Jakeattah:


Its alright... I won't argue any further..
All I'm saying is that I haven't seen any fault with her messages and theology.. She speaks practical Christianity and for me that's sufficient.

As long as her message is sound and checks out. All other things are irrelevant.
Thank you once more sir

Okay.

chalantmike:
yhu don't, the average occultist can make yhur religious knowledge look very stupid, because they've transcended that realm of knowledge. an occultist, at least a real occultist is a scientist of nature, what that means is he works with knowledge of how the universe is, that include religion, depending on their upbringing, an occultist has very very very God theological knowledge of the bible or the Korean,in most cases both, he knows the Bible to the very skeleton, cause an occultist works with the bible,many occultic ritual were dug out n manufactured from the bible, that is why the real name of Christianity is neopagan religion, it means new age pagan religion.

the average Christian can not compete with that realm of knowledge, cause an occultist exist on the realm of logic and creativity, seriously an occultist will explain the bible for yhu like its 1 + 1,if he wants too.

simply put in a Christianity dimension an occultist is an individual "Christian" who bypass the holy spirit in other to access certain information, use certain spiritual laws.

depending on the background an occultist is actually a Christian.

for example an occultist believes that Christ died on the cross for the redemption of his sin, Christ also was risen on the third day etc. buh every fundamental truth a Christian believes an occultist believes in them too

"depending on the background, and speciality of the individual occultist".

but he/she will tell yhu his not a Christian because his not bounded by yhur laws and logic, he has transcended those laws,those Christian laws, he resonates above them.

and his 100% right, because the law is not what makes one a Christian, but by the confession of the mouth and believe in heart, that's what makes one a Christian.

Romans 10:10
For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

buh most Christian do not know that, its not the laws of right n wrong that makes on a Christian, they hear it,buh they don't know it.

and occultist does, cause he sees every loophole in the bible.

so bros, it would be very difficult to convince an occultist, very very difficult because by the spiritual law and in the realm of logic his higher than yhu, buh everything is not logic.

Reasonably written. I concur.

occult (adj.) Look up occult at Dictionary.com
1530s, "secret, not divulged," from Middle French occulte and directly from Latin occultus "hidden, concealed, secret," past participle of occulere "cover over, conceal," from assimilated form of ob "over" (see ob-) + a verb related to celare "to hide," from PIE root *kel- (1) "to cover, conceal, save." Meaning "not apprehended by the mind, beyond the range of understanding" is from 1540s. The association with the supernatural sciences (magic, alchemy, astrology, etc.) dates from 1630s.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=occultHe answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.



And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
Mark 4:11


He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Matt 13:11


Deuteronomy 29:29

"The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our sons forever, that we may observe all the words of this law.

Daniel 2:22

"It is He who reveals the profound and hidden things; He knows what is in the darkness, And the light dwells with Him.

Amos 3:7

Surely the Lord GOD does nothing Unless He reveals His secret counsel To His servants the prophets.

PastorAIO:
occult (adj.) Look up occult at Dictionary.com
1530s, "secret, not divulged," from Middle French occulte and directly from Latin occultus "hidden, concealed, secret," past participle of occulere "cover over, conceal," from assimilated form of ob "over" (see ob-) + a verb related to celare "to hide," from PIE root *kel- (1) "to cover, conceal, save." Meaning "not apprehended by the mind, beyond the range of understanding" is from 1540s.
The association with the supernatural sciences (magic, alchemy, astrology, etc.) dates from 1630s.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=occult


And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
Mark 4:11


He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Matt 13:11

Deuteronomy 29:29
"The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our sons forever, that we may observe all the words of this law.

Daniel 2:22
"It is He who reveals the profound and hidden things; He knows what is in the darkness, And the light dwells with Him.

Amos 3:7
Surely the Lord GOD does nothing Unless He reveals His secret counsel To His servants the prophets.

