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| Re: Nigeria-delta Crisis On Cnn by debosky(m): 9:22pm On Feb 09, 2007 |
aka Odi/Zaki Biam, Version 2007. |
| Re: Nigeria-delta Crisis On Cnn by Seun(m): 9:25pm On Feb 09, 2007 |
None of the actions of these militants constitute an excuse for the FG to engage in future violence against civilians. |
| Re: Nigeria-delta Crisis On Cnn by McKren(m): 9:34pm On Feb 09, 2007 |
Seun: Every now and then naval officers are killed, a police station was burnt down and these militants were on the floor shooting rocket propelled granade against a helicopter. If those are not acts of war against the Nigerian State tell me how you define war and civillians. |
| Re: Nigeria-delta Crisis On Cnn by Seun(m): 9:44pm On Feb 09, 2007 |
The militants who did all these things are not civilians. They are common criminals. The poor men and women who have the misfortune of living in the same area are not to blame. Only a bloodthirsty military person would want to punish unarmed civilians for the misdeeds of armed criminals. The government of Lagos State does not kill unarmed Lagosians for the actions of armed robbers. These militants are ordinary criminals. They are causing lots of mayhem simply because they are armed. The government is made to help the people; to neutralize criminals so that civilians can enjoy peace. A government that attacks law-abiding citizens because naval officers were killed has forgotten its mandate! This is obvious, and needs not be debated. Punish the kidnappers, but leave civilians alone. Thank you. |
| Re: Nigeria-delta Crisis On Cnn by debosky(m): 10:03pm On Feb 09, 2007 |
Story Oga Seun If the militants live with civillians who offer them shelter and protection, then they are just as guilty and deserve to suffer right along with the militants as far as i've heard, none of these 'militants' are military people, so by definition they are also civillians, so maybe you meant 'innocent' civillians  |
| Re: Nigeria-delta Crisis On Cnn by Mamajama(m): 10:07pm On Feb 09, 2007 |
I still don't perceive this militants as criminals. People all they are asking is reasonable demands. They are not going around cutting off peoples head for Christ sake. Even some of the hostages state they were been treated fairly. Why can't the Federal government go into dialog with this people? you can send battalion of solders to kill all this people but it will not solve the problem. This people are well equipped and ready for action. Like I've said the next thing they should be doing is kidnapping all their senators and governors to account for all the allocation that has been sent to the state. |
| Re: Nigeria-delta Crisis On Cnn by debosky(m): 10:10pm On Feb 09, 2007 |
they've killed soldiers who were sent there to defend facilities so they are criminals he who kills deserved to be killed |
| Re: Nigeria-delta Crisis On Cnn by Seun(m): 10:13pm On Feb 09, 2007 |
All Niger Deltans are not criminals - only the ones carrying guns, kidnapping, and killing soldiers. That's my point. If the militants live with civillians who offer them shelter and protectionIf an armed man comes to your house in the middle of the night asking for shelter, will you not offer it to him? Does that make you a criminal? If so, then that means every victim of armed robbery is a criminal! Beyond that, it is not every civilian in the Niger Delta that has been forced to harbour criminals, so killing them is pure murder. |
| Re: Nigeria-delta Crisis On Cnn by debosky(m): 10:18pm On Feb 09, 2007 |
many people of the ND aren't living under fear of the militants, they are being actively supported and sheltered; afterall they must spend the ransome money with some people just like the hezbollah/lebanse case. they are in cahoots together for the most part. |
| Re: Nigeria-delta Crisis On Cnn by Mamajama(m): 10:20pm On Feb 09, 2007 |
Seun Not if your door is LOCKED and if you have your own gun ready to tell him to vamoose. Nice point. but this people are only defending themselves in my opinion. It's not like they go out looking for police and soldier on a daily basis. This people have been complaining for a long time. I am glad they are getting the attention of the world now. How can they generate such a wealth for the nation and have nothing to show for it? MR President have 5 S600 in his Entourage, is that necessary? Governors have over 12 cars each in their entourage? is that necessary? Please FEDERAL Government provide basic amenities and facilities for this people. |
