@Toba: I quoted verse 4 of Surah Mujaddila, because from the Quran style I used, the Bismallah is listed as the first verse. Below are verses 1 through 10 of the very Surah. I will ask the larger audience, what is your beef here when the story is essentially about a woman who is complaining about her husband?


بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

58:1 Certainly has Allah heard the speech of the one who argues with you, [O Muhammad], concerning her husband and directs her complaint to Allah . And Allah hears your dialogue; indeed, Allah is Hearing and Seeing.

58:2 Those who pronounce thihar among you [to separate] from their wives - they are not [consequently] their mothers. Their mothers are none but those who gave birth to them. And indeed, they are saying an objectionable statement and a falsehood. But indeed, Allah is Pardoning and Forgiving.

58:3 And those who pronounce thihar from their wives and then [wish to] go back on what they said - then [there must be] the freeing of a slave before they touch one another. That is what you are admonished thereby; and Allah is Acquainted with what you do.

58:4 And he who does not find [a slave] - then a fast for two months consecutively before they touch one another; and he who is unable - then the feeding of sixty poor persons. That is for you to believe [completely] in Allah and His Messenger; and those are the limits [set by] Allah . And for the disbelievers is a painful punishment.

58:5 Indeed, those who oppose Allah and His Messenger are abased as those before them were abased. And We have certainly sent down verses of clear evidence. And for the disbelievers is a humiliating punishment.

58:6 On the Day when Allah will resurrect them all and inform them of what they did. Allah had enumerated it, while they forgot it; and Allah is, over all things, Witness.


58:7 Have you not considered that Allah knows what is in the heavens and what is on the earth? There is in no private conversation three but that He is the fourth of them, nor are there five but that He is the sixth of them - and no less than that and no more except that He is with them [in knowledge] wherever they are. Then He will inform them of what they did, on the Day of Resurrection. Indeed Allah is, of all things, Knowing.

58:8 Have you not considered those who were forbidden from private conversation, then they return to that which they were forbidden and converse among themselves about sin and aggression and disobedience to the Messenger? And when they come to you, they greet you with that [word] by which Allah does not greet you and say among themselves, "Why does Allah not punish us for what we say?" Sufficient for them is Hell, which they will [enter to] burn, and wretched is the destination.

58:9 O you who have believed, when you converse privately, do not converse about sin and aggression and disobedience to the Messenger but converse about righteousness and piety. And fear Allah , to whom you will be gathered.

58:10 Private conversation is only from Satan that he may grieve those who have believed, but he will not harm them at all except by permission of Allah . And upon Allah let the believers rely.



Toba. Now whats our argument in all ot the above? That the verse 5 is talking about you and the others like you? if you say so, then it is you. But it seems that this verse is talking about hypocrites in the rank of the muslims. Of course, you are almost as bad as a hypocrite. You are an outright Kufar.

nopuqeater:

@Toba: I quoted verse 4 of Surah Mujaddila, because from the Quran style I used, the Bismallah is listed as the first verse. Below are verses 1 through 10 of the very Surah. I will ask the larger audience, what is your beef here when the story is essentially about a woman who is complaining about her husband?


بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

58:1 Certainly has Allah heard the speech of the one who argues with you, [O Muhammad], concerning her husband and directs her complaint to Allah . And Allah hears your dialogue; indeed, Allah is Hearing and Seeing.

58:2 Those who pronounce thihar among you [to separate] from their wives - they are not [consequently] their mothers. Their mothers are none but those who gave birth to them. And indeed, they are saying an objectionable statement and a falsehood. But indeed, Allah is Pardoning and Forgiving.

58:3 And those who pronounce thihar from their wives and then [wish to] go back on what they said - then [there must be] the freeing of a slave before they touch one another. That is what you are admonished thereby; and Allah is Acquainted with what you do.

58:4 And he who does not find [a slave] - then a fast for two months consecutively before they touch one another; and he who is unable - then the feeding of sixty poor persons. That is for you to believe [completely] in Allah and His Messenger; and those are the limits [set by] Allah . And for the disbelievers is a painful punishment.

58:5 Indeed, those who oppose Allah and His Messenger are abased as those before them were abased. And We have certainly sent down verses of clear evidence. And for the disbelievers is a humiliating punishment.

58:6 On the Day when Allah will resurrect them all and inform them of what they did. Allah had enumerated it, while they forgot it; and Allah is, over all things, Witness.


58:7 Have you not considered that Allah knows what is in the heavens and what is on the earth? There is in no private conversation three but that He is the fourth of them, nor are there five but that He is the sixth of them - and no less than that and no more except that He is with them [in knowledge] wherever they are. Then He will inform them of what they did, on the Day of Resurrection. Indeed Allah is, of all things, Knowing.

58:8 Have you not considered those who were forbidden from private conversation, then they return to that which they were forbidden and converse among themselves about sin and aggression and disobedience to the Messenger? And when they come to you, they greet you with that [word] by which Allah does not greet you and say among themselves, "Why does Allah not punish us for what we say?" Sufficient for them is Hell, which they will [enter to] burn, and wretched is the destination.

58:9 O you who have believed, when you converse privately, do not converse about sin and aggression and disobedience to the Messenger but converse about righteousness and piety. And fear Allah , to whom you will be gathered.

58:10 Private conversation is only from Satan that he may grieve those who have believed, but he will not harm them at all except by permission of Allah . And upon Allah let the believers rely.



Toba. Now whats our argument in all ot the above? That the verse 5 is talking about you and the others like you? if you say so, then it is you. But it seems that this verse is talking about hypocrites in the rank of the muslims. Of course, you are almost as bad as a hypocrite. You are an outright Kufar.

Bulls.hi.t as usual. Im dealing with verse 5. Pls interpret what it says thats all. mean while continuation of islam and terrorism

[size=25pt]Part 2 of some of my other atrocities
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2) Slaughter of Meccans who came to defend their caravans
Date: March (Ramadan) 17, 623 A.D
Place: The well of Badr
Victims: 70 merchants from Quraysh Tribe of Mecca, The Quraysh army which came to defend them

The merchandise being carried by this caravan was worth more than 50,000 Gold Dinars. Mohammed ganged up all the criminals of Medina and set out to raid the caravan with 300 men. The Meccans got word of the raid and sent out an army to protect the caravan. Throughout the entire battle Mohammad cowered in a hut which his men made for him. There he cried and prayed with feverish anxiety. At one point he came out of the hut and threw pebbles in the enemy's direction, screaming "Let evil look on your faces!" and "By him who holds my soul in his hands, anyone who fights for me today will go to paradise!" The Muslims killed over two hundred and took seventy prisoners. All seventy of the prisoners were ransomed, and any prisoner who did not fetch a ransom had his head chopped off.

Mohammed was gratified at the sight of his murdered victims. After the battle, he sent his followers to look for the corpse of Abu Jahal, one of the Meccans who had criticised him openly. When his corpse was found,they cut off the head and threw it down at Mohammed's feet. The "Apostle of peace" cried out in delirious joy, "Rejoice! Here lies the head of the enemy of Allah! Praise Allah, for there is no other but he!" The Prophet then ordered a great pit to be dug for the bodies of the innocents to be dumped. The Muslims then proceeded to hack the corpses limbs into pieces. As the bloodied mass of bodies was being thrown into the pit, a feverishly excited Mohammed shreiked, " O People of the Pit, have you found that what Allah threatened is true now? For I have found that what my Lord promised was true! Rejoice All Muslims!" One of the prisoners taken was the defiant Al Nadr Ibn al Harith, who had earlier taken Muhammad's challenge of telling better stories than him. Muhammad ordered Ali to strike off Nadr's head in his presence, so he could watch and exult in the pleasure of beheading the man who had insulted him. Another prisoner Uqba ibn Abi Muait was decapitated in front of the Prophet. Before being killed the prisoner cried out pitifully "O Prophet, who will look after my children if I should die?" The "Great Prophet of the Religion of Peace" coldly spat out "Hellfire", as the blade came down and spattered his clothes with Uqba's blood.

This time Mohammed needed a revelation that would not only absolve him of all the guilt for murdering so many innocent people, but also give him the "divine" right to get a huge share of the plundered booty. Quite a few revelations magically appeared after the battle of Badr.

Koran 8:65
"O Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you 20 steadfast,they will overcome 200 and if there be of you a 100, they shall overcome a 1000, because the disbelievers are a folk without intelligence"

This Sura clearly exposes Islam to be a religion that not only encourages violence but actually makes it a sacred duty for Muslims to kill anyone who does not believe in the Muslim version of religion. Not only is the "All forgiving Allah" exhorting his followers to kill anyone who is not Muslim, but he is also saying that all non-Muslims are so silly that they will be unable to defend themselves and therfore deserve death!

Koran 8:67-68
"It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure of this world and Allah desires for you the hereafter and Allah is Mighty, Wise,  Now enjoy what you have won as lawful and good and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving, merciful."

This verse is in reference to the prisoners that Mohammed held for ransom after the battle. Allah the "Merciful" is saying that they should all have been killed! In addition, Allah is conveniently commenting that whatever loot Mohammed has plundered is "lawful and good" because it was done in service to Allah. So murder, despoil, plunder and destruction are all perfectly fine with Allah as long as they are done in the name of Islam! Mohammed is also insidiously making himself seem very kind for having spared the lives of the prisoners, when in fact he only let them live so he could get more money from the Ransom for them. In today's world this is called "Terrorism" of the worst kind.

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source is from various books and websites available to me

@Toba; « #161 on: Today at 05:43:41 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: nopuqeater on Today at 03:07:19 AM
@Toba: I quoted verse 4 of Surah Mujaddila, because from the Quran style I used, the Bismallah is listed as the first verse. Below are verses 1 through 10 of the very Surah. I will ask the larger audience, what is your beef here when the story is essentially about a woman who is complaining about her husband?


بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

58:1 Certainly has Allah heard the speech of the one who argues with you, [O Muhammad], concerning her husband and directs her complaint to Allah . And Allah hears your dialogue; indeed, Allah is Hearing and Seeing.

58:2 Those who pronounce thihar among you [to separate] from their wives - they are not [consequently] their mothers. Their mothers are none but those who gave birth to them. And indeed, they are saying an objectionable statement and a falsehood. But indeed, Allah is Pardoning and Forgiving.

58:3 And those who pronounce thihar from their wives and then [wish to] go back on what they said - then [there must be] the freeing of a slave before they touch one another. That is what you are admonished thereby; and Allah is Acquainted with what you do.

58:4 And he who does not find [a slave] - then a fast for two months consecutively before they touch one another; and he who is unable - then the feeding of sixty poor persons. That is for you to believe [completely] in Allah and His Messenger; and those are the limits [set by] Allah . And for the disbelievers is a painful punishment.

58:5 Indeed, those who oppose Allah and His Messenger are abased as those before them were abased. And We have certainly sent down verses of clear evidence. And for the disbelievers is a humiliating punishment.

58:6 On the Day when Allah will resurrect them all and inform them of what they did. Allah had enumerated it, while they forgot it; and Allah is, over all things, Witness.


58:7 Have you not considered that Allah knows what is in the heavens and what is on the earth? There is in no private conversation three but that He is the fourth of them, nor are there five but that He is the sixth of them - and no less than that and no more except that He is with them [in knowledge] wherever they are. Then He will inform them of what they did, on the Day of Resurrection. Indeed Allah is, of all things, Knowing.

58:8 Have you not considered those who were forbidden from private conversation, then they return to that which they were forbidden and converse among themselves about sin and aggression and disobedience to the Messenger? And when they come to you, they greet you with that [word] by which Allah does not greet you and say among themselves, "Why does Allah not punish us for what we say?" Sufficient for them is Hell, which they will [enter to] burn, and wretched is the destination.

58:9 O you who have believed, when you converse privately, do not converse about sin and aggression and disobedience to the Messenger but converse about righteousness and piety. And fear Allah , to whom you will be gathered.

58:10 Private conversation is only from Satan that he may grieve those who have believed, but he will not harm them at all except by permission of Allah . And upon Allah let the believers rely.



Toba. Now whats our argument in all ot the above? That the verse 5 is talking about you and the others like you? if you say so, then it is you. But it seems that this verse is talking about hypocrites in the rank of the muslims. Of course, you are almost as bad as a hypocrite. You are an outright Kufar.

Bulls.hi.t as usual. [b]Im dealing with verse 5. Pls interpret what it says thats all. mean while continuation of islam and terrorism[/b][/Quote]Is there a need to interpret Verse 5 of Surah Mujadilla, above separately from what it says as a part of story of a wife who complained to the Messenger (AS) her husband, and the instruction to the community from its Lord, Allah, about how to deal handle such a situation, separately from how it used to be handled before in Arabia? Allah warns that from even among the Muslims there are who do not deal in just manner and their reward if they die on the platform of such evil.

In the community of the Muslims, we have true believers and lip service muslims. The lip service muslims are even worse than you who is an outright disbeliever. This lip service muslims may not be known to the prophet (AS) because it is not his ability to read hearts of mankind, except what his Lord revealed to him. However his Lord know who these people are.

The other day, a friend from Mauritania was saying to me that he divorced his wife 3 times in one single marriage. So I said, oh Adama with your education, if you marry a wife for the very first time, have you married her three times, already do that when you pronounce 3 divorces on her, she becomes unlawful to you? You see, some muslims will say in anger, to their wives "you are like the back of my mother". We all know that no one climb his mother's back as a husband will climb the back of his wife. So these people say things that are abominable and in the chapter that you are making yourself fit in, since you are a pure disbeliever and every where you see disbeliever in it, it must be talking about you, except that in the above it is addressing muslims, the hypocrites among the muslim community.

You know a muslim could become a disbeliever. Examples of those are those who convert out of Islam to say Christianity. Yet a disbeliever can become a believer, and the examples are those who revert into Islam. So Allah calling them disbelievers in the above is based on their hearts which only He knows.

In the history of Islam, during the leadership of mild mannered, truly meek Abu Bakr (RA), he considered the muslims who refused to pay Zakat disbelievers. This is a good example if the others above cant get the door of your reasoning open up. I dont know what to tell you. When the Quran speaks to you as a disbeliever, and the verses are many (sometimes you are called Alal Kitabu, or Nasara, among others still qualifying as a disbeliever and not a believer), in the Quran.

@Toba; « #162 on: Today at 05:56:08 PM »

[Quote] Part 2 of some of my other atrocities[/QUote]Is this similar to the Youtube's Christian missionary Atrocities?