²⁰So Moses and Aaron did even as the LORD had commanded. And he lifted up the staff and struck the water that was in the Nile, in the sight of Pharaoh and in the sight of his servants, and all the water that was in the Nile was turned to blood.
²¹The fish that were in the Nile died, and the Nile became foul, so that the Egyptians could not drink water from the Nile. And the blood was through all the land of Egypt.
²²But the magicians of Egypt did the same with their secret arts; and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he did not listen to them, as the LORD had said.
- Exodus 2:20-22

Not all secrets come from God, as can be seen from the first of the signs and wonders in the land of Egypt, the magicians made an exact copy of

MuttleyLaff:
²⁰So Moses and Aaron did even as the LORD had commanded. And he lifted up the staff and struck the water that was in the Nile, in the sight of Pharaoh and in the sight of his servants, and all the water that was in the Nile was turned to blood.
²¹The fish that were in the Nile died, and the Nile became foul, so that the Egyptians could not drink water from the Nile. And the blood was through all the land of Egypt.
²²But the magicians of Egypt did the same with their secret arts; and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he did not listen to them, as the LORD had said.
- Exodus 2:20-22

Not all secrets come from God, as can be seen from the first of the signs and wonders in the land of Egypt, the magicians made an exact copy of

22And Moses was instructed in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and he was mighty in his words and deeds.

Act7: 22

stabilizer:
Do you think there is heaven nor hell? Wake up from your slumber bro. We are in the kingdom of both on earth. Some are currently in their hell while some are already in their heaven. Ask yourself the meaning of unquestionable joy and comfort

You contradicted yourself by acknowledging that,"some are already in either heaven or hell".

stabilizer:
Do you think there is heaven nor hell? Wake up from your slumber bro. We are in the kingdom of both on earth. Some are currently in their hell while some are already in their heaven. Ask yourself the meaning of unquestionable joy and comfort

You contradicted yourself and make nonsense of the mention by acknowledging that,"some are already in either heaven or hell".

PastorAIO:
And Moses was instructed in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and he was mighty in his words and deeds.
- Act 7:22

Solomon's wisdom was greater than the wisdom of all the people of the East,
and greater than all the wisdom of Egypt
- 1 Kings 4:30

The wisdom of the East and all wisdom of Egypt is no match for the wisdom that comes directly from God or that has God as the only source

MuttleyLaff:
Solomon's wisdom was greater than the wisdom of all the people of the East,
and greater than all the wisdom of Egypt
- 1 Kings 4:30

The wisdom of the East and all wisdom of Egypt is no match for the wisdom that comes directly from God or that has God as the only source

4For when Solomon was old his wives turned away his heart after other gods, and his heart was not wholly true to the Lord his God, as was the heart of David his father. 5For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. 6So Solomon did what was evil in the sight of the Lord and did not wholly follow the Lord, as David his father had done. 7Then Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the abomination of Moab, and for Molech the abomination of the Ammonites, on the mountain east of Jerusalem.

1Kings 11

PastorAIO:
⁴For when Solomon was old his wives turned away his heart after other gods,
and his heart was not wholly true to the Lord his God,
as was the heart of David his father.
⁵For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians,
and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.
⁶So Solomon did what was evil in the sight of the Lord
and did not wholly follow the Lord, as David his father had done.
⁷Then Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the abomination of Moab,
and for Molech the abomination of the Ammonites, on the mountain east of Jerusalem.
- 1 Kings 11:4-7

⁸And likewise did he for all his foreign wives, who burnt incense and sacrificed to their gods.
⁹And Yahweh was angry with Solomon,
because his heart was turned away from Yahweh,
the God of Israel, who had appeared to him twice,
- 1 Kings 11:8-9

What a tragedy...

MuttleyLaff:
⁸And likewise did he for all his foreign wives, who burnt incense and sacrificed to their gods.
⁹And Yahweh was angry with Solomon,
because his heart was turned away from Yahweh,
the God of Israel, who had appeared to him twice,
- 1 Kings 11:8-9

What a tragedy...

So much for all that great wisdom!!

PastorAIO:
So much for all that great wisdom!!

Exactly.
He starved his focus and fed the distractions
Change your priorities and you change your life.
It's that simple

MuttleyLaff:
Exactly.
He starved his focus and fed the distractions
Change your priorities and you change your life.
It's that simple

It's a great technique that you are obviously expert at.

You starve the focus and feed the distractions.

From Occultism and the fact that great parts of christianity are occult you jumped to Egypt and Moses. From Moses you jumped to Solomon. All the while adding nothing just distracting from the key subject of how to preach to Someone involved with the occult and sorcery.

