ilynem:

The Manchester bombing! That's so sad and unfortunate. Heard about it this morning.

Yes. 22 dead so far though M15 has been working hard to sift through everything and have also arrested a 23yr old in relation to the bombing.

It's a mess. The Queen already made an address this morning.

analice107:

Oh Lawdddd, those are the worst. It's an abnormally. they have sex with women and with men? that's the height of depravity.

Come O Lord Jesus, Come.

so there's no more "if we separate them"?

bennyann:


The lessons I've learnt on homosexuality topics here on nairaland is that, human beings are to learn the behaviours of animals and apply it to their lives.

I never knew that's how low humans have become.

Yep, that's how depraved they have become.

Hopefullandlord once asked me what was wrong with a man having sex with his dog if he loves his dog. I almost fell off my chair.

If i meet these atheists in real life, i wont share a plate of food with them. The things they say and can do?

Pastafarian:


so there's no more "if we separate them"?

Guy Satan is wicked.

The thought of it alone... urrggg

analice107:

Hopefullandlord once asked me what was wrong with a man having sex with his dog if he loves his dog. I almost fell off my chair.

and you're yet to backup this accusation of yours with evidence

analice107:

Guy Satan is wicked.

The thought of it alone... urrggg

like I already said on the front-page of this thread, the two reasons people are against gay marriage is because a book who's authenticity is up for debate said so or personal repulsion at the idea

Akiintom:


Are you sure you learnt that here?

Yes now. Almost every topic on homosexuality carries something like, then why do animals act like that if it isn't natural. Even animals are homosexuals.....

The comparisons are just too much. We're talking about humans for crying out loud. So I drew my conclusion from the comparisons.

All I see here are people arguing against Homosexuality based on their own personal opinion. Not evidence.
All they come up with is "It is not natural"
I've asked this question, Define natural. No answers yet.
I'm asking it again, define natural.

glowryhaa:
it's so pathetic the western world supports their sick desires... And call it "freedom"

You can say that again.

bennyann:


Yes now. Almost every topic on homosexuality carries something like, then why do animals act like that if it isn't natural. Even animals are homosexuals.....

The comparisons are just too much. We're talking about humans for crying out loud. So I drew my conclusion from the comparisons.

The "animals do it" example is to debunk the "It's not natural" opinion. Simple.
If it's not natural, then animals shouldn't be doing it.

bennyann:


When you say 'by choice' , what do you mean?

?

Within the domain of scientific determinants of homosexuality, the homosexuals are not different from heterosexuals. Only in their sexual orientation are they different.

It's may also interest you to know, that amongst the heterosexuals, because of hormonal dynamics, some are meagerly attracted to the opposite sex erotically.

I know a man, who is only drawn to his wife, ONLY when they wanted to have baby. After which, he's off.

spacetacular:


Yes. 22 dead so far though M15 has been working hard to sift through everything and have also arrested a 23yr old in relation to the bombing.

It's a mess. The Queen already made an address this morning.

This is so sad. God help us all.

Pastafarian:


it seems that going by the wonderful logic of this hypothetical scenario Analice107 keeps trotting out like a gotcha that she hasn't even considered bisexuals

so if "separating and no children possible" is all she's got what then does she have to say to bisexuals?

She gave you a controlled environment of 3 divisions.
1. Males only
2. Females only
3. Males and females

Where then do you think the bisexuals will want to fall into?

bennyann:


Yes now. Almost every topic on homosexuality carries something like, then why do animals act like that if it isn't natural. Even animals are homosexuals.....

The comparisons are just too much. We're talking about humans for crying out loud. So I drew my conclusion from the comparisons.

I once saw a thread by an atheist here on why Humans are not so special. So apparently we are not different from animals. That's what they think. So it is understanding if they compare us to animals at every turn.

CatfishBilly:
All I see here are people arguing against Homosexuality based on their own personal opinion. Not evidence.
All they come up with is "It is not natural"
I've asked this question, Define natural. No answers yet.
I'm asking it again, define natural.

Natural means "not made or caused by humankind"

The question is is homosexuality made or caused by human kind?

Probably, Yes

CatfishBilly:
All I see here are people arguing against Homosexuality based on their own personal opinion. Not evidence.
All they come up with is "It is not natural"
I've asked this question, Define natural. No answers yet.
I'm asking it again, define natural.

Anything caused by nature and not human made.

bennyann:

She gave you a controlled environment of 3 divisions.
1. Males only
2. Females only
3. Males and females

Where then do you think the bisexuals will want to fall into?

exactly my point do bisexuals have 2 organs?
won't they identify as male/female?

does that make bisexuality "natural"?

Akiintom:


Within the domain of scientific determinants of homosexuality, the homosexuals are not different from heterosexuals. Only in their sexual orientation are they different.

It's may also interest you to know, that amongst the heterosexuals, because of hormonal dynamics, some are meagerly attracted to the opposite sex erotically.

I know a man, who is only drawn to his wife, ONLY when they wanted to have baby. After which, he's off.

They also forget that there are people who are asexual.
No sexual​ urge whatsoever and they were born like that.
Is that one also not natural and a sin according to the Bible?

CatfishBilly:

The "animals do it" example is to debunk the "It's not natural" opinion. Simple.
If it's not natural, then animals shouldn't be doing it.

Animals have sex with their mothers. That's natural too.

onyenze123:


Natural means "not made or caused by humankind"

The question is is homosexuality made or caused by human kind?

Probably, Yes

So, homosexual behavior in animals was also caused by humankind?

ilynem:

Anything caused by nature and not human made.