[Quote]2) Slaughter of Meccans who came to defend their caravans
Date: March (Ramadan) 17, 623 A.D
Place: The well of Badr
Victims: 70 merchants from Quraysh Tribe of Mecca, The Quraysh army which came to defend them[/Quote]Were the caravan captured? This is the only way we can say they came to defend them. Or is there any other way? Lets read what Toba and his masters have to say about Gazhwtul Badr.




[Quote]The merchandise being carried by this caravan was worth more than 50,000 Gold Dinars. Mohammed ganged up all the criminals of Medina and set out to raid the caravan with 300 men.[/Quote]The gang of criminals according to the disbelievers were Abu Bakr, a super wealthy Makka before islam. Maintained that wealth and was able to pay for the freedom of his brother Bilah bin RAbah from the hand of the like mind of Toba, in their days. Toba is an enemy of Al Qahar, just like the idolaters of Makka in their days. One of the gang of criminals was Umar bin Khattab (whose nickname is Al Sheriff, a title that American law agency; The Sheriff department is happy to take. General Montgomery of England in Second world war is named after this illustrous muslimthat this nejess of a man named toba called Criminal). Another criminal was Uthman ibn Affan, who even the Makkan in their disbelieving ways were full of respect for.

Another is Ali bin AbiTalib, who his nobility is right in the family of Muhammad, as a first cousin, whose grandfather's bloodline was the caretaker of Ka'aba and the one who revived the Zam Zam well. There are many of them. Let me just stop here and consider the position of Moses, who eliminated the Amalekites, the Jebusites, the Hittaties, and others. What did these city states took from Bani Israil under Moses? We already know that the Makkans did not let the muslims leave Makka with their whole family and definitely their properties, so that they can begin life afresh, from a higher financial grade and not from the bottom of the barrels in Madina.

I know it does not mean anything to you if somebody forces you to leave your wife behind. heck, your fiancee you are ready to share with any man bold enough to go on top of her, since fiances are often the wife in the future. I see why you dont know why the Muslims will want their principle away from the Makkan who are now using it to make tons of money, by their unusually big and more frequent caravan trades.

There is a proverb in yoruba land that says "Ewo ni ti ara Ibadan ni waju ile sodeke" because of the on going animosity similar to what we are talking about between Makkan and Muslims of Madina, yet the Makkans have to journey a route so close to Madina. Is that intentionally provoking the Madinans, that we are using your properties left in Makka to make money for ourselves and we want you to see it and you wil not have ability to do anything about it.






[Quote]The Meccans got word of the raid and sent out an army to protect the caravan. Throughout the entire battle Mohammad cowered in a hut which his men made for him.[/Quote]America is in a war. George Bush prosecuted it for 7 plus years. Barack Obama is prosecuting it as we speak now. has anyone of them took a gun, flew a jet to attach a single "taliban or Alqaidah". What you claimed that Muhammad did, as above is what every Head of State does in time of war, being the Commander in Chief (US Title for the office of the President). Did Muhammad (AS) do more tan that? Yes. When Ali bin Abi Talib was asked who was the most courageaous in battle, he said it was the Messenger (AS). The messenger said that it does not befit a messenger of God to put on a breast plate/armor, ready for war except that he shows up in the battle field. His presence in the battlefield was borne out by him being wounded in Ghazhwatul Huud. I will leave the cowardice quality for anyone you wanna throw it on as a non combatant.




[Quote]There he cried and prayed with feverish anxiety[/Quote]Jesus went through the same exact thing. Begging "The Real God" to save him from an impending death. While the Dua of Muhammad (AS) was accepted, as you will see later, that of Jesus was rejected according to you. The rejection is a mark, if nothing else for not being God if not being a real prophet.




[Quote]At one point he came out of the hut and threw pebbles in the enemy's direction, screaming "Let evil look on your faces!" and "By him who holds my soul in his hands, anyone who fights for me today will go to paradise!" The Muslims killed over two hundred and took seventy prisoners. All seventy of the prisoners were ransomed, and any prisoner who did not fetch a ransom had his head chopped off.[/Quote]Before I addressed the bold, we see that the muslims won this battle, even less than 1/3 of the Kufar and completely ill equiped to do the job. Alla is Akbar. Now as to the bold; there is a verse in the Quran that address this issue, with a theme that clearly tells us that Muhammad (AS), the noble general no one of the captives was killed, instead of being ransomed, until after that verse, if any dies at all. But the ransome demanded was not in monies, but mostly in services of the type that heped even to educate the masses of muslims of Madina.




[Quote]Mohammed was gratified at the sight of his murdered victims. After the battle, he sent his followers to look for the corpse of Abu Jahal, one of the Meccans who had criticised him openly.[/Quote]They looked for the corpse of Abu jahl (Lanatullah), an family relation of the Messenger. The Messenger (AS) went with them and they found him when the messenger had marked as his spot when death will overtake him. It was exactly like that and the prophet was speaking to him; have you seen what your Lord has promised you (for all disbelievers in hellfire). Prophet will not the body of a death Kafir. Its not permissible to benefit such a corpse. So that uyou know, Toba, if I ever meet you and we are cordial with each other, if i die before you, say in my old age of 150 years, i will have an agreement that a disbeliever like you must not come close to my body so that you dont touch me.




[Quote]When his corpse was found,they cut off the head and threw it down at Mohammed's feet. The "Apostle of peace" cried out in delirious joy, "Rejoice! Here lies the head of the enemy of Allah! Praise Allah, for there is no other but he!" The Prophet then ordered a great pit to be dug for the bodies of the innocents to be dumped. The Muslims then proceeded to hack the corpses limbs into pieces. As the bloodied mass of bodies was being thrown into the pit, a feverishly excited Mohammed shreiked, " O People of the Pit, have you found that what Allah threatened is true now?[/Quote]The disbeliever in their lies will never prosper. You see how they turned "oh people of the pit" into the muslims burying the disbelievers in pit, rather than what it means "Oh people of hellfire (Pit)".





[Quote]For I have found that what my Lord promised was true! Rejoice All Muslims!" One of the prisoners taken was the defiant Al Nadr Ibn al Harith, who had earlier taken Muhammad's challenge of telling better stories than him. Muhammad ordered Ali to strike off Nadr's head in his presence, so he could watch and exult in the pleasure of beheading the man who had insulted him. Another prisoner Uqba ibn Abi Muait was decapitated in front of the Prophet. Before being killed the prisoner cried out pitifully "O Prophet, who will look after my children if I should die?"[/Quote]Why would you ask a person who is going to kill you to be the guardian of your children, except that you know he was a just and merciful soul and your dying in his hand is extremely deserving? I know your anger against islam will not let you see that.





[Quote]The "Great Prophet of the Religion of Peace" coldly spat out "Hellfire", as the blade came down and spattered his clothes with Uqba's blood.[/Quote]Did Jesus do less? A reminder here; the thief on the left side at calvary was only "wrong" in not identifying jesus. That called the anger and non forgiving nature of the meek and the so merciful human god. Well this is different from a man who left makka to fight the young madinan, thinking that they will be a push over like the way they used to be in Makka.



[Quote]This time Mohammed needed a revelation that would not only absolve him of all the guilt for murdering so many innocent people, but also give him the "divine" right to get a huge share of the plundered booty. Quite a few revelations magically appeared after the battle of Badr.

Koran 8:65
"O Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you 20 steadfast,they will overcome 200 and if there be of you a 100, they shall overcome a 1000, because the disbelievers are a folk without intelligence"[/Quote]The courage instilled in them in that Surah is of 10 folds.





[Quote]This Sura clearly exposes Islam to be a religion that not only encourages violence but actually makes it a sacred duty for Muslims to kill anyone who does not believe in the Muslim version of religion. Not only is the "All forgiving Allah" exhorting his followers to kill anyone who is not Muslim, but he is also saying that all non-Muslims are so silly that they will be unable to defend themselves and therfore deserve death![/Quote]Lets talk about the jews, from which your human god is a party. They killed from Cairo to Cannan. and david;s party was exactly 1/3 of Goliat's party. The same result as in Badr of Muslim that was much, much later. Do we criticize the jews here? No. They are God's chosen and the muslims are not! Do have a covenant with Eloi, already?





[Quote]Koran 8:67-68
"It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure of this world and Allah desires for you the hereafter and Allah is Mighty, Wise, Now enjoy what you have won as lawful and good and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving, merciful."[/Quote]This very bold part refuted your saying that they killed all the captives, above. You cant have it both ways. Allah gives directive and His Directive must be the One to Obey, Follow.





[Quote]This verse is in reference to the prisoners that Mohammed held for ransom after the battle. Allah the "Merciful" is saying that they should all have been killed! In addition, Allah is conveniently commenting that whatever loot Mohammed has plundered is "lawful and good" because it was done in service to Allah. So murder, despoil, plunder and destruction are all perfectly fine with Allah as long as they are done in the name of Islam! Mohammed is also insidiously making himself seem very kind for having spared the lives of the prisoners, when in fact he only let them live so he could get more money from the Ransom for them. In today's world this is called "Terrorism" of the worst kind.[/Quote]If the on one side keeping some so that he can get more money, the question is this; did he get it?


Which of the Makkan came to Madina, the enclave of their sworn enemy who they are now at war with? Ode nie Toba. In today's situation, since you bring it to it, will the Iraqi elites who were on the side of Saddam Hussaine walking in to Washington DC to pay ransome for the senior officers kept in Abu Gharib Prison? Will America not snatch him, too? You bet ya. Therefore if enemies can walk into Madina and pay for the released of their loved ones, then in today's kindness, it is more than my beloved America will do for Taliban, Alqaida, the Iraqi who may be revere Saddam or an Iranian or Hisballah or Palestinian "terror" organization member. Yet America is head and should above Britain in kindness. But in all that grandeur is pale to what you have described for Muhammad (AS) and the Muslims, even back then.

You fail to touch the part that the prophet was in tears along with Abu Bakr when the above revelation came down to warn of "future" captives, because what is past is past.

Toba, let me ask you; In seriousness, do you think if the Messenger has done things to be ashamed of, if he was alone, will he say it, and if he was in the mist of the muslims, will they say it to the disbelievers? The things you accused him of, if he did it, it was part of strategy of war because it came directly from Allah. If he did not do them, then you have lied along with those who told you the lies.

This is the reason that I sometimes question the Biblical verses that cheapen Jesus, throwing out the rank of prophets; like the satan sending him all over the wilderness to preach to who, is still a mystery, and the temptations. In this case one will be forced to ask; where was the Sender of servant Jesus while all these are happening to him? All is always in control while your gods are not, and one was even tormented.





[Quote]source is from various books and websites available to me[/Quote]Even if they are false, you will use them for sure.

I must admit I am a bit ignorant about Islam, and even though some of my coolest friends are moslems and they are the best, I have never quite understood the hatred behind 9/11, and the west in general. It makes for a lot of antagonism!

I could do with some sort of reason/

nopuqeater:

@Toba; « #162 on: Today at 05:56:08 PM »
Is this similar to the Youtube's Christian missionary Atrocities?


Were the caravan captured? This is the only way we can say they came to defend them. Or is there any other way? Lets read what Toba and his masters have to say about Gazhwtul Badr.



The gang of criminals according to the disbelievers were Abu Bakr, a super wealthy Makka before islam. Maintained that wealth and was able to pay for the freedom of his brother Bilah bin RAbah from the hand of the like mind of Toba, in their days. Toba is an enemy of Al Qahar, just like the idolaters of Makka in their days. One of the gang of criminals was Umar bin Khattab (whose nickname is Al Sheriff, a title that American law agency; The Sheriff department is happy to take. General Montgomery of England in Second world war is named after this illustrous muslimthat this nejess of a man named toba called Criminal). Another criminal was Uthman ibn Affan, who even the Makkan in their disbelieving ways were full of respect for.

Another is Ali bin AbiTalib, who his nobility is right in the family of Muhammad, as a first cousin, whose grandfather's bloodline was the caretaker of Ka'aba and the one who revived the Zam Zam well. There are many of them. Let me just stop here and consider the position of Moses, who eliminated the Amalekites, the Jebusites, the Hittaties, and others. What did these city states took from Bani Israil under Moses? We already know that the Makkans did not let the muslims leave Makka with their whole family and definitely their properties, so that they can begin life afresh, from a higher financial grade and not from the bottom of the barrels in Madina.

I know it does not mean anything to you if somebody forces you to leave your wife behind. heck, your fiancee you are ready to share with any man bold enough to go on top of her, since fiances are often the wife in the future. I see why you dont know why the Muslims will want their principle away from the Makkan who are now using it to make tons of money, by their unusually big and more frequent caravan trades.

There is a proverb in yoruba land that says "Ewo ni ti ara Ibadan ni waju ile sodeke" because of the on going animosity similar to what we are talking about between Makkan and Muslims of Madina, yet the Makkans have to journey a route so close to Madina. Is that intentionally provoking the Madinans, that we are using your properties left in Makka to make money for ourselves and we want you to see it and you wil not have ability to do anything about it.





America is in a war. George Bush prosecuted it for 7 plus years. Barack Obama is prosecuting it as we speak now. has anyone of them took a gun, flew a jet to attach a single "taliban or Alqaidah". What you claimed that Muhammad did, as above is what every Head of State does in time of war, being the Commander in Chief (US Title for the office of the President). Did Muhammad (AS) do more tan that? Yes. When Ali bin Abi Talib was asked who was the most courageaous in battle, he said it was the Messenger (AS). The messenger said that it does not befit a messenger of God to put on a bosom plate/armor, ready for war except that he shows up in the battle field. His presence in the battlefield was borne out by him being wounded in Ghazhwatul Huud. I will leave the cowardice quality for anyone you wanna throw it on as a non combatant.



Jesus went through the same exact thing. Begging "The Real God" to save him from an impending death. While the Dua of Muhammad (AS) was accepted, as you will see later, that of Jesus was rejected according to you. The rejection is a mark, if nothing else for not being God if not being a real prophet.



Before I addressed the bold, we see that the muslims won this battle, even less than 1/3 of the Kufar and completely ill equiped to do the job. Alla is Akbar. Now as to the bold; there is a verse in the Quran that address this issue, with a theme that clearly tells us that Muhammad (AS), the noble general no one of the captives was killed, instead of being ransomed, until after that verse, if any dies at all. But the ransome demanded was not in monies, but mostly in services of the type that heped even to educate the masses of muslims of Madina.