| Re: Nigeria-delta Crisis On Cnn by Seun(m): 10:28pm On Feb 09, 2007 |
My position is that the people of the Niger Delta are not responsible for the oil windfall. Afterall, they did not plant the oil in the ground, and they are not the ones using technology to extract it. However, if the extraction of oil has caused pollution in their environment, then they deserve compensation. People like Ken Saro Wiwa, unlike these kidnappers, were worthy ambassadors of the Niger Delta people. They campaigned for the desires of their people without stopping so low as to become common criminals. These militants are just capitalizing on the gullibility of the educated masses to obtain money and fame. And their kidnapping is making things worse by scaring away the very private investors who bring development. There is very little the government can do to develop that region if people like you and me are afraid to go there. |
| Re: Nigeria-delta Crisis On Cnn by Mamajama(m): 10:31pm On Feb 09, 2007 |
GO there KE. No way you can't pay me to go there. Well I see your point. there was a story that SHELL OIL was to pay $255 Million in punitive damage for the pollution. I wonder what happened to that case. |
| Re: Nigeria-delta Crisis On Cnn by debosky(m): 10:46pm On Feb 09, 2007 |
actually there was a big case of $1.5B awarded to the Ijaw people by the national assembly, shellis of course fighting it in court Now I agree with you Seun, let true champions of the people come out, not these charlatans who are just another part of the exploitation system |
| Re: Nigeria-delta Crisis On Cnn by McKren(m): 10:55pm On Feb 09, 2007 |
Seun has brought another dimension to all of this, was anyone even proposing that Niger-Deltans should be massacred  /// We are saying there is need for military action against militants not civilians. |
| Re: Nigeria-delta Crisis On Cnn by Seun(m): 11:33pm On Feb 09, 2007 |
The militants are currently overplaying their hand. They are bound to go too far sooner or later, the pretext the military have been waiting for. When it finally happens it won't be a contest. It will be called genocide. |
| Re: Nigeria-delta Crisis On Cnn by debosky(m): 12:38am On Feb 10, 2007 |
it is always unfortunate whenever civillian lives are lost, but since I am certain these militants who are chest-beating all over the place now will not be amenable to a clean fight (they specialise in guerrilla tactics), there is inevitably going to be civillian casualties, as there are in any major conflict. not that i support it, but it will be inevitable if this is settled militarily.  |
| Re: Nigeria-delta Crisis On Cnn by McKren(m): 12:45am On Feb 10, 2007 |
@Seun The militants are currently overplaying their hand. They are bound to go too far sooner or later, the pretext the military have been waiting for. When it finally happens it won't be a contest. It will be called genocide. I think that writer was only pointing out that the militants, who at the moment are feeling powerful, when overpwered will resort to propanganda because they can not sustain a full scale war against the Nigerian Army. They will now begin to claim the militants killed are un-armed young men going about their bussiness. That comment to me does not advocate attack on civilian population. |
| Re: Nigeria-delta Crisis On Cnn by Seun(m): 12:59am On Feb 10, 2007 |
I don't particularly care about what you think it advocates. Stop attacking me and let's face the topic. I do not want civilians harmed, and I have been able to point out why they musn't be. Thanks and bye. |
| Re: Nigeria-delta Crisis On Cnn by debosky(m): 1:10am On Feb 10, 2007 |
Civillians being killed is inevitable, these so called militants have no scruples, they will use civillian shields if they need to, that is why the whole thing is so sad. hopefully it is resolved politically so no more bloodshed occurs, but i severely doubt that. |
| Re: Nigeria-delta Crisis On Cnn by liteman(m): 1:32am On Feb 10, 2007 |
So how long will this madness go on. What really get me sad about it all is that our government is not responsible to the safety of its people at all. this issue has been there long before Obasanjo came into power and it seem he is living it worse than he met it. Now the meeting held in Abuja on Thursday involved all stakeholders but obviously excluding the militants in the region. Why should our government keep on avoiding dialog? At lest for starters. |
| Re: Nigeria-delta Crisis On Cnn by debosky(m): 1:35am On Feb 10, 2007 |