Sorcery: The use of drugs and herbs for the curing of illness and in bringing about a change in mental state.


Sorcery in biblical greek is pharmakeía, from which we get the modern word Pharmacy. A pharmacist is therefore a witch.

There are christians that being aware of this fact refrain from the use of even panadol to relieve headache. They are aware that no where in the bible promotes the use of pharmacy (herbs etc) to cure sickness but only the use of Water. In fact the use of drugs is a sin. But how many christians are ready to test their faith like this.

PastorAIO:
It's a great technique that you are obviously expert at.

Please dont bother wasting sarcasms over someone who's careless of sarky comments

PastorAIO:
You starve the focus and feed the distractions.

We both know what "focus" and "distractions" means to each other

PastorAIO:
From Occultism and the fact that great parts of christianity are occult you jumped to Egypt and Moses.
From Moses you jumped to Solomon.

It's you who first jumped on to the Egypt and Moses bandwagon.
So yup, I made the counterpoint, that not all secrets come from God, as can be seen from the first of the signs and wonders in the land of Egypt, the magicians made an exact copy of

Then I made another counter-point, that, if, like you've pointed out, that Moses was instructed in all the wisdom of the Egyptians,
you failed noting that the combined wisdom of the East and all the wisdom of the Egyptians, is no match for the wisdom Solomon got,
which is wisdom that comes directly from God or that has God as the only source of it

PastorAIO:
All the while adding nothing just distracting from the key subject of how to preach to someone involved with the occult and sorcery

Never waste time trying to preach to those who cant admit that dabbling into occult and sorcery can be a slippery slope
Analice107, to a great extent, preached on this thread to someone involved with the occult and sorcery,
but after a long time, it became obvious she is whistling in the wind and preaching to the wrong choir

PastorAIO:
Sorcery: The use of drugs and herbs for the curing of illness and in bringing about a change in mental state.

That is one aspect of sorcery
What of the flip side?

PastorAIO:
Sorcery in biblical greek is pharmakeía, from which we get the modern word Pharmacy.
A pharmacist is therefore a witch.

SMH. Deductive fallacy

PastorAIO:
There are christians that being aware of this fact refrain from the use of even panadol to relieve headache.
They are aware that no where in the bible promotes the use of pharmacy (herbs etc) to cure sickness but only the use of Water.
In fact the use of drugs is a sin. But how many christians are ready to test their faith like this

Christians?
That term or word, totally is a misnomer
but that is not germane to the thread's title and original post

Truth decay, lies and misinformation
That is what happens, what people get, when they refuse to brush up on the bible themselves

OLAADEGBU:



Source: https://www.facebook.com/official.Ray.Comfort 7 September 2014 ·
www.livingwaters.com

Ouija board?

MuttleyLaff:
Please dont bother wasting sarcasms over someone who's careless of sarky comments

We both know what "focus" and "distractions" means to each other

It's you who first jumped on to the Egypt and Moses bandwagon.
So yup, I made the counterpoint, that not all secrets come from God, as can be seen from the first of the signs and wonders in the land of Egypt, the magicians made an exact copy of

Then I made another counter-point, that, if, like you've pointed out, that Moses was instructed in all the wisdom of the Egyptians,
you failed noting that the combined wisdom of the East and all the wisdom of the Egyptians, is no match for the wisdom Solomon got,
which is wisdom that comes directly from God or that has God as the only source of it

Never waste time trying to preach to those who cant admit that dabbling into occult and sorcery can be a slippery slope
Analice107, to a great extent, preached on this thread to someone involved with the occult and sorcery,
but after a long time, it became obvious she is whistling in the wind and preaching to the wrong choir

Brother, this is how i see it, these people have their consciences seared as with a hot iron, so no matter how one tries, it doesn't get into them, but we have to point out their errors for the world to see, hence, the ignorant may walk into sorcery believing they are serving God.

Satan has been having people worship him from the beginning, cunningly using the Bible as a base.

By God's grace, we will keep calling them out.

This Fake pastor is a New Age practitioner, but won't stop quoting from the Bible.

analice107:

Brother, this is how i see it, these people have their consciences seared as with a hot iron, so no matter how one tries, it doesn't get into them, but we have to point out their errors for the world to see, hence, the ignorant may walk into sorcery believing they are serving God.