They looked for the corpse of Abu jahl (Lanatullah), an family relation of the Messenger. The Messenger (AS) went with them and they found him when the messenger had marked as his spot when death will overtake him. It was exactly like that and the prophet was speaking to him; have you seen what your Lord has promised you (for all disbelievers in hellfire). Prophet will not the body of a death Kafir. Its not permissible to benefit such a corpse. So that uyou know, Toba, if I ever meet you and we are cordial with each other, if i die before you, say in my old age of 150 years, i will have an agreement that a disbeliever like you must not come close to my body so that you dont touch me.



The disbeliever in their lies will never prosper. You see how they turned "oh people of the pit" into the muslims burying the disbelievers in pit, rather than what it means "Oh people of hellfire (Pit)".




Why would you ask a person who is going to kill you to be the guardian of your children, except that you know he was a just and merciful soul and your dying in his hand is extremely deserving? I know your anger against islam will not let you see that.




Did Jesus do less? A reminder here; the thief on the left side at calvary was only "wrong" in not identifying jesus. That called the anger and non forgiving nature of the meek and the so merciful human god. Well this is different from a man who left makka to fight the young madinan, thinking that they will be a push over like the way they used to be in Makka.


The courage instilled in them in that Surah is of 10 folds.




Lets talk about the jews, from which your human god is a party. They killed from Cairo to Cannan. and david;s party was exactly 1/3 of Goliat's party. The same result as in Badr of Muslim that was much, much later. Do we criticize the jews here? No. They are God's chosen and the muslims are not! Do have a covenant with Eloi, already?




This very bold part refuted your saying that they killed all the captives, above. You cant have it both ways. Allah gives directive and His Directive must be the One to Obey, Follow.




If the on one side keeping some so that he can get more money, the question is this; did he get it?


Which of the Makkan came to Madina, the enclave of their sworn enemy who they are now at war with? Ode nie Toba. In today's situation, since you bring it to it, will the Iraqi elites who were on the side of Saddam Hussaine walking in to Washington DC to pay ransome for the senior officers kept in Abu Gharib Prison? Will America not snatch him, too? You bet ya. Therefore if enemies can walk into Madina and pay for the released of their loved ones, then in today's kindness, it is more than my beloved America will do for Taliban, Alqaida, the Iraqi who may be revere Saddam or an Iranian or Hisballah or Palestinian "terror" organization member. Yet America is head and should above Britain in kindness. But in all that grandeur is pale to what you have described for Muhammad (AS) and the Muslims, even back then.

You fail to touch the part that the prophet was in tears along with Abu Bakr when the above revelation came down to warn of "future" captives, because what is past is past.

Toba, let me ask you; In seriousness, do you think if the Messenger has done things to be ashamed of, if he was alone, will he say it, and if he was in the mist of the muslims, will they say it to the disbelievers? The things you accused him of, if he did it, it was part of strategy of war because it came directly from Allah. If he did not do them, then you have lied along with those who told you the lies.

This is the reason that I sometimes question the Biblical verses that cheapen Jesus, throwing out the rank of prophets; like the satan sending him all over the wilderness to preach to who, is still a mystery, and the temptations. In this case one will be forced to ask; where was the Sender of servant Jesus while all these are happening to him? All is always in control while your gods are not, and one was even tormented.




Even if they are false, you will use them for sure.

ohoh oh why can't counter toba with some verses from the book of poems called koran or the haddith me too i have came across it once and discovered a lots from it in case you don't know check this on google prophet of doom and see what will happen

jcross19:

ohoh oh why can't counter toba with some verses from the book of poems called koran or the haddith me too i have came across it once and discovered a lots from it in case you don't know check this on google prophet of doom and see what will happen

hin no fit do so becos Mohammad did many shameless things. He came to defend the guy. But they haven't seen anything yet

Allah says conversation with disbelievers 'you two, etc', should be with wisdom and patience/softness. the softness part am learning. May Allah give me high level of it. Amin.

Above i employed 'wisdom' call the loose bowel mouthed Toba, just like you gangsta rap jcross19, that he shoul turn to his Bible and he will find worse behaviors. each of them will come from noble men; Moses, David are good examples here.

for a man like toba who has no personal shame, what is it that i can say to him that will sink into his already clogged needing a heavy duty plunger heart.

If I use te Quran, only one verse is enough; Allah says to Muhammad: you will have example of your Quality in the past Messengers and prophets.

So Muhammad is clearly a Hanifan like Ibrahim (AS). A first and only to mankind, like Adam (AS) is the first and only to start mankind. Like Moses in greater parts. Like Jesus, the last for the children of israel, Muhammmad (AS) last. Period.

So when you look at all of this, only a deviant, like you people will have anything to say against him. Hopefully we can stay on topic when we state our views.

nopuqeater:

Allah says conversation with disbelievers 'you two, etc', should be with wisdom and patience/softness. the softness part am learning. May Allah give me high level of it. Amin.

Above i employed 'wisdom' call the loose bowel mouthed Toba, just like you gangsta rap jcross19, that he shoul turn to his Bible and he will find worse behaviors. each of them will come from noble men; Moses, David are good examples here.

for a man like toba who has no personal shame, what is it that i can say to him that will sink into his already clogged needing a heavy duty plunger heart.

If I use te Quran, only one verse is enough; Allah says to Muhammad: you will have example of your Quality in the past Messengers and prophets.

So Muhammad is clearly a Hanifan like Ibrahim (AS). A first and only to mankind, like Adam (AS) is the first and only to start mankind. Like Moses in greater parts. Like Jesus, the last for the children of israel, Muhammmad (AS) last. Period.

So when you look at all of this, only a deviant, like you people will have anything to say against him. Hopefully we can stay on topic when we state our views.

Ishaq:511 "When the Apostle raided a people he waited until morning, and then he attacked. We came to Khaybar by night. When morning came and he did not hear the call to prayer, he rode and we rode with him. We met the workers of Khaybar coming out in the morning with their spades and baskets. When they saw the Prophet and our army they cried, 'Muhammad with his force.' They turned tail and fled. The Apostle yelled, 'Allahu Akbar! Khaybar is destroyed.' When we arrive at a people's square, it is a bad morning for them. you see how your terrorist prophet invading people huh, OKAY SEE THIS , Bukhari:V5B59N512 "The Prophet offered the Fajr Prayer [the Prayer of Fear] near Khaybar when it was still dark. He said, 'Allahu-Akbar.' [Allah is Greatest] Khaybar is destroyed, for whenever we approach a hostile nation to fight, then evil will be the morning for those who have been warned.' Then the inhabitants of Khaybar came out running on their roads. The Prophet had their men killed; their CHILDRENand WOMEN were taken as captives.OH OKAY ALL THESE FROM YOUR HADITH RIGHT MMMMMMMWHAOO CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY. INTRESTING VERSE, Qur'an 33:26 "Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.

Qur'an 33:26 "Allah made the Jews leave their homes by TERRORIZING them so that you KILLED some and made many CAPTIVE. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before. whaoooooooooooooooo this is ridiculous this is religion of peace in deed

nopuqeater:

@Toba; « #161 on: Today at 05:43:41 PM »Is there a need to interpret Verse 5 of Surah Mujadilla, above separately from what it says as a part of story of a wife who complained to the Messenger (AS) her husband, and the instruction to the community from its Lord, Allah, about how to deal handle such a situation, separately from how it used to be handled before in Arabia? Allah warns that from even among the Muslims there are who do not deal in just manner and their reward if they die on the platform of such evil.

Stop wasting ur time. I saw the other verse there, but i was more concerned with the verse 5 talking about wickedness that should/will be done to those that are opposed to u guys. i.e pple like the atheist deist and the Christians

nopuqeater:

In the community of the Muslims, we have true believers and lip service muslims. The lip service muslims are even worse than you who is an outright disbeliever. This lip service muslims may not be known to the prophet (AS) because it is not his ability to read hearts of mankind, except what his Lord revealed to him. However his Lord know who these people are.

So that verse doesnt extend to the atheist, deist and the Christians that are in opposition with u guys abi?

nopuqeater:

The other day, a friend from Mauritania was saying to me that he divorced his wife 3 times in one single marriage. So I said, oh Adama with your education, if you marry a wife for the very first time, have you married her three times, already do that when you pronounce 3 divorces on her, she becomes unlawful to you? You see, some muslims will say in anger, to their wives "you are like the back of my mother". We all know that no one climb his mother's back as a husband will climb the back of his wife. So these people say things that are abominable and in the chapter that you are making yourself fit in, since [/b]you are a pure disbeliever and every where you see disbeliever in it, it must be talking about you, [b]except that in the above it is addressing muslims, the hypocrites among the muslim community.

U still talking nonsense. When the quran talks about disbelievers and unbelievers the Christians are not included right according to this chapter right? but in other chapters when they are talking about disbelievers and unbelievers the Christian and Jews are included right? U are talking the greatest BullS.h.it. i have ever heard. Is that not inconsistence on the part of the author of the quran? At one point it refers to the Christians and at the other it doesn't. This is absolutely unreasonable mr man

nopuqeater:

You know a muslim could become a disbeliever. Examples of those are those who convert out of Islam to say Christianity. Yet a disbeliever can become a believer, and the examples are those who revert into Islam. So Allah calling them disbelievers in the above is based on their hearts which only He knows.

See a confused man. U are mixing things up again. Allah was talking about moslems right? Does that mean christians are no longer disbelievers except muslims?

nopuqeater:

In the history of Islam, during the leadership of mild mannered, truly meek Abu Bakr (RA), he considered the muslims who refused to pay Zakat disbelievers. This is a good example if the others above cant get the door of your reasoning open up. I dont know what to tell you. When the Quran speaks to you as a disbeliever, and the verses are many (sometimes you are called Alal Kitabu, or Nasara, among others still qualifying as a disbeliever and not a believer), in the Quran.

Because u blindly follow what u dont understand i mean u muslims thats why we have all these confusion.

I will ask u the meaning of disbelievers/ Unbelievers and also to tell me those that falls in the category of disbelievers

nopuqeater:

@Toba; « #162 on: Today at 05:56:08 PM »
Is this similar to the Youtube's Christian missionary Atrocities?

Answer that ur self and compare the atrocities of Mohammad including looting with it

nopuqeater:

Were the caravan captured? This is the only way we can say they came to defend them. Or is there any other way? Lets read what Toba and his masters have to say about Gazhwtul Badr.

What sort of a stupid question is this? I said pple that came to defend their rights were slaughtered yet u are asking me if caravans were captured. Were pple slaughtered or not?

nopuqeater:

The gang of criminals according to the disbelievers were Abu Bakr, a super wealthy Makka before islam. Maintained that wealth and was able to pay for the freedom of his brother Bilah bin RAbah from the hand of the like mind of Toba, in their days. Toba is an enemy of Al Qahar, just like the idolaters of Makka in their days. One of the gang of criminals was Umar bin Khattab (whose nickname is Al Sheriff, a title that American law agency; The Sheriff department is happy to take. General Montgomery of England in Second world war is named after this illustrous muslimthat this nejess of a man named toba called Criminal). Another criminal was Uthman ibn Affan, who even the Makkan in their disbelieving ways were full of respect for.

To show that u are silly. was i born then for u to be equating /comparing pple with me

nopuqeater:

Another is Ali bin AbiTalib, who his nobility is right in the family of Muhammad, as a first cousin, whose grandfather's bloodline was the caretaker of Ka'aba and the one who revived the Zam Zam well. There are many of them. Let me just stop here and consider the position of Moses, who eliminated the Amalekites, the Jebusites, the Hittaties, and others. What did these city states took from Bani Israil under Moses? We already know that the Makkans did not let the muslims leave Makka with their whole family and definitely their properties, so that they can begin life afresh, from a higher financial grade and not from the bottom of the barrels in Madina.

What concerns moses with this matter? I wonder how u reason for Gods sake. Waht was the Justification mohammad had for killing these pple?

nopuqeater:

I know it does not mean anything to you if somebody forces you to leave your wife behind. heck, your fiancee you are ready to share with any man bold enough to go on top of her, since fiances are often the wife in the future. I see why you dont know why the Muslims will want their principle away from the Makkan who are now using it to make tons of money, by their unusually big and more frequent caravan trades.

Try to make sense. Waht concerns me and my fiance with pple that were killed? Is my topic related to the atrocities mohammad committed?

nopuqeater:

There is a proverb in yoruba land that says "Ewo ni ti ara Ibadan ni waju ile sodeke" because of the on going animosity similar to what we are talking about between Makkan and Muslims of Madina, yet the Makkans have to journey a route so close to Madina. Is that intentionally provoking the Madinans, that we are using your properties left in Makka to make money for ourselves and we want you to see it and you wil not have ability to do anything about it.

Theres no law of forgiveness in the islamic history. Is that enough reasons to waste pples lives? Im not suprised when muslims carryout their terrorist attack this days they kill innocent pple as well. So live means nothing to muslims

nopuqeater:

America is in a war. George Bush prosecuted it for 7 plus years. Barack Obama is prosecuting it as we speak now. has anyone of them took a gun, flew a jet to attach a single "taliban or Alqaidah". What you claimed that Muhammad did, as above is what every Head of State does in time of war, being the Commander in Chief (US Title for the office of the President). Did Muhammad (AS) do more tan that? Yes. When Ali bin Abi Talib was asked who was the most courageaous in battle, he said it was the Messenger (AS). The messenger said that it does not befit a messenger of God to put on a bosom plate/armor, ready for war except that he shows up in the battle field. His presence in the battlefield was borne out by him being wounded in Ghazhwatul Huud. I will leave the cowardice quality for anyone you wanna throw it on as a non combatant.

This is the most senseless comparison i have ever read. Mohammad was a warrior, killer and a battler. George bush and Obama are not. If as u said he was wounded in a battle does that not confirm that he cant be compared with the 2 presidents u mentioned? Mohammad do go to war and If he had stayed back becos of the injuries he sustained in another war, does it give u a justification to compare him with presidents that dont go to war to kill physically like ur prophet? Oga try to reason well i beg

nopuqeater:

Jesus went through the same exact thing. Begging "The Real God" to save him from an impending death. While the Dua of Muhammad (AS) was accepted, as you will see later, that of Jesus was rejected according to you. The rejection is a mark, if nothing else for not being God if not being a real prophet.