the 'elders' and 'traditional rulers' whom the militants should 'respect' are at the meeting. Obj had meetings with Dokubo, nothing ever came out of it, I hrd he got 300million (from nl members) thats all |
| Re: Nigeria-delta Crisis On Cnn by boliatepa: 2:54am On Feb 10, 2007 |
If you haven't watched it, please go to http://citizensfornigeria.com/index.php The entire video is there. You can also go through http://againstbabangida.com/ Why do we like to blame everybody for our problems. This is a 40-year-old issue that is just now international because of the information age. Haven't you guys ready about Adaka Boro, his rebelion and death? What about Saro-Wiwa? It's the same old struggle. If you don't understand the issues, just ask. This is a just cause. Instead of alleging destabilization plot by the CNN, just do your research or shut up. The Delta people are fighting for what is right. I am Yoruba, but I stand for justice everywhere. There is gross injustice in the Delta and we all ought to support those folks. They have a cause to fight. |
| Re: Nigeria-delta Crisis On Cnn by lewa(m): 5:52am On Feb 10, 2007 |
It's foreigners now-when the rogue politicians start getting killed then we shall say had we known. All of them are still paying for protection-when that runs out, i sorry o!Problem de N/D and OBJ and his Navy can't do jack!Hope it's nipped in the bud before major kasala(surutu)ie trouble bursts open! |
| Re: Nigeria-delta Crisis On Cnn by McKren(m): 9:36am On Feb 10, 2007 |
@Boli Is the FG owing the Niger-Delta people any allocations Odili used Rivers allocation to set up Air line bussiness and you are suggesting that the whole Nigeria should implode because Niger-Delta leaders are depriving Niger-Delta people of basic amenities.They should direct their course to the immediate government and trust me every other part of Nigeria will follow suit. They should leave foreigners alone. The idea behind foreigners is about the ransome involved. PERIOD!!!!!!!1 |
| Re: Nigeria-delta Crisis On Cnn by LePhilippe(m): 5:15pm On Feb 10, 2007 |
Well I have mixed reactions after that report. The Militants wanted to shatter nigeria into pieces! I dont agree with that but I think this should have been expected after huge neglect of the area. Please people, these people are suffering and none of the fat cats in Abuja give a rats ass about their well being. I fully support MEND and I know that they will be involved in Bloodshed in the April/May time. |
| Re: Nigeria-delta Crisis On Cnn by ono(m): 9:08am On Feb 12, 2007 |
McKren: McKren, Listen up man, all that Odili, Alams, and other Niger Delta governors stole?? in their respective states is so small, it's negligibile compared to the Zillions stolen and is still being pilfered by the likes of OBJ, Danjuma, IBB, Tafa, Atiku etc etc. I know that a thief is a thief. But would you blame the governors of the area when they were handpicked by OBJ himself to inflict sorrows and woes on our people? Do you think these governors will behave the way they are doing if they were voted in by our people to bring about meaningful development? Besides all these, what manner of man will you be called if you allow people from other places to carve up your lands in the name of oil blocks and sold to the highest bidders. That's the problem. The fact that we cannot by our own will do what we want with our God given resources. That's excatly what myself, Owo and well meaning Niger Delta people have said and still talking about on this forum. Before now, in the 60's, resources were shared in a favourable ratio where the producer/owner gets a large chunk of what's obtained from his lands, so that he can use such funds to develop himself and future generations. The rest is given to other constituents of the country so that the blessings on the lands will go round. But we now have a situation where we cannot even say anything about what's under our lands. Rather, we have cursed people sitting way up in an arid land (before now, Abuja was a dry savannah with nothing short of grazing lands in view) dictating to us how much should come to our purse of the proceeds from our lands. And when we complain, they send in troops (composed maily of the Hausa/Fulani and Yoruba stock) to come and silence us. Punishment and curses awaits all of them and their future generations. Now, you guys wants us to keep quiet in the face of oppression, utter neglect and improvishment. Well, we won't. And we will continue to support all those who helps to project that sorry state we're in under a wicked arrangement (Nigeria) as the CNN have done. |