Satan has been having people worship him from the beginning, cunningly using the Bible as a base.

By God's grace, we will keep calling them out.

This Fake pastor is a New Age practitioner, but won't stop quoting from the Bible.

fake pastor no send person... U knw its that same bible that make some nigerians to be easily decieved... Just imagine if u dont pay tithe and a sermon in church talks about the story of ananias and his wife ...abeg u no go pay

Samsimple:

fake pastor no send person... U knw its that same bible that make some nigerians to be easily decieved... Just imagine if u dont pay tithe and a sermon in church talks about the story of ananias and his wife ...abeg u no go pay

Sam, so to pay 10% of your income is a problem to you, but i didn't see you screaming down at an atheist who paid Melin 30k to do satanic rituals for him.

Hello Sam, pls don't pay your tithe you hear? God work go continue. Why does it even bother you people so much? It's my money, i'm not complaining, but this thing is paining you more than me why?

analice107:

Sam, so to pay 10% of your income is a problem to you, but i didn't see you screaming down at an atheist who paid Melin 30k to do satanic rituals for him.

Hello Sam, pls don't pay your tithe you hear? God work go continue. Why does it even bother you people so much? It's my money, i'm not complaining, but this thing is paining you more than me why?

uuuhhh oya wait oohh y do u call dem fake pastor at first ... And y are u focusing all ur word on me mo gbe?. Madam analice abeg if e don turn war sori oohh

Samsimple:

uuuhhh oya wait oohh y do u call dem fake pastor at first ... And y are u focusing all ur word on me mo gbe?. Madam analice abeg if e don turn war sori oohh

I won't fight with you. Tithe paying is not wrong. I never said it is.

MuttleyLaff:
That is one aspect of sorcery
What of the flip side?

SMH. Deductive fallacy

Christians?
That term or word, totally is a misnomer
but that is not germane to the thread's title and original post

Truth decay, lies and misinformation
That is what happens, what people get, when they refuse to brush up on the bible themselves

forgive I apologize in advance to everyone, buh nigga yhu are slowpoke better put are yhu a slowpoke.

pastorAIO gave yhu an exact fact, answer. what do yhu think chemistry is, why do yhu think the Catholics in ancient time outlawed the practice/study of science, dude modern day science is pure sorcery. from yhur biology to yhur mathematics, all sorcery.

MuttleyLaff:
That is one aspect of sorcery
What of the flip side?

SMH. Deductive fallacy

Christians?
That term or word, totally is a misnomer
but that is not germane to the thread's title and original post

Truth decay, lies and misinformation
That is what happens, what people get, when they refuse to brush up on the bible themselves

forgive I apologize in advance to everyone, buh nigga yhu are slowpoke better put are yhu a slowpoke, why is it that when one tells yhu Christians the truth that does not settle with yhu, yhu cone up on biblical issue.

pastorAIO gave yhu an exact fact, answer. what do yhu think chemistry is, why do yhu think the Catholics in ancient time outlawed the practice/study of science, dude modern day science is pure sorcery. from yhur biology to yhur mathematics, all sorcery.

MuttleyLaff:
Please dont bother wasting sarcasms over someone who's careless of sarky comments

We both know what "focus" and "distractions" means to each other

It's you who first jumped on to the Egypt and Moses bandwagon.
So yup, I made the counterpoint, that not all secrets come from God, as can be seen from the first of the signs and wonders in the land of Egypt, the magicians made an exact copy of

Then I made another counter-point, that, if, like you've pointed out, that Moses was instructed in all the wisdom of the Egyptians,
you failed noting that the combined wisdom of the East and all the wisdom of the Egyptians, is no match for the wisdom Solomon got,
which is wisdom that comes directly from God or that has God as the only source of it

Never waste time trying to preach to those who cant admit that dabbling into occult and sorcery can be a slippery slope
Analice107, to a great extent, preached on this thread to someone involved with the occult and sorcery,
but after a long time, it became obvious she is whistling in the wind and preaching to the wrong choir

I was going to leave this thread since my point has already been established buh then someone e yhu had to comment.

Yhu keep quoting how moses floored the Egyptians becausebecause their knowledge was not from God or something.

Do yhu know that moses father in-law was a high priest to deity, do yhu know that moses seemed council from Jethro on how to govern the children of Israel. Do yhu know who gave moses the staff, the rod he held.