Bullcrap as usual. I have showed u how powerful jesus is already. Dont make the mistake of comparing him with mohammad. Jesus knew waht he came to the earth to do and tha he fulfilled.

nopuqeater:

Before I addressed the bold, we see that the muslims won this battle, even less than 1/3 of the Kufar and completely ill equiped to do the job. Alla is Akbar. Now as to the bold; there is a verse in the Quran that address this issue, with a theme that clearly tells us that Muhammad (AS), the noble general no one of the captives was killed, instead of being ransomed, until after that verse, if any dies at all. But the ransome demanded was not in monies, but mostly in services of the type that heped even to educate the masses of muslims of Madina.

Why did they demand ransom in the first place? U are trying to justify terrorism which is very bad. It is pure greed. Why should u kill pple if they failed to pay ransom? Jesus was used to redeem human and his blood was used as a ransom but not in the criminal way mohammad and his cohorts did. Hes a kidnapper just the way its done here in Nigeria

nopuqeater:

They looked for the corpse of Abu jahl (Lanatullah), an family relation of the Messenger. The Messenger (AS) went with them and they found him when the messenger had marked as his spot when death will overtake him. It was exactly like that and the prophet was speaking to him; have you seen what your Lord has promised you (for all disbelievers in hellfire). Prophet will not the body of a death Kafir. Its not permissible to benefit such a corpse. So that uyou know, Toba, if I ever meet you and we are cordial with each other, if i die before you, say in my old age of 150 years, i will have an agreement that a disbeliever like you must not come close to my body so that you dont touch me.

OH God see ignorance. Can a dead body know what is been placed by its side?
If Mohammad never wanted to boast over the number of dead bodies from his killings what was he doing beside the dead body that was been sought?

nopuqeater:

The disbeliever in their lies will never prosper. You see how they turned "oh people of the pit" into the muslims burying the disbelievers in pit, rather than what it means "Oh people of hellfire (Pit)".

Why are u cahsing shadows? Was the head not cut off?
and thrown down at Mohammed's feet? did The "Apostle of peace" not cried out in delirious joy, "Rejoice! Here lies the head of the enemy of Allah! Praise Allah, for there is no other but he!" The Prophet then ordered a great pit to be dug for the bodies of the innocents to be dumped? did The Muslims not proceeded to hack the corpses limbs into pieces. As the bloodied mass of bodies was being thrown into the pit, a feverishly excited Mohammed shreiked?

nopuqeater:

Why would you ask a person who is going to kill you to be the guardian of your children, except that you know he was a just and merciful soul and your dying in his hand is extremely deserving? I know your anger against islam will not let you see that.

See wickedness. If truly he offended u what concern the children? Didnt u saw ur mohammad was an apostle of piece? was that too difficult for him to do?

nopuqeater:

Did Jesus do less? A reminder here; the thief on the left side at calvary was only "wrong" in not identifying jesus. That called the anger and non forgiving nature of the meek and the so merciful human god. Well this is different from a man who left makka to fight the young madinan, thinking that they will be a push over like the way they used to be in Makka.

See this ignorant man. Tell me what happened in that part of the bible when jesus was on the cross

nopuqeater:

The courage instilled in them in that Surah is of 10 folds.

to do evil and reck havoc?

nopuqeater:

Lets talk about the jews, from which your human god is a party. They killed from Cairo to Cannan. and david;s party was exactly 1/3 of Goliat's party. The same result as in Badr of Muslim that was much, much later. Do we criticize the jews here? No. They are God's chosen and the muslims are not! Do have a covenant with Eloi, already?

Are they related to mohammad? Did anyone among them married a 9yr old and took the wife of his adopted son?

nopuqeater:

This very bold part refuted your saying that they killed all the captives, above. You cant have it both ways. Allah gives directive and His Directive must be the One to Obey, Follow.

Is not not slavery, which is still been practiced in modern day sharia

nopuqeater:

If the on one side keeping some so that he can get more money, the question is this; did he get it?

Which of the Makkan came to Madina, the enclave of their sworn enemy who they are now at war with? Ode nie Toba. In today's situation, since you bring it to it, will the Iraqi elites who were on the side of Saddam Hussaine walking in to Washington DC to pay ransome for the senior officers kept in Abu Gharib Prison? Will America not snatch him, too? You bet ya. Therefore if enemies can walk into Madina and pay for the released of their loved ones, then in today's kindness, it is more than my beloved America will do for Taliban, Alqaida, the Iraqi who may be revere Saddam or an Iranian or Hisballah or Palestinian "terror" organization member. Yet America is head and should above Britain in kindness. But in all that grandeur is pale to what you have described for Muhammad (AS) and the Muslims, even back then.

You fail to touch the part that the prophet was in tears along with Abu Bakr when the above revelation came down to warn of "future" captives, because what is past is past.

Toba, let me ask you; In seriousness, do you think if the Messenger has done things to be ashamed of, if he was alone, will he say it, and if he was in the mist of the muslims, will they say it to the disbelievers? The things you accused him of, if he did it, it was part of strategy of war because it came directly from Allah. If he did not do them, then you have lied along with those who told you the lies.

This is the reason that I sometimes question the Biblical verses that cheapen Jesus, throwing out the rank of prophets; like the satan sending him all over the wilderness to preach to who, is still a mystery, and the temptations. In this case one will be forced to ask; where was the Sender of servant Jesus while all these are happening to him? All is always in control while your gods are not, and one was even tormented.

Story. When he didnt get ransom from prisoners what did he do? spared them or killed them?

nopuqeater:

Even if they are false, you will use them for sure.

All the evil mohammad did is there anyone u have refuted thus far? If theres none it only shows that they are all true

nopuqeater:

Allah says conversation with disbelievers 'you two, etc', should be with wisdom and patience/softness. the softness part am learning. May Allah give me high level of it. Amin.

But in one of ur post above u said we aren't disbelievers no?

nopuqeater:

Above i employed 'wisdom' call the loose bowel mouthed Toba, just like you gangsta rap jcross19, that he shoul turn to his Bible and he will find worse behaviors. each of them will come from noble men; Moses, David are good examples here.

U have exhibited ignorance all through

nopuqeater:

for a man like toba who has no personal shame, what is it that i can say to him that will sink into his already clogged needing a heavy duty plunger heart.

I dont need to here anything from followers of Islam/Mohammad, whose hearts are filled with evil and terrorism

nopuqeater:

If I use te Quran, only one verse is enough; Allah says to Muhammad: you will have example of your Quality in the past Messengers and prophets.

So Muhammad is clearly a Hanifan like Ibrahim (AS). A first and only to mankind, like Adam (AS) is the first and only to start mankind. Like Moses in greater parts. Like Jesus, the last for the children of israel, Muhammmad (AS) last. Period.

So when you look at all of this, only a deviant, like you people will have anything to say against him. Hopefully we can stay on topic when we state our views.

But Adam didnt kill any body like mohammad, he didnt marry a 9yr old neither did he go to war with anyone.

I will tell u never to compare mohammad with jesus again. se u here?

meanwhile, the thread continues to grow

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[size=25pt]Part 3 of some of my other atrocities [/size]


3) Assasination of poets who criticised Mohammed's murderous ways
Date: Late March-April, 623 A.D
Place: Medinah
Victims: Two of the most famous poets of Medinah, who had the courage to criticise the murderous actions of Mohammed and his gang


Take a look at what the guy walking is holding in preparation for massacre




After the battle of Badr, the people of Medinah were horrified that they had given refuge to such a blatant criminal and his followers in their city. Many began protesting the presence of such violent and murderous people in their city. In a free society like Pre-Islamic Arabia, the poets acted as society's conscience and were free to criticise, satirize and examine the actions of people. The two most famous poets of this kind were Abu 'Afak; an extremely old and respected poet and Asma bint Marwan; a young mother with the gift of superb verse.

Muhammad was enraged at their criticism. When he heard the verses composed by Asma Bint Marwan he was infuriated and screamed aloud, "Will no one rid me of this daughter of Marwan!" That very night a gang of Muslims set out to do the dirty deed. They broke into the poets' house. She was lying in in her bedroom suckling her newborn child, while her other small children slept nearby. The Muslims tore the newborn infant off her bosom and hacked it to pieces before her very eyes. They then made her watch the murder of all four of her children, before despoiling and then stabbing her repeatedly to death. After the murder when the Muslims went to inform the Prophet, he said "You have done a service to Allah and his Messenger, her life was not worth even two goats!"

A month later the distinguished and highly respected Abu Afak, who was over a hundred years old and reknowned for his sense of fairness, was killed brutally in the same manner as he slept. Once again the Prophet had commented that morning "Who will avenge me on this scoundrel!"

This shows us exactly how much the tolerant and peace loving Prophet respected life. Muslims claim that Mohammed was extremely gentle and loved children. Indeed the horrifying way he had Asma Bint Marwan's five infants slaughtered certainly attests to this "loving" side of the Prophet.

@Jcross19: « #169 on: Yesterday at 02:25:02 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: nopuqeater on Yesterday at 11:33:30 AM
Allah says conversation with disbelievers 'you two, etc', should be with wisdom and patience/softness. the softness part am learning. May Allah give me high level of it. Amin.

Above i employed 'wisdom' call the loose bowel mouthed Toba, just like you gangsta rap jcross19, that he shoul turn to his Bible and he will find worse behaviors. each of them will come from noble men; Moses, David are good examples here.

for a man like toba who has no personal shame, what is it that i can say to him that will sink into his already clogged needing a heavy duty plunger heart.

If I use te Quran, only one verse is enough; Allah says to Muhammad: you will have example of your Quality in the past Messengers and prophets.

So Muhammad is clearly a Hanifan like Ibrahim (AS). A first and only to mankind, like Adam (AS) is the first and only to start mankind. Like Moses in greater parts. Like Jesus, the last for the children of israel, Muhammmad (AS) last. Period.

So when you look at all of this, only a deviant, like you people will have anything to say against him. Hopefully we can stay on topic when we state our views.
Ishaq:511 "When the Apostle raided a people he waited until morning, and then he attacked.[/Quote]This is mercy if prophet before him used to attack under the darkness of the night. Or at least, it is in line withe what the prophets used to do. But them when there is way, the best strategy is to minimize casuality and shorten the time for combat.




[Quote]We came to Khaybar by night. When morning came and he did not hear the call to prayer, he rode and we rode with him. We met the workers of Khaybar coming out in the morning with their spades and baskets. When they saw the Prophet and our army they cried, 'Muhammad with his force.' They turned tail and fled. The Apostle yelled, 'Allahu Akbar! Khaybar is destroyed.' When we arrive at a people's square, it is a bad morning for them. you see how your terrorist prophet invading people huh,[/Quote]Moses was Prophet, too. How did he invade people? Whats so special the timing of invading the territory of your sworn enemy who will kill you if he has upperhand? You should do it when you are less effective and he your enemy has trememdous strength to kill yu? Americ in her mercy and fairness invades enemies from the sky because it is effective, destabilizing them so that ground invasio wil be more of a cake walk. Read about Afghanistan and Iraq, two wars still going on, today.




[Quote]OKAY SEE THIS , Bukhari:V5B59N512 "The Prophet offered the Fajr Prayer [the Prayer of Fear] near Khaybar when it was still dark. He said, 'Allahu-Akbar.' [Allah is Greatest] Khaybar is destroyed, for whenever we approach a hostile nation to fight, then evil will be the morning for those who have been warned.'[/Quote]Fajr prayer is a daily prayer done immediately after the time of dawn begins and before the sun rises. It is not fear (Salatul Kauf), otherwise all muslims are in fear, daily. and you know thats not correct. rather it is the otherside that is in daily fear, you will say; so am saying it that you are wrong. You and your bosses. Incidentally, te musims warned the people of Khaybar to leave because they have betrayed the trust they all had.




[Quote]Then the inhabitants of Khaybar came out running on their roads. The Prophet had their men killed; their CHILDRENand WOMEN were taken as captives.OH OKAY ALL THESE FROM YOUR HADITH RIGHT MMMMMMMWHAOO CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY. INTRESTING VERSE, Qur'an 33:26 "Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.[/Quote]Remove Muhammad (AS) and place Moses in there. Remove the muslims and place Children of Israel in there. Remove Kahaybar/Jews and place Amalekites or Jebusites, etc (your choice) in there. Read it to yourself. Is it different from what truth does to falsehood?

@Toba: « #171 on: Yesterday at 06:11:56 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: nopuqeater on September 23, 2010, 07:31 PM
@Toba; « #161 on: Today at 05:43:41 PM »Is there a need to interpret Verse 5 of Surah Mujadilla, above separately from what it says as a part of story of a wife who complained to the Messenger (AS) her husband, and the instruction to the community from its Lord, Allah, about how to deal handle such a situation, separately from how it used to be handled before in Arabia? Allah warns that from even among the Muslims there are who do not deal in just manner and their reward if they die on the platform of such evil.
Stop wasting your time. I saw the other verse there, but i was more concerned with the verse 5 talking about wickedness that should/will be done to those that are opposed to u guys. i.e pple like the atheist deist and the Christians[/Quote]The bold is very telling about your mindset. Especially that fact that you ignored the complete read, but cherry pick a verse that may not be addressing you at that time. Am sure if you read the verse saying that the Arabs are clearly disbelievers and hypocrites, in Surah Taubah, you will just talk about the kufr and hypocrisy parts, not looking at what follows which calibrated the Believers away from the disbelievers and hypocrites. No wonder you saw jesus saying am a servant and you insist that he is God!




[Quote]Quote from: nopuqeater on September 23, 2010, 07:31 PM
In the community of the Muslims, we have true believers and lip service muslims. The lip service muslims are even worse than you who is an outright disbeliever. This lip service muslims may not be known to the prophet (AS) because it is not his ability to read hearts of mankind, except what his Lord revealed to him. However his Lord know who these people are.
So that verse doesnt extend to the atheist, deist and the Christians that are in opposition with u guys abi?[/Quote]If you wanna say you are at the epicenter of that verse, be my guest.




[Quote]Quote from: nopuqeater on September 23, 2010, 07:31 PM
The other day, a friend from Mauritania was saying to me that he divorced his wife 3 times in one single marriage. So I said, oh Adama with your education, if you marry a wife for the very first time, have you married her three times, already do that when you pronounce 3 divorces on her, she becomes unlawful to you? You see, some muslims will say in anger, to their wives "you are like the back of my mother". We all know that no one climb his mother's back as a husband will climb the back of his wife. So these people say things that are abominable and in the chapter that you are making yourself fit in, since you are a pure disbeliever and every where you see disbeliever in it, it must be talking about you, except that in the above it is addressing muslims, the hypocrites among the muslim community.

