sukkot:
lmao you no see as she avoid the question ? she know i am about to bring that hammer down on her head lmao.

analice107:

You tilt towards Astrology yet you quote the Bible. Where is their meeting point?

sukkot:
yeah I am very familiar with Qabala. I myself take a different approach to the tree of life. my approach hinges on this verse

mark 8 vs 24 I see men as trees, walking.
<<<< AND YOU LOOK AT THE QUALITY OF EACH TREE AND APPLY IT TO THE MAN WHO IS BEING COMPARED TO THE TREE. LIKE WHEN THE BIBLE SPEAKS OF THE CEDARS OF LEBANON. WELL THE CEDAR TREE LIVES TO LIKE 1000 YEARS. THAT IS THE METHUSELLAH TREE

sukkot:
lmao you no see as she avoid the question ? she know i am about to bring that hammer down on her head lmao.

Sarassin:


Interesting allegory, I see that you take a modernist approach in linking the ‘tree of life’ to the NT, I take a more traditional stance that it is rooted in Qabala.

Rambam considered the problem that "man was created in the image and likeness of God." But that Adam's disobedience to the command of God procured him that great perfection which is the peculiarity of man, i.e the power of distinguishing between good and evil which are the essential characteristic of the human race. It therefore seems strange that the punishment for rebelliousness should be the means of elevating man to a pinnacle of perfection to which he had not attained previously.

The mystery goes far deeper but we do not wish to upset anybody so I will leave it there for now.

sukkot:

GENESIS 1 VS 14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: <<ASTROLOGY

Chubhie:

Don't scare her.We all learn everyday.Hopefully, she comes with an open mind.

sukkot:
lmao you no see as she avoid the question ? she know i am about to bring that hammer down on her head lmao.

onyenze123:

analice107 be open minded for once Na. kai
Kwakwakwakwakwa

sukkot:
mind if i ask you a question. are you aware that the original king james version 1611 contained the apocryphal books like wisdom of solomon and the maccabees etc etc ?

Chubhie:
Is astrology alien to the bible?

butterflylion:


Sukkot I do understand you are trying to see the Bible from your angle just like someone who is a conspiracy theorist. All he sees are conspiracy theories everywhere even where there are none.

Divination was common among the pagan peoples of the Bible lands. When the Israelites were about to enter the Promised Land of Canaan, God warned them not to practice astrology.

In Deuteronomy 18:9, 12 & 14, "Do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there… The nations you will dispossess listen to those who practice sorcery or divination. But as for you, the Lord your God has not permitted you to do so… Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord."

Divination is actually regarded to be a grave sin. Declares 1 Samuel 15:23 , "Rebellion is like the sin of divination, and arrogance like the evil of idolatry."

Simply because God made the stars and sun for signs and times does not mean and did not say he wants it to be used for the purpose of divination because that is simply what astrology is. It is divination.

Astrology is the “interpretation” of an assumed influence the stars (and planets) exert on human destiny. This is a false belief.

The royal astrologers of the Babylonian court were put to shame by God’s prophet Daniel (Daniel 1:20) and were powerless to interpret the king’s dream (Daniel 2:27). God specifies astrologers as among those who will be burned as stubble in God’s judgment (Isaiah 47:13-14). Astrology as a form of divination is expressly forbidden in Scripture (Deuteronomy 18:10-14). God forbade the children of Israel to worship or serve the “host of heaven” (Deuteronomy 4:19). Several times in their history, however, Israel fell into that very sin (2 Kings 17:16 is one example). Their worship of the stars brought God’s judgment each time.


So you see, you are dabbling into the same thing you speak against (in a way)

analice107:

I have the Bible with all of those other books. What about them?

sukkot:
and that ( the bolded ) is exactly what i do not practice. i simply use astrology as the clock of the universe. anyone who tells you they can predict how your day will go or who you will be compatible with using astrology is talking crap. it simply is the universal clock. its for times and seasons as described in genesis 1 vs 14

GENESIS 1 VS 14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: <<< FOR SIGNS AND SEASONS.

your destiny is set from birth before you were even born. nothing can change it

butterflylion:


But you used astrology to attempt predicting the return of Obama, etc

Was that also the clock of the universe? The stars are meant for signs and seasons (weather and dates) . Anyone attaching any other value to them is simply giving them false importance which God never ascribed to them and that is idolatry .

sukkot:
i didnt use astrology to attempt to predict the return of obama. lol i dont know where you got that. the return of obama was something i predicted by reading the trends in the book of judges ( by the way there is a barak in the book of judges lol ) about the fall of empires and the trends. plus he is the 44th president. the number 44 is a number associated with changes, paradigm changes etc etc. So these are watchmen observations of world trends and goings on.

sukkot:
many people stumble on this issue you bring up because they do not understand OLD ENGLISH and how the ancients worded their english. its a very simple explanation but people have let their imagination run wild simply because they cant understand ancient english. let me break it down >>> when a man knows only good it means he is in a position of some sort of authority to where he does not encounter the bad aspects of life. all he knows is prosperity. it is the atlantean era that was described here. atlantis which existed before the ancient egyptian empire. so in atlantis it was nothing but happiness and luxury.

however to maintain this happiness and luxury they had laws they should not break. however they broke the laws and now THEY NOW KNOW BOTH GOOD AND EVIL meaning now hardship and strife and pain and suffering that they never experienced before set into atlantis and they lost their good living and atlantis sank into the ocean. SO NOW THEY KNOW WHAT BAD IS WHILE BEFORE THEY ONLY KNEW THE GOOD. so when it says your eyes will be open and you will know both good and evil its an old way of saying you will now know what suffering is, while before you only knew good. hope that makes sense

butterflylion:


Just as I said, a conspiracy theorist

However your earlier pices ascended master talk was what then?

analice107:

Just like you abi?