Exodus 2:18.
Exodus 18:1-27

Yhu Christians like to get on a high horse that feeling of entitlement fighting over who gets to sit on daddies lap, yhurz is right everyone else's is wrong blah blah blah. Yhur God is not as narrow minded as yhu are, he has worked with many would/close to occultist in the bible n never faulted those individuals.

As in the case of Balaam, Balaam was not punished for his method or way of approaching God which was purely occultic, he punished for his disobedience.
Numbers 22 - 24.

2 Kings 3:27
Read that.

Its a tree ,it has always been a tree, the branches is not the problem, it is the practitioner that problem lies with, modern day occultic way heavily acknowledge and owe a big thank yhu to Solomon. Do yhu know why, do yhu know how Solomon was able to access certain knowledge and know what he knew, do yhu remember the religion of his wives their sacrifices that he partook in, the foreign merchants he interacted with.

Know this God promised Solomon knowledge ,wisdom and understanding, he didn't say how. That's cause God was smart .

Too much talk.
You guys are derailing the thread.

chalantmike:
forgive I apologize in advance to everyone,
buh nigga yhu are slowpoke better put are yhu a slowpoke.

The adjective suits you more than anyone else

chalantmike:
pastorAIO gave yhu an exact fact, answer

So?

chalantmike:
what do yhu think chemistry is,
why do yhu think the Catholics in ancient time outlawed the practice/study of science,
dude modern day science is pure sorcery.
from yhur biology to yhur mathematics, all sorcery

MuttleyLaff:
First of all, what if you're told, there is negative "sorcery" and there is positive "sorcery"

Now, there is a sharp distinction, which is very simple, between each

That is, negative "sorcery" is any activity that bypasses God’s wisdom and power
and the source is usually attributed to mytical gods and/or Satan instead.
Also most purveyors of this brand of sorcery have no great pride in Yeshua Ha Maisaich aka Jesus Christ
or hardly have any pleasure in acknowledging His divinity

Did I have to really quote myself
in order to show you're constipated with ignorance & barking up against the wrong tree

chalantmike:
I was going to leave this thread since my point has already been established buh then someone e yhu had to comment

We have a crusader
There wasnt any established point in your post, it must have been a mote point then

chalantmike:
Yhu keep quoting how moses floored the Egyptians because their knowledge was not from God or something

But it is true now, isnt it

chalantmike:
Do yhu know that moses father in-law was a high priest to deity, do yhu know that moses seemed council from Jethro on how to govern the children of Israel. Do yhu know who gave moses the staff, the rod he held

Are you shocked or surprised at that?
What is the Deity's name?
What is Moses' father in-law personal name and what does it mean?

chalantmike:
Exodus 2:18
Exodus 18:1-27

Exodus 18:1; Exodus 18:7; Exodus 18:9; Exodus 18:10; Exodus 18:12
Do you know the name of the other person mentioned in the bible,
that had the kind of relationship Moses'father in-law shared with God?
Tell if you do

chalantmike:
Yhu Christians like to get on a high horse that feeling of entitlement fighting over who gets to sit on daddies lap,
yhurz is right everyone else's is wrong blah blah blah.
Yhur God is not as narrow minded as yhu are,
he has worked with many would/close to occultist in the bible n never faulted those individuals

Let Christians speak for themselves
I am not holding brief for Christians

chalantmike:
As in the case of Balaam, Balaam was not punished for his method or way of approaching God which was purely occultic

By now Balaam realized that the LORD was determined to bless Israel,
so he did not resort to divination as before.
Instead, he turned and looked out toward the wilderness
- Numbers 24:1

SMH, forgive, I apologize in advance to everyone, you are another one, more confused than a chameleon in a bag of skittles

chalantmike:
he punished for his disobedience. Numbers 22 - 24

Balak's messengers, who were elders of Moab and Midian,
taking with them the fee for divination,
set out with money to pay Balaam to place a curse upon Israel.
They went to Balaam and delivered Balak's message to him
- Numbers 22:7

All five of the Midianite kings--Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba--died in the battle.
They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword
- Numbers 31:8

So, people who think they are standing firmly should be careful that they don't fall
- 1 Corinthians 10:12

I am not going to be bothered with bringing in Numbers 22:21-35 nor mention Joshua 24:9-10
suffice to say, Balaam was not punished for his disobedience,
he was punished by greed and his disobedience
Oh oh, never mind, you'll soon slowly but surely begin to get it

chalantmike:
2 Kings 3:27
Read that.