| Re: Nigeria-delta Crisis On Cnn by nikynike(f): 10:23am On Feb 12, 2007 |
Very sorry for u because u've not been their victim.Meanwhile they dont want to know your state or community during their attack any body can be their victim.That is why this nonsense should stop. They should settle their problems amicably or in pieces but not involving foreiners. |
| Re: Nigeria-delta Crisis On Cnn by lefac(m): 5:36pm On Feb 12, 2007 |
The problem in ND cannot be solved by using military action, what that will bring in is more fighting and another Dokubo. I am from the region and I have witnessed first hand the attack by these boys. Innocent people looking for how to make ends meet have been killed. FOR WHAT? I was in PH last December and behold these sold called fighters are cruising with last models of cars, running around town as if they own it. The point I am making is that these boys are not going abt it the right way. under no circumstance must a government surrender to tyranny. The governor of Rivers State son-in-law is a friend, he was living in a 2 bedroom aprt but now is untouchable in Rivers, living off the resources that is supposed to go round. OBJ should be sincere enough to deal 1st with the governors/state assembly/LGA chairmen before things can be rite. Dokubo was armed by Odili so that he could control the riverine region. see what has turned out now. Odili should be tired to the stake and shot cos he is the major problem of Rivers state, he has looted the state to a state of confusion and since OBJ is messing him up, u guys watch out what will happen in Rivers b4 May 29. He has strategically moved his family out of the country on the pretext of studying abroad. May God help Nigeria |
| Re: Nigeria-delta Crisis On Cnn by eyeruroma(m): 8:26pm On Feb 12, 2007 |
McKren:Mckren, can the militants be attacked in isolation? Its a fact that the millitants has lost focus and bad eggs have joined the then which make the act of the millitant to be seen as madness. Well, we can all criticize the millitant simply because we decided not to show concern on the plight of ND people. For how long shall we dialog on the suffering, the neglet, the pains. hunger and lack of basic amenities that has reduced the ND people to people a little bit higher than animals. Somebody to tell me how many years must we dialog? 50yrs? 100yrs? How long must we dialog on issue that has affected the destiny, living and health of the inhabitants and we kept saying we should dialog. Shagari, Babangida, Abacha all these past leaders never completed the dialog. OBJ came to power for about 8yrs he could not conclude the dialog. Who do you think will remember ND people? No leader is interested in the case of ND. Let me tell you guys if you can't help to solve our problem, leave ND people alone for us to fight our cause. We believe dialog has not been able to do anything for years and withing a short time when the millitants step into the show everybody in beginning to be interested in the case. Millitant actions must continue until the international comunities shall come to our aid. It will continue until Nigeria will remember ND and make the region beautiful place like Abuja. Niger Delta will survive this challenge and we shall come out stronger. However, the millitants should flush out the bad eggs in their midst. |
| Re: Nigeria-delta Crisis On Cnn by LePhilippe(m): 10:48pm On Feb 12, 2007 |
We are heading for a meltdown!!! |
| Re: Nigeria-delta Crisis On Cnn by Echidime(m): 10:09am On Feb 13, 2007 |
What Igbo's saw and fight the Nigerian Biafran Civil war that lasted for 3 solid good years, is what you people are seeing just today? Rememver Ojukwu went to greet ken saro wiwa in prison,they right there ken saro wiwa apologies to him for not supporting ojukwu during that Bianfran war and now the whole zone is suffering. and what happens after that, he ken saro wiwa lost his life. When you guys talk of OIL producing states, remember that ABIA STATE,IMO STATE,and Anambra STATE all have oil a very big one for that matter and yet The federal Government SEALED this places for fear that this people will come again to fight another Biafran war,take it or leave it Nigeria is not one country and will surely divide. Republic of BIAFRA Must exist,do you think it is the people of the Niger delta that are causing this crisis? South East OR South South are all BIAFRA |
| Re: Nigeria-delta Crisis On Cnn by Mariory(m): 10:52am On Feb 13, 2007 |
Echidime: Clueless. Totally clueless. |
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