U still talking nonsense. When the quran talks about disbelievers and unbelievers the Christians are not included right according to this chapter right? but in other chapters when they are talking about disbelievers and unbelievers the Christian and Jews are included right? U are talking the greatest BullS.h.it. i have ever heard. Is that not inconsistence on the part of the author of the quran? At one point it refers to the Christians and at the other it doesn't. This is absolutely unreasonable mr man[/Quote]There used to be a time that the Children of Isreal were believers. When you take the Egyptians sid by side with them. Then after the cross the Sea, in the absence of Moses, the built a Yahweh of Gold. They were disbelievers at this time. Am using your Bible to lecture you now. This mistake earned them 40 years instead ot 40 days, the initial plan of Yahweh. When they meet the jebusites, they were believers and the Jebusites were disbelievers. When they killed the people of Jericho, they were killing disbelievers, too.

When Jesus came, he was gathering the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Who are these sheep? Real sheep? Of course not. They were humans, who deviated from Torah, for whatever they deviated with. They started or laced it up with talmud, etc. Under jesus, the disciples were belivers, versus those who refused him. Then Paul came up and brought his own type of "Talmud", like the liar Jews who brought real talmud to the jews.

From among muslims, we have disbelievers. These people should be like you, not being muslims at all. But they hid their disbelief. Hence they are called hypocrites. Hypocrites and disbellievers (like you, Toba) are all fuel of hellfire, if you die on the path you are on right now.







[Quote]Quote from: nopuqeater on September 23, 2010, 07:31 PM
You know a muslim could become a disbeliever. Examples of those are those who convert out of Islam to say Christianity. Yet a disbeliever can become a believer, and the examples are those who revert into Islam. So Allah calling them disbelievers in the above is based on their hearts which only He knows.
See a confused man. U are mixing things up again. Allah was talking about moslems right? Does that mean christians are no longer disbelievers except muslims?[/Quote]Avery non muslim is always going to be a disbeliever.




[Quote]Quote from: nopuqeater on September 23, 2010, 07:31 PM
In the history of Islam, during the leadership of mild mannered, truly meek Abu Bakr (RA), he considered the muslims who refused to pay Zakat disbelievers. This is a good example if the others above cant get the door of your reasoning open up. I dont know what to tell you. When the Quran speaks to you as a disbeliever, and the verses are many (sometimes you are called Alal Kitabu, or Nasara, among others still qualifying as a disbeliever and not a believer), in the Quran.

Because u blindly follow what u dont understand i mean u muslims thats why we have all these confusion.

I will ask u the meaning of disbelievers/ Unbelievers and also to tell me those that falls in the category of disbelievers[/Quote]You are not on the Siratal Mustaquim. You are a disbeliever, always until you become muslim.




[Quote]« #172 on: Yesterday at 07:03:38 PM »

Quote from: nopuqeater on September 23, 2010, 10:21 PM
@Toba; « #162 on: Today at 05:56:08 PM »
Is this similar to the Youtube's Christian missionary Atrocities?

Answer that your self and compare the atrocities of Mohammad including looting with it[/Quote]While the Missionary atrocities is on camera, you you say of Muhammad (AS) is at least if happened the way you said it, is self defense, wanting their makkan property in monetary value back. If it did not happen as you said it, then you are a lair. Moses fought, while no one ran him out and took his properties. You will not blame the children of israel.



[Quote]Quote from: nopuqeater on September 23, 2010, 10:21 PM
Were the caravan captured? This is the only way we can say they came to defend them. Or is there any other way? Lets read what Toba and his masters have to say about Gazhwtul Badr.

What sort of a silly question is this? I said pple that came to defend their rights were slaughtered yet u are asking me if caravans were captured. Were pple slaughtered or not?[/Quote]I know the story more than the half baked you told above. It is in the Quran; The Caravan escaped, because Allah did not want the Muslims to get it, but to entice the Makkans to fight, so that the muslims can engage in fight for the very first time, in the 15 years of Islam. I know you have no knowledge. The Makkans hearing the tale of the muslims attempt wanted to show them that they are not worthy, just like Goliat thought prophet David was. Then Allah defeated the overwhelming forces.



[Quote]Quote from: nopuqeater on September 23, 2010, 10:21 PM
The gang of criminals according to the disbelievers were Abu Bakr, a super wealthy Makka before islam. Maintained that wealth and was able to pay for the freedom of his brother Bilah bin RAbah from the hand of the like mind of Toba, in their days. Toba is an enemy of Al Qahar, just like the idolaters of Makka in their days. One of the gang of criminals was Umar bin Khattab (whose nickname is Al Sheriff, a title that American law agency; The Sheriff department is happy to take. General Montgomery of England in Second world war is named after this illustrous muslimthat this nejess of a man named toba called Criminal). Another criminal was Uthman ibn Affan, who even the Makkan in their disbelieving ways were full of respect for.
To show that u are silly. was i born then for u to be equating /comparing pple with me[/Quote]I didnt quite get your point. I compare people that you have their character/quality with you. You are a Kufar. So I compare your spirituality like that, wit disbelievers like you. Compare me to ay of th noble men of islam, I will be happy to be in their company; ALi, Uthman, Umar, Abu Bakr, etc and the Messenger (AS). Why are you running away from paul and co? And what you say of your personal life, I talk about it. Your ease in forgiving when you have been rubbished so much. letting your fiance become practicing trampoline. Why do you have a girlfriend, when you are commanded to marry? Alagbere.




[Quote]Quote from: nopuqeater on September 23, 2010, 10:21 PM
Another is Ali bin AbiTalib, who his nobility is right in the family of Muhammad, as a first cousin, whose grandfather's bloodline was the caretaker of Ka'aba and the one who revived the Zam Zam well. There are many of them. Let me just stop here and consider the position of Moses, who eliminated the Amalekites, the Jebusites, the Hittaties, and others. What did these city states took from Bani Israil under Moses? We already know that the Makkans did not let the muslims leave Makka with their whole family and definitely their properties, so that they can begin life afresh, from a higher financial grade and not from the bottom of the barrels in Madina.
What concerns moses with this matter? I wonder how u reason for Gods sake. Waht was the Justification mohammad had for killing these pple?[/Quote]The same justification that Moses had to kill the jebusite. No. Muhammad(SAS) had a better quality of justification. They betray the trust and also they were Kufar. Moses had the Kufar justification and nothing more. But when Yahweh does it, its no problem. But Yahweh was jesus; no? SO it was jesus who was doing it under the guise that he was Yahweh.




[Quote]Quote from: nopuqeater on September 23, 2010, 10:21 PM
I know it does not mean anything to you if somebody forces you to leave your wife behind. heck, your fiancee you are ready to share with any man bold enough to go on top of her, since fiances are often the wife in the future. I see why you dont know why the Muslims will want their principle away from the Makkan who are now using it to make tons of money, by their unusually big and more frequent caravan trades.
Try to make sense. Waht concerns me and my fiance with pple that were killed? Is my topic related to the atrocities mohammad committed?[/Quote]I brought the potential doormat to the topic, because if your heart is this illogical, no wonder you will let everyone do stationary bicycle on her. Your mind is very wowo.




[Quote]Quote from: nopuqeater on September 23, 2010, 10:21 PM
There is a proverb in yoruba land that says "Ewo ni ti ara Ibadan ni waju ile sodeke" because of the on going animosity similar to what we are talking about between Makkan and Muslims of Madina, yet the Makkans have to journey a route so close to Madina. Is that intentionally provoking the Madinans, that we are using your properties left in Makka to make money for ourselves and we want you to see it and you wil not have ability to do anything about it.

Theres no law of forgiveness in the islamic history.[/Quote]Makkan were forgiven. SO was taif. So was the jewish woman in Madina with the poison meat. It there was no permission to forgive, Allah would have said no. Just like He said no to the captives of Badr. You are the one who brought the topic, yesterday and you didnt see possibility of forgiveness on them, a thing that must have been there all along, until Allah says that these people are of special cae. In America, they say special circumstances.






[Quote]Is that enough reasons to waste pples lives?[/Quote]With less reason or no reason at all, Moses wasted a city.



[Quote]Im not suprised when muslims carryout their terrorist attack this days they kill innocent pple as well. So live means nothing to muslims[/QUote]2 World wars. You live n Nigeria; Gowon and Ojukwu. All of these were on the backs of Christianity and Christians.




[Quote]Quote from: nopuqeater on September 23, 2010, 10:21 PM
America is in a war. George Bush prosecuted it for 7 plus years. Barack Obama is prosecuting it as we speak now. has anyone of them took a gun, flew a jet to attach a single "taliban or Alqaidah". What you claimed that Muhammad did, as above is what every Head of State does in time of war, being the Commander in Chief (US Title for the office of the President). Did Muhammad (AS) do more tan that? Yes. When Ali bin Abi Talib was asked who was the most courageaous in battle, he said it was the Messenger (AS). The messenger said that it does not befit a messenger of God to put on a bosom plate/armor, ready for war except that he shows up in the battle field. His presence in the battlefield was borne out by him being wounded in Ghazhwatul Huud. I will leave the cowardice quality for anyone you wanna throw it on as a non combatant.
This is the most senseless comparison i have ever read. Mohammad was a warrior, killer and a battler. George bush and Obama are not.[/Quote]Where do live, now, Toba? You are talking out of knowledge. The commander who is in the trenches with the soldier, is a morale booster than the one who is in the bunker hiding. the one who talks from the headquarters is better than the one who is never heard or seen. You lack understanding. Ooto. talking to you is like talking to a wall. No a tree. The jews talk to wall; the wailing wall.




[Quote]If as u said he was wounded in a battle does that not confirm that he cant be compared with the 2 presidents u mentioned? Mohammad do go to war and If he had stayed back becos of the injuries he sustained in another war, does it give u a justification to compare him with presidents that dont go to war to kill physically like your prophet? Oga try to reason well i beg[/Quote]Every american president says "The buck stops with me". I am responsible. Thats what they say. WHo sends the generals and the troops to war? The President, telling the Secretary of Defense to do it, while all the National Security council members argue and the outcome is where the President leans. Jesoul, talk to this man for me, because he is no naive, I feel like crying for his ignorance. And he will raise a child, some day. Subhannallah.




[Quote]Quote from: nopuqeater on September 23, 2010, 10:21 PM
Jesus went through the same exact thing. Begging "The Real God" to save him from an impending death. While the Dua of Muhammad (AS) was accepted, as you will see later, that of Jesus was rejected according to you. The rejection is a mark, if nothing else for not being God if not being a real prophet.
Bullcrap as usual. I have showed u how powerful jesus is already.[/Quote]Yet he said "of my own power, I can do nothing". Who is the liar; you or who?




[Quote]Dont make the mistake of comparing him with mohammad. Jesus knew waht he came to the earth to do and tha he fulfilled.[/QUote]Tell us what they were. Then while you are it; who was that prophet? Who was the another Comforter? Who was the other before the another comforter?




[Quote]Quote from: nopuqeater on September 23, 2010, 10:21 PM
Before I addressed the bold, we see that the muslims won this battle, even less than 1/3 of the Kufar and completely ill equiped to do the job. Alla is Akbar. Now as to the bold; there is a verse in the Quran that address this issue, with a theme that clearly tells us that Muhammad (AS), the noble general no one of the captives was killed, instead of being ransomed, until after that verse, if any dies at all. But the ransome demanded was not in monies, but mostly in services of the type that heped even to educate the masses of muslims of Madina.
Why did they demand ransom in the first place? U are trying to justify terrorism which is very bad. It is pure greed. Why should u kill pple if they failed to pay ransom? Jesus was used to redeem human and his blood was used as a ransom but not in the criminal way mohammad and his cohorts did. Hes a kidnapper just the way its done here in Nigeria[/Quote]They could demand ransom. It could be money. It could be anything because they were in control, thats why. Why did the slave masters make Kunta Kinte became Toby? he was the man in control. The Spanish christians in their inquisition told the muslims and Jews to become christians or be killed. Jesus couldnt redeem himself. Please let me lay off an innocent man, before you think am beliitling him. You already did by making up story about him. And those Nigerian kidnappers are Muslims or the beheaders are muslims, too?





[Quote]Quote from: nopuqeater on September 23, 2010, 10:21 PM
They looked for the corpse of Abu jahl (Lanatullah), an family relation of the Messenger. The Messenger (AS) went with them and they found him when the messenger had marked as his spot when death will overtake him. It was exactly like that and the prophet was speaking to him; have you seen what your Lord has promised you (for all disbelievers in hellfire). Prophet will not the body of a death Kafir. Its not permissible to benefit such a corpse. So that uyou know, Toba, if I ever meet you and we are cordial with each other, if i die before you, say in my old age of 150 years, i will have an agreement that a disbeliever like you must not come close to my body so that you dont touch me.

OH God see ignorance. Can a dead body know what is been placed by its side?[/Quote]Yes. Dead bodies can hear. Many muslims have been washed and shrouded and their faces changed to happiness. Well, it is nothing you will ever experience, since you have to wear suit as if you are going to a party (hell party), and wear make up to give impression that you are still fresh, while inside its all rot.




[Quote]If Mohammad never wanted to boast over the number of dead bodies from his killings what was he doing beside the dead body that was been sought?[/Quote]If he boasted, his was better, far better than jesus who said he was a slave and then boasted he was God Himself!




[Quote]Quote from: nopuqeater on September 23, 2010, 10:21 PM
The disbeliever in their lies will never prosper. You see how they turned "oh people of the pit" into the muslims burying the disbelievers in pit, rather than what it means "Oh people of hellfire (Pit)".
Why are u cahsing shadows? Was the head not cut off?[/Quote]Let me answer by what I know about the Prophet (S). In Madina, a Jewish funeral proceeding was passing when the prophet (AS) and come companions were together (RA). He stop, stood up until the funeral proceeding passed through before he resumed what he was doing. When the companions who of course follwed his lead asked why he did what he did, his reply was that you pity the soul that was lost. By the way he was a full commander at that time and if he was what you said at badr, then we asked, what made him do what he dis for a Jew, instead of pitying an arab, his clansman, Abu Jahl? You see, you dont think. You are very emotional and very wild in your manner.




