimi:
I found this extract about Efunsetan Aniwura to debunk the claim of slaves being in punishment for a while.

remember??..

corrupt people.?..

that was not the norm...

we still have them today..

aka mama piss...