SMH, whats to read in 2 Kings 3:27?

chalantmike:
Its a tree, it has always been a tree, the branches is not the problem,
it is the practitioner that problem lies with

"¹I am the true vine, and My Father is the keeper of the vineyard.
²He cuts off every branch in Me that bears no fruit,
and every branch that does bear fruit,
He prunes to make it even more fruitful.
⁵Yes, I am the vine; you are the branches.
Those who remain in me, and I in them, will produce much fruit.
For apart from me you can do nothing
- John 15:1-2; 5

You say "the branches is not the problem",
but how cant you see that, the branches are the farking problems brother

chalantmike:
modern day occultic way heavily acknowledge and owe a big thank yhu to Solomon.
Do yhu know why, do yhu know how Solomon was able to access certain knowledge and know what he knew,
do yhu remember the religion of his wives their sacrifices that he partook in, the foreign merchants he interacted with.
Know this God promised Solomon knowledge, wisdom and understanding, he didn't say how. That's cause God was smart .
Too much talk.

There I go again, I was expecting to read something serious or worthwhile
Now, you owe me my time back, wasted, on reading this piece of garbage and crummy post

chalantmike:
You guys are derailing the thread

Yes, you are, derailing the thread, with your increasingly comical and repulsive evidence(s) of confused thinking

chalantmike:

Yhu keep quoting how moses floored the Egyptians because their knowledge was not from God or something.

Jethro was a High to what deity? And, even if he were, in Jethro's time, Yahweh was not known to them, so everyone worshiped satan.[/quote]

When you talk about Moses seeking counsel from Jethro, that wasn't true, Jethro visited and saw how Moses was encumbered with the running of the camp alone, he gave a wise and an elderly counsel to Moses. It doesn't take a satanist to know that in that circumstance Moses needed help.

And, when i read through that, i didn't see the god of Jethro anointing the men Moses chose to run the camp with him, i saw Yahweh doing that.
so, pls stop making things look like satan has a hand in running God's business.

chalantmike:

Its a tree ,it has always been a tree, the branches is not the problem, it is the practitioner that problem lies with, modern day occultic way heavily acknowledge and owe a big thank yhu to Solomon. Do yhu know why, do yhu know how Solomon was able to access certain knowledge and know what he knew, do yhu remember the religion of his wives their sacrifices that he partook in, the foreign merchants he interacted with.

You mean the Occult saw Solomon's wisdom so profound and they believed it must be from satan right? Jesus Christ is the wisdom of God, is he also a satanist?

Talking about Solomon and his wives, you may do well to know that Solomon said he did what he did on purpose, and when he found everything meaningless, he returned to Yahweh with tears and repentance.

You told me here that you guys bypass the Holy Spirit to manipulate the word of God to work for you, do you think that you who do not have the Holy Spirit can have the same wisdom with him who do?

The wisdom in Moses, Solomon, Daniel was the same wisdom of Christ.

chalantmike:


Do yhu know that moses father in-law was a high priest to deity, do yhu know that moses seemed council from Jethro on how to govern the children of Israel. Do yhu know who gave moses the staff, the rod he held.

Wow, these Occult people will turn everything to occultism. So every Shepherd staff is an occultic symbol? Moses was 40 years old when he went to Jethro, are you seriously saying that Moses couldn't get a staff to shepherd the sheep under his care?
plissssssssss.

chalantmike:

Yhu Christians like to get on a high horse that feeling of entitlement fighting over who gets to sit on daddies lap, yhurz is right everyone else's is wrong blah blah blah. Yhur God is not as narrow minded as yhu are, he has worked with many would/close to occultist in the bible n never faulted those individuals.

We Christians are not fighting over anything. You said here that why do should you the occult need the holy Spirit when you can bypass him? Jehovah does his things the way he does them, you either accept them like that or go your way and you have gone your way. So don't jealous us.