[Quote]and thrown down at Mohammed's feet? did The "Apostle of peace" not cried out in delirious joy, "Rejoice! Here lies the head of the enemy of [Quote]Allah! Praise Allah, for there is no other but he!" The Prophet then ordered a great pit to be dug for the bodies of the innocents to be dumped? did The Muslims not proceeded to hack the corpses limbs into pieces. As the bloodied mass of bodies was being thrown into the pit, a feverishly excited Mohammed shreiked?[/Quote]Read the above and read my yesterday post on the matter. I am certain thathe will not touch the body of disbeliever, and will command the muslims not to touch them, too. The pit here is hell. Are you ready for you pit, if you do not change, because in it you will meet Abu jahl, Firawn, Hitler, etc. According to you a companion of jesus; Judas iscariot.




[Quote]Quote from: nopuqeater on September 23, 2010, 10:21 PM
Why would you ask a person who is going to kill you to be the guardian of your children, except that you know he was a just and merciful soul and your dying in his hand is extremely deserving? I know your anger against islam will not let you see that.
See wickedness. If truly he offended u what concern the children? Didnt u saw your mohammad was an apostle of piece? was that too difficult for him to do?[/Quote]Did you ever hear that any of the prophets was so much revered and trusted for his words and convictions? Let talk about Jesus; The thief on the left, did he offered to jesus a trust similar to what the makkan asked of the noble messenger? Did Judas Iscariot did something similar, who knew him and died even before jesus was tried? Why didnt they? They knew the true natures of these noble men. Muhammad (AS), in the heat of the makkan hatred will bring their most cherished possessions for him to safekeep it ofr them. This was the reason Ali bin AbiTalib for the "Bayt" (RA) remained behind during the Hirj to Madina. is there an enemy so trusted in human history? Never. Muhammad was the first and the only. And it will never be a noble soul like him. Ever.





[Quote]Quote from: nopuqeater on September 23, 2010, 10:21 PM
Did Jesus do less? A reminder here; the thief on the left side at calvary was only "wrong" in not identifying jesus. That called the anger and non forgiving nature of the meek and the so merciful human god. Well this is different from a man who left makka to fight the young madinan, thinking that they will be a push over like the way they used to be in Makka.
See this ignorant man. Tell me what happened in that part of the bible when jesus was on the cross[/Quote]I will tell you sincew you asked. Now did the thief on the left offend Jesus? If so what was his offense? Just because he didnt recognized him as christ, is that the offense? But paul didnt recognize him and never heard his voice, until he said, suddenly that was christ talking to me. You see Paul's lies and gimmicks. Let us go back to the thief on the left. Is not knowing Jesus was being hung like him, a common thief enough for Jesus to assume he needed to forgive this man? Did man didnt in actuality effended him. The man we may say offended Jesus was Judas Iscariot. But then, Jesus already said he will be the person, so he just followed order, based on what Jesus said. His heart was already locked on the task. Did Jesus forgive his emissary Judas Iscariot? No. And if you have a verse that says otherwise, show it because the guy died of the same thing; hanging. What now is the quality of Jesus in the department of forgiveness? Zero. What is the Quality of Muhammad in the forgiveness department? Lets go to the jewish lady who poisoned him. When those who ate the food were dying like flies, the Prophet (AS) said they shoud bring the woman. He asked her why did you poison the meat? She said if you are a prophet it will not hurt (right there, so people can know and I can know), if you are not, I am eager to get rid of an fake.
The prophet said they should let her go, because her reason was sincere. And about the people of Taif, before they became muslims, you should read it on your own. Same with the victory over Makka. Then under Umar, see what he did with the people of jerusalem. Do some reading.



[Quote]Quote from: nopuqeater on September 23, 2010, 10:21 PM
The courage instilled in them in that Surah is of 10 folds.

to do evil and reck havoc?[/QUote]Whatever. Listen to David under King Saul when David faced Goliat.





[Quote]Quote from: nopuqeater on September 23, 2010, 10:21 PM
Lets talk about the jews, from which your human god is a party. They killed from Cairo to Cannan. and david;s party was exactly 1/3 of Goliat's party. The same result as in Badr of Muslim that was much, much later. Do we criticize the jews here? No. They are God's chosen and the muslims are not! Do have a covenant with Eloi, already?
Are they related to mohammad? Did anyone among them married a 9yr old and took the wife of his adopted son?[/Quote]If i marry a woman who was engaged to another man before I came along, should anyone thing that she was not matured enough for a husband? What was the lack of complain in her first engamement, but you are complaining now that she is married for the first time? Are you not being unjust here? When was Aishah (RA) born, as related to her father becoming a muslims? Before or after, since he bacame a muslim in the very first year? If she was born before then, she would at least be 13 years old before Hijr. If she was not, then she would have been some who were born into Islamic family. There is no record to show that she was born after her father became a muslim, because her mother was divorced from her father because of his conversion to Islam. So how was a woman who was a Kufar, and not married to Abu Bakr going to have a baby for him, when he was already a muslim in the first year, and was ready to leave for Abyssinia, in the first wave of the little Hijr there? In that effort he went to the family of the future husband to take Aishah of his hand. It was then they dissolved the engamenet. So tell me how is a wife to young for her husband, especially in the light of the above?




[Quote]Quote from: nopuqeater on September 23, 2010, 10:21 PM
This very bold part refuted your saying that they killed all the captives, above. You cant have it both ways. Allah gives directive and His Directive must be the One to Obey, Follow.
Is not not slavery, which is still been practiced in modern day sharia[/Quote]Just in case you and your fiancee are captives in Lagos, I will not want eith for my share. She has been driven more that the most common car, as per your willingness to forgive and dont mind her situation of less than honorable. And you. I hope you are not a switch hitter, since you said you are a Bride of Jesus?




[Quote]Quote from: nopuqeater on September 23, 2010, 10:21 PM
If the on one side keeping some so that he can get more money, the question is this; did he get it?

Which of the Makkan came to Madina, the enclave of their sworn enemy who they are now at war with? Ode nie Toba. In today's situation, since you bring it to it, will the Iraqi elites who were on the side of Saddam Hussaine walking in to Washington DC to pay ransome for the senior officers kept in Abu Gharib Prison? Will America not snatch him, too? You bet ya. Therefore if enemies can walk into Madina and pay for the released of their loved ones, then in today's kindness, it is more than my beloved America will do for Taliban, Alqaida, the Iraqi who may be revere Saddam or an Iranian or Hisballah or Palestinian "terror" organization member. Yet America is head and should above Britain in kindness. But in all that grandeur is pale to what you have described for Muhammad (AS) and the Muslims, even back then.

You fail to touch the part that the prophet was in tears along with Abu Bakr when the above revelation came down to warn of "future" captives, because what is past is past.

Toba, let me ask you; In seriousness, do you think if the Messenger has done things to be ashamed of, if he was alone, will he say it, and if he was in the mist of the muslims, will they say it to the disbelievers? The things you accused him of, if he did it, it was part of strategy of war because it came directly from Allah. If he did not do them, then you have lied along with those who told you the lies.

This is the reason that I sometimes question the Biblical verses that cheapen Jesus, throwing out the rank of prophets; like the satan sending him all over the wilderness to preach to who, is still a mystery, and the temptations. In this case one will be forced to ask; where was the Sender of servant Jesus while all these are happening to him? All is always in control while your gods are not, and one was even tormented.
Story. When he didnt get ransom from prisoners what did he do? spared them or killed them?[/Quote]You tell me, since I know what he did was from Allah and it is justified.




[Quote]Quote from: nopuqeater on September 23, 2010, 10:21 PM
Even if they are false, you will use them for sure.
All the evil mohammad did is there anyone u have refuted thus far? If theres none it only shows that they are all true[/Quote]Read my responses, above.




[Quote]« #173 on: Yesterday at 07:12:01 PM »
Quote from: nopuqeater on Yesterday at 11:33:30 AM
Allah says conversation with disbelievers 'you two, etc', should be with wisdom and patience/softness. the softness part am learning. May Allah give me high level of it. Amin.
But in one of your post above u said we aren't disbelievers no?[/Quote]You are always a disbeliever.




[Quote]Quote from: nopuqeater on Yesterday at 11:33:30 AM
Above i employed 'wisdom' call the loose bowel mouthed Toba, just like you gangsta rap jcross19, that he shoul turn to his Bible and he will find worse behaviors. each of them will come from noble men; Moses, David are good examples here.

U have exhibited ignorance all through[/Quote]David you said went up on a tower to look at naked women bathing. And snatched what he saw making her husband die on the Battle. Tell which Muslim did Muhammad get killed in war intentionally so that he marry his widow?




[Quote]Quote from: nopuqeater on Yesterday at 11:33:30 AM
for a man like toba who has no personal shame, what is it that i can say to him that will sink into his already clogged needing a heavy duty plunger heart.
I dont need to here anything from followers of Islam/Mohammad, whose hearts are filled with evil and terrorism[/Quote]Ni Ile Yoruba, won aa ni eniyen ko ni iti ju. You are that eniyen.





[Quote]Quote from: nopuqeater on Yesterday at 11:33:30 AM
If I use te Quran, only one verse is enough; Allah says to Muhammad: you will have example of your Quality in the past Messengers and prophets.

So Muhammad is clearly a Hanifan like Ibrahim (AS). A first and only to mankind, like Adam (AS) is the first and only to start mankind. Like Moses in greater parts. Like Jesus, the last for the children of israel, Muhammmad (AS) last. Period.

So when you look at all of this, only a deviant, like you people will have anything to say against him. Hopefully we can stay on topic when we state our views.

But Adam didnt kill any body like mohammad, he didnt marry a 9yr old neither did he go to war with anyone.[/Quote]WHo should Adam kill; being the father of a handfull of people, all of them his children? Who shoud Adam marry, when all of the women were his daugthers for his sons as brides? The sons and daughters he sired with Eve. Please give the answers on Aishah which I asked, above.






[Quote]I will tell u never to compare mohammad with jesus again. se u here?[/Quote]Is that Oyinbo or Yoruba or combination? You even bad at the language of Ibile, a place you live even now. The leader deserves who they lead. SO Jesus led Judas Iscariot who betrayed him. Jesus led Thomas who doubted him. Jesus led Peter the rock who denied him many times. Who did Muhammad (AS) lead again and what were their commitment to the cause, even though as jesus said of his disciples "You of little faith, lacking in understanding. How long am I going to remain with you, you hypocrites?"
Go learn about the people who surronded the Prophet; Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali bin Abi Talib, to make a few. The Bilal bin rabbah who when he made Ahdhan, he wil see the messenger and in full authority say "Ashadu annaa Muhammadanr Rasulullah". Thats quality. And he was an African. Was any of the associates of Jesus that assured? Tell me which one, for sure, you are sure?





[Quote]« #174 on: Yesterday at 07:17:27 PM »

meanwhile, the thread continues to grow


Part 3 of some of my other atrocities


3) Assasination of poets who criticised Mohammed's murderous ways
Date: Late March-April, 623 A.D
Place: Medinah
Victims: Two of the most famous poets of Medinah, who had the courage to criticise the murderous actions of Mohammed and his gang


Take a look at what the guy walking is holding in preparation for massacre




After the battle of Badr, the people of Medinah were horrified that they had given refuge to such a blatant criminal and his followers in their city. Many began protesting the presence of such violent and murderous people in their city. In a free society like Pre-Islamic Arabia, the poets acted as society's conscience and were free to criticise, satirize and examine the actions of people. The two most famous poets of this kind were Abu 'Afak; an extremely old and respected poet and Asma bint Marwan; a young mother with the gift of superb verse.

Muhammad was enraged at their criticism. When he heard the verses composed by Asma Bint Marwan he was infuriated and screamed aloud, "Will no one rid me of this daughter of Marwan!" That very night a gang of Muslims set out to do the dirty deed. They broke into the poets' house. She was lying in in her bedroom suckling her newborn child, while her other small children slept nearby. The Muslims tore the newborn infant off her bosom and hacked it to pieces before her very eyes. They then made her watch the murder of all four of her children, before despoiling and then stabbing her repeatedly to death. After the murder when the Muslims went to inform the Prophet, he said "You have done a service to Allah and his Messenger, her life was not worth even two goats!"

A month later the distinguished and highly respected Abu Afak, who was over a hundred years old and reknowned for his sense of fairness, was killed brutally in the same manner as he slept. Once again the Prophet had commented that morning "Who will avenge me on this scoundrel!"

This shows us exactly how much the tolerant and peace loving Prophet respected life. Muslims claim that Mohammed was extremely gentle and loved children. Indeed the horrifying way he had Asma Bint Marwan's five infants slaughtered certainly attests to this "loving" side of the Prophet.[/Quote]I can assure you that they were not killed based on the poetry. Even the Quran has a chapter titled "The Poet; Shuarah" When ou wager then I will give you the other side.[/quote]

Ishaq:587
"Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace."

Nopuquiter

I guess there are some denials and tongue twisting to be done here.

@The Clown: « #177 on: Today at 08:45:45 PM »
[Quote]Ishaq:587[/Quote]Oh. Its not Bukhari or Muslim. Even then, if they differ from Quran, they will be daifa (Weak, none existence)


[Quote]
"Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains.[/Quote]All of these especial destroying ancient holdings and newly gotten gains, tell me which verse of the Quran with its authentic hadith that support what "historian Ishaq" wrote? Please show it. Dont be shy. If you think this is OT of the Bible, then you have another thing coming.



[Quote]We have mutilated every opponent.[/Quote]The battle of Huud opposes this. So i say its a make up, because it opposes the reality of islam.



[Quote]We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam.[/Quote]This is exacty like the above, since in the battle of Huud, muslims lost. Now islam does not command. It is Allah Who commands. Hence, the historians are at it again. islam is a religion (deen), a way (Sirat) ordained by Allah. Islam cant command. Allah does. And he is the Only True Commander.



[Quote]We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace."[/Quote]This is like a poem, or a song, or something. But in the Quran there are many verses that permits people to not all be muslims. Even in Madina, in the lifetime of the noblest of the nobles, Muhammad bin Abdallah, there were non muslims in madina, an dindeed the whole of arabia.



[Quoote]Nopuquiter

I guess there are some denials and tongue twisting to be done here.[quote][/Quote]You need to answer my questions. Open your eyes before you plunge yourself into them.