So, is homosexual behavior across every class of animals human made?

analice107:

Dockie am good. Am so proud of you sacrificing to help us even when some of us are better off dead.
Welcome. pls rest, we have time to do this later.

Just that, these guys are talking about science proving that homosexuality is natural so nothing is wrong with it. Well, am not a scientist, so i lean on Doctors and you are a good one.

When you are done resting, pls educate me.

Well science has neither proven homosexuality to be natural nor has it been proven to be unnatural. However behavioral analysts have come to see that environment and exposure plays a major role.

If you leave a kid (male or female) in the midst of People with msm or gay tendencies then it's likely that "by choice" under constant assurances of it being an "okay" kind of life these kids could become gay, bisexual or lesbian "by choice".

It's like smoking or alcoholism. Nobody is born an alcoholic or a smoker. It is learned by choice and such choices are gotten via assurance based exposure.

Freud himself had alluded to homosexuality numerous times in his writings, and had concluded that paranoia and homosexuality were inseparable.

Other psychiatrists wrote copiously on the subject, and homosexuality was “treated” on a wide basis. There was little or no suggestion within the psychiatric community that homosexuality might be conceptualized as anything other than a mental illness that needed to be treated. And, of course, homosexuality was listed as a mental illness in DSM-II. (The DSM is the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual which is the APA’s standard classification of their so-called mental disorders, and is used by many mental health workers in the USA and other countries.)

Then in 1970 gay activists protested against the APA convention in San Francisco. These scenes were repeated in 1971, and as people came out of the “closet” and felt empowered politically and socially, the APA directorate became increasingly uncomfortable with their stance. In 1973 the APA’s nomenclature task force recommended that homosexuality be declared normal.

What’s noteworthy about this is that the removal of homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses was not triggered by some scientific breakthrough. There was no new fact or set of facts that stimulated this major change. Rather, it was the simple reality that gay people started to kick up a fuss. They gained a voice and began to make themselves heard.

You can say that geese are swans but in reality they’re still geese. APA chose to fold under pressure from the gay community and voted that there is no mental illness attached to homosexuality and that was without any scientific evidence backing this up but simply to save themselves from exposing their errors in social taxonomy.

Till today a lot of gay, lesbians, homosexual, bisexual etc people have "by choice" stopped being such. Why? It's because they also "by choice" submitted to mental manipulation and perverting that which was right. That to me is mental illness because even they came to realise that it was a wrong depraved choice and chose otherwise.

Same confused set of scientists now brought another known as paraphilia which is a depravity closely linked with homosexuality and often time crossing each other and they say this is a mental illness and went ahead to term them "personality disorders and certain other nonpsychotic mental disorders" yet will not specify which is which simply because they wish to sit on the fence and try not to offend the gay community.

CatfishBilly:

So, is homosexual behavior across every class of animals human made?

Are you going to keep comparing us to animals?

ilynem:

Animals have sex with their mothers. That's natural too.

I've already explained this and why it shouldn't be.
Killing is also natural, but I've explained why it's wrong.
You still haven't dropped an irrefutable reason why Homosexuality is wrong, everything​ that you've brought has been shut down.

ilynem:

Are you going to keep comparing us to animals?

I'm tackling the "natural" argument, that's all.

bennyann:


Yes now. Almost every topic on homosexuality carries something like, then why do animals act like that if it isn't natural. Even animals are homosexuals.....

The comparisons are just too much. We're talking about humans for crying out loud. So I drew my conclusion from the comparisons.

Hey sister bennyann,

You see, when science says something is natural, in this case, homosexuality. It means that research works in biology, psychology and behavioral neuroscience correlate, as far as their independent conclusions are concerned.

Science is not dogmatic or studied by obscurantists. The very reason homosexuality was unlisted as mental condition.

What you Christians are thinking and writing here, in relation to the topic of homosexuality, results from emotional orgies, that's activated by orgasmic intercourse with Yahweh.

CatfishBilly:

I'm tackling the "natural" argument, that's all.

Do you agree that there are some things that are natural to animals but unnatural to us?

Akiintom:


Hey sister bennyann,

You see, when science says something is natural, in this case, homosexuality. It means that research works in biology, psychology and behavioral neuroscience correlate, as far as their independent conclusions are concerned.

Science is not dogmatic or studied by obscurantists. The very reason homosexuality was unlisted as mental condition.

What you Christians are thinking and writing here, in relation to the topic of homosexuality, results from emotional orgies, that's activated by orgasmic intercourse with Yahweh.

Science never said homosexuality is natural. A vote did in 1973.

CatfishBilly:

I've already explained this and why it shouldn't be.
Killing is also natural, but I've explained why it's wrong.
You still haven't dropped an irrefutable reason why Homosexuality is wrong, everything​ that you've brought has been shut down.

You told me a mother having sex with her son is wrong because she's taking advantage of her position of authority and that's supposed to be an argument? Really?

I forsee another popcorn time coming

Pastafarian:
I forsee another popcorn time coming

Let's not hope it gets to that

Pastafarian:

like I already said on the front-page of this thread, the two reasons people are against gay marriage is because a book who's authenticity is up for debate said so or personal repulsion at the idea

You debate the book because you have personal disgust for God, so you see everything the book says as bias, when you your stance is also bias.

You are biased because the book is against it. If the Bible is not against it, you'll see it as wrong.

So, if am biased, that makes the two of us.

Even when i keep saying homosexuality runs against nature, you refuse to see that, you focus on the Bible.

If the world is all homosexuals, how do we continue?