Pls stop believing Satan's lies. Occultist work for satan and disobey God, it is very ridiculous to even say Yahweh worked with the Occult in the Bible.

analice107:
Jethro was a High to what deity? And, even if he were, in Jethro's time, Yahweh was not known to them, so everyone worshiped satan.

When you talk about Moses seeking counsel from Jethro, that wasn't true, Jethro visited and saw how Moses was encumbered with the running of the camp alone, he gave a wise and an elderly counsel to Moses. It doesn't take a satanist to know that in that circumstance Moses needed help.

And, when i read through that, i didn't see the god of Jethro anointing the men Moses chose to run the camp with him, i saw Yahweh doing that.
so, pls stop making things look like satan has a hand in running God's business

He must think Moses is losing it
Just let him tell what Jethro's personal name is and what it means
Also to mention who was the other person in the Bible, way before Moses, God identified Jethro's personal name with

The premise of the thread is in itself quite false. Every religion be it Judaism, Christianity, Islam or Buddhism has its Occult or hidden aspect. These are aspects that were hidden from the laity and practised solely by the High or Chief Priests of the various religions in furtherance of their duties.

Judaism has its Qabalah, Islam gave the world Luma’at al-nuraniyya a compendium of the 99 names of God and their uses as well as geomantic tablets and dice. The western system of magic is rooted mostly in Christianity, Judaism as well as Pythagorean systems. The Buddhists have possibly the most effective form of magic that exists.

Christians may argue that their sorcerous wonders are attributes of their God but all other religions make the same claim. At worst it is a collective delusion, at best it is little more than an argument amongst religionists of the type; my God is bigger and better. Every religion harnessed the attributes of the Divine as best as they understood it, codified them into a magical system and jealously guarded their knowledge.

Finally this attribution of the occult and sorcery to Satan is really quite flattering to him. There are no discernible occult systems or authentic Grimoires of magical/ sorcerous practice attributable to him. Judaism disavowed any form of a Satan as an opposing force to God. What exists is a global followership by Christians of their bogeyman and a cult followership by neo-Satanists who are capitalising on the deification of Satan by Christians as a sort of anti-ethical Jesus in the first place.

MuttleyLaff:
He must think Moses is losing it
Just let him tell what Jethro's personal name is and what it means
Also to mention who was the other person in the Bible, way before Moses, God identified Jethro's personal name with

Yeah, Let's wait.

MuttleyLaff:
We have a crusader
There wasnt any established point in your post, it must have been a mote point then

But it is true now, isnt it

Are you shocked or surprised at that?
What is the Deity's name?
What is Moses' father in-law personal name and what does it mean?

Exodus 18:1; Exodus 18:7; Exodus 18:9; Exodus 18:10; Exodus 18:12
Do you know the name of the other person mentioned in the bible,
that had the kind of relationship Moses'father in-law shared with God?
Tell if you do

Let Christians speak for themselves
I am not holding brief for Christians

By now Balaam realized that the LORD was determined to bless Israel,
so he did not resort to divination as before.
Instead, he turned and looked out toward the wilderness
- Numbers 24:1

SMH, forgive, I apologize in advance to everyone, you are another one, more confused than a chameleon in a bag of skittles

Balak's messengers, who were elders of Moab and Midian,
taking with them the fee for divination,
set out with money to pay Balaam to place a curse upon Israel.
They went to Balaam and delivered Balak's message to him
- Numbers 22:7

All five of the Midianite kings--Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba--died in the battle.
They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword
- Numbers 31:8

So, people who think they are standing firmly should be careful that they don't fall
- 1 Corinthians 10:12

I am not going to be bothered with bringing in Numbers 22:21-35 nor mention Joshua 24:9-10
suffice to say, Balaam was not punished for his disobedience,
he was punished by greed and his disobedience
Oh oh, never mind, you'll soon slowly but surely begin to get it

SMH, whats to read in 2 Kings 3:27?

"¹I am the true vine, and My Father is the keeper of the vineyard.
²He cuts off every branch in Me that bears no fruit,
and every branch that does bear fruit,
He prunes to make it even more fruitful.
⁵Yes, I am the vine; you are the branches.
Those who remain in me, and I in them, will produce much fruit.
For apart from me you can do nothing
- John 15:1-2; 5

You say "the branches is not the problem",
but how cant you see that, the branches are the farking problems brother

There I go again, I was expecting to read something serious or worthwhile
Now, you owe me my time back, wasted, on reading this piece of garbage and crummy post

Yes, you are, derailing the thread, with your increasingly comical and repulsive evidence(s) of confused thinking

Really don't know how yhu guys do this quoting in blocks, am sure yhu should be able to pick where it belongs.

