Pastafarian


you need to speak for yourself, there's apparently no "confusion" when they're having their homosexual act, if there was they wouldn't be homo bro, I mean is it that they intentionally chose " confusion "? That is what i dont understand how they derive pleasure from it

I think the mistake you're making is that you're looking at this from your own perspective and making conjecture about how their sex would look like
I am looking at the from the perspective on sex which human beings had when they first came to be.


If the first group of humans were homosexuals. We wouldnt exist today- hence why i am saying it is not natural



I agree that they can't get pregnant and have children but if that's what they want they can always do ivf and other options - Technically they are not having children. They are taking another persons child(ren) and raising them as their own. Basically, a grown up version of "mummy and daddy"

Update : I was just joking in the last parrt




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NigerianScholar:
ilynem
From the christian perspective, out of 12, 1 faulted. There will always be a Judas. Excellent - let us put this at about 9%

Now from your "logical" perspective, if I bring up my child properly, chances are, he will not end up to be a nuisance to the society. That is why parents take their time to train their children, if not, why bother? Chances is the keyword. Like i said above. "I am not trying to say what your child will or wont become i am just trying to use some rough statistics to back up my point" Therell always be a chance that your child will become a nuisance to the society. Like i said above. 9% there can be a 9% chance your child will be a nuisance. And that small probability may become a reality no matter how well you train the child. Remember external factors also apple friends,neighbours,media,popular culture etc


So let me ask you sir, if your child grows up to be a thief, what will u do? - GIve proper Counsel...i wont force him/her to be what he doesnt want to be. After the counsel amd if the child decides to be a thief. Ill allow it even though i wont be happy inside but the love i have for my child will still be there.

know that rebellion is the product of coercion

But do you agree with me that if we all decide to see stealing as normal, that 9% will increase drastically?

ilynem:

So why support homosexuality but bash incest?

I don't support discrimination on the basis of Gender, Skin colour or Sexual orientation. Incest is another matter altogether.

Sarassin:


I don't support discrimination on the basis of Gender, Skin colour or Sexual orientation. Incest is another matter altogether.

Is incest not a king of sexual orientation?

ilynem:

But do you agree with me that if we all decide to see stealing as normal, that 9% will increase drastically?

i agree. But whether you do or not. That possibility is still there. No one wants to give birth to a thief

ilynem:

Is incest not a king of sexual orientation?

No sir, incest is a crime. In the case of the mother you highlighted it is a clear perversion and an abuse of familial trust.

NigerianScholar:
i agree. But whether you do or not. That possibility is still there. No one wants to give birth to a thief

That is exactly what I am against people seeing homosexuality as normal. The media potrays it as normal and we need to protect our kids.

ilynem:

That is exactly what I am against people seeing homosexuality as normal. The media potrays it as normal and we need to protect our kids.

I dont see it as normal even though it looks normal to them i see homosexuals as people that have problem but that doesnt mean we should kill them or not talk to them. Rather we should accept them as regular members of the society

As for me if you are homosexual. I can be your friend just dont come near me with any intent
of doing anything gay

NigerianScholar:


I dont see it as normal even though it looks normal to them i see homosexuals as people that have problem but that doesnt mean we should kill them or not talk to them. Rather we should accept them as regular members of the society

As for me if you are homosexual. I can be your friend just dont come near me with any intent
of doing anything gay

Exactly. My point is, once we start seeing this as normal, very soon, incest will be seen as normal and so on. I don't discriminate them, I don't hate them at all.

And the perversion continues

Pastafarian:


the point of the write up is that allowing gay people to be open and stand for their rights might in consequence lead to incestuous people being given the same privileges down the line (slippery slope)

I think one doesn't necessarily lead to the other, there have been lots and lots of studies on homosexuality and most scientific studies found it not wrong and that some people are born that way

on the other hand a lot have been found to be wrong in incest

USA didn't just wake up one morning and allowed gay marriage, they did so after lots of research, questions, arguments and medical findings

I remember you saying since animals are gay, it's okay for you to be gay. You Even went on to say incest wasn't wrong.

Ah, hopefullandlord is a degenerate.

analice107:

I remember you saying since animals are gay, it's okay for you to be gay. You Even went on to say incest wasn't wrong.

Ah, hopefullandlord is a degenerate.

show me where I said such...... prove it!

ilynem:

I do not think there is any research that proves that people are born gay. Studies conducted have not been able to discover a single gene which is the direct curse of homosexuality. I believe upbringing and environment plays a huge part. Don't be fooled by what the media and movies show you sir.
And if everyone starts claiming to be born gay, I can also stand up and claim to be born to love animals (is there a name for this already) or love my sister and other forms of nonsense.

I stumbled on an article about this, and at the comment section, the people who saw themselves as being born gay all confessed of being sexually molested by either their parents or family members of the same sexes at the very tender ages of about 3 to10. Afterwards they began feeling sexually attracted to the same sexes when they grew up to start having sex.

They all masturbated heavily starting from as early as age4.