Let me respond to the trash posted by nopuqeater

nopuqeater:

@Toba: « #171 on: Yesterday at 06:11:56 PM »The bold is very telling about your mindset. Especially that fact that you ignored the complete read, but cherry pick a verse that may not be addressing you at that time. Am sure if you read the verse saying that the Arabs are clearly disbelievers and hypocrites, in Surah Taubah, you will just talk about the kufr and hypocrisy parts, not looking at what follows which calibrated the Believers away from the disbelievers and hypocrites.

The above just shows u have a very poor mentality. What is the title of this thread? waht was the vesrse 5 of the quran chapter talking about? If u are a reasonable person u would realize that i never touched any chapter of the unholy book called quran if it doesnt relate to the subject. The verse 5 speaks about part of the evil of islam that should be meted on those that dont share ur view no? Since the subject verse 5 addresses whats been discussed here, i think im in order with my insistence on u interpreting it which u have ended up confusing ur self in trying to do so. It shows u have a poor reasoning mentality.

nopuqeater:

No wonder you saw jesus saying am a servant and you insist that he is God!

I said above u have a poor reasoning with this u ve just exhibited it. Jesus being God or not being God has any relation with islam and terrorism?

nopuqeater:

If you wanna say you are at the epicenter of that verse, be my guest.

Yes i wanna say so

nopuqeater:

There used to be a time that the Children of Isreal were believers. When you take the Egyptians sid by side with them. Then after the cross the Sea, in the absence of Moses, the built a Yahweh of Gold. They were disbelievers at this time. Am using your Bible to lecture you now. This mistake earned them 40 years instead ot 40 days, the initial plan of Yahweh. When they meet the jebusites, they were believers and the Jebusites were disbelievers. When they killed the people of Jericho, they were killing disbelievers, too.

I dont really think u know the meaning of believer and unbelivers. U are really confused about the word. I will need to educate u as regards that. See below

nopuqeater:

When Jesus came, he was gathering the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Who are these sheep? Real sheep? Of course not. They were humans, who deviated from Torah, for whatever they deviated with. They started or laced it up with talmud, etc. Under jesus, the disciples were belivers, versus those who refused him. Then Paul came up and brought his own type of "Talmud", like the liar Jews who brought real talmud to the jews.

Ur reasoning is still very poor. So what did Jesus do to them, especially those that persecuted him? killed them or beg for their forgiveness? Try to relate that to the act of ur mohammad especially as it concerns the verse 5

nopuqeater:

From among muslims, we have disbelievers. These people should be like you, not being muslims at all. But they hid their disbelief. Hence they are called hypocrites. Hypocrites and disbellievers (like you, Toba) are all fuel of hellfire, if you die on the path you are on right now.

Islam havent done well to u at all. It has made u to go gaga completely. U call my a disbeliver on what basis mr slowpoke? I am a believer in Jesus now what does ur quran say about the followers of Christ? lets see

In strong contrast to this, please note carefully the words of the Quran in Sura 3:55 (Al-Imran) - "Allah said, Isa (Jesus), I am about to cause your term on earth to end and lift you up to Me. I shall take you away from those who disbelieve and exalt your followers above them till the Day of Resurrection." God says that the followers of Jesus will be exalted until the Day of Resurrection! Has that day come yet? NO. Therefore, Jesus is worthy of being followed and his followers are honored by God just as Jesus is. HALLELUJAH - PRAISE BE TO HIS HOLY NAME! If you are a true follower of Jesus Christ according to His Holy teachings, then you have full assurance of salvation in the last day (Romans 8:1).
What do u now have to say about being an unbeliever? I told ur mentality is very very poor. U would still consider me as unbeliever?

nopuqeater:

Avery non muslim is always going to be a disbeliever.

Says who? But u just said above that some Muslims are also non believers how come with this? shake my head at ur ignorance that has no bound

nopuqeater:

You are not on the Siratal Mustaquim. You are a disbeliever, always until you become muslim.

U would do well to define what an unbeliever means in relation to the description give in ur quran

nopuqeater:

While the Missionary atrocities is on camera, you you say of Muhammad (AS) is at least if happened the way you said it, is self defense, wanting their makkan property in monetary value back. If it did not happen as you said it, then you are a lair. Moses fought, while no one ran him out and took his properties. You will not blame the children of israel.

Na wah u are still wallowing in ignorance. Will self defense also permit u to ra.pe, and rob pple that didnt do that to u?

Did moses do 50% of the evil done by mohammad like robbing pple and collecting ransom?

nopuqeater:

I know the story more than the half baked you told above. It is in the Quran; The Caravan escaped, because Allah did not want the Muslims to get it, but to entice the Makkans to fight, so that the muslims can engage in fight for the very first time, in the 15 years of Islam. I know you have no knowledge. The Makkans hearing the tale of the muslims attempt wanted to show them that they are not worthy, just like Goliat thought prophet David was. Then Allah defeated the overwhelming forces.

Ok its allah that told mohammad to fight in the holy month too abi? Yet muslims were told not to fight in sacred month no?

nopuqeater:

I didnt quite get your point. I compare people that you have their character/quality with you. You are a Kufar. So I compare your spirituality like that, wit disbelievers like you. Compare me to ay of th noble men of islam, I will be happy to be in their company; ALi, Uthman, Umar, Abu Bakr, etc and the Messenger (AS). Why are you running away from paul and co? And what you say of your personal life, I talk about it. Your ease in forgiving when you have been rubbished so much. letting your fiance become practicing trampoline. Why do you have a girlfriend, when you are commanded to marry? Alagbere.

Out of my self and mohammad who is Alagbere(adulterous)? Me im not married but mohammad was already married before he began to r.ap.e and took the wife of his adopted son no? What sense are u passing here? If u loved to be compared with mohammad, why dont u go and marry a 9yr old just like? why dont u go to war just like him? why dont u take ransom just like him? If u failed to carry a bomb to destroy the neighbourhood of christian(unbeliever according to u) then u are an hypocrite and a bad follower of mohammad. U can still marry ur under aged daughter out its never too late

nopuqeater:

The same justification that Moses had to kill the jebusite. No. Muhammad(SAS) had a better quality of justification. They betray the trust and also they were Kufar. Moses had the Kufar justification and nothing more. But when Yahweh does it, its no problem. But Yahweh was jesus; no? SO it was jesus who was doing it under the guise that he was Yahweh.

Senseless tactics as usual. Is there any relation to this subject on Jesus and Moses?

nopuqeater:

I brought the potential doormat to the topic, because if your heart is this illogical, no wonder you will let everyone do stationary bicycle on her. Your mind is very wowo.

Another senseless digression. Is this related to the evils committed by ur criminal prophet?

nopuqeater:

Makkan were forgiven. SO was taif. So was the jewish woman in Madina with the poison meat. It there was no permission to forgive, Allah would have said no. Just like He said no to the captives of Badr. You are the one who brought the topic, yesterday and you didnt see possibility of forgiveness on them, a thing that must have been there all along, until Allah says that these people are of special cae. In America, they say special circumstances.

OMG but u said mohammad was sent to the Jews as their messiah how come he hated them with passion up till the time he was going lifeless yet he placed a curse on them?

nopuqeater:

With less reason or no reason at all, Moses wasted a city.

And mohammad wasted cities no? so who is worst?

nopuqeater:

2 World wars. You live n Nigeria; Gowon and Ojukwu. All of these were on the backs of Christianity and Christians.

Is war related to terrorism?

nopuqeater:

Where do live, now, Toba? You are talking out of knowledge. The commander who is in the trenches with the soldier, [/b]is a morale booster than t[b]he one who is in the bunker hiding. t[b]he one who talks from the headquarters[/b] is better than the one who is never heard or seen. You lack understanding. Ooto. talking to you is like talking to a wall. No a tree. The jews talk to wall; the wailing wall.

Which on does mohammad fit into?

nopuqeater:

Every american president says "The buck stops with me". I am responsible. Thats what they say. WHo sends the generals and the troops to war? The President, telling the Secretary of Defense to do it, while all the National Security council members argue and the outcome is where the President leans. Jesoul, talk to this man for me, because he is no naive, I feel like crying for his ignorance. And he will raise a child, some day. Subhannallah.

U should cry for ur self and the ignorance u are displaying here. Has any American President led any war by physically carrying weapons to kill in war front like mohammad did?

nopuqeater:

Yet he said "of my own power, I can do nothing". Who is the liar; you or who?

I have educated u on this previously, but ur lack of understand is really alarming. take it again

If Jesus had said that, its part of the greatest humility he has. Now lets see how powerful Jesus is PHILIPPIANS 2

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;
11 And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

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COLOSSIANS 1

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell;


your islamic quran also says this about jesus

When the angels said, 'O Mary, ALLAH gives thee glad tidings of a son through a word from HIM; his name shall be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, honoured in this world and in the next, and of those who are granted nearness to God;

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Sura 3:45 (Al-Imran) - "The angels said to Mariam (Mary): 'Allah bids you rejoice in a Word from Him. His name is al-Masih (Messiah), Isa the son of Mariam. He shall be noble in this world and in the next, and shall be favored by Allah.'"

When the angel appeared to Mary to announce the birth of Jesus, he said in Sura 19:19 (Mariam) - "'I am the messenger of your Lord,' he replied, 'and have come to give you a holy son.'"

Notice that Jesus is called a holy son, this means without fault or sin.

Stop saying nonsense. Jesus is powerful

nopuqeater:

Tell us what they were. Then while you are it; who was that prophet? Who was the another Comforter? Who was the other before the another comforter?

Keep deluding ur self. Im sure theres a thread on the above subject im ready to be ur guest in order to help take away ur ignorance. meanwhile back to islam and terrorism

nopuqeater:

They could demand ransom. It could be money. It could be anything because they were in control, thats why. Why did the slave masters make Kunta Kinte became Toby? he was the man in control. The Spanish christians in their inquisition told the muslims and Jews to become christians or be killed. Jesus couldnt redeem himself. Please let me lay off an innocent man, before you think am beliitling him. You already did by making up story about him. And those Nigerian kidnappers are Muslims or the beheaders are muslims, too?

Since u have been comparing moses with mo since where did moses demand ransom

nopuqeater:

Yes. Dead bodies can hear. Many muslims have been washed and shrouded and their faces changed to happiness. Well, it is nothing you will ever experience, since you have to wear suit as if you are going to a party (hell party), and wear make up to give impression that you are still fresh, while inside its all rot.

Can u give me empirical proof?

nopuqeater:

If he boasted, his was better, far better than jesus who said he was a slave and then boasted he was God Himself!

Yes mohammad was better than Jesus in terms of killings, wars fornication, adultery, robbing and other evil atrocities. But he admitted Jesus' superiority

Jesus Christ is pronounced holy and sinless in Islam, but the Prophet Muhammed often confessed his sins - Suras 40:55; 47:19; 48:2. Listen to Muhammed's own confession in Sum 46:9 (Al-Ahqaf) - "Say, I am no prodigy (marvel or special one) among the apostles; nor do I know what will he done with me or you. I follow only what is revealed to me, and my only duty is to give plain warning." Prophet Muhammed confessed his own inability to know the end of his work or to know the fate of his followers.

nopuqeater:

Let me answer by what I know about the Prophet (S). In Madina, a Jewish funeral proceeding was passing when the prophet (AS) and come companions were together (RA). He stop, stood up until the funeral proceeding passed through before he resumed what he was doing. When the companions who of course follwed his lead asked why he did what he did, his reply was [b]that you pity the soul that was lost. [/b]By the way he was a full commander at that time and if he was what you said at badr, then we asked, what made him do what he dis for a Jew, instead of pitying an arab, his clansman, Abu Jahl? You see, you dont think. You are very emotional and very wild in your manner.

See ur life? when the head of a dead body was cut off in his presence where was his pity for the dead? When he wipe out a whole city where was his pity? This is absolutely senseless guy

nopuqeater:

Read the above and read my yesterday post on the matter. I am certain thathe will not touch the body of disbeliever, and will command the muslims not to touch them, too. The pit here is hell. Are you ready for you pit, if you do not change, because in it you will meet Abu jahl, Firawn, Hitler, etc. According to you a companion of jesus; Judas iscariot.

Just keep shut. Did he ordered the cutting of the head?

nopuqeater:

Did you ever hear that any of the prophets was so much revered and trusted for his words and convictions? Let talk about Jesus; The thief on the left, did he offered to jesus a trust similar to what the makkan asked of the noble messenger? Did Judas Iscariot did something similar, who knew him and died even before jesus was tried? Why didnt they? They knew the true natures of these noble men. Muhammad (AS), in the heat of the makkan hatred will bring their most cherished possessions for him to safekeep it ofr them. This was the reason Ali bin AbiTalib for the "Bayt" (RA) remained behind during the Hirj to Madina. is there an enemy so trusted in human history? Never. Muhammad was the first and the only. And it will never be a noble soul like him. Ever.

Just keep shut. Mohammad was filled with hatred all his life see He beheaded the men and the pubescent boys and enslaved the women and children. In doing this, he wiped an entire tribe "off the map" to use the language of the President of Iran, recently. The larger background of his atrocities against the Jews reveals that Muhammad had already expelled two tribes of Jews: the Qaynuqa in AD 624 and the Nadir in AD 625.

nopuqeater:

I will tell you sincew you asked. Now did the thief on the left offend Jesus? If so what was his offense? Just because he didnt recognized him as christ, is that the offense? But paul didnt recognize him and never heard his voice, until he said, suddenly that was christ talking to me. You see Paul's lies and gimmicks. Let us go back to the thief on the left. Is not knowing Jesus was being hung like him, a common thief enough for Jesus to assume he needed to forgive this man? Did man didnt in actuality effended him. The man we may say offended Jesus was Judas Iscariot. But then, Jesus already said he will be the person, so he just followed order, based on what Jesus said. His heart was already locked on the task. Did Jesus forgive his emissary Judas Iscariot? No. And if you have a verse that says otherwise, show it because the guy died of the same thing; hanging. What now is the quality of Jesus in the department of forgiveness? Zero. What is the Quality of Muhammad in the forgiveness department? Lets go to the jewish lady who poisoned him. When those who ate the food were dying like flies, the Prophet (AS) said they shoud bring the woman. He asked her why did you poison the meat? She said if you are a prophet it will not hurt (right there, so people can know and I can know), if you are not, I am eager to get rid of an fake.
The prophet said they should let her go, because her reason was sincere. And about the people of Taif, before they became muslims, you should read it on your own. Same with the victory over Makka. Then under Umar, see what he did with the people of jerusalem. Do some reading.