Sarassin:


I do not agree with you, it is from Plato in his Socratic dialogue that we learn about the disappearance of Atlantis and in any event the story was a parable of two cities.

As relates to the fall of man ergo, the Tree of life, the power to distinguish between good and evil is meant intrinsically i.e as something to be bestowed and made inherent in man. It is not a question of 'Ye Old English' the Hebrew Torah bears this out. Given that the Adam and Eve story is allegory in any case (yes I know a few fundamentalists will start screaming now) it is therefore mostly a philosophical discourse on the nature of God’s intent, Good, Evil and Intellect i.e when did man receive his intellect (after he ate the apple or initially when God spoke to him)

These matters are treated in depth in Qabala teachings.

sukkot:
conspiracy theorist ? nah i wouldnt call myself that. however this matrix we live in is steeped in conspiracies and it would take someone with an activated spirit to see all the conspiracies of this matrix. some people have eyes and can see while some are just blind and totally oblivious to everything thats going on. with regards to the ascended masters ? yes there are ascended spirits walking amongst us. not everyone you see has the same spirit. there are gods walking amongst men whether you choose to believe it or not which is why the bible tells you to always be nice to strangers because you never know if its an angel ( ascended master ) sent to test you.

hebrews 13 vs 2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares. << ASCENDED MASTERS WALKING AMONGST US DISGUISED AS HUMAN BEINGS IN HUMAN BODIES

butterflylion:


Angels are not ascended masters. They are ministering spirits sent to serve and not to be served.

sukkot:
you have to be an ascended master to be an angel. or maybe the name ' ascended master ' is throwing you off ? an ascended master is an advanced spirit that GOD communicates with directly and is GODS eye on this planet earth.

butterflylion:


No you are missing it. God communicates with HIS CHILDREN via his spirit. We are his eye on the planet for we have been given power and authority and whatever we bind on earth is so in heaven and so on....

The angels are ours to command same way Jesus could have called for legions of them when he was about to be arrested so have we been given angels to command.

We are the light of the world and the salt of the earth and not angels or ascended masters as you call them

sukkot:
but are you his children or are you in a delusion called christianity ?

mmathew 7 vs 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;

2 thessalonians 2 vs 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: << ARE YOU IN A DELUSION CALLED CHRISTIANITY ? FULL OF PASTORS WITH PRIVATE JETS AND PROMISCUOUS SINFUL CONGREGATION ?

sukkot:
i didnt use astrology to attempt to predict the return of obama. lol i dont know where you got that. the return of obama was something i predicted by reading the trends in the book of judges ( by the way there is a barak in the book of judges lol ) about the fall of empires and the trends. plus he was the 44th president. the number 44 is a number associated with changes, paradigm changes etc etc. So these are watchmen observations of world trends and goings on.

i think the name astrology has been bastardised and is throwing you off. we shall call it astro-theology

butterflylion:


Christianity is not a delusion and you need to stop misquoting scripture to meet the demand of your itching ears Sukkot.

That scripture is not about pastors or private jets and not even about Christianity. It's about those who refuse to live the life of Christ in general. They chose to believe a lie even after knowing the truth. You should have added verse 12.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Christianity is simply following the ways of Jesus. Anyone who does otherwise yet claims to be a Christian has simply known the truth but chose to do otherwise. You are simply a conspiracy theorist.

sukkot:
LOL So if it is not a delusion why have you turned it into a religion when GOD specifically told you he does not exist in churches made with human hands meaning he does not condone organized religion. the body is the temple of the holy spirit and when 3 or more are gathered there will I be.

acts 17 vs 24 The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. << GOD DOES NOT GO TO TEMPLES BUILT WITH HUMAN HANDS. MEANING ORGANIZED RELIGION IS NOT CONDONED. SO WHAT DOES GOD CONSIDER TRUE RELIGION ?

JAMES 1 VS 27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. << THIS IS THE ONLY RELIGION GOD WANTS FROM YOU

butterflylion:


Who are the "you" who turned it into a religion? Me?

sukkot:
you know ? oyedepo and oyakhilome and all the mega churches in nigeria lmao. are you not a member of any of these mega churches ? do you go to church on sunday ?

butterflylion:


Who are the "you" who turned it into a religion? Me?

The church is not seen as where God dwells. God dwells in our hearts as his children. However the church is simply a gathering place for encouragement, comfort and direction.

If you thought the church was seen as Gods house then sorry o

sukkot:
you know ? oyedepo and oyakhilome and all the mega churches in nigeria lmao. are you not a member of any of these mega churches ? do you go to church on sunday ?