There was a pattern in their testimonies which indicates that Homosexuality is demon possession. All of them grew up having sex in their dreams, both males and females, then they began masturbating, later desired same sex partners.

I believe it's a spirit of perversion. It enters people who molests others, then takes the bodies of the kids and make them grow like that, believing they were born that way since they never desire the opposite sex before.

Hopefullandlord, are you gay? be bold to admit what you are. No shakes, after all, you are an atheist.

CatfishBilly:

The causes of homosexuality are multifactorial, no one can pin point a single cause.
Animals have been shown to indulge in homosexual activities, I read about one today where female koalas indulge in lesbian orgies. That means homosexuality occurs naturally in our environment, it is not the most represented sexual orientation in the population, but it is not an anomaly. Just like saying people that have blood group AB negative are not natural since they are so few in the population.
Scientists though agree on one thing, homosexuality is not a choice.
Pick up a textbook on history of sexuality and sexual psychology, it's eye opening.
Wikipedia is a good start.

Why do i find all atheists taking a stand for homosexuality? Is it because the Bible is against it?

ilynem:

Animals engage in incest too. Is that normal? A dog can mate with its mother, is that normal?
If it is not a choice, how come people stop being gay? There are lots of cases where people actually stopped being gay. And how did it happen? By choice.

The question should be, shd we now do as dogs do? Are we so degenerated that we begin to copy dogs?

Lord!!!!, Human beings now compare themselves with animals. because dogs are doing it, it's alright to do it.

Why aren't this atheists having sex publicly in broad day light since dogs do it?

analice107:

I stumbled on an article about this, and at the comment section, the people who saw themselves as being born gay all confessed of being sexually molested by either their parents or family members of the same sexes at the very tender ages of about 3 to10. Afterwards they began feeling sexually attracted to the same sexes when they grew up to start having sex.

They all masturbated heavily starting from as early as age4.

There was a pattern in their testimonies which indicates that Homosexuality is demon possession. All of them grew up having sex in their dreams, both males and females, then they began masturbating, later desired same sex partners.

I believe it's a spirit of perversion. It enters people who molests others, then takes the bodies of the kids and make them grow like that, believing they were born that way since they never desire the opposite sex before.

Hopefullandlord, are you gay? be bold to admit what you are. No shakes, after all, you are an atheist.

we are all here to learn, if you "stumbled on an article" like you said, you can help us with such an article

I can stick my neck out by claiming such an article would be written by Christian/religious organisations to make homosexuality look as bad as they want it to and using some anecdotes to make conclusions

about me being gay or not, I honestly don't know what gave rise to such a question, this is like asking if I'm a slave cuz I'm antislavery or if I'm a woman cuz I want women to have equal rights

CatfishBilly:

Bestiality is a crime in almost every country that I can think of. Animals can't give consent, so anyone having sex with animals is raping them, so that's a punishable offence.
Whoever shot that pornoooo you watched is a criminal and is going straight to prison if caught.

As for why incest is wrong, this can help you https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding
Read under genetic disorders if you can't read the whole thing.

Dr why is incest wrong?

analice107:

Why do i find all atheists taking a stand for homosexuality? Is it because the Bible is against it?

it's because no one has been able to objectively tell us what's wrong in it except some book said so or personal repulsion

Pastafarian:

if you think about it, nothing is stopping anybody from doing anything, has bible stopped pastors from fornicating? did it stop Christians from being involved in the Holocaust? did it stop the church from being hugely responsible for the Rwandan genocide?

my point is that animals can't give consent and having sex with them is tantamount to "rape"; what is marriage? shouldn't it involve two consenting "animals"?, do you see me getting married to a brain dead hospitalised human as " marriage"?

there's a greater risk of bearing deformed offsprings

then again you haven't answered mine, you only answered with a question of your own, why is homosexuality wrong?

Homosexuality is wrong becos it negates the course of nature?
Humans needs to procreate, Homosexuality negates that. It's totally disgusting.

analice107:

Homosexuality is wrong becos it negates the course of nature?
Humans needs to procreate, Homosexuality negates that. It's totally disgusting.

homosexuals can still have children

CatfishBilly:

Killing is in direct opposition to empathy and humans have empathy, so, killing is wrong. Killing is natural, but our empathy makes it wrong.

Sexual Psychologists have agreed that homosexuality is not a choice. So, until there is a new research to suggest otherwise, I'm sticking with them.
Who told you that it's a mental disorder? Any study or research to back up your claim or you're just arguing based on personal opinion?

As for HIV, yea, men who sleep with men are more susceptible. Not homosexuals. Besides, HIV first appeared in medical journals in the 1920s in a heterosexual African man.

Cc: Spacetacular. Is this true?

Pastafarian:
homosexuals can still have children

How?

Pastafarian:


it's because no one has been able to objectively tell us what's wrong in it except some book said so or personal repulsion

If we are to be separated into three groups;
1. Opposite sex: Males ans females.
2. Only Males.
3. Only females
And, leave us like that for a 100 years, what do you think will happen to the only males and the only females?