This is laughable. In a bid to digress, never it wouldnt work . I have told never to compare jesus with mohammad but u wouldnt listen. With the evil mohammad recked on pple u still say hes forgiven? U are just deceiving ur self as usual

in Jesus, we find the central role model put forth by Christianity. He was, by all standards, a pacifist. In his Sermon on the Mount, Jesus put forth several concepts that have become central to Christianity. One of these concepts was the notion of turning the other cheek when someone hit you. Jesus preached the idea of non-violence. "Love your enemy." Another important teaching of Jesus was that of forgiveness. During his crucifixion by the Romans, Jesus not once put up a struggle. In fact, as he hung dying, he pleaded, "forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do."

The central role model of Christianity was a figure that epitomized non-violence and forgiveness. He was also one who embraced all forms of outcasts. Jesus blessed the lepers that were shunned by society. It is thus that his story provides the Christian follower with a role model figure to emulate. The effect of Jesus as a central role model on Judeo-Christian based Western societies is undeniable. His teachings have set forth an atmosphere of tolerance and forgiveness

Nopuqeater what about ur mohammad? lets see
The central role model offered by Islam is a less pacifistic one. Muhammad was by many standards quite a militant individual. Spending much of his life fighting against the "infidels," Muhammad offers the Muslim a less forgiving role model. We can find an example of Muhammad's more militant nature in his actions shortly after one of his battles.

Upon conquering the Jewish tribe of Qurayza, Muhammad and his men found themselves in possession of a large number of prisoners. He appointed an arbiter for advice on the situation who soon suggested that the male prisoners be killed, the women and children sold as slaves, and their property to be split between him and his men. Muhammad quickly supported this suggestion calling it "a decree of God pronounced from above the Seven Heavens." It was thus that some 700-900 men from the Qurayza tribe were marched into the marketplace of Medina. A long trench and ditch was dug and as Muhammad watched on, all 700-900 men were decapitated. As the bodies of the men were buried in the ditch, their wives and children were sold into slavery. A small number of the women were given to Muhammad's friends as gifts. Muhammad took one of these women (Rayhana) as his own.

We can see that Muhammad was not only a militant individual, but was also one who at times was very cruel. To sanction the beheading of over 700 prisoners of war in one day alone is almost unheard of. His actions certainly showed little sign of forgiveness, little disdain towards violence and the use of force, and little regard for the rights of women.

We can easily see the effect of such a role model in the Middle East, where Islam is the predominant religion. With Muhammad's unforgiving, and sometimes cruel, nature, it comes as no surprise that the justice system of the Middle East is also unforgiving and sometimes cruel. The Saudi Arabian government recently beheaded one of their princes for the minor crime of adultery. It is not unheard of to find examples of young children getting their hand and foot cut off for the minor crime of stealing some food. The notion of treating others as you would like to be treated is one that is not common in Muslim dominated cultures, neither is the notion of forgiveness one that is embraced in the Middle East.

nopuqeater:

Whatever. Listen to David under King Saul when David faced Goliat.

What happened there

nopuqeater:

If i marry a woman who was engaged to another man before I came along, should anyone thing that she was not matured enough for a husband? What was the lack of complain in her first engamement, but you are complaining now that she is married for the first time? Are you not being unjust here? When was Aishah (RA) born, as related to her father becoming a muslims? Before or after, since he bacame a muslim in the very first year? If she was born before then, she would at least be 13 years old before Hijr. If she was not, then she would have been some who were born into Islamic family. There is no record to show that she was born after her father became a muslim, because her mother was divorced from her father because of his conversion to Islam. So how was a woman who was a Kufar, and not married to Abu Bakr going to have a baby for him, when he was already a muslim in the first year, and was ready to leave for Abyssinia, in the first wave of the little Hijr there? In that effort he went to the family of the future husband to take Aishah of his hand. It was then they dissolved the engamenet. So tell me how is a wife to young for her husband, especially in the light of the above?

I asked u a very simple question when u compared mohammad with some great prophet. Instead of answering u posted the above trash why?
Here it is again
'Are they related to mohammad? Did anyone among them married a 9yr old and took the wife of his adopted son?'

nopuqeater:

Just in case you and your fiancee are captives in Lagos, I will not want eith for my share. She has been driven more that the most common car, as per your willingness to forgive and dont mind her situation of less than honorable. And you. I hope you are not a switch hitter, since you said you are a Bride of Jesus?

Is there any relevance of this to this thread? I told u that u are illogical u didnt believe can u now see for ur self?

nopuqeater:

You tell me, since I know what he did was from Allah and it is justified.

Allah told him to marry aisha at age 9? allah told him to marry a widow older than him? Allah told him to curse the jews? Allah told him to rob pple as well?

nopuqeater:

Read my responses, above.

And what is the senseless and meaningless response u gave above and its relevance to the subject being discussed?

nopuqeater:

You are always a disbeliever.

I have told u to go learn the meaning of a disbeliever. U seem not to know the meaning and just like to use. U will have to prove to me why a christian is a disbeliever as against what ur quran said about the followers of jesus

nopuqeater:

David you said went up on a tower to look at unclothed women bathing. And snatched what he saw making her husband die on the Battle. Tell which Muslim did Muhammad get killed in war intentionally so that he marry his widow?

What was the punish david got for this?

nopuqeater:

Ni Ile Yoruba, won aa ni eniyen ko ni iti ju. You are that eniyen.

Any relevance of this to the thread or better still its ur mohammad thats shameless for all the atrocities he committed

nopuqeater:

WHo should Adam kill; being the father of a handfull of people, all of them his children? Who shoud Adam marry, when all of the women were his daugthers for his sons as brides? The sons and daughters he sired with Eve. Please give the answers on Aishah which I asked, above.

At least cain killed Abel, if he were mohammad he could have killed Cain no? Remember Mohammad was bloodthirsty

nopuqeater:


Go learn about the people who surronded the Prophet; Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali bin Abi Talib, to make a few. The Bilal bin rabbah who when he made Ahdhan, he wil see the messenger and in full authority say "Ashadu annaa Muhammadanr Rasulullah". Thats quality. And he was an African. Was any of the associates of Jesus that assured? Tell me which one, for sure, you are sure?

The pple who surrounded him were evil doers just like him no?

nopuqeater:

I can assure you that they were[b] not killed based on the poetry[/b]. Even the Quran has a chapter titled "The Poet; Shuarah" When ou wager then I will give you the other side.

Thk God u admitted they were killed by the blood thirsty mohammad. Tell how ere they killed?

In continuation, Nopuqeater, u admitted they were kill so how

Part 3 of some of Mohammad's other atrocities


3) Assasination of poets who criticised Mohammed's murderous ways
Date: Late March-April, 623 A.D
Place: Medinah
Victims: Two of the most famous poets of Medinah, who had the courage to criticise the murderous actions of Mohammed and his gang


Take a look at what the guy walking is holding in preparation for massacre




After the battle of Badr, the people of Medinah were horrified that they had given refuge to such a blatant criminal and his followers in their city. Many began protesting the presence of such violent and murderous people in their city. In a free society like Pre-Islamic Arabia, the poets acted as society's conscience and were free to criticise, satirize and examine the actions of people. The two most famous poets of this kind were Abu 'Afak; an extremely old and respected poet and Asma bint Marwan; a young mother with the gift of superb verse.

Muhammad was enraged at their criticism. When he heard the verses composed by Asma Bint Marwan he was infuriated and screamed aloud, "Will no one rid me of this daughter of Marwan!" That very night a gang of Muslims set out to do the dirty deed. They broke into the poets' house. She was lying in in her bedroom suckling her newborn child, while her other small children slept nearby. The Muslims tore the newborn infant off her bosom and hacked it to pieces before her very eyes. They then made her watch the murder of all four of her children, before despoiling and then stabbing her repeatedly to death. After the murder when the Muslims went to inform the Prophet, he said "You have done a service to Allah and his Messenger, her life was not worth even two goats!"

A month later the distinguished and highly respected Abu Afak, who was over a hundred years old and reknowned for his sense of fairness, was killed brutally in the same manner as he slept. Once again the Prophet had commented that morning "Who will avenge me on this scoundrel!"

This shows us exactly how much the tolerant and peace loving Prophet respected life. Muslims claim that Mohammed was extremely gentle and loved children. Indeed the horrifying way he had Asma Bint Marwan's five infants slaughtered certainly attests to this "loving" side of the Prophet.

Part 4 of some my other atrocities

4) The Siege of the Banu Qaynuqa
Date: April, 623 A.D
Place: Medinah
Victims: The Jewish Tribe of Banu Qaynuqa

In order to get full control of Medinah, Mohammed needed to get rid of all his opponents. The strongest of these opponents was Abdallah Ibn Ubayy, a powerful chief who was allied with the Jewish Tribe of Banu Qaynuqa. This tribe was also the weakest, because they were made up of craftsmen, in particular goldsmiths. By attacking them, Mohammed knew he could plunder a huge amount of wealth and weaken Ibn Ubayy. Mohammed needed an excuse to attack them so he made a girl married to one of his followers, pretend that she had been teased by the Jews. The Muslims blockaded the fort of the Banu Qaynuqa for fifteen days until the starving Jews surrendered. Immediately, the Prophet was ready to kill them all, but Ibn Ubayy seized hold of Mohammed and protested. Mohammed's face became black with rage as he shouted "Let go of me", but Ibn Ubayy was adamant and shouted back "No, by God, I will not let you go until you deal kindly with my allies. 400 men without armour and 300 with, who have always supported me against enemies. And you want to slay them all in one morning! By God, If I were in your place I would fear a reversal of fortune"

At this threat, the cowardly Mohammed turned pale, as he realised that all the people of Medinah were against him. He hit Ibn Ubayy on the face and ordered that the Jews be kicked out of their own homes. All their property was seized and looted, many of the prettiest women were taken as prisoners to become sex-slaves. Mohammed kept one-fifths of the enormous booty for himself. This is the way he repayed the kindness of the Jews of Medina, who had given him shelter and a refuge, when Mohammed had run away from Mecca in fear.

The revelations in the Eighth Sura of the Koran were clearly in reference to the Banu Qaynuqa and anyone who opposed the Muslims.

(Koran 8:55-57)
"Lo, the worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the ungrateful who will not believe."

"Those of them with whom you made a treaty and then at every opportunity they break their treaty and they keep not duty to Allah, If you come on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, so that they may remember."

Here Mohammed's acts of planned terrorism against the Jewish Tribe is justified by Allah, because according to the "Merciful" Allah, Non-Muslims are the worst of BEASTS! So it is perfectly all right to murder, rape, torture and pillage the non-believers! Not only that but Allah is advising Mohammed and the Muslims that when anyone protests against the injustices committed by Muslims, the Muslims should make sure and deal with them with such violence, that it will strike fear among anyone who may think of supporting dissent. This proves that the Koran is nothing but a political manual for controlling people with terror. Not even the fascist armies of Hitler engineered such devilish ideas.

The above are just a few of the incidents that demonstrate the intolerant and merciless nature of the inhuman acts committed by Mohammed and the Muslims. Further articles in this series will reveal more of Prophet Mohammed's heinous, sadistic and cruel crimes against humanity.

The Clown:

Qur'an:7:3

"Little do you remember My warning. How many towns have We destroyed as a raid by night? Our punishment took them suddenly while they slept for their afternoon rest. [b]Our terror [/b]came to them; Our punishment overtook them.

waooo this pple are wicked

^^^As a "Raid by Night", reminds me of what Yahweh Jesus or Eloi did with the first born of Egyptians. Even their animals lost first borns. Let me remind you Toba; Passover, before Exodus out of Egypt. It happened at night. It would have been better if human raided them, than the Angel of God.


Allah says in Surah Kahf: A person who is arrogant about the harvest he expect the following morning, thereby putting his nose in the sky, refusing to look at anyone less than him.


Allah says He made the field of crops as if it al stalks or shaft with nothing to harvest in the morning, only by letting horrible wind pass through it.

I havent started with u guys at all. This is part 4 of 50parts on islam&terrorism. In a short while, i will debunk ur claim on mohammad being mentioned in the bible

^^^^^ am waiting. but of course, you ignored what i wrote about Yahweh or maybe Jehovah Jesus, above. You are now playing possum, because i reminded you of what you wish to forget about Yahweh and or Jehovah Jesus.

You see when you say Jesus is god, all that the three gods did can be heaped on him. You know that. Right?

Edit

The trinity concept has eluded u. God the father, God the son&God the holy spirit are in control to date.

@toba

Dear Beloved toba, so much!much!! much!!! have been said by you,very insightful! , please in the name of our Lord Jesus,please be careful of these people oh!
they will try to get you,but i know in the name of Jesus no weapon fashion against you shall prosper,i have these to say to you knowing fullly well of these people and this their beliefs,they will try at any length to get at you,forget about what some of them are saying that islam is not terrorism ,that thing is in them , my grandmother is a muslim(though am praying for her to get born-again) so i know what am saying ,avoid any contact with anybody from nairaland these people might plot against you ,it could be from another thread even if it is buying and selling with anybody from nairaland please run!they could plan for you.

Godbless you!

bomata:

@toba

Dear Beloved toba, so much!much!! much!!! have been said by you,very insightful! , please in the name of our Lord Jesus,please be careful of these people oh!
they will try to get you,but[b] i know in the name of Jesus no weapon fashion against you shall prosper,[/b]i have these to say to you knowing fullly well of these people and this their beliefs,they will try at any length to get at you,forget about what some of them are saying that islam is not terrorism ,that thing is in them , my grandmother is a muslim(though am praying for her to get born-again) so i know what am saying ,avoid any contact with anybody from nairaland these people might plot against you ,it could be from another thread even if it is buying and selling with anybody from nairaland please run!they could plan for you.

Godbless you!

Thank you. Well i have done dealings with many pple on NL this year alone. We transacted property business in Lekki as well buying things from other NL members outside Lagos. Waht i know is that some pple might be funny online but in real life situation they are gentle. Anyway at thy word, i would be watchful.

Nopuqeater and vedaxcool are the two pple that might want to be funny, but since Nopuqeater is in America he cant get me easily lol

But as for vedaxcool, if he tries anything, i will report him to Civil defense corp lol

Thanks God bless u too