Yhur asking a question yhu already know the answer too, his not called the Abrahamic God, the God of Abraham out of cushion. No race/ nation served him, yhu Jethro was not a high priest of God and yhu know, if he were he would have been mention, if the name of Jethro's deity was important am or Jethro had affiliation with the isreal am sure the writers of the bible wouldn't skip it, am pretty sure narrow minded finatics like yhu skipped the name of that deity so as to avoid situations like this that does not favour yhur debate.

Jethro was not a high priest of Yahweh. Simple he had his own deity .


Nigga yhu don't want my point to sink in abi, Balaam's method was not the problem stopping quoting n dancing around cause yhu don't want to admit,

Did Yahweh rebuke Balaam for his method, divination etc, did God reject Balaam cause of who he is or how he chose to approach God, did God kill Balaam or allow Balaam to get killed because of his an occultist or is it because of his disobedience and greed.

Dude, am already getting workup its right there before yhur eyes yhu don't want to admit it. Yahweh knew who Balaam was yet he still revel his intention to him, Balaam's error was thinking he could bribe Yahweh the way he would normal bribe or appease other deity with blood of animals and shit.

I once engaged in an argument n I made sure to point to them, when yhu working with any deity, yhu never 100% sure of what yhu hear, or read by divination or omen, yhu act base on instruction and sheer faith.
Putting myself in Balaam's shoes let's assume that its the first time Balaam is interacting with the deity Yahweh, there should be a place for loophole, manipulate, bribe,appease after all he has done it before with other deities why should this Yahweh deity be different. Am sure that is what he thought and he paid the price for it.

My point Balaam was not faulted for his way or approach to the tree.

Get some sense
am not even demonstrating outside ur bible, what would now happen if I decide to quote other vias.

Are yhu taking Jesus litrally , don't yhu know he like to speak in parable or context ?

Is a vine a tree or a plant ?

Do plants have branches?.

Would it have been appropriate to call himself the true sourch here, a tree?.

Vine keeper is likely to caretaker here in this context?.

Whenever yhu are ready don't just read, ask yhur self questions like what is this shit trying to say, especially when it comes to Jesus cause his very sneaky with words and like to show his wise and likes to talk like his talking to 10yr olds not adults.

Dude in context his trying to demonstrate cutting off of sinner, removing God outside of the box, instead of inside, abi who is going to cut off sinners or anyone not bearing fruit ,is it him, if he had been the branch, or God if had been the tree in this context, finally who was going to set them ablaze.

Vines don't have branches they av stems.

Before yhu start quoting that "I am the way" verse.
Yhur Jesus never said he was the only way, and with regards to his target audience his the only way to the father. Dude Balaam was able to reach Yahweh and get his intentions by divination, buh he could not change his intention. So Jesus is not the only way to God.




“vine” is a plant whose stems require support. It either climbs up a tree or other structure, or it sprawls over the ground. Vines can climb with tendrils or with other “grasping” appendages, or by coiling their stems

Now as to the meaning of the name Jethro, in Hebrew it means "Abundance, excellence" Abundance is most approximate word. According to the bible it means "His Excellence" ,this one is kind of wrong if yhu want to be strict ,buh also correct

Can't be giving long stories buh it seems Jethro is a title not a name , especially in the way it was used anyway.

Reuel,that should be his name ,it means "friend of God".
Friend ooh not worshiper. The story Jethro still proves my point yhur can follow whatever branch yhu decide and still work with Yahweh, as long as yhur not an enemy, or misuse shit.

The Egyptians failed cause they were opposing side of things a God that they would have worked with,they choose to fight.
Balaam chose to bribe rather than obey, and they both paid the price.
Forget Yahweh even in Real life when a deity says something there isn't always a back door.

On judgement day Christianity is not cup that would be used to measure out to all individuals, that would be stupid, but what the Bleep did yhu do while yhu were Alice, what did yhu do with yhur life.

So let's stop derailing the poor thread.