You have not seen anything wrong because we are still kept together. they adopt kids which come as a result of two opposites sexes coming together to produce.

You said Homosexuals can also have kids by taking the male sperms and fertilizing it with his partners Testosterone?

Pastafarian:


we are all here to learn, if you "stumbled on an article" like you said, you can help us with such an article

I can stick my neck out by claiming such an article would be written by Christian/religious organisations to make homosexuality look as bad as they want it to and using some anecdotes to make conclusions

about me being gay or not, I honestly don't know what gave rise to such a question, this is like asking if I'm a slave cuz I'm antislavery or if I'm a woman cuz I want women to have equal rights

I did post it here and you guys dismissed it just like you just did now.
Am glad it wasn't Nigerian or African, but it was an American who wrote the article, and most of the commenter were not Christians.

analice107:

If we are to be separated into three groups;
1. Opposite sex: Males ans females.
2. Only Males.
3. Only females
And, leave us like that for a 100 years, what do you think will happen to the only males and the only females?

You have not seen anything wrong because we are still kept together. they adopt kids which come as a result of two opposites sexes coming together to produce.

You said Homosexuals can also have kids by taking the male sperms and fertilizing it with his partners Testosterone?

nope, they don't necessarily need to have it together, there's ivf and other options if they want babies

analice107:

I did post it here and you guys dismissed it just like you just did. Am glad it wasn't Nigerian of African. It was American who wrote the article, and most of the commenter were not Christians.

still, no article surfaces

Pastafarian:


show me where I said such...... prove it!

You are denying it? Even here right now you have repeated it. Why do you lie like this?

Hopefullandlord, this is the third thread we are having this discussion and you taking the stance you are taking now, yet you want to blatantly lie?

You have always brought up the animals being gay as a basis for humans to be.

Biko gawa.

CatfishBilly:

According to Sigmund Freud, one if his less popular works is that children have sexual urges. But they can't give informed consent. They don't understand what they are doing, what it takes and stuff, so, that makes bestiality wrong.

Yeah, homosexuals have a higher risk of contracting sexually transmitted infections and that is just because the anal mucosa have a wide surface area, so, whatever wants to enter has a wide surface area to work with.
Females are also much more likely to contact STD because of the large surface area of the vagina too.

Should Sigmund Freud speak for you in this case? Were you ever a child? Did you feel sexual urge?

At what age did you begin feeling sexual urge? I mean if you had never been introduced to sex at a very tender age.

because i never felt sexual urge as a child, did you?

Should Sigmund Freud tell me about what i should know better about myself?

Sarassin:
I for one do not understand all the hypocritical gut-wrenching by religionists over the matter of homosexuality. It has been with us since the dawn of civilisation, the poems and philosophy of Plato as far back as 427BCE gave us the expression of “Greek principles” used to describe male homosexuality. History tells us that the Athenian Socrates favoured young teenagers and as for female homosexuality, we have to come forward in time to around 6BCE around when Jesus of Nazareth was born and journey to the Greek island of Lesbos where the poetess Sappho lived with a group of young girls in her care and extolled her love of young women.

What consenting adults get up to on their own dime should not concern religionists but I am not condoning incest, If that story is true then the mother in that instance is simply unconscionable and the law should be enforced.

Which of the Jesus of Nazareth's? Jesus Of Nazareth journeyed to where, Caro mia? Pls sweet heart keep Jesus out of this filth biko.

kevoh:

So if one can not tolerate homosexuals, what do you suggest we do to homosexuals? Lock them up? Murder them? Hunt them like Hitler hunted the Jews?

Do nothing to them, but at least not push down their lies of it being normal down our throats.

I don't really care about them, but they should also keep themselves away from me.

analice107:

You are denying it? Even here right now you have repeated it. Why do you lie like this?

all you need do is quote where I said those exact words, its that simple

Hopefullandlord, this is the third thread we are having this discussion and you taking the stance you are taking now, yet you want to blatantly lie?

refer above

You have always brought up the animals being gay as a basis for humans to be.

Biko gawa. [/quote]

nope, I use it as "one of the basis" that's NOT the basis

kevoh:

Point 1: Stealing is not on the same level as homosexualism and can not be compared.
Point 2: What would you do if your kids continued committing incest despite your preaching that is abnormal?
Point 3: You and other christians are the ones calling homosexualism abomination. Yet, I see christians giving testimonies when they get Visas to countries where this so-called abomination is allowed.
Point 4: Nigeria passed a law of 14 years to homosexuals. Yet Nigerian homosexuals still come out to identify themselves. Saudi Arabia has a death penalty on homosexuals, yet homosexualism is still flourishing there. These are countries that have refused to see it as normal!

What you fail to understand is you religionist people keep poke nosing into what two consenting adults decide to do in their room.

Kia Kevoh. So because Homosexuality is allowed in America Christians should stop going to America? So what should American Christians do, relocate because their country celebrates homosexuality?

Kevoh, syealing is a sin and a crime so also is homosexuality. So is stealing different?